The Hungarian extreme right in its own voice

László Szarka, commenting on this blog, couldn't have picked a better time to espouse his views because his post enables me to expand a bit on what Tibor Závecz, researcher for Szonda Ipsos, said in his brief interview about the Hungarian extreme right.

Szarka's ideas are typical of this group of extreme nationalists. First and foremost, his post is dripping with self-pity. Every nation of the former Soviet bloc with the notable exception of Hungary got everything it ever wanted. The Hungarians are still suffering. In fact, as Szarka himself intimates, the communists have remained in power in Hungary with the full support of the United States. For good measure he mentions Europe as well, but this is a later addition to the original conspiracy theory called the Pact of Rózsadomb (Hill of the Roses, perhaps the plushest district in Buda). According to this urban legend, on March 15, 1989 (according to another version on March 15, 1991) there was a secret meeting in one of the villas of the Rózsadomb of the general of the Soviet army that occupied Hungary, a colonel of the KGB, the first secretary of the United States Embassy, an officer of the CIA, a representative of Mossad, and representatives of the Catholic church and the Jewish community. They agreed that in exchange for the withdrawal of Soviet troops, they would retard the development of Hungarian democracy and the country's economic well-being. The document, consisting of twenty points, was signed by József Antall (MDF), Gyula Horn (MSZP), Iván Pető (SZDSZ), László Paskai (head of the Hungarian Catholic Church), Árpád Göncz (SZDSZ, later president of the republic), Gusztáv Zoltai (Jewish community) and Péter Boross (MDF). Without going into the details of the contents of this alleged document, it's enough to mention a few salient points. The national wealth would be passed into the hands of the communists, former communist party members wouldn't be punished, trusted communists would be smuggled into other parties, anti-Semitic propaganda would be forbidden, far-right parties wouldn't be allowed to function, friendship with the Soviet Union would be the lynchpin of foreign policy, and so on and so forth.

Szarka then moves on to "Magyars are oppressed again." The choice of words is telling. Not the people, not the population is oppressed; the "Magyars" are oppressed. And who are the oppressors? Surely, the non-Magyars. In plain language: the Jews.These people are not only not Hungarians but they are members of a criminal underworld. (When one hears the details of Hír TV's two young reporters and their activities one wonders who belongs to a criminal underworld. But breaking into the computers of the MSZP ad agency before the elections by members of the Fidesz campaign staff was a precedent for bad behavior.)

Then comes a predictable addendum to an age-old story. The only true Hungarians are those who refuse to accept the Treaty of Trianon. Eighty years after the ratification of the Treaty of Trianon Hungary has managed relatively well considering the huge territorial losses. It is true that economic growth never reached the pre-1914 level, but the successor states of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy all suffered economically as a result of the loss of a large common market and the high tariff barriers each of these countries erected against the others.

Let's go back to Szarka's first claim: "every nation got what they wanted, except Hungary." Hmm! I haven't heard that Poland got back the territories it lost in 1939 as a result of the Soviet occupation. The Poles fought throughout the war (Home Army) alongside the Allies, and yet the best they could get was some compensation on the western border at the expense of Germany. I haven't heard that the East Germans (Prussians) got back East Prussia or Königsberg. I haven't heard that the Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians managed to expel all those Russians who settled in the Baltic States after 1939. That's nonsense too, isn't it, Mr. Szarka?

As for the oppression of Brussels and Washington. We all know about the billions of euros Hungary has received as a result of the so-called convergence program. You know, Mr. Szarka, what "convergence" means? It means that the wicked West wants Hungary to raise the standard of living of the Hungarian people to the level of the more developed western part of the European Union. That's the oppression of Brussels. As for the oppression of Washington: American capital played a pivotal role in the early 1990s in building up modern industrial capacity (General Electric, for example) in place of a collapsed Hungarian industry that couldn't produce anything that could be sold outside of the Soviet bloc. There was no Hungarian capital that could jump start the economy; there was only debt.

Luckily those people who are running the country have a different worldview from Mr. Szarka and his fellow Hungarists. They know that Hungary's ruin would be the kind of political and economic future the Hungarists have in mind. These people's problem is that they know so little about the world in general. History? Economics? Globalization? Competition? No, their most important consideration is national symbols. One cannot eat national symbols. I hear turul meat is very tough, and there are not too many turuls in the first place. And please don't dare utter "1956." It really offends me. And when you read the rantings of Mr. Szarka, think about it: there are 799,999 more like him.

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Lia
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http://www.realdeal.hu/20080603/survey-shows-hungarian-employees-still-think-working-stinks It seems Hungarians are always looking for a scapegoat and aren’t willing to do the hard work on their own. It’s always someone else’s fault that Hungary lags behind the other nations in Europe, when in fact, Hungarians should take a cold, hard look in the mirror. I immediately thought of the story I linked here when I read this post. It’s time for the Hungarians to get off their cans, go to work, and stop whining! And here’s the money quote: “At the same time, the incidence of sick leave is much higher in Hungary, with an average absentee rate of 26 days per year, compared to only 14 days in the Czech Republic, 9.4 days in Slovakia and a mere 3.5 days in Romania.” Hungarians are quick to look down on an ‘dis’ especially the Slovaks and the Romanians — at least THEY go to work and are trying to build futures for themselves. But Mr. Szarka would probably claim it’s because they ‘got everything’ and the Magyars got nothing.

Odin's lost eye
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Professor, You know what sticklers the U.S. are for record keeping and their ‘Freedom of Information Act. It might be interesting if you could ask the U.S. Government about ‘Pact of Rózsadomb’. As none of my folk were involved there is no point in me going to the U.K. Public records office. The assemblage quoted as being there just does not ‘gybe’. Mr László Szarka I do not know who you are, what you are, or what weird chemical cocktail you are on (and I do not think I want to). Your imagination would do credit to a writer of ‘fairy tales’. I personally think that your ‘long suite’ is stupidity I will allow you that ‘Greater Hungary’ existed only as an administrative part of the Austro Hungarian Empire. It was a polyglot assemblage of disparate peoples. In return for this will you allow me to hold that peoples have the right to ‘self-determination’? In the main that is what the Treaty of Trianon managed to do. Mind you the whole thing was well and truly messed up by a Hungarian one Bela Kun amongst others. His intervention prevented amicable ‘re-adjustments’ in population, which could have occurred. Hungary is now… Read more »
Eva S. Balogh
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Lia: “It’s time for the Hungarians to get off their cans, go to work, and stop whining!”
Yesterday a manager phoned György Bolgár and told an unbelievable story: his firm interviewed 500 people for white-collar jobs with the initial salary of 200-250,000 forints with the promise of possible half a million after six months. They managed to hire two. The others complained that it would mean too much work or too much travel, or too much God knows what. They were not eager. That’s for sure.

Eva S. Balogh
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Odin: “The assemblage quoted as being there just does not ‘gybe’.”
The meeting never took place. The document somebody produced and an American-Hungarian organization, Hungarian Loby, published on its webside was a forgery. Head of Hungarian Loby, Béla Lipták, had to apologize.

Lia
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Eva — there are many such stories as the one relayed on Bolgar’s show. The manager of a very successful cheese/delicatessen in Buda complained to me that girls hired to work behind the counter don’t come back after the first day on the job, complaining that it’s ‘too hard.’ What, pray tell, were these people thinking when they went to kereskedelmi szakkozepiskola, to learn to work exactly such a job?!? Similarly, my hairdresser told me that their successful salon was unable to fill a kozmetikus job for many, many months, because applicants either 1) didn’t show up for the first day of work 2) asked for TWO WEEKS to think about taking the job and 3) left after the first week on the job. Hungarians are extremely non-competitive and don’t believe they need to work hard to get ahead. At the same time, my experience with white collar Transylvanians has been the exact opposite: they work harder than the average Hungarian, and seem to be genetically coded to learn languages fast and easy without ever having living abroad. Also, they do not WHINE.

Laszlo Szarka
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You are ALL strangers,and understand NOTHING about us.So you have no rights WHATSOEVER to interfere our National life.In the other world;MIND YOUR OWN BUSSINES.We are do not interesting in youyr opinion at all.We don’t go to any country to tell them what they supposed to do.I fopud in the first letter only two honest word;”the jews”.Everything else is a propagande LIE.You talking about self-determination.We have that right too,if you don’t mind.Anyway,the killer Bela Kun was the JEW,just like the other killers in Eastonia and the other place.Bela Kohn shout to death about 20 thousand white russian to the Sea.That’s why Stalin executed him in the Ljubljanka jail.But that was only one bloodthirsty jew.For example the “Butcher of Barcelona” Gero,Mano Roth,Auspitz Beno etc.Enough is enough!Don’t try to lie about history,because you are all together do not match with me.And get out of our life!We never sent any of you the invitation card.Our life is our life and I don’t let any of you to interfere.I don’t care your opinion at all!We are what we are,so go to hell and you don’t have to know about us.Oh yeas!We are very good when you robbed our country.Go in the hell!We don’t want you… Read more »
Laszlo Szarka
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Oh by the way you western bastards!Where have you been when we fought against the Soviet Union in ’56???You are nothing,but a yellow western two faces infamous thieves!When the coast got clear you are ALL crowded in Hungary to STEAL!Go to hell!Get out of our life!We don’t need you at all.We gonna have a good life after we hang the bolshevik traitors and criminals.Which is keep in the power BY THE WEST!You think we are dumb??You think we are blind?Go to hell!Get out of our state!Laszlo Szarka

Eva S. Balogh
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Szarka: “Go to hell!Get out of our state!Laszlo Szarka”
And I suggest to you something else. Leave the United States and go back to Hungary. There you can fight along with your fellow nazis.

Lia
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You mean to tell me this Szar-ka is sitting in the U.S.? Ahhhhh, yes, my favorite kind of ‘Hungarian.’ The kind that is ‘fighting on behalf of the Hungarian nation’ from his den in suburban America. Perfect.

Eva S. Balogh
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Lia: “You mean to tell me this Szar-ka is sitting in the U.S.?”
Can you imagine? In Tuscon, Arizona. Apparently since 1956 and that’s why his English is so good. Smiley, of course.

Laszlo Szarka
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Am I nazi?So what?Na es?I’m not bigger Nazi than any jewish,or vlahs,or toths,or russian etc.I found the nazis in the US too.Don’t you worried about me.As soon as all strangers leave Hungary,then I gonna leave the US.I hope that was a good english.So where have you been,when we fought against the bastards in ’56?You yellow thieves westerns!
Laszlo Szarka

Laszlo Szarka
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How dare you telling me what to do?What do you think you are??I know already what you are.Far right-wing anthungaryan racist nazis!
Laszlo Szarka

GDF
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Lia: “At the same time, my experience with white collar Transylvanians has been the exact opposite: they work harder than the average Hungarian, and seem to be genetically coded to learn languages fast and easy without ever having living abroad.”
There is no genetic code involved. It is simply the fact that they grow up speaking at least two languages (Hungarian and Romanian), many of them learn one more in high school. And I can tell you (even from my own experience) that this makes it much easier to learn another language. Also, when in a foreign country, most Hungarians from Transylvania loose their Hungarian accent much faster than those form Hungary.

dumneazu
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The spectacle of the psychopathic Hungarian right wing pooping on the history of the 1956 rebellion is nothing new. A few years back Mecs Imre (one of those condemned to death alongside Nagy Imre – and subsequently the “keeper of the flame” as regards the location of the secret mass grave of 1956 leaders) was insulted and hooted at as he attempted to commemorate the 1956 heroes at their gravesite on October 23.
The Magyar far right calling their detractors “Nazis” is just too rich for words. There are millions of moral, unprejudiced, hard working Magyars in Hungary: the hard-core rightist losers seem to feel the need to steal the spotlight from their efforts to realize the benefits of EU membership by dragging Hungarian history through the mud of their own paranoia.

Laszlo Szarka
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If we are that bad,why don’t go to the hell,far away from us?Your attitude is just as nazi as your cionist leaders,You do nothing but blame magyars in public.Menjetek a picsaba es felejtsetek el bennunket!Csak a penzunk jo mi?
Laszlo Szarka

GDF
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Odin’s lost eye: “I see no large influx of Hungarians from Transylvania.”
Actually there is a significant outflux or Hungarians from Transylvania to Hungary. Without it the population of Hungary would decrease even faster. There are multiple reasons for this, the main one being the higher wages. About 30% of the total Romanian workforce (not just Hungarians) is abroad, looking for bigger pay, and it is much easier for the Hungarians to go to a country with a known language. However, I know Hungarians from Transylvania who work in Italy…
By the way, now there is a shortage of workers in Romania, and people from the border region in Hungary (a region that is economically depressed) are being recruited to commute to Romanian factories. Sic transit glora mundi.

GDF
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“Sic transit glora mundi.”
Sorry, I meant to say gloria, not glora.

Lia
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GDF: I was kind of kidding about the genetic coding thing, I didn’t mean it seriously…but thanks for the explanation! As for Mr. Szar-ka: his comments are so typical of the suburban Hungarian-American warrior. Telling the westerners to leave ‘his’ country (which he apparently left in 1956). And he can’t return to Hungary until we leave. Very rich. I just wonder what he’d be coming back to if we Westerners wouldn’t have come to Hungary in 1990 to rebuild the Hungarian economy from the bottom up, with FDI, skills, tourism, etc. What a buffoon. I’d love to know how many jobs Mr. Szar-ka has created in Hungary, how much he has paid in taxes in Hungary, and how much of his own money he has invested here. Na?

[sic]
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@Szarka:
‘Sokat akar a Szarka, de nem bírja a farka.’
You must have this quoted to you constantly.

Odin's lost eye
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@ Mr Szarka I will not even consider using basic Anglo-Saxon to reply to you. To paraphrase Mark Twain “I will not be attending your funeral, but I will send a nice letter saying that I approve of it.” You are simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up. So Mr Szarka “GO FORTH! And MULTIPLY”! @ Mr Dumneazu ‘Muzletoff!’ (it is Yiddish and should annoy Mr Szarka. It means ‘Cheers’). You are indeed correct. It is ‘rat-bags’ like Mr Szarka who have given the centre right in Hungary a very bad name. This leaves the true democratic centre right with a big problem. This is how to vote. If the good and true do not vote, this allows the bad and faithless to assume the power they so crave and will abuse. @ Ms Lia and Mr Dumneazu There is actually something rather strange about the genetics of the Hungarian people. I have noticed that frequency of Left Handed people is much larger than I would have expected. This is based on my experience of the rest of Europe. Have a look for your selves and I think you will agree with me. It doesn’t mean very… Read more »
GDF
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Odin’s lost eye: “It is ‘rat-bags’ like Mr Szarka who have given the centre right in Hungary a very bad name.”
I disagree. It is the center right that acquired a very bad name by including in its ranks the far right movement.
From a political point of view it has its advantages, after all it brings in hundreds of thousands of extra votes and according to many, a victory in the next elections.
But, as far as I am concerned, the so called center right in Hungary ceased to exist with this move, they became a much larger far right.

Odin's lost eye
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GDF you write
“Actually there is a significant outflux or Hungarians from Transylvania to Hungary. Without it the population of Hungary would decrease even faster”
I am sorry I did not notice this. Do you mean to tell me that the Hungarian is too lazy to even multiply? The TV is dreadful, so what do they do with their time?

GDF
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Odin’s lost eye: ” The movement of peoples in the labour market is exactly what the EU wants. Instead of having to recruit the best from the underdeveloped world, thus depriving them of a much-needed resource, peoples in the EU can move to where the work is or vice-versa (if the taxation regime is right). If it is a bike ride across a like drawn on a map that is better still. When Hungary, Poland, etc joined the EU, the ‘old members’ put up barriers to economic migration. This was done, in part, to try to keep the skilled manpower resources where they were most needed to help the new entrants develop. Ok a ‘bin-man’ in the UK could earn three times more than an engineer in Hungary, but what a waste of an engineer. Part of the problem for employees in this country lies in the past. You know the kind of thing ‘we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us’. The kind professor who is our hostesses for this Blog has brought this problem up several times. What can we (all of us) do about it? This malaise used to some extent affect the Irish Republic. It… Read more »
GDF
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Odin’s lost eye: “I am sorry I did not notice this [population decline]. Do you mean to tell me that the Hungarian is too lazy to even multiply? The TV is dreadful, so what do they do with their time?”
I don’t think it’s a question of laziness. It is just part of the general trend of the developed countries. There are many theories about its causes. I suggest you take a look at this website:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline#By_specific_countries.

Odin's lost eye
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GDF
I am sorry there is no way I can transmit the irony in my voice when I wrote about ‘laziness’.
I wish could give you my e-mail address as would love to talk engineering

Laszlo Szarka
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It doesn’t matter what you say.I never lie.And everything I say,I can prove.The articles what you published here is wothless.For several reason.
1.) Your lie is came from your cionist wiev.Wichh is antihuman,anticulture.Simply THE lie.The cionist divided the Nations of this right-left-center BS.Only question is;Nationalist,or traitor?If somebody goes against his/her own family is the traitor.That simple is.The cionist make it looks complicated for brainwashed the peoples and turn them against their own family/nation/.So you guys can fishing in your own sewer system.In the Human History the Nations in the ancien times disguist and feared the jewish.Nebukonodozor made a historic mistake,when He took the jewish/GAZ HABIRU/ to Babilon.If He did not do it,the Human Race leave in peace today.Becaus they stole the TUDAS from our ancestors.
Laszlo Szarka.

Laszlo Szarka
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That’s a jewish-cionist “democracy” hmmmm?Just as I expected.Szarka

Laszlo Szarka
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Hello sic!I never thought you have that much experience about my “farkam”.Probably you started in your chiledhood,that’s why you wrote that genius chiled verse.By the way!Do you have Oidipus komplex?I suspect you do.
Laszlo Szarka

[sic]
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@Magpie:
My mistake, that should have been ‘Szar-ka’.