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John G
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Quite an interesting demonstration. With a turn out estimated variously as 8-15 thousand it was not as large as expected but quite respectable. Your 2 pictures do not show the most interesting aspect of this demonstration, that it was attended by senior citizens in equal numbers with the young one expects at such rallies.
Someone called me during the demonstration telling me what a wonderful event it is, the mood did not feel hostile but rather like a block party. I guess without self-serving politicians stirring up trouble people are capable of behaving in a civilized manner.
As for humor, I think the funniest line in all the speeches was when it was announced that the declaration they are reading has no spelling mistakes.

Hoping
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John G: “Your 2 pictures do not show the most interesting aspect of this demonstration, that it was attended by senior citizens in equal numbers with the young one expects at such rallies.”
I was there, and I was going to say the same but opposite (if that is possible)… that one of the promising elements of the event was that there were many younger and middle aged people. I was hoping that attendance would not just be by the older generation and the usual “alternative” crowd that one gets at these events. Looking around there were young families, “suits”, students, middle aged people, elderly… you name it. It was a real mix. Very heartening.
The key will be what happens at the next event on the 27th. Will the numbers grow? Here’s hoping.

Eva S. Balogh
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John G: “Quite an interesting demonstration.”
Here is a video about the demonstration:


John G
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Thank you for the link. hehe I was almost shocked to recognize a few faces, ones I never would have expected to see there, KDNP supporters. I was also happy to recognize some who would NEVER attend a demonstration, yet something compelled them to go. (well one of them at least was convinced by his son)
I watched a video of the occupation of Elisabeth Bridge in 2006 demanding a recount of the vote for comparison. Most telling!!
Sorry I missed yesterday’s evnet. Even sorrier I will not be able to attend on 27 January either.

Paul
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I don’t want to appear too cynical, but I can’t see OV just standing by when/if these demos start to get bigger.
A very big part of the fantasy world he’s built up over the last few years is that he is acting as the demoocratic will of the Hungarian people, and thus is supported by ALL the people. How will his fantasy (and ego) cope if reality keeps telling him that an ever larger number of ‘his’ people don’t support him?
He’s been expanding both the police and the army since he came to power, and after July he will have total control of the media.
Enjoy the ‘block parties’ while they last.

Member

Paul: ” How will his fantasy (and ego) cope if reality keeps telling him that an ever larger number of ‘his’ people don’t support him?” He will write off any opposing opinion by saying that they are coming either from communists, from lefties, from western lovers, from not true Hungarians. True Hungarians are with him, so the others do not count. Many comments provided on this blog proves this theory already.

Paul
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I agree, someone, but what I meant was what will he do when (if) the demos start to get bigger and more frequent – too much to just ignore?
He will take it personally. The newly recruited, Fidesz loyal, police (and army) will wade in heavy handed, to teach the Hungary haters and commies a lesson.
2006 will look like a picnic in comparison.

Kirsten
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Paul, that he could use the army to suppress demonstrations appears also very unlikely to me. From what I read here on the blog, I understand that no such intervention might be needed as the majority of people either do not care or “believe” OV. (Also some of the few comments below the video of yesterday’s demonstrations point in that direction.) He could ask his followers to have a demostration in favour of the new law, then cause turmoil etc. That would serve his purpose too.

Member

I agree with Kirsten. He would not call the army or “unleash” the police. If you read some of the comments on the youtube link or on other forums, the only thing left to prove “freedom” in Hungary in general that they did not call in the police or the army on the demonstrators. (Never mind that this demonstration never turned into taking over anything or setting things on fire.) It would take much more for Orban than the peaceful demonstration to call in the police. At the same time the ultra right may take some upcoming opportunity to unleash some of their anger. I hope this will not happen.

Paul
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Kirsten/someone, I hope with all my heart that you are right.
But I fear that OV will react like all dictators when faced with real opposition.

Rigó Jancsi
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@ Paul: Surely Orbán will take this personally. As John said, the funniest comment was that there are no spelling mistakes in the document. That comment was rather meant for Szent Pál. But when reading Orbán’s email address, Bakács Tibor made a short brake, and so it became clear what everybody thinks about Orbán: “Orbán Viktor kukac…” – He’s just a worm. No way that he won’t take this personally, he’s not the person who laughs about such a joke.
Anyways, here’s my own video cut of the demonstration:

Eva S. Balogh
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Rigo Jancsi: “That comment was rather meant for Szent Pál. But when reading Orbán’s email address, Bakács Tibor made a short brake, and so it became clear what everybody thinks about Orbán: “Orbán Viktor kukac…”
Just a footnote. Hungarians call the @ sign “kukac” = worm. The crowd laughed heartily.
One more thing. When I was listening to Bródy’s songs which were not part of my life because I didn’t experience the Kádár regime first hand, I was very moved by hearing the crowd singing along, knowing every word of every stanza. I guess these kind things are the glue that holds nations together.

Eva S. Balogh
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You may want to listen to National Public Radio’s two reports from Hungary.
http://tiny.cc/6r86z

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Eva: Brody was a member of the “controversial” pop group Illes. The song was originally written to express the disappointment with the government when it participated in the 1968 invasion of Czehoslovakia (Czech Uprising). Illes was also of the symbol of the Hungarian “resistance”, free speech, free thoughts and free public life. I do not know many people from at least two generations who do not know the lyrics to almost all of their songs. The significance of Brody being part of the demonstration is that Brody was always part of the resistance, always outspoken for changes. There is not one person who could question his integrity under Kadar. He was more instrumental in demanding changes through all of his life then Orban or most of us ever could been. Interestingly the two main members of the group Brody and Szorenyi went on their separate political ways after the changes. Here is a crude translation of the lyrics. Do you believe that the yellow rose is still in bloom? Do you believe we still listening to lying phrases? Do you believe that we’ll always forgive everything? Do you believe that we will forget all our dreams? …All our dreams. You… Read more »
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