A Hungarian Nazi group: The army of outlaws (Betyársereg) and friends

First a few words about the Magyar Sziget Fesztivál (Hungarian Island Festival), which just held its eleventh gathering in Verőce. This far-right festival came into being as a counterpoint to the  gathering of young people from all over the world in Budapest at about the same time called simply Sziget Festival. Magyar Sziget is a much smaller gathering. According to one of the organizers, Jobbik MP György Zagyva, they want it that way. One thing is certain: the organizers make sure that “antagonistic outsiders” will not enter the premises. At least not legally. The only reporters they allow are from friendly or “neutral” newspapers like Magyar Nemzet, but officially MTV was also there to report on the gathering. It was illegal for participants to take pictures.

The reporters of the British Sun (August 4) didn’t seem to care very much about all the rules and regulations of the Hungarian Nazis. They donned T-shirts appropriate for the occasion, hid their cameras, and took plenty of pictures. Including one of a British National Party politician while he repeatedly gave the Nazi salute and shouted, “Sieg heil.” In addition, one could see Nazi paraphernalia being displayed:

 

One can only wonder whether the reporters from MTV saw these displays or perhaps the organizers hid their ware while MTV was filming the event. In any case, no one seemed to see anything wrong with the festival. One also wonders about the policemen who were apparently making sure that the one-week long festival went off smoothly, without any disturbances.

Chris Hurst, the BNP politician who has since been stripped of his party membership, came to Hungary to meet with leaders of the Hungarian far right. Hurst explained to The Sun that he merely followed the lead of the thousands of neo-Nazis present. They were all transfixed on Saga, a Swedish singer, whose racist lyrics were a great inspiration for Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer. Here are a few people from the admiring crowd:

György Zagyva, a Jobbik MP and one of the organizers, is planning to sue The Sun for illegally entering and taking pictures at the festival. From the vantage point of the British reporters it was a good idea to enter incognito because otherwise they might have met Zagyva himself, as two unsuspecting Hungarian reporters from Hetek (publication of Hitgyűlekezet) did last year. They came close to being roughed up by the “gentleman.”

Let’s start with the shameful situation that the Hungarian press seems to be incapable of decent investigative journalism. If the Brits could get into the festival, take pictures, and write a report that resulted in the ousting of a British politician, it would be incumbent upon Hungarian journalists to be able to do the same. Admittedly, knowing the Hungarian situation, even if such a report had seen the light of day most likely nothing would have happened. The authorities wouldn’t move a finger. They would madly look around in the legal tomes to find some reason for taking action, but in the final analysis they wouldn’t find anything to justify police action against the organizers.

At least The Sun‘s report called attention to Magyar Sziget. It is not very clear in what way, but further details leaked out from the gathering. In the tent set up by Szent Korona Rádió, a far-right station, two members of Betyársereg (Army of Outlaws) gave speeches. One of them–Zsolt Tyirityán, who had already seen what life was like inside a jail cell–called upon people to wage guerrilla warfare and kill without compunction. He was recruiting people to join the Outlaws, especially people who are single and are ready to sacrifice their lives. After all, it is possible that the members of the new Anti-Terrorist Center set up by Viktor Orbán will kill them all. He talked about being freedom fighters and self-sacrificing martyrs.

 

His companion, Zsolt Dér, detailed a future war between three million Gypsies and three million pensioners and envisioned local self-defense groups that “will result in a situation we call terrorism.” According to Dér, the police of Sándor Pintér are already preparing for such an eventuality. After the Gypsies came the Jews with Israeli Merkava tanks. Tyirityán asked the crowd: “Will we be brave enough to shoot that lousy Jew?” Several people from the crowd answered in the affirmative and the people began to applaud.

After a few days of silence the spokeswoman of Jobbik, Dóra Dúró, told Index that Jobbik is not a close associate of Betyársereg. Their relationship can be described more properly as peaceful coexistence.

It is fairly difficult for Jobbik to disassociate itself from some very unsavory groups because during the summer of 2009 the newspapers of “the national side” wrote extensively on a “National Guarantee Meeting” where representatives of the more important organizations of the far right signed a document of strategic cooperation: Gábor Vona, chairman of Jobbik; György Budaházy, currently in jail suspected of attacks on Socialist politicians; Róbert Kiss, then captain of the Hungarian Guard; György Zagyva, representing HVIM (Hatvankét Vármegye Ifjúsági Mozgalom); and Zsolt Tyirityán, leader of the Outlaws.

The Outlaws

Although another Jobbik MP, Szilvia Bertha, also denied that Jobbik has anything to do with the Outlaws, László Toroczkai (HVMI), the man who received a message from the Norwegian murderer before he shot 70 some people, told reporters last Saturday that “the strategic alliance between Jobbik, HVIM and the Outlaws is working very well as this year’s Magyar Sziget proves.”

As for Toroczkai himself, at Magyar Sziget he declared that he could kill Ferenc Gyurcsány and Viktor Orbán with a Kalashnikov. Dóra Dúró, when asked about Toroczkai’s boasting, could say only that her party is in favor of legal retribution.

LMP and MSZP demand an investigation of these groups and the activities at Magyar Sziget from Sándor Pintér, minister of interior. What do you think will happen?

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Kirsten
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And how many of the people are supposed to be in some way like minded with the National Guarantee Club? I must admit, the photograph of the outlaws really impressed me. This is what one can meet in Budapest in the streets these days? Totally understandable that the most pressing issue is to fight left-liberals who speak so ugly about Hungary – they have not yet understood that one needs also to look ugly to be true to the nation !

Eva S. Balogh
Guest

Kirsten: “I must admit, the photograph of the outlaws really impressed me.”
I guess they must have been influenced by Miklós Jancsó’s famous film Round-Up (Szegénylegények).

Kirsten
Guest

These man are completely in black, Mr Sandor Rozsa on the wikipedia picture and also the inmates in the short section of the film that I found at youtube have at least two colours and they have no masks. But is this dress actually considered quite beautiful (traditional)? I understand the film was received very positively.

Paul
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If the Brits have one major fault* it’s our almost total Anglo-centic view of the world (“fog in Channel, Continent cut off”, etc). The Sun reporters got their little local story, but missed the much bigger one – the rise of the ultra-right in Hungary and East/Central Europe. They went to all that trouble to discredit a minor member of a party that has already practically collapsed and died, but didn’t report the really shocking truth that the mad men are tollerated, even accepted in parts of Europe and have real power. In the UK, the far-right has never been taken seriously. It comes and goes, each party thinking they are going to be the ones to break through and get taken seriously, but always they fall out, discredit themselves, or just simply fade away. And because of this, we never really take the far-right in Europe seriously either. Le Penn was just a French joke to us, the neo-fascists in places like Sweeden and Norway are just lone nutters, and Italy – well what can you expect from Italians? And(I’m afraid) what’s happening in far-away countries like Hungary simply doesn’t register at all (most Brits couldn’t even find Hungary… Read more »
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Sandor Rozsa was the Hungarian Billy The Kid. Well, rubbing stage coaches isn’t exactly he same as being a bigmouth, bloodthirsty Nazi. As a matter a fact it’s a whole lot more work then gunning down gipsy mothers and their children in their sleep.
Regarding Eva’s rhetorical question I think I’m on a winning streak when betting on Hungarian politicians getting away with common crimes, like corruption and supporting the KKK. So I raise the bet … $10 anyone? Gosh, It just shows how shady I am.
About the Hungarian investigative journalism in shambles. The Orban regime already took a few steps to silence it. The atlatszo.hu (atlatszo=transparent), also known as MagyarLeaks:
http://atlatszo.hu/category/englishnews
is currently harassed by the Hungarian authorities for exposing that one brokerage firm (Brokernet) practically hung out the personal data of their clients on the Internet without protection. They are threatened with jail time if the don’t give up the hacker who basically proved the security problem, which is by the way an IT brouhaha. And this is far from showing Jobbik politicians in Nazi garment (no shit). But I have to say it is still admirable. Please keep an eye on them.

Member

er, “robbing” no “rubbing”. That would be the Hungarian way …

Paul
Guest

Good link, Mutt, thanks.

Kirsten
Guest

It is a bit off-topic but if these men could be influenced by a person who seems to be more or less a rather positive figure in Hungarian history, is there any “classic” film on historical events in Hungary that refers to the post-1920 times? I ask that because I think as schoolchildren we (in a Czech school, communist times) were filled with Hussites and their brave fight against the crusaders but there was also a lot of WWII material creating also this atmosphere of “we” and “them”, without focusing on the more remote past. Given the “twists and turns” of Hungary in the 20th century, I think 1956 could be regarded as such a positive event (I know it is disputed now who is a “true” 1956er) but there is not that much more which could serve as an inspiration (or is there anything that I am not aware of)? Unfortunate logic on the part of the outlaws but it seems there is some logic behind it.

Eva S. Balogh
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Kirsten “These men are completely in black, Mr Sandor Rozsa on the wikipedia picture and also the inmates in the short section of the film that I found at youtube have at least two colours and they have no masks.”
I think they decided on all black because the color has a frightening effect. The mask also, in addition that they don’t want to say their faces to the world. The guys who were smashing downtown Budapest into bit also wore masks. This way, the police will have difficulty finding them.

Eva S. Balogh
Guest

Kirsten: “is there any “classic” film on historical events in Hungary that refers to the post-1920 times?”
You mean historical? No, I don’t think.

Pete H.
Guest

The Athena Institute tracks Hungarian hate groups:
http://www.athenaintezet.hu/en/index/
http://www.athenaintezet.hu/en/hate_groups/
This blog often covers far-right groups:
http://thecontrarianhungarian.wordpress.com/

Eva S. Balogh
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Mutt “Regarding Eva’s rhetorical question I think I’m on a winning streak when betting on Hungarian politicians getting away with common crimes, like corruption and supporting the KKK. So I raise the bet … $10 anyone?”
If you ask me, I think you will win that bet. My feeling is that Orbán doesn’t want to alienate the far right because he is worried about losing votes in his own camp.

Paul
Guest

One of the ’emergency’ measures they’ve just brought in in the UK is to ban face masks. So, presumably, the police can now arrest you just for covering your face.
Which made me wonder how the police would deal with a group of othordox Muslim women rioting…
And, talking of the riots – something that amused me tonight was to hear Cameron (looking sleeker and more self-satisfied than ever) describing the rioters as ‘just criminals’.
Oddly, this is exactly how those naughty oppressive governments always describe rioters, but (with a knowing wink from the BBC), we know that’s just propaganda, don’t we…

layman-sociologisst
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We may agree in a statement as follows:
We Hungarians sadly have an outrageous number of definitely sick minded fellow citizens among us.
These degenerate people are ready to subscribe the genocidal plans of the right and left alternatively.
The failed state of this nation is a direct result of this heavy burden
An unselfish alliance of the sane Hungarians must reform/rehabilitate/eliminate these extremist fake patriots on the left and on the right.

Jano
Guest

It’s interesting to see that plenty of articles appeared on Kuruc.info saying that this is even too much for them… I didn’t think this was ever going to happen.

GW
Guest

I’m afraid the Geni may be out of the bottle in Hungary and movements like this can be uncontrollable. If ever there were a time for the leader of a democracy to step forward and use all his or her reason and rhetorical force to try to reign in such forces, it is now in Hungary, just as it was in Germany in 1930-32. Unfortunately, does anyone here seriously see OV stepping forward and speaking up decisively for decency, humanity, and democratic values and against authoritarianism, violence and
racism?

Odin's lost eye
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Paul in your post of August 11, 2011 at 07:05 PM you wrote ** “And, talking of the riots – something that amused me tonight was to hear Cameron (looking sleeker and more self-satisfied than ever) describing the rioters as ‘just criminals’” ** That is exactly what they are. They went ‘shopping’ without paying for the stuff they ‘bought’. This is any normal community has a name “THEFT” which I believe is a criminal offence. The fact they went ’mob handed’ was the prime cause of the riots Mr layman-sociologist you wrote ** “We Hungarians sadly have an outrageous number of definitely sick minded fellow citizens among us. These degenerate people are ready to subscribe the genocide plans of the right and left alternatively.” **. Many of these folk are totally disenchanted by what they see as the failures, the corruption and deceptions/betrayals practiced on them by the ‘main-stream’ politicians. The grandiose plans of the ‘Rancid Right’ and their own misperception of their own history attract them. They join a culture where violence and thugary are the norm and due to peer pressure they become part of that culture. GW. I will agree with you the ‘Mighty One’ (O.V.) tolerates… Read more »
Johnny Boy
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Kirsten: “This is what one can meet in Budapest in the streets these days?”
No. Why do you believe such bullshit? Why don’t you come here and look around yourself?
Why is it that it is always those who don’t even visit Hungary who write the ugliest slander all the time?
Why don’t you come here? Don’t you care about the truth? It seems you don’t. Come here, wander around Budapest for weeks if you like, day and night, and you won’t meet this “betyársereg”. This ridiculous uniform of these idiots is merely for such sicko occasions.
I think, by the way, Eva owes us some explanation on how these outlaws and right extremists could be so coalesced with Fidesz and OV if they could equally shoot Gyurcsány and Orbán.
By the way, Toroczkai didn’t say he wanted to do this, he said “let those raise their hands who never said they could shoot Gyurcsány or Orbán with a Kalashnikov”. And as such he is right, for most people have probably said things along this line.

Paul
Guest

Odin’s – my point wasn’t whether or not they were criminals, clearly they are. The point I was trying to make is how easily ‘we’ are persuaded that one lot of rioters are ‘good’ and one lot ‘bad’ – without really knowing enough to make such judgements.
Anyway, I’m posting this from the Forum in Debrecen (upmarket mall) on free wi-fi – not even a password required! I’ve never found this in the UK, but in Debrecen alone there’s half a dozen genuinely free wi-fi spots. That’s one up for Hungary.
Needless to say, Typepad is a nightmare to use on a smartphone!

chayenne
Guest

Can I ask for a clarification? This:
‘a future war between three million Gypsies and three million pensioners and envisioned local self-defense groups that “will result in a situation we call terrorism.” ‘
Who are the terrorists in this context? The local groups, or Dér and co.? I’m sorry but this sentence confused me.

Eva S. Balogh
Guest

Chayenne: “‘ Who are the terrorists in this context? The local groups, or Dér and co.? I’m sorry but this sentence confused me.”
What do you expect from Dér and Co.? Confused thoughts in confused heads.

Member
Well, I am not buying into Kuruc info’s or Johnny Boy’s “you see we are not the bad guys” attitude. THe point is that they all want the same but maybe they are not so radical on trying to achieve it. How many times Johnny Boy called on “wiping out” the left, Gyurcsany, Cohn Bendit, etc.? How many times Fidesz supported newspapers printed articles that called for getting rid off Jews, gays, etc… For some, of course it is freedom of expression. For me it is a a “jihad” without the guts. THey are sitting back, teasing the less educated, and when who were misinformed (with Jewish, communist, leftist, conspiracy) start to went their extremist views, they use this as an excuse, they use it to show to the world that themselves are actually forward thinking free speakers. I forgive the extremist in Hungary more so, then forgive those who let the false information feed them to become who they are. I forgive the jihadist women, and the young boys too. When Fidesz allows articles and cozies up to journalist who do what they do best, spit and foam from the mouth in order to spread hate; when the head… Read more »
Pete H.
Guest

How can Jobbik distance themselves from these hate groups when they include themselves as speakers at Magyar Sziget? Seven out of 42 Jobbik MP’s acted as speakers or panelists at the hate fest: Vona Gábor , Gaudi-Nagy Tamás, Zagyva György Gyula, Mirkóczki Ádám, Z. Kárpát Dániel, Szávay István, and Pörzse Sándor. And two Jobik mayors, Orosz Mihály and Juhász Oszkár.
It’s an outrage for a European Democracy to look the other way when members of its parliament engage in such activities. Imagine the outcry if Republican congressional members were openly attending KKK rallies. This is something OV should be speaking out against. When racial hatred is tolerated, in a country where the young see no future, it grows.
How do these hate groups spread their irredentist and racist messages? Via that quintessential Hungarian musical genre of Rap music.



And heavy metal.



Apparently csárdás zene is just no way to reach teenage boys.
And JB, yes you can run into these guys in Budapest if you recognize their symbology, which you’ll see on their tee-shirts (comment image?w=468&h=282) and tattoos. They are not exceedingly common, but they are present.

Member

@Johnny “No. Why do you believe such bullshit? Why don’t you come here and look around yourself?”
She was pulling your leg. Don’t be the over-sensitive Eastern-European jerk stereo type. Lots of foreigners read this blog, you know …
Regarding your question about this Nazi group being close to the Orban regime when they would equally kill Orban and Gyurcsany. Well, good point. Orban definitely doesn’t consider them friends. He believes these pit bulls can come handy one day, just make sure they don’t bite your hand. He doesn’t care if the country’s reputation is in free fall. Otherwise he or somebody from his government should have made it clear that they have nothing in common. But that didn’t happen.

Kirsten
Guest

Johnny, if you saw a photograph of people from the Czech “Workers Party” (part of Jobbik’s European network) or some highly attractive German right-wingers in action, and you told me, look this is what you can see in the streets, I would have to answer: that may happen. But I could equally say that these groups are really at the fringes (even if they are often enough given the chance to express their views in public) and that these are (at least so far) held in check by the police and the rest of the society. So, what is worrying is not only that these outlaws have a specifically dramatic outfit but also that one is not sure how deeply this is affecting the whole society. But because I saw only one picture, I simply asked, which you do not want to deny me, even if I am an uninformed foreigner, or do you?

Contre nous de la tyrannie
Guest
Contre nous de la tyrannie

Johnny Boy, you may not use public transportation in Budapest. If you take tram number 4-6 or the metro, you have a good chance to see these nazis. If you are lucky they are just traveling and not trying to convince you about some racist shit. My child who is blond and Jewish was terrified when in a bus stop a nazi started to convince her about his ideology. Yes, they are everywhere. Also I would suggest everyone to pay attention to Jobbik voters, well dressed university students. The Orban government is guilty as no-one speaks up against the nazis and what has happened at the Magyar Sziget.

GW
Guest

Johnny Boy,
A year ago, I had the Herald Tribune ripped out of my hands on the 4 tram near Oktagon on a Thursday mid-afternoon by a shaved headed thug telling me that Hungarian was the language of the land and I should be ashamed of myself for reading a foreign language paper in public.

Paul
Guest

Phew! For much of the last week I’ve been travelling on busz and tram in Debrecen reading an English edition of The Smell of Humans – which has a bloody great bright yellow Star of David on the front cover.
I’m lucky to still be alive!
But, seriously, if JB really thinks such thugs and nutters aren’t visible in Hungary, it’s not the streets of Budapest he needs to travel on, it’s the roads of the villages in the East he should try.
Ask the Roma if they ever see these people.
But why the need to look for them? There’s at least 46 of them sitting in Parliament.

Kirsten
Guest

This is how it looks like for the Economist:
http://www.economist.com/node/21525919

Member

Paul: ” why the need to look for them? There’s at least 46 of them sitting in Parliament.” Good one.

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