Canadians launch protest against the Hungarian hate parades


March 15, 2012

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On January 21st, 400,000 Hungarians went out into the streets of Budapest to proclaim their love for their country and for their country’s current government. The organizers of this giant rally claimed that this was a “peace-rally”. On March 15th, they held a second giant rally in support of the government, and in order to demonstrate their overwhelming strength to Hungary’s currently divided political opposition and to the government’s critics outside of Hungary.

The undersigned respect and support the right of citizens to publicly demonstrate their feelings of patriotism and love for politicians who are dedicated to upholding universally accepted democratic principles. We cannot respect, however, nor support, public demonstrations organized by people who preach racial hatred, advocate violence, and shun discourse as a means of dealing with social conflict.

The undersigned contend, and will show evidence for their contentions, that these giant political rallies in Budapest are being organized by people who frequently espouse racist and hate-filled views, and have no respect for universally valid democratic principles. The main impact of these massive rallies is to discourage and intimidate those who are working for democracy and civil-rights inside and outside the borders of Hungary. We call upon all Hungarians to resist the temptation to follow in the footsteps of the organizers. We call upon all democrats, on the right, in the center or on the left of the political divide, to raise their voices in defence of Hungary’s threatened minorities – the Roma, the Jews, the gays, the liberals, the anti-government conservatives – and all democrats, who are increasingly menaced today by a relentless march of fundamentalist intolerance.  The giant pro-government rallies organised by Zsolt Bayer, András Bencsik, Imre Kerényi and Sir Gábor Széles are NOT “peace-rallies”, but hate-parades. They are organized by political bullies, and must be condemned by all democrats, regardless of their party or ideological preference. In the following paragraphs we provide a brief cross section of evidence of this bullying:

Zsolt Bayer

Zsolt Bayer is one of the key organizers of the giant Budapest “peace rallies”. He is a close friend of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. He is the proud holder of membership card No 5 in the governing party – FIDESZ. By his own admission, Mr Bayer, is not an advocate of consensual conflict resolution. His favoured tension-management instrument is force – a punch in the mouth, a good beating “so that even your dentist won’t recognize your face anymore” (See his Hol a pofátlanság határa. Budapest. Kairosz publishers, 2001. pg. 166.) By his own admission, Bayer does not care if his competitors “espouse European or consensus oriented values…because I am the new consensus, the new fundamentalism. The future belongs to me …and it will be beautiful, uplifting, and will rise out of the ashes” (Quoted in Magyar Nemzet, Hungary’s leading pro-government daily. July 20, 2002.). Bayer has the following advice to give to anyone who happens to run over a Roma child with his car: “Anyone who happens to run over a gypsy child in this country, would be best not think of stopping. If you run over a gypsy, just step on the gas-pedal” (See his article in Magyar Hírlap, Hungary’s second largest pro-government daily, owned by Sir Gábor Széles, one of Prime Minister’s most powerful corporate supporters). Bayer has the following to say about those of his colleagues in the Budapest media, who happen to be Jewish: " the mere existence of Jewish journalists in Budapest is grounds enough for our anti-Semitism”. (op.cit) It is for these, and many similar statements by Zsolt Bayer, that we say – anyone who marches behind this man, brings shame, rather than respect and honour, to the name of Hungary.  

András Bencsik

The second chief-organizer of the giant Budapest “peace rallies” is András Bencsik, a former Communist Party Secretary in the old dictatorship. Bencsik is also a close associate of Prime-Minister Viktor Orbán, and is a member of Orbán’s ruling party. Bencsik is the editor in chief of the pro-government weekly Demokrata, which the prime minister often urges his followers to read. Every Spring, just about this time, his magazine celebrates the Hungarian troops who fought the Allies on behalf of the Nazis during the siege of Budapest, and helped to prolong the war, at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. He is one of the founders of the neo-Nazi Hungarian Guard militia. When the Swedish academy gave the Nobel Prize for literature to the Hungarian-Jewish writer, Imre Kertész, Mr Bencsik stated, that this was the equivalent of giving Hungary a plate of excrement. (András Bencsik. Demokrata. December 19, 2002) He applied the same figure of speech to Hungary’s accession to the European Union. (ibid). Mr Bencsik argues, that the leadership role model for Hungary should not be a European, but the former KGB leader Vladimir Putin. Here are his words: “Russia has finally shut the door on a chaotic 20th century…and has now embarked on clearly delineated, collectively derived path towards its national interest, one based on tradition, faith, and strength …in a very short time, Putin and Medvedev will determine the fate of world history” (András Bencsik, Demokrata, May 14, 2008.). It is for these and many similar statements by András Bencsik, that we say – anyone who marches behind this man, brings shame, rather than respect and honour, to the name of Hungary.  

Imre Kerényi

Imre Kerényi was also a loyal communist party member prior to the fall of the dictatorship. He quickly changed his political colours and became one of the closest lieutenants of the current Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán. For the past ten years, Kerényi has been THE organizer of the government party’s major street rallies and special events. He has a senior position in the Prime Minister’s Office today. US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should pay special attention to the kind of strategic advisors the Hungarian Prime Minister surrounds himself with. A year after the infamous 9/11 World Trade Center massacre in which nearly four thousands innocent Americans lost their lives, Mr Kerényi said the following: “We are on the threshold a World War III, which the USA will lose…The American high-tech will be destroyed by a white powder” (Imre Kerényi Médiaegyensúly. Budapest. Kairosz Publishers. 2003. pg. 263 ). In the 2006 Hungarian national election campaign, Mr Kerényi spoke these unforgettable words as he campaigned on behalf of his leader, Mr Orbán: “I can reassure all, pretty soon, there will be a little mound where today, the White House stands in Washington, and on it, goats will be grazing peacefully”  In 2006 he also declared publicly, that the USA is the world’s most despicable country, and even Hungary’s former overlords, the Russians are more likeable than the USA. In the same speech, he argued that Hungary’s political role model should be Iran, and the global Muslim resistance movement that is fighting the Americans in Iraq and elsewhere. (See: Tamás Bihari. “For Kerényi, the Muslims show the way” Népszava. February 28, 2006.) When his Party leader, Viktor Orbán, was asked for his views about his lieutenant’s radical outbursts, he replied, “I wish I had more people like him on my team.” It is for these and many similar statements by Imre Kerényi, that we say – anyone who marches behind this man, brings shame, rather than respect and honour, to the name of Hungary.

Sir Gábor Széles

Sir Gábor Széles is one of Hungary’s richest oligarchs, and the owner of one of Hungary’s largest, most influential media empires. He is one of the leading supporters of the government party and of Mr Orbán personally. Sir Gábor is also one of the chief financiers and organizers of the pro-government “peace rallies”. The title of “Sir” before Széles’ name derives from his membership in an Order – the Vitézi Order – that was created by Admiral Horthy, the man who ruled Hungary between the two world wars, and was responsible for the introduction of the first anti-Jewish laws in the 20th century, in 1920, well before Hitler came to power. By Horthy’s own admission, the Order that he created, and Széles is a member of, is based on the principles of racial purity and exclusion “Even the most heroic, best decorated Jew cannot be a member”. (For all this, see Szinai Miklós-Szűcs László (eds). The Secret Papers of Admiral Horthy. Budapest. Kossuth Publishers, 1965. pg. 260-261 or Erzsébet Strassenreiter’s excellent study in Népszava. October 31, 2008). In another confidential letter, Horthy is even more forthright “I have always been an anti-Semite I never had or wanted to have anything to do with the Jews” (Szinai-Szűcs, op.cit). Sir Gábor Széles is a member of an Order, that was created by a man, who in 1944, as Hungary’s Regent, sanctioned that the entire Hungarian Jewry outside of Budapest – 460,000 men, women and children –  be rounded up, stripped of all their belongings, crammed into freight cars used to transport animals, and shipped off to the extermination camps. The procedure took 51 days in the Spring of 1944, and was executed by Hungarian state administrators and police forces. (Let us remember and honour the tragic memory and suffering of the victims). In Sir Gábor Széles’ media empire one is free to heap venom on gays, Roma, Jews, liberals or plain ordinary democrats, but one must never criticize the Mr. Orbán, the Prime Minister. It is for all the above reasons that we say, again – anyone who marches behind Sir Gábor Széles, media mogul, in Budapest, brings shame, rather than respect and honour, to the name of Hungary.

The undersigned would like to bring to the attention of global public opinion the fact that rallies which are led by racist hate-mongers and/or antidemocrats, cannot be called “peace rallies”. They are hate parades, and deserve to be condemned by all those who respect the dignity of human life, civil rights and democracy.

Canadian initiators of „Stop the Hungarian Hate Parade”:

 

András B. Göllner, PhD, emeritus associate professor, Montreal, Québec; Stevan Harnad, PhD, Research Chair, professor, Montreál, Québec; Christopher Adam, PhD, lecturer, Ottawa, Ontario; Éva Balogh, PhD, retired professor, acedemic dean, New Haven, Connecticut; Imre Szemán, PhD, Research Chair, professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Imre Szemán sr, retired welder, Calgary, Alberta; Peter W. Klein, MA, Department-head, professor, Vancouver, British Columbia; Julius H. Grey, lawyer, Montreal, Québec; Kari Polányi-Levit, PhD, emeritus professor, Montreal, Québec; Kirsten Kramar, PhD, Department-head, professor, Winnipeg, Manitoba; Arthur Schafer, PhD, Department head, professor, Winnipeg, Manitoba; Christopher Kaposy, PhD, professor, St John’s New Foundland; Ágnes Holló-Zeliger, MD, Pediatrician, Montreal, Québec; Marguerite Mendell, PhD, Institute head, professor, Montreál, Québec; Mary O’Connor, PhD, professor, Hamilton, Ontario; Peter Nyers, PhD, professor, Toronto, Ontario; Marlene Kádár, PhD, professor, Toronto, Ontario; Judit Kopácsi, writer, Torontó, Ontario; Judit Szaport, PhD, professor, Montreal, Québec; Paris Arnopoulos, emeritus professor, Montreal, Québec; Daniel Salee, PhD, College Principal, university professor, Montreal, Québec; William Straw, PhD, professor, Montreal, Québec; Garry Watson, PhD, professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Michael Truscello, PhD, professor, Calgary, Alberta; Gábor Lukács, PhD, mathematician, Halifax, Nova Scotia; Denis Rancourt, PhD, professor, Ottawa, Ontario; Timothy Kaposy, PhD, professor, Ste Catherine Ontario; Marie-Eve Morin, PhD, professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Gergely Lukács, PhD, Research Chair, professor, Montreál; Melinda Gough, PhD, professor, Hamilton, Ontario; Rod Clifton, PhD, professor, Winnipeg, Manitoba; Valéria M. Pásztor, PhD, retired professor, Montreal, Québec; Stephan Christianson, PhD student, Edmonton, Alberta; Kurt Pabst, PhD student, Edmonton, Alberta; Andrew Johnson, Writer, Hamilton, Ontario; Adam Carlson, PhD, Assistant professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Louise Chalouh, High-school principal, Montreal, Québec; Donald Goellnicht, PhD, professor, Toronto, Ontario; David Kootnikoff, PhD student, Edmonton, Alberta; Esther Bogyo, Talent agent, Torontó, Ontario; Karyn Ball, PhD, professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Karen Kipper, university student, Halifax, Nova Scotia; Sarah Jeswiet, Statistician, Ottawa, Ontario; Yvonne Singer, PhD, professor, Toronto, Ontario; Troeung Y-Dang, PhD, University Research Fellow, Calgary, Alberta; Brent Bellamy, Assistant professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Shawa Rangwala PhD student, Edmonton, Alberta; Jessica Rona-Hartzog, university student, Montreal, Québec; Margaret O’Brien, Librarian, Vancouver, British Columbia; Andrew Bland Andrew, Financial system’s manager, Oakville, Ontario; Virginia Kingston, Artist, Toronto, Ontario; Albert Jimenez, high-chool teacher, Montreal, Québec; Helmut-Harry Loewen, PhD, professor, Winnipeg, Manitoba; Anne Ericcson, Marketing manager, Ottawa, Ontario; Martin Kreiswirth, PhD, professor, Montreal, Québec; André Glaser, PhD, Assistant professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Sandra Widmer, university research fellow, Toronto, Ontario; Linda Leith, PhD, Writer/publisher, Montreal, Québec; Karen Virág, Writer/Editor, Edmonton, Alberta; Lina Moros, Flamenco artiste, Montreal, Québec; William Hartzog, Lawyer, Montreal, Québec; Barry Allen, PhD, professor, Hamilton, Ontario; Lisa Szabó-Jones, PhD student, Wolfville, Nova Scotia; Jeff Diamanti, PhD student, Edmonton, Alberta; Amy Schissel, High-school teacher, Ottawa, Ontario; Elizabeth McIninch, management consultant, Montreal, Québec; Anthony McCanny, webdesigner, Ottawa, Ontario; Janos Harnad, PhD, Professor, Montreal, Québec; Jay Friesen, University Research Fellow, Edmonton, Alberta; Virginia Kingston, Artist, Toronto, Ontario; Gabriel Moyal, PhD, professor, Hamilton, Ontario; Christina Szemán, marketing manager, Calgary, Alberta; Vivienne Monty, University librarian, Toronto, Ontario; Helga Mitterbauer, professor, Edmonton, Alberta; Justin A. Sully, Lecturer, Edmonton, Alberta; Margaret Davidson, Writer/Editor, Vancouver, British Columbia; Neil Cournoyer, Bookseller, Ottawa, Ontario; Suzie Fortin, Graduate student, Montreal, Québec; Ágnes Wenninger, Advertising executive, Ottawa, Ontario; Mary Rona, Physician, Montreal, Québec; Sarah Blacker, graduate student, Edmonton, Alberta; John Dixon, Retired college professor, Toronto, Ontario; Timothy Thomas, PhD, urbanist, antique dealer, Montreal, Québec; Péter Láncz, art dealer, Montreál, Québec; Josef Jurkovic, communications consultant, Ottawa, Ontario; Andrew Mátyás, retired engineer, Chelsea, Québec; Margot E. Guthrie, lawyer, Vancouver, British Columbia; Maria Whiteman, Artist, Edmonton, Alberta;

 

 

 

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Guest

London Calling!
I hope Orban signed every page of the constitution!
Regards
Charlie

Guest

London Calling!
I timed out! – And ended up on the wrong blog!
As you’ve probably sussed – this was intended for the ‘Klubradio’ item.
Regards
Charlie

Member

I agree with every word. Too bad I’m in US – I would have sign too.
But where did you get 45 PhDs ?? Is this the local MENSA club? 🙂

Paul
Guest

Real doctors, as well, not Hungarian ones.
Very impressive.
Except of course that they are all left/liberals (if not actually Jewish) and Hungary haters. And have absolutely NO idea of what’s really going on in Hungary because they don’t live here.
(sound of head being banged against padded cell wall…)

Paul
Guest

OT (with apologies) – can anyone keep us up to date with the BKV situation please?
None of my usual sources of info about Hungary (politics.hu, portfolio.hu, etc) seem to work at weekends!
Cheers.

Living with it in Hungary
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Living with it in Hungary

BKV is being bailed out by the government AFAICT

george
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“Anyone who happens to run over a gypsy child in this country, would be best not think of stopping. If you run over a gypsy, just step on the gas-pedal”
Now this is how you take a sentence and quote it wrongly.
A 40 some year old teacher happened to hit a child in Hungary, he was travelling with his daughters. He stopped to help the little girl, who luckily had no injuries. Within a couple of second her relatives arrived about 50 of them and started beating up the teacher in front of his daughters, they do not just beat him but literally beat him to death (also threatening his daughters).
This was a seriously ugly case, hence the sentence you took from the article and used to show how racist hungarian citizens are.
Well done …

Odin's Lost Eye
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Oh how those hate mongers love their brutality. These are the same sort of toads as those in Syria who are killing their own folk men women and children. They are pure unadulterated hatred on two legs. Their mothers may love them but I and many millions of others do not. How do we ‘deal’ with them? Do we have to let them blow their brains out in a bunker in wherever? The last one who did that cost millions of lives. Most of them were decent innocents folk who just wished to live, love and be loved. Another (Ole Joe) had a fit with a leg up. He croaked on a sofa in his own urine. Ironically those who might have saved him were in the hands of his tortures (the KGB). Yet another was recently found hiding in a ditch and was shot, more is the pity. That one should have made an unwilling a source of ‘innocent merriment’. Folk who follow such filth bring shame on themselves rather than respect and dishonour, to the land in which they live. These hate parades, deserve to be condemned and lampooned by all those who decent folk for whom the… Read more »
Living with it in Hungary
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Living with it in Hungary

humm, typepad seems to have eaten my response.
@george, this is indeed an ugly/sad case in which every family involved suffers. But more to the quote. Are your standards so low that you’d accept a statement like this from a public persona no matter what? Seriously, this is yet another example as to why the political elite in the country is unfit for political office. This guy is completely unelectable in Canada. In fact the whole lot of them are completely unelectable because public officials in Canada are held to a higher standard. The only example I can think of is a statement made by John Crosby, a minister in the conservative government of Brian Mulroney. He stated something along the lines that people in Africa had lower IQ’s because they didn’t wear hats while out in the Sun. This is coming from a man that was working with aid groups to help drought stricken Africans. And it (rightfully) cost him his job with the aid agencies and his seat in parliament.
Eva, speaking of the unfit, do you know what Gyurcsany is up to in the courts?

Guest

Thanks for this info on the Fidesz henchmen!
It’s almost unbelievable that people like this are in political positions, although you read a lot from people like them on politics.hu – not to mention kuruc and hun..ambience …
I shudder to think that this type of thinking still exists in the 21st century.
But of course you read similar things in the US – tea party anyone ?

GW
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Living with it in Hungary wrote:
“BKV is being bailed out by the government AFAICT”
Bailing it out may well be less painful for Fidesz than a bankruptcy, as a bankruptcy would require a full audit, which could be a major embarrassment to Fidesz as their mismanagement claims against the previous government would be serious deflated by exposing Fidesz’s own deep involvement in the company and exposure would also risk closing off certain revenue streams that are in the interests of some prominent Fidesz members.

Bowen
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George: “this is how you take a sentence and quote it wrongly.” I seem to recall having an argument about Zsolt Bayer’s statement on another blog, and your response was exactly the same, which indicates that Bayer’s accomplices have agreed on damage limitations. Or did you get it from his book, the Horthy-era recalling ‘Hiszek egy hazában’? Although the crime you talk about was a grave and ugly one, it is not excusable for a prominent journalist with known ties to the government to make that kind of statement. Not excusable in any way – and you should be ashamed to even try to excuse him. What he did was to advocate retribution against ALL Roma, regardless of whether they were involved in that particular crime or not. Specifically, retribution against innocent Roma children. This was not a joke. This was a fine example of hate speech. The fact that there have continued to be violent and retributive acts committed against Roma in Hungary (which I’m sure you know about, but would prefer to put aside) only shows that psychotic trouble-makers like Bayer should just shut the hell up and go away. The fact that he is given the responsibility… Read more »
Living with it in Hungary
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Living with it in Hungary

@Bowen, In fact the UK and western press does make mincemeat out of *every* Hungarian politician that manages to escape the confines of the border.

Secured Loans
Guest

There should be no place for hate at all.

Paul
Guest

Never mind racism, this moron is seriously advocating not stopping if you run down a CHILD. In any sane country, this fool would be sacked on the spot.
Hungary is a seriously dysfunctional society.

Kingfisher
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I can’t say I’m very impressed by this. Sorry. For a start, there were not 400,000 people there. And referring to Gábor Seles and “Sir” is just immature. And it was not a “hate” rally, much as I disagree politically with what it expressed. I can’t see that this sort of well-meaning hyperbole serves any useful purpose. And I wonder how many people who have lent their signature know anything first hand about the situation? It creates the impression of a bunch of academics in a far-off land, flaunting their virtue. And that is not going to make Hungarians stop and think if they have a point.
Incidentally, I have met Kerényi a few times and although polite and pleasant (not racist or anti-semitic but full of wild anti-American conspiracy theories) he is mentally all over the place and I can’t imagine him organising anything. And it is simply not true to say he has a “senior position” or is one of Orbán lieutenants. He is on pay-roll, coming up with idiotic notions like the constitutional table (which annoys everyone and distracts from other things Orbán is up to), but he is not “in government” as this article implies.

Eva S. Balogh
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Mutt Damon: “But where did you get 45 PhDs ?? Is this the local MENSA club? :-)”
I didn’t get any. Andras Göllner did.

Kingfisher
Guest

Paul, he is not in a job to be sacked from.

steve
Guest

There is a serious intellectual crisis in Hungary.
The people suffer, when they are asked, what they read, they answer, we are tired to read anything.
The trash they get from newspapers Magyar Hirlap, Nepszava, inforadio, MTI is having its effect.
How can a civilized country tolerate the Marfy archbishops, and reject Paul Krugman, Kim Scheppele, H. David Baer?
Where is the help?
Where is the Soros Open Society to end the racism and incitement of the Vona, Morvai, Orban clique?

Guest

A bit OT:
The German Spiegel magazine has a scathing report on the Gypsies’ situation in Gyöngyöspata, so if you can read German:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,820826,00.html
It contains interviews with Farkas János, Balázs Bea (one of the sacked journalists)and a teacher (on segregation in schools).

george
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Bowen
I have just found this site yesterday, so the George involved in earlier debates must have been someone else.
In my reading his sentence is more like a question, questioning public safety and common behaviour, he is not urging anyone to leave a child by the road, this must be clear for anyone who is familiar with the whole situation. In this article though, this sentence is used and twisted in a way, to serve the author’s aim.
As a contrast, on this very same site I have read an article about Mr Kertesz, he was praised by almost everyone here. He was referring hungarians as genetically defected PIGS, bathing their own sewage and yet no one was offended by his racist opinion. Interesting
Living with it in Hungary
I do not think that my standards are low, but the situation is real and more common in Hungary than you think. The chance to be killed during an event in which Mr Szogi was involved, is more than probable.

Bowen
Guest

George,
I don’t think everyone on this site praised Mr. Kertesz’s statements (which I think you’ve exaggerated a little bit). I don’t praise them. His statements bear the hallmarks of attention-seeking.
But anyway, what’s really interesting is that Mr. Kertesz didn’t advocate irresponsible violence against anyone. Didn’t advocate harming children. Yet, he has been the target of sustained criticism and abuse in the Hungarian media. He has been personally threatened, and his previous accolades have been stripped away. He believes he has had to take refuge in Canada, to escape all this.
Bayer, on the other hand, has been rewarded with positions of responsibility, and is allowed to say whatever he wants on TV or in print – whether it be about running over innocent kids, or childishly insulting senior European politicians. Of course, he’s allowed to do this, because it serves the Orban regime very nicely in stirring up hatred amongst the masses.
Interesting, isn’t it?

Eva S. Balogh
Guest

Bowen: “I don’t think everyone on this site praised Mr. Kertesz’s statements (which I think you’ve exaggerated a little bit).”
Indeed, no one did. It was an unfortunate statement. But, let’s not forget that other Hungarian luminaries also had some very harsh words to say about their own people. For example, Sándor Petőfi who talked about “submission of a dog” that can be associated with Hungarians. Not very nice, is it?

george
Guest

Bowen ,
From this point of view, yes but as I tried to explain I do not think he was urging anyone to hit Roma children, but painted a grotesque picture about Hungary’s sour reality. (your interpretation explains why I have picked this quote up,it is completely misleading without it’s whole content)
I have not exaggerated the statement a bit, sadly..
I think the difference is between the two, that in Mr Szogi’s case 99% of the citizens agreed, that the situation was not acceptable, even within the Roma population. In Mr Kertesz case 99% of the population was disgusted by the coward, back-stabbing mentality. If you make a statement like that, in any part of the world, you will get the same treatment I guess.

Bowen
Guest

George: “as I tried to explain I do not think he was urging anyone to hit Roma children”
You have swayed my argument completely George. Thank you very much.
Yet, I can’t help thinking that Zsolt Bayer must surely be a very frustrated writer if he can’t get across his views without people having to explain what he really meant.
However, given Bayer’s track record, you’ll agree that it is hardly surprising if some people might interpret his remarks as stigmatising and pro-violence.
In any case, to protect his innocence, and prevent his comments from further misinterpretation, I suggest Bayer retire immediately from journalism and find something else to while away his time on this planet. Knitting perhaps.
I am very sure that the anti-Roma movements and vigilantism that have occurred in places like Gyöngyöspata recently must pray heavily on his conscience. I’m surprised Bayer didn’t speak out against them, in fact – since he considers it his role to paint pictures about ‘Hungary’s sour reality’.

Guest
London Calling! Let’s get three things straight – even if it is a statement of the bleedin’ obvious: Driving away from the scene of an accident is a criminal offence; Advocating driving away from the scene of a crime is a criminal offence; Advocating driving away from the scene of a crime because it involves Roma is a hate crime. If this is said by anybody, let alone a politician, in a decent democratic society they should be prosecuted – the crime has already been committed. There we’ve got that straight now. I’m not sure who this protest statement is aimed at – but it carries a powerful message from what appears to be a large section of the Canadian diaspora. If you are lucky Orban may protest to the Canadian government about interfering with Hungary’s internal affairs – he may even invoke the UN charter for possibly stirring up dissent in another country. His siege mentality will almost certainly precipitate the wrong response. Did you consider sending it to the Hungarian Ambassador? It might have required an official response. You may be even more lucky that other parts of the diaspora will make their concerned statements – thus starting… Read more »
george
Guest

Vigilantism by the Romas? I guess you have seen CCTV footages? Have you?

riviera1
Guest

Must you demure, Mr. Kingfisher?
It is HATE crime.
You seem to lack a refined understanding of Hungarian
slyness and dissimulation. For instance, when Hungarian right wing tv stations were celebrating just a few weeks ago (I can’t remember what? Terror House’s 10th?) I watched and listened to the various pronouncements of “Communist-this” and “Communist-that” and it took me sometime to realize the code these right-wingers use, and understand among themselves: “Communist” is the politically correct way of saying “JEW”. After that, I realized why they mentioned ‘communist’ with such vehemence and frequency.
No, it’s HATE crime alright, and a very serious at that because
this government is advocating it and the mainstream ‘victims’ feel empowered by it. How best to elevate the stricken masses then to find the appropriate victims for them!–Lessons from Goebbels and Hitler…

riviera1
Guest

I’ve watched Tarantino’s latest so often that I’ve learned a new word: “becstelen”. I will use it for the first time here.
This ‘becstelen’ Hungarian government and Prime Minister
will, I’m sure, allow the most becstelen of Presidents to retain his position as soon as the knee-jerk, shaking-in-their-boots
professors (?!) of Debrecen U. (ranked somewhere around 677th among European Universities) come in with their
‘finding’, to whit: “The Right Honorable Schmitt Pal did nothing wrong. It is right in the mainstream of Hungarian
intellectual standards.” (ahem.)
I’m betting that he stays purely because NapOrbi loves to
shove it to one and all!

Living with it in Hungary
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Living with it in Hungary

@ george if you’re not calling for the resignation of these politicians or those politicians that would employ them, your standards are low. FWIW, I’ve seen the Guarda patrolling about and I’ve walked through the middle of anti-foreigner hate rallies (with my mouth shut) and I live with plenty of Roma in the neighbourhood. I’ll take the Roma any day over any of these others.

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