Party strife in Jobbik

I must say I didn’t pay much attention to an article that appeared on April 16 in HVG about the resignation of the entire Jobbik political leadership in the county of Borsod. If I had read it more carefully, I would have recognized the name of Zsolt Endrésik, the Jobbik county chairman and member of the Hungarian parliament, because in March 2010 I wrote an article about Endrésik and a fellow Jobbik politician, László Holcman, Jr. The article’s title was “A Jobbik két arca” (Two faces of Jobbik). The conclusion of the article was that although both men are extremists, Endrésik is less belligerent and somewhat more realistic about the current Hungarian political situation than Holcman.

Endrésik began his political career in MIÉP, but in 2003 he became disillusioned with MIÉP and politics in general. A few years later, however, he met Csanád Szegedi, currently a Jobbik member of the European Parliament, who “opened his eyes” and convinced him to return to politics, this time as one of the early leaders of Jobbik.

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Before anyone prematurely concludes that the party strife in Borsod is only a storm in a teapot I should mention that the county of Borsod is a Jobbik stronghold. It was here that the party managed to get 27.2% of all the votes cast, ahead of MSZP (15.9%) and second to Fidesz-KDNP with 47.9%. Both Endrésik and Holcman played critical roles in making these results possible. Today, they are against Gábor Vona and direction Jobbik is going. It also seems that Csanád Szegedi is no longer an idol of Endrésik. On the contrary, they seem to be the greatest of enemies. For the time being, Vona and Szegedi are winning. Zsolt Endrésik was expelled from the Jobbik parliamentary delegation and the party began proceedings for his exclusion from the party. The charge is collusion with Lajos Pősze, formerly Jobbik, today an independent member of parliament, and passing “false information” about the party to HVG.

If one can believe kuruc.info, the neo-Nazi Internet site, both accusations are correct. Someone, it seems, hacked into Endrésik’s gmail account and found plenty of evidence that Endrésik had contact with the “traitor” Pősze and also with HVG. From the exchanges among the participants it seems that some members of the party’s stronghold in Borsod view those leaders of the party recently in the limelight as belonging to the lunatic fringe.

Jobbik’s popularity hasn’t risen since the elections in spite of stories to the contrary. In fact, according to Tárki, in the last few months Jobbik has lost at least two or three percent of its voters. Although there are no regional polls, the Borsod Jobbik leaders sense that the popularity of the party has decreased in the county. They seem to blame Csanád Szegedi and Oszkár Juhász, the mayor of Gyöngyöspata, for this decline.

Although we didn’t discuss the case of Oszkár Juhász here, recently a tape surfaced on which one could clearly hear that Juhász and others are discussing the possibility of civil war “when the time is ripe.” When there is a good chance of winning that war. He also talked about the large sums of money that Jobbik is receiving from abroad. Although this might be empty boasting, it seems that there is a segment of the Jobbik leadership that is planning or at least expecting a civil war. Csanád Szegedi is one of them. He quite openly talks about such an eventuality. “If all remains the same, there is a real chance for a revolutionary situation.” Szegedi thinks big. That revolution, just as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, predicted, will sweep across Europe and from there to North America. For good measure he referenced the “shaman of Rábaköz” who “also predicted such a bloody event in the near future.” There was also mention of “the prophecy of Nyirka.” For those who don’t understand these references to pagan tradition and to the more modern Hungarian occult there is plenty of information about this nonsense online.

So, it seems to me that Endrésik belongs to the somewhat more moderate wing of Jobbik while the central leadership stands united behind Csanád Szegedi, i.e. the lunatic fringe. The messages of this lunatic fringe got as far as Brussels where Hannes Swoboda, leader of the socialist delegation in the European Parliament, noticed his fellow parliamentarian’s remarks and called on European public opinion “to fight against extremism in Europe.” He urged European politicians to raise their voices as soon as such extremist politicians express their unacceptable views.

Well, Szegedi is not easily intimidated. He declared that Swoboda “is talking nonsense.” He doesn’t know the real situation in Borsod. Naturally, he was talking about the large number of Roma in the county. He shouldn’t jabber about things he knows nothing about.

Two years ago when I did some research on Endrésik I found out that he taught in schools in which Roma children were in the majority. He even learned their language and had good relations with the parents of his students. According to Heti Válasz Endrésik doesn’t generalize about Gypsies as Szegedi does. Perhaps that is an element of what lies behind their differences. In any case, for the time being Endrésik is out and Szegedi is being supported by the Jobbik leadership.

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Pete H.
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Transcript of “civil war” tape here:
http://thecontrarianhungarian.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/scandalous-jobbik-civil-war-tapes-with-transcript-of-gyongyospata-mayors-remarks/
Many right-wing militias carry out paramilitary training, complete with weapons training. It is highly probable they are doing this in preparation for the revolution they imagine.
This group tracks these groups:
http://www.athenaintezet.eu/en/index/

bruno
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LwiiH
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The Athena side doesn’t look like it’s been active for months. Wasn’t this the work of that American fellow that got run out of the country? As an observation, the text on the site contains grammer and spelling mistakes typically made by Hungarian native speakers.
Strange coincidence. Last night in Spar, my wife pointed out this rough looking 30 year old women in black leather sporting some badge/crest on the front of her vest. I commented to my wife that she was some motorcycle mama. While trolling through the Athena site, I think I recognized her badge as that of the “Soldiers of the Defence Force”.

Eva Balogh
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To Bruno. I’m not saying that Endrésik is Mr. Democrat himself but that he is a tad less crazy than Szegedi, for example. My source for Endrésik was:
http://magyarnarancs.hu/belpol/a_jobbik_mint_harmadik_ero_-_ii_resz_-_a_tisztak-70740

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LwiiH: I believe the Athena site to be active~~there were items from April. Not sure about the details of the hate groups however. The site graphics have been updated since I was last there too. One question: who is ‘that American fellow that got run out of the country?’

Eva Balogh
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Gretchen: “One question: who is ‘that American fellow that got run out of the country?”
I suspect, Richard Field.

Pete H.
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Athena is active and it is not Richard Field’s organization. Field ran the American House Foundation.
Mostly Hungarians running Athena http://www.athenaintezet.eu/en/people/
There’s a Hungarian language side to the site also.

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Not really OT
On April 7, 2010 Eva wrote a lengthy entry on Albert Wass. Although I am very familiar with this anti-semite, I suggest to those who are not so on top of Hungarian literacy to rake a look on Eva’s entry:
http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungarianspectrum/2010/08/about-albert-wass.html
I just read that Albert Was in deed will be taught in Hungarian Schools, and not as something dreadful to stay away from, but as a mandatory Hungarian literatures subject. I think if I would still living in Hungary, I would pull my kids from the schools and look into ways to leave. I feel sorry for those who have to put up with this dumbing of their children.

An
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@Some1: I agree, it is appealing. I wonder how much this renaissance of Wass and antisemitism in today’s Hungary is because of the return of the Nazis. I mean, literally. A lot of Nazi-leaning Hungarians left the country after ww2, in the late 40s and the 50s, and they settled in the US and in Latin America. I sense there has been a strong subculture of Nazi-leaning ideology among the Hungarian emigrants (of course, not only right wing nuts left Hungary in those times, but a lot of other people too, practically anyone who couldn’t stomach the communist regime, so this group was just a part of the emigrant community). I guess what happened that these, let me just call them Hungarian Nazis, started to return to Hungary in the 1990s and started to revive all these crazy ideologies from the 40s. Of course, there were the home-grown antisemites, as well, like Csurka, who had been latent antisemites under communists, but in the 90s they too started to come out of the woodwork. So these two groups found each other. As Hungary was a democracy at the time, with freedom of speech, they could easily print their literature … they… Read more »
LwiiH
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yeah, Richard Field, thats the guy!!!.. ok I only say updates from Nov 2011 and missed the latest ones. Even so I’d say the site isn’t all that active.. certainly doesn’t reflect the rate that I’m unwittingly running into these extremists… 😉

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@An Wass popularity stems from the Transsylvania “cult” that goes back to the Kadar era. Erdely (Transsylvania) was always something like the heartland, something like the purest form of being Hungarian. The Hungarians in Romania were also majorly screwed by the Ceausescu regime so helping them was like some kind of very nobel patriotism. If you add Trianon to the mix (“give my mountains back”) your done. The patriotic Hungarian writer is ready for mass consumption. Who needs commies like Attila Jozsef? I only read the Funtinelli Witch from him. One thing is sure. The way he writes in Hungarian blew me away. The story not so much. I think it’s a bunch of romantic clichés. But your mileage may vary. The problem with Wass is basically is the same old problem we have discussed in this blog. The lack of self respect of the nation. At least this is the way I see it. You can like somebody’s books (and the Funtinelli Witch has absolutely no racism) but you don’t include the writer into the national curriculum if he was openly “nazi” that is an open sympathizer of the Hungarian Arrow Cross party (I think he was also a… Read more »
Pete H.
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