The hunters and the hunted: Kuruc.info’s list of anti-Hungarians

The first detailed description of the flashmob that took place in front of László Csatáry’s house on July 16 was published in Kanadai Magyar Hírlap. The author of the article was Eszter Garai-Édler, a participant, who was subsequently identified by some of the readers of kuruc.info. The threats against her have been relentless ever since. Two came from Béla Varga himself, who offered a bounty of 75,000 forints to the most diligent “informers” on the identities of the demonstration’s participants. One of the threatening letters was in English and ended with: “A friendly advice … . get life insurance.”

Soon enough some Hungarian-language newspapers and Internet sites reported on the flashmob organized by Jewish activists and sympathizers, but I couldn’t find anything in Magyar Nemzet, for example. Garai-Édler remarked in her story of the demonstration that the Hungarian media didn’t seem to be interested in their planned demonstration. Mostly foreign journalists were present. In fact, it was AFP that reported at length on the event. The articles all mentioned the harassment the organizers suffered after being identified on kuruc.info’s website.

The answer was an immediate counterattack by the editors of kuruc.info. The article entitled “Poor Jewish students are being harassed by the readers of Kuruc.info” was written in the inimitable style of this neo-Nazi site that leveled a personal attack against one of the organizers, Andrea Gergely of the Union of European Jewish Students. Kuruc.info was greatly offended that Gergely went to the police and demanded an investigation of  the website’s practice of listing e-mail addresses and telephone numbers of people whose political views they don’t like.

After Andrea Gergely’s visit to the police, the Union of Jewish Religious Communities (Mazsihisz) also filed a complaint at the Supreme Prosecutor’s Office because of the publication of personal data as well as the threats received by the identified participants.

Gábor Sajósi, Mrs. Ferenc Démeth, and Eszter Garai-Édler, Népszabadság, Miklós Teknős

One can no longer find any information on Facebook on either Andrea Gergely or Eszter Garai-Édler, two of the participants mentioned by name on kuruc.info. But even the less prominent members of the group severed their ties with the well known social networks. However, Garai-Édler talked at length to a reporter for Népszabadság. Although she was deeply shaken by the hundreds of threatening letters, phone calls, and ugly comments, she doesn’t regret her participation in the event. In fact, she felt that the reaction of the neo-Nazis clearly shows that there is need for such actions. “It tells a lot about the state of the country when certain people take up the cause of a former ghetto commander with such determination,” she added. Another person who was identified, Gábor Sajósi, was taking the whole affair in stride. As he said, nothing can surprise him anymore. According to kuruc.info, Sajósi  is “a true Gyurcsányist.” Garai-Édler considers herself to be committed to the values of liberal democracy and has been politically active, especially since the fall of 2009 when it became obvious that liberal democracy in Hungary was in crisis. As a civilian she has been responsible for several anti-government demonstrations. The third person on the photo, Mrs. Ferenc Démeth, was lucky. Kuruc.info activists didn’t manage to get her name.

The Jerusalem Post also visited kuruc.info and reported that the website is full of antisemitic imagery, including a Nazi hammer crushing the Star of David. The paper specifically quoted these passages: “They [the Jews] complain about various crimes when they are responsible for corrupting our country into communism and later into capitalism” and “They are responsible for the death of many thousands of Hungarians, for the emigration of hundreds of thousands, for the killing of six million fetuses….” I’m especially intrigued by the “killing of six million fetuses.”  The Post added that “the Hungarian embassy in Israel on Sunday declined to comment on the website.” I must say that the Hungarian foreign service personnel are an inept bunch. Surely, they could condemn the site in the strongest of terms and assure the Israeli journalists that the Hungarian government is doing everything it legally can to shut down the site. Assuming, of course, that it is.

According to Népszabadság, an official of the Ministry of Interior told the paper’s reporter that the Ministry had already requested the assistance of the FBI, the CIA , the U.S. Department of Justice, and the U.S. Embassy in Budapest. However, he refused to give any details about the Ministry’s own efforts at discovering the identities of the authors and editors of kuruc.info.

It is possible that the national security offices–there are several of them–have been hard at work identifying the men and women behind kuruc.info and the only reason for not divulging any information on the topic is caution. After all, any leaked information might interfere with the investigation. It is also possible, however, that the Hungarians simply dropped the whole problem into the lap of the American authorities. Viktor Orbán’s rather impertinent answer to the fifty U.S. congressmen’s letter would indicate that the Hungarian authorities weren’t overly concerned with kuruc.info. American server, American problem.

The real Béla Varga

Finally, Pusztaranger was correct.  Kurucwanted.blogspot wrongly identified the pictures. However, there still might be some connection between the two Vargas because the Californian Béla Varga is also from Mór. Moreover, he seems to have purchased a vineyard near the town. As for his association with Callaway Vineyard&Winery, it seems to have been of short duration. He is now the owner of Red Paprika, a deli in Healdsburg, California where he lives. Red Paprika seems to be a modest establishment because it is described by the sole reviewer of the business as “a little Hungarian store off the beaten path … a quaint little shop. I found a few items in here that were nice, and purchased some interesting tea that makes lovely iced tea, but for the most part, most of the items didn’t come across as totally unique.” As for the Béla Vargas on Facebook, there are absolutely hundreds of them. But Pusztaranger found two walls that most likely belong to him. On one of them we can find among his 150 friends György Budaházy, the man who is currently under indictment for terrorism. The other one seems to be newer, with fewer friends. Both are closed sites.

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Petofi1
July 24, 2012 6:28 pm

Hungarian citizens in Budapest have been threatened.
Isn’t that the responsibility of the
Hungarian government and police to investigate it?
How can Orban say it’s not his (Hungary’s) problem?

Seems like a classic case of abdication of responsibilty.
(Oh yes, I forgot: Jews are not ‘Hungarians’, they’re Isrealites.)

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b.v
July 24, 2012 6:46 pm

An elderly Hungarian man had been threteaned by a jewish mob. Who is being detained, held under house arrest, the innocent Hungarian elderly man, the flashmobbers don’t even get a parking ticket.
Seems like a classic case of double standard to me.
(Oh,yes, I forgot: the elderly man is a “Nazi”.)

Member
July 24, 2012 6:55 pm

b.v :
An elderly Hungarian man had been threteaned by a jewish mob. Who is being detained, held under house arrest, the innocent Hungarian elderly man, the flashmobbers don’t even get a parking ticket.
Seems like a classic case of double standard to me.
(Oh,yes, I forgot: the elderly man is a “Nazi”.)

Are you crazy b.v.? THe elderly man willingly participated in the killing and torture of hundreds of innocent children and adults. How can you call this monster innocent elderly man? You are out of your mind! Maybe some of the members of the “jewish mob” had their fathers and mothers killed by the actions of this bastard innocent elderly man. I wish your mother would experienced the faith that this innocent man brought onto many. Of course do not take offense, since he is innocent. (Of course he does not have a parking ticket, he is 96. THank goodness he does not drive.)

Member
July 24, 2012 7:05 pm

Ok, I think, we chatted enough with this dick. I’d say let’s leave him alone.

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esetleg szabad holnapra?
July 24, 2012 7:35 pm

Can everybody calm down?
The flashmob is ok.
The old man is a war criminal.
I think the task is to call flashmob 24/7 in front of the homes of
Vona
Morvai
Balczo
Szegedi
and the Gyontospata Oszkarka….

Member
July 24, 2012 7:58 pm

Mutt Damon :
Ok, I think, we chatted enough with this dick. I’d say let’s leave him alone.

It will be hard Mutt, but I will try.

No, if anyone wonders why many of us does not use our real names, they should just read Eva’s blog entry today. I have all the respect and admiration for Ms. Balogh, Ms Scheppele, and the few others who do dare to use their real names. (THis does not goes for the ones who support nazis, because obviously they have nothing to be afraid of).

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b.v
July 24, 2012 8:37 pm

Muutdamon&Co. Not so fast dummyboy. Actually, you really do think, you and your grouppies can get away with what you’re doing to a defenceless old men don’t you? Well, let me tell you pal, what goes around, comes around. Keep using aliases, since you’re so brave anonymously. Did you honestly fathom, that people will sit idly by while your intolerable kind crucify an elderly man just because your jewish types feel like it? Dream on honeybunch.

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b.v
July 24, 2012 8:41 pm

Some1-ka. You’re the bravest of all. I’ve gotta admit though, your nick is very imaginative. Did you patent it?

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koeszmeod
July 24, 2012 9:16 pm

b.v., thank you for visiting the Hungarian Spectrum. This is very frightening but in a way I think it is good that you are here and we can face your comments.
I know that we won’t be able to change your mind with arguments, but still let me tell you a less known fact about Mr. Csatary. Everyone mentions his role and behavior in 1944. Well, I read that there are witnesses from 1941. Mr Csatary was head of the passport department at the Hungarian police in Kassa. He sent 300 so called “alien Jews” to Kamanec-Podolsk. Those people were all murdered already in 1941 and Mr. Csatary knew this. This did not happen under German occupation. This was the diligent work of Mr Csatary and the Hungarian police under Horthy’s leadership. Mr. Csatary is not only a war criminal but also an important witness to the actions of the sovereign Hungarian state before German occupation.

Why do you think that someone who assisted in murdering Hungarian Jews is an innocent man? Please explain me. Why murdering children is not a sin?
Thank you

Guest
July 24, 2012 9:29 pm

koesmod: ” Well, I read that there are witnesses from 1941.’

Could you give some original sources?

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b.v
July 24, 2012 9:49 pm

Varangy.blogspot.com
“Eva S. Balogh, you are a stupid Communist old cunt, aren’t you? So, here is the skinny in this trite yet so important idiotic blogging game we play.”
Interesting material. Check into it.

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b.v
July 24, 2012 10:05 pm

koeszmeod., yes I guess it’s good that we exchange views on what had happened during the war. What I object vehemently to is the one-sided interpretation of historical events. It’s always been represented as if only the jews were subject to persecution. All that in the name of making money. how disgusting is that? As to the topic at hand. The jews had invented, introduced and implemented communism, terror in Hungary after WW1. I don’t mention what they’d done in Russia. The higher echelons of these regimes responsible for millions of peoples’ excrutiating deaths were jews. From A to Z. On the coattails of the Red army committing unspeakable atrocities in the occupied countries, they became their communist lackeys, terrorizing the local, indigenous populations. Let me ask you. Did you see any one of them hung after 1989? According to your logic, a war criminal can only be, whom the victors, in this instance the jews labeled to be one. How justified a behaviour! Cangoroo courts. AVH, full of jews. Tell me. Why should I give a rat’s ass about any one of them being interned during the war? They were our enemies. Aided our enemies. Became the governonrs of… Read more »

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b.v
July 24, 2012 10:13 pm

Oh, internment…if I’m not mistaken, the US and Canadian governments interned their “internal enemies of Japanese descent” without hesitation in a heartbeat. None received compensation for their pain and suffering.
The jews were openly hoping for the Allied victory. What normal country does not at least eliminate their presence as a fifth coloumn during wartime? Let’s not kid ourselves.

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b.v
July 24, 2012 10:33 pm

Ms. Balogh, “Mob? You must be kidding. Do you know the difference between a mob and a peaceful demonstration? The mob comes from your side. It was a mob that attacked the television station or was throwing rocks at the police and burned up cars.”

Did you pull this rabbit out of your friend Kinga Goncz’s hat? Everyone knows, that it was a staged intelligence mob scene orchestrated by gyurcsany&co. in order to justify unleashing subsequent unspeakable terror in the streets and prisons of Budapest by his “police”. Who are you kidding Ms. Balogh?
The flashmob kids were riled up by the crook Zuroff, who should have been banned from even entering the country., harrassed an elderly, frail man at home and when things turn ugly (let me translate it in plain hungarian for you…amikor a fagyi visszanyal), run for their lives, to the police, Attorney General and who knows where. They deserve what they’re getting. A lesson.

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b.v
July 24, 2012 10:38 pm

Some1 : “Are you crazy b.v.? THe elderly man willingly participated in the killing and torture of hundreds of innocent children and adults. How can you call this monster innocent elderly man? You are out of your mind! Maybe some of the members of the “jewish mob” had their fathers and mothers killed by the actions of this bastard innocent elderly man. I wish your mother would experienced the faith that this innocent man brought onto many. Of course do not take offense, since he is innocent. (Of course he does not have a parking ticket, he is 96. THank goodness he does not drive.)’

Alright Some1. Ask them. Let’s ask them, if any one of their forebears perished as a result of Mr. Csatary’s actions. Fair enough? I hope you support this endevour for clearing up this loose end of the story? How about that?

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koeszmeod
July 24, 2012 11:06 pm

b.v. Do I understand this well? You wrote “The jews were openly hoping for the Allied victory. What normal country does not at least eliminate their presence as a fifth coloumn during wartime?” Is it a sin in your eyes to hope for Allied victory? Does it mean that you justify what Hitler and his allies did?

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b.v
July 25, 2012 1:17 am

koeszmeod, You understood correctly. Hungary had to choose between two evils. A bad and a horrific. As it panned out the later prevailed. The Allies were our enemies, because they sided with the horrific. We knew what to expect should the jewish-bolshevik regime overrun the country (as history proved it hands down), we knew Europe had been carved up without the slightest consideration of borders, national self-determination, elections and such mundane, miscellanious hurdles by the Big Three. Oh, sorry they were not a bunch of war criminals and crooks. They were the victors.
Hitler fought for his nation tooth and nail. In no different manner than did the Brits or the Russians. It was a fight to the end of endurance. He lost. In the meantime though naturally tried to get rid of his internal enemies. The jews. Just like the Americans with the Japanese. How come you don’t get astonished about that little sideshow? Do you justify what the US government did to them?

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gdfxx
July 25, 2012 1:21 am

I am really shocked by this thread. Did kuruc.info take over this blog? I think if Eva wanted to demonstrate what these worms are capable of writing, she has done it. As far as I am concerned, I had enough.

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b.v
July 25, 2012 1:33 am

koeszmeod, may I also point out to you, that Hitler and Mussolini were the only ones, who overturned the completely unjust Trianon Treaty of 1920 forcing the artificial countries created by the victorious allies to cede stolen territory back to their rightful owner, Hungary. At the time the country was not in an enviable position. To the east, the jewish bolsheviks, to the west a powerful Germany. For years Hitler grumbled under his mustache, that while his panzers bleed to dry out east, in Budapest jews sit around in cafees rooting for bolshevism to win hoping that under their coattails they could subjugate the very nation, that gave them home. Do you know what hideous crimes these jews committed against defenceless, innocent civilians just in Hungary? Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn’t have posed your last question.

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b.v
July 25, 2012 1:39 am

gdfxx, you see what a little bit of education can do, even for the completely brainwashed like yourself? Eva demonstrated jackshit. The only thing she has demonstrated throughout her life has been her ceaseless anti-hungarianism and pro-zionism. Don’t leave, hang around, you may have some other tidbits to stick.

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Karl Pfeifer
July 25, 2012 1:59 am

Eva, please delete the nazi scribblings of b.v. He should publish his dirt where it belongs but not here.

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Kirsten
July 25, 2012 2:31 am

gdfxx :
I am really shocked by this thread. Did kuruc.info take over this blog? I think if Eva wanted to demonstrate what these worms are capable of writing, she has done it. As far as I am concerned, I had enough.

I fully agree.

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July 25, 2012 3:19 am

Me too – unbelievable!

Now if anyone tells me “There are no more Nazis any more” …

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Lutra lutra
July 25, 2012 3:20 am

So much hate from such a little man, this b.v. If he feels that Csatáry’s rights to privacy and dignity were being abused according to the Criminal Code, why not fund this “defenceless” little old suspected mass-murderer the same way as occurred with neo-fascist “freedom.fighters” such as Budaházy? Unless, of course, he doesn’t really give a flying one about this guy’s fate and is only interested in peddling his bitter, bigoted and anachronistic views.

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Paul
July 25, 2012 3:25 am

Eva, the foul and perverted rantings of ‘bv’ contribute nothing to this blog or any sane discussion of these issues – except to remind us of just how insane and dangerous many Fidesz-Jobbik supporters are (and we don’t need his corruption of this blog to know that, the web is already full of such filth). Enough is more than enough.

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LwiiH
July 25, 2012 4:28 am

@Eva, I appreciate your hands off comments approach but in this case the troll’s comments should really be deleted. I did a wee bit of poking about… https://www.domainsbyproxy.com/Default.aspx is hiding the identity of kuruc.org, the website that is actually providing content. These guys are in Scottsdale Az. Cloudflaire doesn’t host, it is what’s known as a content delivery network. This places content closer to the users of the site. That said, I did get some information that the server(s) is/are actually located in Europe. domainsbyproxy advertises this policy. “But don’t even think about using our service to spam, violate the law, or engage in morally objectionable activities.” kuruc.info uses Google mail. They are also registered on feedburner. http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Kurucinfo. As well I found a link to iwiw.hu which is definitively a Hungarian registered website. If memory serves me, they are hosted in the US. I don’t have an iwiw account so can’t comment on where that link leads to. I can also say that they are running off of a MS Windows server (so it wouldn’t be hard to bring it down for a while if one were so inclined to do so ;-)) There is an interesting link to http://median.hu/… Read more »

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LwiiH
July 25, 2012 4:36 am

I did a little bit of digging about but then my posting seems to have been lost… too bad. Findings
1) Cloudflaire is a CDN and doesn’t actually host
2) kuruc.org provides a lot of the content and it’s details are hidden by a proxy company in Scottsdale. That company has a policy against objectionable or immoral uses of the proxy.
3) There is a hint that the servers are actually located in Europe.
4) There is a strange connection with median.hu.
5) It’s connected to iwiw.hu
6) Server runs MS windows
7) appears to have a healthy amount of traffic and has a current value of just over $1,000,000 (not sure how that valuation was arrived at).

This was done with a little bit of snooping about… A real check would uncover a lot more so it seems as if no one is interested or……

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petofi
July 25, 2012 4:47 am

b.v :
Muutdamon&Co. Not so fast dummyboy. Actually, you really do think, you and your grouppies can get away with what you’re doing to a defenceless old men don’t you? Well, let me tell you pal, what goes around, comes around. Keep using aliases, since you’re so brave anonymously. Did you honestly fathom, that people will sit idly by while your intolerable kind crucify an elderly man just because your jewish types feel like it? Dream on honeybunch.

Mr. non-anonymous b.v.,

You’re obviously of the Fidesz/KDNP stripe, hence religiously
Christian. So, let’s get back to the Bible: do you know this?
“An eye for an eye”?
So, let’s build a gas chamber in Debrecen. Put Csatary in a cattle car on the warmest day of summer; and put that vile, disgusting old man in their and ship him to the same fate he sent 15,000 women, children and old/young men.

Chapary got to be 97: the people he stuffed into cattle-cars in 1944 did not.

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