The hunters and the hunted: Kuruc.info’s list of anti-Hungarians

The first detailed description of the flashmob that took place in front of László Csatáry’s house on July 16 was published in Kanadai Magyar Hírlap. The author of the article was Eszter Garai-Édler, a participant, who was subsequently identified by some of the readers of kuruc.info. The threats against her have been relentless ever since. Two came from Béla Varga himself, who offered a bounty of 75,000 forints to the most diligent “informers” on the identities of the demonstration’s participants. One of the threatening letters was in English and ended with: “A friendly advice … . get life insurance.”

Soon enough some Hungarian-language newspapers and Internet sites reported on the flashmob organized by Jewish activists and sympathizers, but I couldn’t find anything in Magyar Nemzet, for example. Garai-Édler remarked in her story of the demonstration that the Hungarian media didn’t seem to be interested in their planned demonstration. Mostly foreign journalists were present. In fact, it was AFP that reported at length on the event. The articles all mentioned the harassment the organizers suffered after being identified on kuruc.info’s website.

The answer was an immediate counterattack by the editors of kuruc.info. The article entitled “Poor Jewish students are being harassed by the readers of Kuruc.info” was written in the inimitable style of this neo-Nazi site that leveled a personal attack against one of the organizers, Andrea Gergely of the Union of European Jewish Students. Kuruc.info was greatly offended that Gergely went to the police and demanded an investigation of  the website’s practice of listing e-mail addresses and telephone numbers of people whose political views they don’t like.

After Andrea Gergely’s visit to the police, the Union of Jewish Religious Communities (Mazsihisz) also filed a complaint at the Supreme Prosecutor’s Office because of the publication of personal data as well as the threats received by the identified participants.

Gábor Sajósi, Mrs. Ferenc Démeth, and Eszter Garai-Édler, Népszabadság, Miklós Teknős

One can no longer find any information on Facebook on either Andrea Gergely or Eszter Garai-Édler, two of the participants mentioned by name on kuruc.info. But even the less prominent members of the group severed their ties with the well known social networks. However, Garai-Édler talked at length to a reporter for Népszabadság. Although she was deeply shaken by the hundreds of threatening letters, phone calls, and ugly comments, she doesn’t regret her participation in the event. In fact, she felt that the reaction of the neo-Nazis clearly shows that there is need for such actions. “It tells a lot about the state of the country when certain people take up the cause of a former ghetto commander with such determination,” she added. Another person who was identified, Gábor Sajósi, was taking the whole affair in stride. As he said, nothing can surprise him anymore. According to kuruc.info, Sajósi  is “a true Gyurcsányist.” Garai-Édler considers herself to be committed to the values of liberal democracy and has been politically active, especially since the fall of 2009 when it became obvious that liberal democracy in Hungary was in crisis. As a civilian she has been responsible for several anti-government demonstrations. The third person on the photo, Mrs. Ferenc Démeth, was lucky. Kuruc.info activists didn’t manage to get her name.

The Jerusalem Post also visited kuruc.info and reported that the website is full of antisemitic imagery, including a Nazi hammer crushing the Star of David. The paper specifically quoted these passages: “They [the Jews] complain about various crimes when they are responsible for corrupting our country into communism and later into capitalism” and “They are responsible for the death of many thousands of Hungarians, for the emigration of hundreds of thousands, for the killing of six million fetuses….” I’m especially intrigued by the “killing of six million fetuses.”  The Post added that “the Hungarian embassy in Israel on Sunday declined to comment on the website.” I must say that the Hungarian foreign service personnel are an inept bunch. Surely, they could condemn the site in the strongest of terms and assure the Israeli journalists that the Hungarian government is doing everything it legally can to shut down the site. Assuming, of course, that it is.

According to Népszabadság, an official of the Ministry of Interior told the paper’s reporter that the Ministry had already requested the assistance of the FBI, the CIA , the U.S. Department of Justice, and the U.S. Embassy in Budapest. However, he refused to give any details about the Ministry’s own efforts at discovering the identities of the authors and editors of kuruc.info.

It is possible that the national security offices–there are several of them–have been hard at work identifying the men and women behind kuruc.info and the only reason for not divulging any information on the topic is caution. After all, any leaked information might interfere with the investigation. It is also possible, however, that the Hungarians simply dropped the whole problem into the lap of the American authorities. Viktor Orbán’s rather impertinent answer to the fifty U.S. congressmen’s letter would indicate that the Hungarian authorities weren’t overly concerned with kuruc.info. American server, American problem.

The real Béla Varga

Finally, Pusztaranger was correct.  Kurucwanted.blogspot wrongly identified the pictures. However, there still might be some connection between the two Vargas because the Californian Béla Varga is also from Mór. Moreover, he seems to have purchased a vineyard near the town. As for his association with Callaway Vineyard&Winery, it seems to have been of short duration. He is now the owner of Red Paprika, a deli in Healdsburg, California where he lives. Red Paprika seems to be a modest establishment because it is described by the sole reviewer of the business as “a little Hungarian store off the beaten path … a quaint little shop. I found a few items in here that were nice, and purchased some interesting tea that makes lovely iced tea, but for the most part, most of the items didn’t come across as totally unique.” As for the Béla Vargas on Facebook, there are absolutely hundreds of them. But Pusztaranger found two walls that most likely belong to him. On one of them we can find among his 150 friends György Budaházy, the man who is currently under indictment for terrorism. The other one seems to be newer, with fewer friends. Both are closed sites.

138 comments

  1. Kovach: “You denigrate everybody who disagrees with you and call them “Jobbik” lackeys or fascists.”
    I would like to see just one example for that assertion

    Dr Balogh, time to take memory enhancing pills. See your July 4 posting # 22 :Louis Kovach :
    No, I am NOT a FIDESZ supporter!
    Perhaps Jobbik?</blockquote

  2. Louis Kovach :

    Kovach: “You denigrate everybody who disagrees with you and call them “Jobbik” lackeys or fascists.”
    I would like to see just one example for that assertion

    Dr Balogh, time to take memory enhancing pills. See your July 4 posting # 22 :Louis Kovach :
    No, I am NOT a FIDESZ supporter!
    Perhaps Jobbik?</blockquote

    I’m afraid you can’t even read. Am I calling your here a Jobbik lackey or fascist? This is an interrogative not an affirmative sentence. I’m simply asking.

  3. Kovach, you are pathetic. By reading your posts everybody here is 120% convinced that you ARE a FIDESZ true believer and your sneaky, anti-semitism also suggests strong JOBBIK sympathy. You can deny it but based on what you write, you are a very close match buddy.

    But many times your comments simply don’t make sense. The main guiding principle seems to be some kind of agenda against professor Balogh. If she would write about the sunny weather you would google up something about thunderstorms that also happened in Israel. You are what you write – don’t kid yourself.

  4. Some 1 – I believe that I have made myself abundantly clear re: Red Mud Disaster. I have answered your suggestion why I do not want to get involved into problem solving brain storming, and I find your comments rude and dismissive.
    Just for the record: My suggestion was for a “specific disaster”, to reach as many people as possible at a shortest possible time. My idea was (on this blog) that every online newspaper should display (at the top right hand corner)he major fund-raisers: banks, Red Cross, Churches and the Priests etc. direct account numbers, addresses etc. to give readers (outside Hungary) the choice to donate directly to a “specific disaster”……and this is EXACTLY what they did…..and IT WORKED!

    Re: kurucinfo
    By jailing those who are responsible for the articles would not solve the problem, only proving them wrong would…..and the sooner the better!

  5. latefor: “By jailing those who are responsible for the articles would not solve the problem, only proving them wrong would…..and the sooner the better!”

    How do you propose doing that?

  6. gdfxx – “How do you propose doing that?”
    There is a saying: “Once burnt twice shy”!
    Obviously, what you are doing solving the problem of anti-Semitism is NOT working. Time for a different approach.

  7. latefor :
    gdfxx – “How do you propose doing that?”
    There is a saying: “Once burnt twice shy”!
    Obviously, what you are doing solving the problem of anti-Semitism is NOT working. Time for a different approach.

    So, what’s the answer to my question?

  8. Louis Kovach :
    Dr Balogh: “I’m afraid you can’t even read. Am I calling your here a Jobbik lackey or fascist? ”
    I can read you very well Dr Balogh!

    This guy sounds like lieutenant Dub, although he is less funny…

  9. gdfxx – “So, what’s the answer to my question?”

    “There is a saying: “Once burnt twice shy”!
    Obviously, what you are doing solving the problem of anti-Semitism is NOT working. Time for a different approach.” …….is the answer to your question.

  10. latefor :
    Some 1 – I believe that I have made myself abundantly clear re: Red Mud Disaster. I have answered your suggestion why I do not want to get involved into problem solving brain storming, and I find your comments rude and dismissive.
    Just for the record: My suggestion was for a “specific disaster”, to reach as many people as possible at a shortest possible time. My idea was (on this blog) that every online newspaper should display (at the top right hand corner)he major fund-raisers: banks, Red Cross, Churches and the Priests etc. direct account numbers, addresses etc. to give readers (outside Hungary) the choice to donate directly to a “specific disaster”……and this is EXACTLY what they did…..and IT WORKED!
    Re: kurucinfo
    By jailing those who are responsible for the articles would not solve the problem, only proving them wrong would…..and the sooner the better!

    I am not sure wghat part was rude and dismissive. Honest. I am simply saying that it i Orban that can do something, and I do not agree with you or with others who believe that it is the average Joe who can solve this problem by reporting kuricinfo’s hate agenda to a particular server’s host as they would simply move on an other server. THe solution is with the governement.
    I am sorry to say that not everyone read Eva’s blog, so the links to donation sites did not start to appear because you posted this on Eva’s blog. I agree that some people may thought of it after reading your entry, but taking full credit for it is a ‘bit overdoing.
    I appreciate your passion and conviction to such cause as I feel the same about humanitarian issues. I did not mean to offend yoe, but I just do not agree. I am not sure how to coat my opinion that is differnt from yours so it would not offend you. I do 100% agree with your motivation and the sentiment, but I dnot agree with how you think moving about it. Sorry if that is offensive.

  11. Louis Kovach :
    Dr Balogh: “I’m afraid you can’t even read. Am I calling your here a Jobbik lackey or fascist? ”
    I can read you very well Dr Balogh!

    Well as you said you are not a Fidesz supporter. You absolutely not MSZP or LMP supporter, as you support Horthy, and nazi writers, you speak up for criminals (except if they were communists). You have some murky nationalistic stance on true Hungarians, and you never really finished your answers regarding that subject.
    I am sorry but that lives us believe that you support the theories of Jobbik or something slightly less or worse. Maybe Eva asked you, but most of us do not need to ask that question no more.

  12. latefor :
    gdfxx – “So, what’s the answer to my question?”
    “There is a saying: “Once burnt twice shy”!
    Obviously, what you are doing solving the problem of anti-Semitism is NOT working. Time for a different approach.” …….is the answer to your question.

    I don’t understand a single word of what you’re saying.
    Do you want to continue the chat with Bela Varga to see if you can convince him?

  13. latefor :
    gdfxx – “So, what’s the answer to my question?”
    “There is a saying: “Once burnt twice shy”!
    Obviously, what you are doing solving the problem of anti-Semitism is NOT working. Time for a different approach.” …….is the answer to your question.

    Well, this is not an answer. If you have an idea of a different approach, describe it, please. That would be an answer.

    By the way, I doubt that the problem of antisemitism can be solved by any blog. It requires education of the population starting in school, to try to eradicate the various levels of antisemitism children are indoctrinated into by their parents. This blog’s author and most of its contributors are just decrying what the present government is doing to deepen the existing antisemitism instead of combating it.

  14. Some1 said:” I am sorry to say that not everyone read Eva’s blog, so the links to donation sites did not start to appear because you posted this on Eva’s blog. I agree that some people may thought of it after reading your entry, but taking full credit for it is a ‘bit overdoing.”

    Had my personal motivation been “taking full credit” for the idea than I would have said something two years ago, BUT I did not. (Believe it or not, this is how an “average Joe” thinks, to my great misfortune, I might add).My comment re: the Red Mud Disaster was NOT ego driven.
    Re: kurucinfo – In my experience, the “average Hungarian Christian Joe” is sick of being called an anti-Semite and the “average Hungarian Jewish Joe “is also had it with being called an anti-Hungarian. If both sides will go on name calling, there will be no solution to this problem. If you don’t agree with me (although I’ll be surprised) I will except it…and life goes on…..after all, we had a good chat!

  15. Mutt Damon said:
    “I don’t understand a single word of what you’re saying.
    Do you want to continue the chat with Bela Varga to see if you can convince him?”

    No, I do not want you to chat with Bela Varga, but I would seriously start chatting with the 100.000 readers per hour of kurucinfo.

  16. @enuff:

    “Maygar! (I call him like this because he’s not worth being called a magyar …) is a clear-cut Nazi, so you should ignore him totally – unless you’re in a good mood and want to have a look into some abyss.

    Sometimes I like to make fun of him so I’ve been called a Mischling and he answers me “Put back on your yellow star” – of course he doesn’t understand that I would be proud to have some Jewish (or Hungarian, Italian, whatever) roots …

    These crazy rantings (and he’s not the only Nazi there: HHxx, Géza and others are of the same ilk) can only be understood from a psychiatrist’s viewpoint I think.

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