Gábor Vona’s letter to Congressman Joseph Crowley

Gábor Vona, Varánus.blog.hu

You may recall that back in June I published a facsimile of a letter sent by fifty U.S. congressmen to Viktor Orbán expressing their concern over the growing antisemitism in Hungary. In addition, the letter called attention to the treatment of  homosexuals, specifically mentioning the employment of Róbert Alföldi, director of the Hungarian National Theater. The letter also called attention to the discrimination against  the Roma population. The man who initiated sending this letter was Joseph Crowley, a Democrat from the State of New York.

The letter was actually criticized by some people in Hungary as putting the blame for the rise of antisemitism exclusively on Jobbik, the party of the extreme right in Hungary, when the current Hungarian government should share in the blame.

All that was detailed in a post entitled “Letters back and forth: Will they change the course of events in Hungary?” Here I’m publishing a letter by Gábor Vona, the party chief of Jobbik, to Congressman Crowley. It seems that Vona felt compelled to react to the contents of  the letter and to teach Joseph Crowley a thing or two. The letter is published verbatim, with all its grammatical errors. I think this letter says a lot about Jobbik and its leaders.

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Mr. Joseph Crowley

Member of Congress

United States House of Representatives

Washington. DC

Budapest-11 July, 2012

Dear Congressman Crowley,

The predominant part of the letter written by you and forty-nine other representatives to Viktor Orban is related to Jobbik and what the Prime Minister should do to subdue us.

First of all, I would like to remind you that nearly one million people’s vote legitimize us in the Hungarian public life which we have gained in a democratic election in 2010, and according to the polls our popularity has only been increasing ever since. You do not mean that all these people in our country are extremists or racist citizens, do you? It was not Jobbik that you insulted, excluded and stigmatized but our voters; which not only was an irresponsible act but a serious self-contradiction, as well, since you have just ignored your own values you referred to.

I am sorry that your Budapest representation has forgotten to inform you that in the Hungarian parliamentary democracy, just like in the US, every party is responsible for itself. We do not write a letter to Barack Hussein Obama because of Councilman Charles Barron of New York, likewise a Democratic Party member, who, during his competition for Congress on the 11th of June lost against his opponent, stated earlier: “the Gaza Strip is a virtual death camp, the same kind of conditions the Nazis imposed on the Jews “.

In your letter, you logically refer to the Anti-Defamation League since this organization, together with the pro-Israel lobbies, provides the largest share of the funding for your political campaigns. Thus, we understand your diligence that as a superpower you must act to please the league in matters such as the homosexuality of the theatre director Róbert Alföldi, which must obviously be deeply troubling for the American people.

We–and the peoples of the world–are more concerned that after having destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan and caused the death of hundreds of thousands, you will do the same with Iran, who has not initiated a war against any country for centuries; just because Israel commands you to pretend that Teheran possesses nuclear weapons. And it is not only the Muslim world with its 1.3 billion population but all the benevolent peoples of the Earth who are equally worried that you provide an annual support of 3.5 billion dollars for your strategic ally, Israel who, according to former president James Carter, operates an apartheid system that kills thousands of civilians sometimes in Lebanon other times in Palestine.

If the representatives are interested in the politics of Jobbik, I will be very pleased to present you the reality. I would like to tell you in advance that in Jobbik’s political agenda or bills there is not one single point that would make a distinction between citizens by their religion or race. In fact, we are the only party in Hungary that has constantly been arguing to have the same rules and laws applied for everyone, and that no one should be treated with either negative or positive discrimination. I hope that I will be able to personally change your surprising anti-democratic views that condemn people for their political affiliation or Hungarian nationality. I also hope that I can draw your attention to the truly intolerable situation of Hungarian minorities living in the neighboring countries and tormented by chauvinism, as well as to the present vulnerable and exploited state of our truncated motherland. I am convinced that your sensitivity and sympathy for the prostrate and the down-trodden would certainly prompt you to support our cause after learning the hardships of Hungary.

Yours sincerely,

Vona Gábor

President of Jobbik

Leader of Parlamentary Group Jobbik

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Karl Pfeifer
July 31, 2012 3:50 pm

Thanks Eva for publishing this. Orbán has told the congressmen, they should forbid the servers in the USA to have kuruc info as client. Vona gives an important lesson to those Hungarians who claim Jobbik is a democratic party and a possible coalition partner of Fidesz in the near future.

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Ms KKA
July 31, 2012 4:09 pm

Wha…..? Please tell me that this is a Bing translation of Vona’s Hungarian!!

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Bowen
July 31, 2012 4:23 pm

Here’s a quick quiz. One of these sentences is probably not true. Can you guess what it is?

1) “In Jobbik’s political agenda or bills there is not one single point that would make a distinction between citizens by their religion or race. In fact, we are the only party in Hungary that has constantly been arguing to have the same rules and laws applied for everyone, and that no one should be treated with either negative or positive discrimination.”

2) Jobbik said in a statement that only people with a primary-level education should be allowed to vote, to prevent the impoverished, illiterate population (i.e. Roma) from voting.

3) Gabor Vona, on the Euro (gay) Games being held in Budapest: “God is my witness, it’s not some kind of homophobia but merely common decency that makes me say that this really is the end of the world.”

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Pete H.
July 31, 2012 4:30 pm

” In fact, we are the only party in Hungary that has constantly been arguing to have the same rules and laws applied for everyone, and that no one should be treated with either negative or positive discrimination.”

Wow this great! Seems Vona has stated that he has changed Jobbik’s platform to allow gay marriage, adoptions by gays, both Roma and non-Roma kids will get to go to the boarding schools he has proposed, and he no longer believes in “Gypsy crime” as a special category of crime. Who knows maybe in his next letter to a US congressional member will include a statement about welcoming Jews into his party?

Hey Vona’s party doesn’t even discriminate against suspected war criminals. Recently, his deputy chairmen, Előd Novák, joined the Guards of the Carpathian Homeland (Kárpát Haza Őrei Mozgalom) in a pro-László Csatáry rally.

What a fine group of progressive politicians!

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nyaripal
July 31, 2012 4:31 pm

Well I’ve read a lot worse Hungarian English – some of it on here – so I think having a go at him for his English is a bit silly. How many of us native English speakers could write such a letter in Hungarian?

And it’s hard to argue against the points he makes on the US and Israel. I’m no apologist for Fidesz-Jobbik, in fact very far from it, but as long as Israel continues to behave as it does, and as long as the US continues its vast and unconditional support for such a rogue and apartheid country, the loonies of this world will always have strong ‘arguments’ on their side and willing recruits.

As I have said before, Israel and the US provide the terrorists and the loonies with the oxygen of ‘justification’.

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Wondercat
July 31, 2012 4:44 pm

The United States has earned, in many people’s opinion, a reputation as a greedy bully — and its representatives often seem happy to point out the mote in others’ eyes whilst ignoring the beam in their own.

Not, of course, that one wrong excuses another. If Hungarian politics are on the wrong track they should be set onto the right one, regardless of the crimes of American politics. However, some exasperation with those who preach water but guzzle wine is understandable, even forgivable.

Vona could have been more concise, to be sure. “Mind your own business, Representative Crowley,” would have sufficed.

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gdfxx
July 31, 2012 5:09 pm

nyaripal :
Well I’ve read a lot worse Hungarian English – some of it on here – so I think having a go at him for his English is a bit silly. How many of us native English speakers could write such a letter in Hungarian?
And it’s hard to argue against the points he makes on the US and Israel. I’m no apologist for Fidesz-Jobbik, in fact very far from it, but as long as Israel continues to behave as it does, and as long as the US continues its vast and unconditional support for such a rogue and apartheid country, the loonies of this world will always have strong ‘arguments’ on their side and willing recruits.
As I have said before, Israel and the US provide the terrorists and the loonies with the oxygen of ‘justification’.

This position is the same with those who claim that we (the US) deserved 9/11, actually that we provoked it.

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July 31, 2012 5:10 pm

London Calling!

Only one problem Vona that you ignore: Iran has already publicly declared that they will destroy Israel when/if it can.

Interesting that he refers to the President by including his middle name: “Barack Hussein Obama” – and no one else’s. It’s racist of course.

“And we’ve asked Csanád Szegedi to stand down – not because of his Jewish ancestry – oh no – we’re not Anti-Semites – but because he tried to bribe someone”

http://www.politics.hu/20120731/jobbik-asks-szegedi-to-step-down-following-euro-mps-disclosure-of-jewish-roots/#commentbottom

A thoroughly nasty politician in a thoroughly nasty party.

The warped logic and the sinister undertones shame Hungary in the eyes of the world – and he alleges he speaks for 10% of the populace.

It does you no good, Hungary.

(I was just thinking about the many ethnic groups that have been on show at the Olympics here in London – all those different melting pot ethnic smiling happy people that make up London – Hungarians must wonder how we live so closely – and in the main – so peacefully? It’s due to our tolerance and equal treatment of everyone. Maybe you will understand the importance of the political climate? Or maybe not.)

Regards

Charlie

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nyaripal
July 31, 2012 5:44 pm

“This position is the same with those who claim that we (the US) deserved 9/11, actually that we provoked it.”

How on earth can you justify this crazy statement? In no way do I believe this or support anyone else with this view (nor simmilar views on the 7/7 bombings in the UK). But the way Israel behaves and the results of that behaviour are facts, not opinions – ditto the support given by the US. Their actions may not create terrorism, or justify it, but they certainly fuel it.

Instead of leaping to such an easy response, why not stop to consider why the US gives unconditional support to Israel and whether it should? And while you’re ast it, why not read up on Israel’s behaviou toward the Palestinians (both in the occupied territories and Israel’s own citizens)? You won’t find this too difficult, there are plenty of sources out there.

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nyaripal
July 31, 2012 5:48 pm

Charlie – I’m not sure of the veracity of this, but apparently there are actually more countries of the world represented in the population of London than there are taking part in the Olympics!

I’m not proud of much about the UK, but, if this is true, I am very proud indeed to come from such a country and such a city.

Member
July 31, 2012 6:06 pm

Returning to the original subject to me it seems this greedy evil bastard USA is stepping up against the racism in Hungary while 500 thousand of our citizens are happily marching behind the biggest anti-Semites. I’d say get the f* the USA for now. We have things to do at home. We should not bash again the ones who do the job for us.

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LwiiH
July 31, 2012 6:21 pm

nyaripal :
Well I’ve read a lot worse Hungarian English – some of it on here – so I think having a go at him for his English is a bit silly. How many of us native English speakers could write such a letter in Hungarian?

Humm, a leader of a national party writing a letter to a US congressman wouldn’t bother to have the letter vetted by a native english speaker… compared to gramatical mistakes on a blog… I get your point… shame on us.

What I like is the comment that Iran hasn’t started a war for centuries. Hummm, ok, the Persian Gulf war was technically started by Iraq but it you go a back a few years you see Iraq’s military out and about grabbing territory from it’s much weaker neighbours. A number of clashes with Russia.. some started by Iran, some started by Russia.

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Petofi1
July 31, 2012 6:33 pm

nyaripal : Well I’ve read a lot worse Hungarian English – some of it on here – so I think having a go at him for his English is a bit silly. How many of us native English speakers could write such a letter in Hungarian? And it’s hard to argue against the points he makes on the US and Israel. I’m no apologist for Fidesz-Jobbik, in fact very far from it, but as long as Israel continues to behave as it does, and as long as the US continues its vast and unconditional support for such a rogue and apartheid country, the loonies of this world will always have strong ‘arguments’ on their side and willing recruits. As I have said before, Israel and the US provide the terrorists and the loonies with the oxygen of ‘justification’. It would be nice if people would bother to figure out a few things rather than look to their preferred ‘experts’ to direct their thinking. Back when… Barak gave Arafat a peace deal that was unprecedented. I forget the year. Arafat was stuck. It was difficult to reject on reasonable grounds. Finally, he came up with ‘the right of return’ as a… Read more »

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Petofi1
July 31, 2012 6:44 pm

Wondercat : The United States has earned, in many people’s opinion, a reputation as a greedy bully — and its representatives often seem happy to point out the mote in others’ eyes whilst ignoring the beam in their own. Not, of course, that one wrong excuses another. If Hungarian politics are on the wrong track they should be set onto the right one, regardless of the crimes of American politics. However, some exasperation with those who preach water but guzzle wine is understandable, even forgivable. Vona could have been more concise, to be sure. “Mind your own business, Representative Crowley,” would have sufficed. “Mind your own business”..huh? Nice. Read much history lately? America had to be dragged screaming and fighting into both world wars. Without their involvement, the world would have a certain nazi tinge to it. And yet, short-sighted nincompoops keep repeating idiotic, Soviet, disinformation about American economic imperialism and the like. Tell me, what kind of ‘markets’ must the US win to make up the hundreds of billions of dollars they spent in Iraq? American imperialism, huh? Any of you geniuses ever hear of the Marshall Plan? What about the rebuilding of Japan? Hmmm, no big deal: the… Read more »

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Dubious
July 31, 2012 8:20 pm

I think that the discussions regarding Palestine, Israel and American imperialism, as interesting as they are, are playing right into Vona’s hands.

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gdfxx
July 31, 2012 9:36 pm

nyaripal : “This position is the same with those who claim that we (the US) deserved 9/11, actually that we provoked it.” How on earth can you justify this crazy statement? In no way do I believe this or support anyone else with this view (nor simmilar views on the 7/7 bombings in the UK). But the way Israel behaves and the results of that behaviour are facts, not opinions – ditto the support given by the US. Their actions may not create terrorism, or justify it, but they certainly fuel it. Instead of leaping to such an easy response, why not stop to consider why the US gives unconditional support to Israel and whether it should? And while you’re ast it, why not read up on Israel’s behaviou toward the Palestinians (both in the occupied territories and Israel’s own citizens)? You won’t find this too difficult, there are plenty of sources out there. It seems that I keep getting into discussions that belong to other blogs. However, this requires a response. The way Israel behaves, although I don’t agree with everything they do, has easy explanations. It is a country that is surrounded by people who do not want… Read more »

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Some1
July 31, 2012 10:09 pm

nyaripal : Well I’ve read a lot worse Hungarian English – some of it on here – so I think having a go at him for his English is a bit silly. How many of us native English speakers could write such a letter in Hungarian? Well at least I do not have to apologize either to Kovacs or to Nyaripal for my impulse posts that I do not even spell-check. THen again I do not send my posts to congress members and want my opinion to be considered by them. Heck, I am not even an elected representative of Hungary. I guess when the time comes to send an official letter, I will not only read it through, but maybe ask some of my editor friends to check it. If I would represent a political party, I would even consider to pay for such service. (By the way when the sewer needed to be cleaned out on our street and I sent an email to the city I asked my daughter (who won several English awards and had the highest English mark in her grade) to proof the letter just in case. I expect from an elected politician at… Read more »

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Some1
July 31, 2012 10:13 pm

nyaripal :
And it’s hard to argue against the points he makes on the US and Israel. I’m no apologist for Fidesz-Jobbik, in fact very far from it, but as long as Israel continues to behave as it does, and as long as the US continues its vast and unconditional support for such a rogue and apartheid country, the loonies of this world will always have strong ‘arguments’ on their side and willing recruits.
As I have said before, Israel and the US provide the terrorists and the loonies with the oxygen of ‘justification’.

I asked you before to please leave out your opinion regarding this issues. It does not belong here. If you want to discuss this you have to go on another blog. I do not agree with your opinion, but I will not hijack Eva’s blog to engage in debate that does not belong here. WE already have a person here who constantly tried to hijack this blog with non-relevant issues. I wish we would leave it like that, as I very much value your point of view regarding the affairs of Hungary. THanks for your understanding.

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Some1
July 31, 2012 10:20 pm

Wondercat :
The United States has earned, in many people’s opinion, a reputation as a greedy bully — and its representatives often seem happy to point out the mote in others’ eyes whilst ignoring the beam in their own.
Not, of course, that one wrong excuses another. If Hungarian politics are on the wrong track they should be set onto the right one, regardless of the crimes of American politics. However, some exasperation with those who preach water but guzzle wine is understandable, even forgivable.
Vona could have been more concise, to be sure. “Mind your own business, Representative Crowley,” would have sufficed.

WEll at least someone has the guts ti speak up for ALL Hungarians and for democracy, if the many spineless Hungarians can’t. Many Hungarians have this idea that they would only take criticism if it would be arrive from Jesus himself , but let me enlighten you, when Jesus will come back and will extend his hands to his Jewish father, and will embrace his gay brothers, Jobbik would write him off as a Jew, while Fidesz would write him off as a foreigner who wants to be involved with Hungarian affairs.

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Wondercat
August 1, 2012 1:32 am

@Petofi1, @Some1: Thank you for your responses. Petofi1, you write, in part, “America had to be dragged screaming and fighting into both world wars.” Very true. That is older history, though; and more recent history is worth a glance. In the more than seventy years since America was dragged screaming, etc., into World War II, may America have changed? I think that it may have done. I think that America now picks fights where the America of eighty years ago might have said, “Friend, I have no quarrel with you. Go you your way and I shall go mine.” Perhaps Vona should have been emollient, writing — “Representative Crowley, thank you for your concern. Hungary has many problems. We are doing our best to solve them, and we welcome suggestions and advice, including suggestions and advice of the sort that we should not presume to offer to the United States. Please continue to share your thoughts on Hungary with us” — go you your way, and we shall go ours, in effect. Some1, taking time away from His family reunion, Jesus has already said, on behalf of Vona: Avagy mi módon mondhatod a te atyádfiának: Hadd vessem ki a szálkát… Read more »

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August 1, 2012 3:08 am

I am afraid that Jobbik is a totally illegal organisation in Hungary! The present Hungarian Government and the previous administration are both at fault for not dismantling it as they are required to do.

Article 4 Section 2 (Treaty of Paris 1947)
Hungary, which in accordance with the Armistice Agreement has taken measures for dissolving all organisations of a Fascist type on Hungarian territory, whether political, military or para-military, as well as other organisations conducting propaganda, including revisionist propaganda, hostile to the United Nations, shall not permit in future the existence and activities of organisations of that nature which have as their aim denial to the people of their democratic rights.

Humph! This could also include Fidesz as well as Jobbik

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LwiiH
August 1, 2012 4:06 am

Wondercat :
The United States has earned, in many people’s opinion, a reputation as a greedy bully

When I think of all the corruption that is rampant here.. I just had to laugh at how this comment started.

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Wondercat
August 1, 2012 4:32 am

@LwiiH: **grin** Day-to-day life in the United States is likely less corrupt than in Hungary, to be sure. And someone who has just been shaken down by a rogue constable is likely to see the face of that member of the rendorseg when (s)he thinks “greedy bully”. I meant something different — aspects of world politics, “projecting force beyond national borders”, “protection of national interests overseas”. (Hungary has been spared some of that. Even her last admiral didn’t have to worry about military protection of national interests overseas.) The phrase “greedy bully” may apply beyond the actions of the Departments of State, Defense, and Commerce, however. Interesting to me is what appears a crumbling of civility, of the instinct to look out for one’s neighbour — “neighbour” widely defined, mind you — in the United States. What are we all supposed to have learnt as children? That to get along, we must share. With regard to access to medical care, to transportation, and to education (this is not a complete list), developments in United States politics suggest that citizens of the United States seem to have forgot how to share. Could they be starting to model their actions in daily… Read more »

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nyaripal
August 1, 2012 5:14 am

OK, I’ll keep this brief – my point about Israel and their actions (facts, not opinions) is that they and the US are giving people like Jobbik an open goal. It’s very hard to argue with Jobbik supporters when they can make valid points like this in their ‘defence’. But, as always, when someone points out Israel’s rogue behaviour and how dangerous it is for the world, they get jumped upon by all and sundry – often with more heat than knowledge. As for the quality of the English, I was merely pointing out that, to a native English speaker, it didn’t seem that bad, in fact it’s about ‘normal’ for Hungarian politicians writing in English. As I said, I have read much worse on here – and, no, I wasn’t thinking of any specific posters, especially not regular ones! Overall, my comments were intended only to point out that Jobbik have a great deal to be attacked on, but Vona’s command of written English is hardly a key issue, and that, as long as the US and Israel behave as they do, the terrorists and loonies will always have a big propaganda plus on their side which is very… Read more »

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petofi
August 1, 2012 6:26 am

Wondercat : @Petofi1, @Some1: Thank you for your responses. Petofi1, you write, in part, “America had to be dragged screaming and fighting into both world wars.” Very true. That is older history, though; and more recent history is worth a glance. In the more than seventy years since America was dragged screaming, etc., into World War II, may America have changed? I think that it may have done. I think that America now picks fights where the America of eighty years ago might have said, “Friend, I have no quarrel with you. Go you your way and I shall go mine.” Perhaps Vona should have been emollient, writing — “Representative Crowley, thank you for your concern. Hungary has many problems. We are doing our best to solve them, and we welcome suggestions and advice, including suggestions and advice of the sort that we should not presume to offer to the United States. Please continue to share your thoughts on Hungary with us” — go you your way, and we shall go ours, in effect. Some1, taking time away from His family reunion, Jesus has already said, on behalf of Vona: Avagy mi módon mondhatod a te atyádfiának: Hadd vessem ki… Read more »

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Wondercat
August 1, 2012 7:07 am

@petofi: Please allow me to offer an apology for mis-transcribing your name, and thanks again for your response, which encourages me to hope that we may be largely of the same mind. (I like America better when she is not playing “world’s policeman”. Frustrated members of a police force sometimes, it seems to me, take approaches to “criminals” that too closely approximate the behaviour of the criminals themselves.) I hope with you that any subversion of democracy in Hungary can be, and will be, corrected speedily.

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Dubious
August 1, 2012 6:31 am

Really the quality of the English was fine, and I think people are being a bit catty when talking about it.

The problem with Jobbik is their anti-semitism, anti-Roma bigotry, and their anti-EU, pro-conspiracy theory, pro-Nazi, pro-ridiculous economic policies, pro-revisionist, pro-civil war stances and the fact that they are bunch of unhinged buffoons. The problem is NOT that they don’t get an English proofreader to check their letters. The US congressmen sent their letter in English, which is fine, but they didn’t even bother to translate it into the language of the recipient. We don’t know what the quality of their Hungarian would have been.

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Some1
August 1, 2012 8:15 am

Dubious : Really the quality of the English was fine, and I think people are being a bit catty when talking about it. The problem with Jobbik is their anti-semitism, anti-Roma bigotry, and their anti-EU, pro-conspiracy theory, pro-Nazi, pro-ridiculous economic policies, pro-revisionist, pro-civil war stances and the fact that they are bunch of unhinged buffoons. The problem is NOT that they don’t get an English proofreader to check their letters. The US congressmen sent their letter in English, which is fine, but they didn’t even bother to translate it into the language of the recipient. We don’t know what the quality of their Hungarian would have been. Hungarian is still not he official language of diplomacy but I am sure Vona and Orban are working on it. We had a large discussion way back about this when Orban took offense of some diplomat sending something to him in English. In Europe for that matter French was the language of diplomacy for centuries, then it was taken over by English. In the EU things are different now, but probably if you want to have a cup of cafe, thank you and please in the buffet, your best bet is to use… Read more »

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August 1, 2012 8:42 am

Dubious :
The problem is NOT that they don’t get an English proofreader to check their letters

I’m pretty sure this WAS the work of their best proofreader. This is not Vona.

The reactions to letter shows why Joe Simon and Kovach are constantly throwing in examples from the US no matter what are we talking about. It’s just too easy to be smart about the US.

Back to our very own fascist party. They are about to introduce a bill that will require the documentation of the ethnicity of the prison population. A bill clearly aimed to create proof of the gypsy crime in Hungary. They suggest that this will make the identification of criminals easy. The bill mentions another country (yes, you have guessed it), the US, where cops do the same …

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Some1
August 1, 2012 9:55 am

Back to our very own fascist party. They are about to introduce a bill that will require the documentation of the ethnicity of the prison population. A bill clearly aimed to create proof of the gypsy crime in Hungary. They suggest that this will make the identification of criminals easy. The bill mentions another country (yes, you have guessed it), the US, where cops do the same …

Hungary s becoming a joke. Here is the recipe to create a renewed Hungary by Orban and Vona.
1. Take out of context some parts of the legislations of democratic countries, so they become the worst examples to tackle a problem.
2. Announce that Hungary will need a legislation just like the one that was taken out of context.
3. Announce that other, actually democratic countries implement the same.
4. Bang your chest how smart you are.
5. Start to tell everyone “off”.
6. When is all cooked up, make sure that Hungary becomes a collection of worst examples, something that some idiots are so proud of because they think they outsmarted everyone around them. A collection of con artists put together a collection of cons.

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