A Hungarian neo-Nazi’s threat to democratically minded Hungarians abroad

A couple of days ago Christopher Adam, editor-in-chief of Kanadai Magyar Hírlap, received a letter signed by Gábor Barcsa-Turner. Barcsa-Turner is deputy chairman of Hatvannégy Vármegye Ifjúsági Mozgalom (HVIM) or, in English, Youth Movement of Sixty-four Counties, an allusion to the number of counties in Hungary prior to 1920.

HVIM is closely allied with Jobbik. The chairman of the movement is György Gyula Zagyva, a Jobbik member of parliament. Another prominent leader of HVIM is László Toroczkai Tóth, who is a Jobbik member of the Council of Csongrád County.

As for Barcsa-Turner, he is the editor of the extremist Szent Korona Rádió that is, despite its name, not a radio station but an Internet website.

What follows is Barcsa-Turner’s letter and the answer written by the founders and spokesmen for the Canadian Hungarian Democratic Charter. At the end of this post are some notes that might be helpful in understanding Barcsa-Turner’s references.

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Gábor Barcsa-Turner, fascist, Hungarist, Nazi, take your pick

Never come back here!  You are right: the neo-Nazis and fascists will hang you here for your disgusting articles. Here we are the masters, here we rampage and hate.  We are racists and behave as anti-Semites, we hate everybody, but most of all, we hate you!

 Please tell your comrades still in Hungary that life became unlivable because of the burgeoning nazism and invite Péter Dániel and Gyurcsány and all the other lice to leave the country.

 Forget our language; after all, only fascists and “deep-Magyars” speak it!

 Don’t use the adjective “Hungarian,” because that is the synonym of  Hungarist, Arrow Cross, ultra-right riff-raff who are busily building the Fourth Reich. Don’t call yourselves Hungarians  because everybody will think you are fascists.

 You can be Canadians, Americans, and Europeans, whatever you want, but nothing should cross your lips connected to Hungarians.

And Barcsa-Turner’s followers

And yes: I am an anti-Semite, if you call antisemitism telling the truth. I am a fascist if you criticize my law and order stance. I am a Nazi  because I don’t share the official dogma about the Second World War. I am a Hungarist when you besmirch Hungary’s heroic stand in the Second World War. I yearn for the White Terror every time that you praise Endre Ságvári! My ideal becomes Gyula Ostenburg-Morawek and his detachment,  and I  would be glad to be the murderer of Somogyi and Bacsó, a pair of scribblers!

 I am a racist when you defend the Gypsies and turn your eyes away from the terrorized weak and elderly. I am always the one whom you vilify: an anti-Semite, a racist, a fascist,  Hungarist, a member of a detachment and I could go on. I belong to the extreme right without any tolerance toward the left.

I’m the one you have to deal with. And believe me, there are a lot of us here. Don’t ever come back! Stay abroad  and die homeless, or while extolling the state of Israel, but let no more words about anything Hungarian pass your lips.

 Gábor T. Barcsa

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On August 13, 2012, Gábor Barcsa-Turner, vice-president of one of Hungary’s officially registered neo-fascist political organizations, the Youth Movement of Sixty-four Counties (HVIM), sent a letter to those Canadian Hungarians who are active in the defense of internationally recognized human rights and democratic principles. (HVIM’s president, György Gyula Zagyva is a Hungarian Member of Parliament. HVIM is in a close strategic alliance with Hungary’s largest far-right party, Jobbik).

Mr. Barcsa-Turner announced himself with the following words. “I am the one you need to deal with” and then, paradoxically, he immediately warns us not to set foot in Hungary, unless we wish to face him with murder weapons drawn, ready to counter our words: “Never come back here! Here … the neo-Nazis and fascists are going to hang you for your disgusting articles. Here we are the masters …. Stay out there and die homeless, or while extolling Israel but let no more words about anything Hungarian pass your lips! … Be Canadians, Americans, Europeans, whatever you want, but mouth nothing about Hungarianness!”

The purpose of the efforts of the Canadian Hungarian Democratic Charter in defense of human rights and democracy is not to exchange words with the likes of Mr. Barcsa-Turner. Our target is the current prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban, and his Fidesz Party. It is thanks to Fidesz and the current government  that neo-fascism in Hungary is growing and asserting itself ever more violently. It is common knowledge that Jobbik was fledged in Fidesz’s warm nest and that Jobbik then drew HVIM, the Outlaw Band, the Hungarian Guards and the other neo-fascist groups into its alliance. These are all now proliferating undisturbed under the protective wings of the Hungarian government, fouling the air for all decent Hungarians. It was as a cherished lark from Fidesz’s inner circle that the erstwhile Orbán disciple, Gábor Vona, flew aloft in Hungarian public life to become the leader of Jobbik. Nor is it with Mr. Vona’s anti-democratic spirit or his hate-mongering rhetoric that Fidesz now has a problem, but rather with the fact that he has drawn off several hundred thousand formerly faithful voters from Fidesz.

The primary target of the efforts of the Canadian Hungarian Democratic Charter in defense of human rights and democracy is accordingly not HVIM’s Gábor Barcsa-Turner but the government of Viktor Orban, whose socially irresponsible leaders are steering Hungary out of Europe toward fanaticism, oppressive state control, and tyranny.

Signed: The founders and spokesmen of the Canadian Hungarian Democratic Charter.

Notes

Péter Dániel is an anti-fascist activist who poured red pain over a newly unveiled statue of Regent Miklós Horthy.

Deep magyars is used to describe nationalist Hungarians.

Hungarism is the Hungarian version of Nazism and the ideology of Ferenc Szálasi’s Arrow Cross Party.

Endre Ságvári, a member of the illegal Communist Party, who was killed during an exchange of gunfire with the police on July 27, 1944, during the German occupation.

Gyula Ostenburg-Morawek, leader of one of the detachments of Miklós Horthy. It was members of his group who murdered Béla Somogyi and Béla Bacsó on February 17, 1920.  The victims were editors of Népszava, the official newspaper of the Hungarian Social Democratic Party.

58 comments

  1. Based on his letter, Barcsa-Turner should be charged with for uttering Death and uttering bodily harm. It is one thing to hate the Jews and gypsies and talk about it, but uttering death I believe even in Hungary is a criminal offense.

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  2. 1920 again. Let us recognize it.

    Bartos Laszlo and Karl Pfeifer warned us that the right meant genocide.

    The EU must intervene in Hungary. The Vatican must stay away from Hungary.

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  3. Recently there has been an increase in violent rhetoric on Politics.hu. Although the dialogue there tends to be rather poor, it should be noted that some commentators known for their support for the Hungarist movement have been making anonymous threats. Included in those threats are a reference to White Terror II coming to Hungary soon. Perhaps it is a coincidence that Gábor Barcsa makes this reference or perhaps it is a part of their current dialogue. Others have called for a rise to arms. Recall the Magyor of Gyöngyöspata’s conversation about a coming civil war. At the same time the Athena Institute, which tracks extremist groups in Hungary, has been increasingly releasing bulletins regarding activity by Hungarian hate groups. Many of these bulletins are regarding paramilitary training. On YouTube you can find videos of Hungarist’s groups undergoing live ammunition training with assault weapons.

    http://www.athenainstitute.eu/en/hate_groups/

    The Institute has a FB page that regularly posts bulletins in both Hungarian and English. https://www.facebook.com/AthenaIntezet

    I recently sent the Athena Institute a note asking them why they did not list HVIM on their list of known hate groups. They have been involved in several anti-Roma and anti-gay demonstrations and now Gábor Barcsa sends this threatening letter. I encourage readers to contact the Athena Institute regarding HVIM’s activities. I suspect they are under-staffed and have enough work tracking the groups already on their list. Clearly HVIM should be part of their monitoring efforts. The Athena Institute deserves the support of the readers of this blog.

    On the Athena website there is an analysis about the evolution of activities of hate groups in the context of the Roma killings. (The seven stage hate model http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups355.html) They describe several levels of activities of these groups that culminate in sustained violent acts with the ultimate goal of the destruction of their targets. I believe may of the extreme right hate groups in Hungary are moving farther towards increasingly violent acts. The recent extreme right actions in Devecser included actions at Stage 6 of the hate model. I fear that things may get very ugly in Hungary in the near future.

    http://thecontrarianhungarian.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/we-attacked-the-gypsies-and-we-are-proud-of-it-extreme-right-demonstration-gets-violent-in-devecser-hungary/

    When will the Hungarian government forcibly move against these groups before things get out of hand? My understanding its that there are several Hungarian laws that could be applied to the activities of these groups including the law regarding incitement of violence towards a group. Do they understand the high level of threat the country is facing from domestic terrorists? I think they probably will not act since they do not want to lose what little support they have from the extreme right.

    Eva, I am very sorry sorry to learn about the letter you and your group were sent. This is a truly frightening time in Hungary and I appreciate your tireless efforts to bring this news to an English speaking audience.

    Readers of Hungarian Spectrum, is anyone aware of a groups similar to the Canadian Hungarian Democratic Charter working in the USA? If there is, I would like to lend them my support.

    Since it is likely that Gábor T. Barcsa is reading this post. Mr. Barcsa you are the one who should be ashamed to utter the word Magyar from your lips. You and your associates bring shame to Hungary.

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  4. I don’t think there are any members of the EU where such hatred speech would go unpunished. Instead of continuosly reorganizing the police forces Pintér and his secret service had better focus on these really dangerous elements. It is a time bomb ticking.
    It is horrible to have to live in a country like this.

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  5. Some1 :
    Based on his letter, Barcsa-Turner should be charged with for uttering Death and uttering bodily harm. It is one thing to hate the Jews and gypsies and talk about it, but uttering death I believe even in Hungary is a criminal offense.

    This is a death threat and if this isn’t dealt with as a criminal matter….. Someone has to start cracking down. This guy maybe an idiot but he appears to be a dangerous one.

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  6. Is the Hungarian Spectrum is last forum of solid moral voice before the next Mohacs-Trianon?
    The Yugoslavia of Milosevic is approaching Hungary.
    The Trianon 2012 will mean the end of Hungary.
    There will be no more division possible.
    The mutual destruction will be furiously fast.
    Small chunks of destroyed areas will be allocated to the neighbors.
    And the majority of Hungarians are still silent.

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  7. As a regular reader of pol.hu I have seen enough veiled threats and commented on them – but this is really ugly!

    When I saw it posted on pol.hu I thought it was maybe some prank/bad joke – but since it (and the guy who wrote it) seem to be real I don’t know what to say.

    Just wait until this appears in the international media …

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  8. London Calling!

    What is so serious about this episode is the brazen nature of the threats by this extreme group.

    The psychological willingness – and comfort – of the people uttering these threats – being so brazenly open with no fear of prosecution or disapproval, shows how the climate is deteriorating in Hungary.

    Orban has already shown signs of cognitive dissonance with regard to Internet Anti-Semitism – and some psychologists believe that acceptance of evil be-gets more evil. In essence: the worse it gets, the worse it gets.

    The extreme rhetoric is so embedded and tolerated in Hungarian society that it will take years to turn around. Only politics and education inter alia can do it – and it will take years to ‘grow through’ society.

    We debated it a while ago here on Eva’s blog – where some were too busy analysing ‘anti-Semitism without the Jews’ (!) – and others were worried about where this was leading.

    Some of us knew.

    This can only be sorted by Hungarian society – with politics, education, religion and the law.

    Whilst this is clearly a breach of Democratic Principles (take note the EU) and of Democracy (take note the US) – don’t expect these upholders to come running to the rescue.

    Hungary, both democratically and economically, is just too small a ripple in the global political ocean.

    The EU is too busy sorting out other pond ripples and Hungary is lucky to have people like Hillary Clinton, Kim Lane Scheppele and Paul Krugman on your case – and of course Eva.

    You have to stop it now (the law) and you have to have a long term plan.
    And yes – the churches have a role to play – a very important role.

    The longer it is left – the more difficult it will be – and only you can do it.

    Regards

    Charlie

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  9. LwiiH :

    Some1 :
    Based on his letter, Barcsa-Turner should be charged with for uttering Death and uttering bodily harm. It is one thing to hate the Jews and gypsies and talk about it, but uttering death I believe even in Hungary is a criminal offense.

    This is a death threat and if this isn’t dealt with as a criminal matter….. Someone has to start cracking down. This guy maybe an idiot but he appears to be a dangerous one.

    Those demonstrators at the door of Chatary’s apartment have been continuously threatened. Has the government done
    anything about THAT?

    Incitement to violence has become the norm in Hungary today.

    And, left to fester, incitement eventually leads to full-blown
    violence.

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  10. It’s time to consider that Hungary has become a ‘hot-house’ experiment for the deconstruction of legitimate government, and it’s overtake.

    Take a guess at who’s running the ‘experiment’…

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  11. …”Israel’s national football team were warned of a “severe threat” to their safety in Budapest where they played a friendly match against Hungary on Wednesday, Israel’s coach said.
    After returning to Tel Aviv on Thursday, coach Eli Guttman said the Israeli delegation had been warned by security officials that they were at risk in Budapest.
    …….
    Guttman gave no give further details. Hungarian police said the Israeli team, which had their own security detail, had not been under threat but did not elaborate.

    “Our bus was sent out of the stadium after the match with a police escort and sirens sounding so that people would think it was us. We were asked to stay behind and we left later in a bus with the blinds drawn,” Guttman said.

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/israel-team-under-severe-threat-hungary-coach-202850483–sow.html

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  12. As an addendum to Some1’s quotation from eurosport: you must look at a video on
    http://dotoho.blog.hu/2012/08/17/ki_nem_ugral_budos_zsido The video is only 2.5 minutes long and one doesn’t have to know Hungarian. All that happened during playing the Israeli national anthem. If you scroll down a little you can hear the tune of the Israeli anthem which was adopted by a Hungarian Reformed Church. The lyrics here from this Christian hymn. A nice reminder for certain people.

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  13. BARCSA-TURNER POSTING COULD STILL TURN OUT TO BE A HOAX

    I just want to get it on record that the message sounds so stereotyped “We are neo-fascists… we hate everybody” that it could still turn out to have been a hoax (unless this Barcsa-Gabor entity is either mentally disturbed or truly tone-deaf to self-caricature).

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  14. Stevan Harnad :

    BARCSA-TURNER POSTING COULD STILL TURN OUT TO BE A HOAX

    I just want to get it on record that the message sounds so stereotyped “We are neo-fascists… we hate everybody” that it could still turn out to have been a hoax (unless this Barcsa-Gabor entity is either mentally disturbed or truly tone-deaf to self-caricature).

    According to ATV Barcsa-Turner confirmed the authenticity of the letter.

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  15. Stevan Harnad :
    BARCSA-TURNER POSTING COULD STILL TURN OUT TO BE A HOAX
    I just want to get it on record that the message sounds so stereotyped “We are neo-fascists… we hate everybody” that it could still turn out to have been a hoax (unless this Barcsa-Gabor entity is either mentally disturbed or truly tone-deaf to self-caricature).

    I am not sure what it supposed to be “turn out to be a hoax”. Which part would be a hoax?
    What do anyone mean suggesting it is a hoax? It was not Barcsa-Turner who wrote it?
    Who cares who wrote it. In reality, not Barcsa-Turner is the problem “Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose.” Barcsa-Turner only one name for the problem. I do not think that it is a liberal who made a big joke by writing this letter. I do not think it was Jew or a gypsy. Of course I can see how maybe the extremists will use this as they were being framed, just as they use the Laszlo Csatary as a poster buy for the poor, innocent, old man the Jews try to frame for crimes he did not commit.

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  16. Eva S. Balogh :

    Stevan Harnad :
    BARCSA-TURNER POSTING COULD STILL TURN OUT TO BE A HOAX
    I just want to get it on record that the message sounds so stereotyped “We are neo-fascists… we hate everybody” that it could still turn out to have been a hoax (unless this Barcsa-Gabor entity is either mentally disturbed or truly tone-deaf to self-caricature).

    According to ATV Barcsa-Turner confirmed the authenticity of the letter.

    According to these turul troopers he even responded to it:

    http://hunhir.info/?pid=hirek&id=56619

    He basically says it was a sarcasm.

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  17. These types of people are not representative of the country as a whole, but they are of the country’s current government, whose officials outsource the most odious forms of hate to their allies on the far right. And those who are targeted can do absolutely nothing about it.

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  18. Orban is using these guys for two things. One is doing the ideological wet work, to incite fear. Their other purpose is to get brownie points later when he cracks down on the “nazis”. Don’t expect any effective crackdowns – it will only be for show – but some of these guy’s ass will be kicked.

    Now that Orban let the dogs out without a leash I wonder if he’ll ever be able to collect them. They may even go for his throat if he’s not careful. If there will ever be an assassination attempt on Orban that will come from the extra right.

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  19. Mutt Damon :
    Orban is using these guys for two things. One is doing the ideological wet work, to incite fear. Their other purpose is to get brownie points later when he cracks down on the “nazis”. Don’t expect any effective crackdowns – it will only be for show – but some of these guy’s ass will be kicked.
    Now that Orban let the dogs out without a leash I wonder if he’ll ever be able to collect them. They may even go for his throat if he’s not careful. If there will ever be an assassination attempt on Orban that will come from the extra right.

    Shades of yesteryear. Weren’t the Brownshirts (SA) eventually
    disemboweled by Hitler’s orders? Of course, they were superseded by the SS.

    Take note…

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  20. Regardless of who or whom wrote the threatening letter, it is unacceptable behavior.

    However, the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

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  21. Louis Kovach :
    However, the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

    He is implying that these Nazis are a result of the condemnation of those who are not Nazis. Give me a break!

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  22. gdfxx :

    Louis Kovach :
    However, the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

    He is implying that these Nazis are a result of the condemnation of those who are not Nazis. Give me a break!

    Typical right-wing drivel.

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  23. Louis Kovach :
    Regardless of who or whom wrote the threatening letter, it is unacceptable behavior.
    However, the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

    Regardless of who or whom this seraphograph might be, his logic and ethics do seem on a solid par with his syntax…

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  24. Stevan Harnad :

    Louis Kovach :
    Regardless of who or whom wrote the threatening letter, it is unacceptable behavior.
    However, the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

    Regardless of who or whom this seraphograph might be, his logic and ethics do seem on a solid par with his syntax…

    I tried to improve his prose somewhat in English. In Hungarian it is much worse.

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  25. London Calling!

    Eva – why did you change the picture?

    The original one appeared to be of someone who wouldn’t have said ‘boo to a goose’ – a benign professional even! And I mused on how deceptive looks can be.

    On the other hand the substituted one could well be a Jobbik thug!

    Regards

    Charlie

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  26. CharlieH :

    London Calling!

    Eva – why did you change the picture?

    The original one appeared to be of someone who wouldn’t have said ‘boo to a goose’ – a benign professional even! And I mused on how deceptive looks can be.

    On the other hand the substituted one could well be a Jobbik thug!

    Regards

    Charlie

    It was at places incomprehensible and unclear. I had to make at least full sentences of this mess.

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  27. Louis Kovach :
    the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

    Would you be kind enough to specify who against “the continuous derogatory writings” addressed at, that the neo-nazis feel must defend?
    Can you quote us some of those derogatory writing from the left, please. I am just not clear what do you mean by this, so it would be very helpful.
    Also, I see that the letter very much threatens the Jews and the gypsies, do you consider all Jews and gypsies to be member of the left or do you consider everyone on the left to be either gypsies, Jews or people who wants to sell out the country for some unspecified interest?
    Thanks.

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  28. Eva S. Balogh :

    Stevan Harnad :

    Regardless of who or whom this seraphograph might be, his logic and ethics do seem on a solid par with his syntax…

    I tried to improve his prose somewhat in English. In Hungarian it is much worse.

    Eva, it was @LK whose/whom’s syntax my quip was about.
    (And the later query from CharlieH was about the change in BTG’s picture, not his text…)
    — Stevan

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  29. Louis Kovach :
    However, the continuous derogatory writings from the left are not helping the situation. There is no good English translation for “addig festi a falra amig megjelenik” (you paint the devil on the wall and it will show up)…the letter is a good example of that.

    Speak of the devil and his horns appear?

    The left (?) kept chating that there are nazis in the country … and gee, the nazis magically started to appear among the decent and honorable Hungarians. Bad juju.

    No Kovach. Orban let them loose. By the way your posts went through the same transformation as these guys. I remember you when you were a lot more timid about anti-Semitism but something gave you a boost recently. What can that be? One can get away with it?

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  30. P.W. Urbanyi :
    You can find more of his “prose” and some insight into his mindset here:
    Egy harcos gondolatai (megjelent a Magyar Jelen újság 2011. évi számaiban) Írta: Barcsa T. Gábor (HVIM, alelnök)
    http://www.hvim.hu/gondolatok

    Man! This is some scary shit. The style reminds me on the Ferenc Szalasi writings (the leader of the Hungarian Nazi party in 1944). I think Barcsa T. is mimicking him. The link is pretty much a mini Mein Kampf. “The thoughts of a warrior” is the title. He’s pearls of wisdom sound like some kind of deranged nazi Yoda.

    “Mily hitvány is ez a mai (ál)értelmiség: pacifizmus, gyengeség, sznobizmus, unalmasság. Semmi akarat, semmi erő, semmi tettvágy!”

    “How despicable today’s (pseudo) intellectuals are: pacifism, weakness, snobbery, boredom. There is no willpower, no strength, no desire to change!”

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  31. CharlieH :
    London Calling!
    Eva – why did you change the picture?
    The original one appeared to be of someone who wouldn’t have said ‘boo to a goose’ – a benign professional even! And I mused on how deceptive looks can be.
    On the other hand the substituted one could well be a Jobbik thug!
    Regards
    Charlie

    She used the wrong picture. He is a young Jobbo seen here leading an interview with Baranyi Tibor Imre és Vona Gábor at this year’s Hungrian Neo-Nazi summit, Magyar Sziget XII. Eva’s new image is a screen grab from that video.

    http://vimeo.com/46859411

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  32. P.W. Urbanyi :

    CharlieH :
    London Calling!
    Eva – why did you change the picture?
    The original one appeared to be of someone who wouldn’t have said ‘boo to a goose’ – a benign professional even! And I mused on how deceptive looks can be.
    On the other hand the substituted one could well be a Jobbik thug!
    Regards
    Charlie

    She used the wrong picture. He is a young Jobbo seen here leading an interview with Baranyi Tibor Imre és Vona Gábor at this year’s Hungrian Neo-Nazi summit, Magyar Sziget XII. Eva’s new image is a screen grab from that video.

    http://vimeo.com/46859411

    Correct. I was misled by Google Images. But two of you called my attention to it. I’m very grateful for our eagle-eyed readers. Thank you.

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  33. Eva S. Balogh :
    As an addendum to Some1′s quotation from eurosport: you must look at a video on
    http://dotoho.blog.hu/2012/08/17/ki_nem_ugral_budos_zsido The video is only 2.5 minutes long and one doesn’t have to know Hungarian. All that happened during playing the Israeli national anthem. If you scroll down a little you can hear the tune of the Israeli anthem which was adopted by a Hungarian Reformed Church. The lyrics here from this Christian hymn. A nice reminder for certain people.

    I’m sadden by this bunch of disgrace! Have they not learned manners or respect at schools or at homes? They have just brought the country to a new low.

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  34. Eva S. Balogh :

    Stevan Harnad :
    THOSE NEFARIOUS MAGYAROPHOBIC BIGOTS: THEY JUST KEEP PICKING ON US…
    http://hunhir.info/?pid=hirek&id=56677

    So, it seems that our answer was published in Hungary. What a site. I didn’t know that the Archbishop of Esztergom is Jewish also. What a revelation!

    I loved this link. I do think any translation could give justice of Barcsai Turner’s mastery of the Hungarian language. I love how he gets upset about his original letter being published (like his feelings were a well kept secret until now). It is so funny how childish this boy is with the “keep out of my toy box” kind of reasoning. He thinks that his logic would appeal to the masses, but in reality the kind of language he uses can only appeal to a very limited group, and we already know who those are. He received attention for the same reason many crazy people do, for the course of his actions, not for what he stands for. He should go back to school to get some education, but then the new Hungarian education system will not help him, as it is et up to churn out more like him. He is a pathetic little boy, and we should just leave it like this.

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  35. Tisztelt Eva S. Balogh!
    Azért illő lett volna feltüntetni a cikk forrását, a Kanadai Magyar Hírlapot!… Hiszen tkp. a hírhedt levelet is a KMH-nak írta. Nemde?…
    A többi olvasónak:
    Egy normálisan működő országban Barcsa-Turner már vizsgálati fogságban lenne.

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  36. To Mr. Tamás Szemenyei-Kiss, You couldn’t possibly have read the post carefully because you will find the reference to the Kanadai Magyar Hírlap in the very first sentence of my article. Therefore I didn’t commit anything that could be called “incorrect.” Nemde?

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  37. Szemenyei-Kiss Tamás :
    Tisztelt Eva S. Balogh!
    Azért illő lett volna feltüntetni a cikk forrását, a Kanadai Magyar Hírlapot!… Hiszen tkp. a hírhedt levelet is a KMH-nak írta. Nemde?…
    A többi olvasónak:
    Egy normálisan működő országban Barcsa-Turner már vizsgálati fogságban lenne.

    Sorry to say but your posting is in bad need of a spell checker.

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  38. And this is a man who is a member of an officially REGISTERED political organizations in Hungary?? Disgusting. Really. Never before have I felt so ashamed to be Hungarian (I’m Roman Catholic, and terribly “white” just for the record). I now live in Canada and deal with Hungarian refugees on a daily basis. First I didn’t quite understand why there were so many people fleeing this civilized, modern European country. There’s no war, I thought to myself. Well, now I know. It’s really sad. But boy, it must be tough to be Barcsa Turner Gabor… imagine living with such hatred. His kidney’s must really hurt (or at least I hope they do!)…

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  39. 2012. november 28. – A mai napig sem hallgatta ki a rendőrség Barcsa-Turner Gábort, az újnáci Hatvannégy Vármegye Ifjúsági Mozgalom (HVIM) alelnökét… Mintha mi sem történt volna! – És ilyen történetek Magyarországon szinte mindennaposak… A Jobbik Magyarországért Mozgalom, mint szélsőjobboldali párt éppen a zsidó származású képviselők listáját akarja összeállítani – mert szerintük ezek a képviselők nemzetbiztonsági kockázatot jelentenek. Meddig hagyja a Nyugat, az Európai Unió ezt a tevékenységet folytatni egy szövetséges országban?
    A Kanadai Magyar Hírlap magyarországi munkatársai naponta veszélyhelyzetben dolgoznak, mióta a kanadai internetes hírújság megjelentette a fenyegető levelet. Ki védi meg őket? És ki védi meg a magyarországi demokratákat?

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  40. I don’t know whether Zsuzsanna Sándor is the same Zsuzsanna Sándor who used to be a judge and spokeswoman of the Budapest Court but welcome anyway. What Ms Sándor is talking about here is the case of Gábor Barcsa-Turner. You may recall the name because I mentioned the case on Hungarian Spectrum:

    http://hungarianspectrum.org/2012/08/17/a-hungarian-neo-nazis-threat-to-democratically-minded-hungarians-abroad/

    The threat against the Kanadai Magyar Hírlap took place in August by Barcsa-Turner, but to this day the police didn’t even questioned him. The correspondents of the Canadian paper in Hungary are in real danger. Who is going to defend them?

    This is what the message is all about.

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  41. És ki védi meg a magyarországi demokratákat?

    I do not want to sound cynical but this question somehow summarises the problem very well. A very general answer is: the most important defence should be the democrats themselves as a group. No outside force. The EU in principle can employ some mechanisms, but, first, these have to be activated by Hungarians, and second, these have to be implemented by Hungarians in Hungary. Absolutely necessary is a willingness and ability to cooperate among the democrats, followed by a willingness to learn from the experience of other countries where democracy was difficult to establish. So far, Hungary is in the EU, and while there is no doubt that the current political system does not qualify as “democracy”, democrats are still able to organise themselves, to debate etc. I am sure that there are good relations between some of the newly founded organisations and organisations and institutions in other countries of the EU and the EU institutions themselves. Perhaps it makes sense to ask there how democracy could be restored and the democrats might be protected.

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  42. I do not see someone struggling nemzetéért national mind and why he is called “Nazis”! Yeah, these are the left-liberal Jews!
    Stephen Tuhun!

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  43. I just want to indicate to István Tuhun that we don’t tolerate here any labeling ethnic group. Your love of you nation seems to be expressed in hatred of others. If your future comments will be offensive you will be barred from publishing on Hungarian Spectrum.

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