Karl Pfeifer: Péter Dániel and László Grespik

Péter Dániel is a Hungarian lawyer and civil rights activist. When in 2010 the new right wing government made the presentation of a declaration of national solidarity mandatory in every government office, Dániel pelted it with a deviled egg. When a similar law came into effect for the new constitution, he doused it with ketchup. And when a Horthy statue was erected this year in Western Hungary, Daniel poured red coloring over it.

Because of this Péter Dániel was expelled by the Budapest Chamber of Lawyers, a decision against which he appealed. Should the expulsion be upheld he won’t be able to practice as a lawyer anymore.

A respected member of the Chamber’s Executive Board dealing with Dániel’s case is the lawyer László Grespik who acted as defense attorney for a client charged with public sedition after performing in a Skinhead concert in February 1999 at the so-called “day of honor,” where he sang songs addressing the Jews as “scum of the earth, stinking dirty hoard, parasites living off our country! They got what they wanted, and are holding Hungary in their hands (…) They are the ones who are allowed to do anything, fight them, protect yourself!” And: “Run, run, stinking Jew, sooner or later you’ll turn into soap anyway.”

Grespik saw fit to insist that the judge dealing with the case of the singing Skinheads disclose “whether she regarded herself as Jewish or had Jewish ancestors, for if she had, she might be biased.”

The judge explained that she was “not obliged to answer the question”, but in view of the special nature of the case, to avoid any further complications, was ready to state: “I am not biased and not a Jew, and have, to the best of my knowledge, no Jewish ancestors.”

Let me quote Primo Levi: “It is not easy and not pleasant to confront this outrage, but I believe we must face it, because whatever could happen yesterday may happen again tomorrow, perhaps to us or to our children.”

45 comments

  1. Unfortunate nation. Let us honor the decent Hungarians, and there are so many.

    Who are the few, who destroy the honor of Hungary?

    The ordinary people are so afraid to stand up against the V. Orban destruction.

    Viktor Orbán – Rombolás! Viktor Orbán Hagyd Abba A Rombolást!

    We have to send Petofi1 on the street to find out the reason for their failure.

    2nd Amendment needed? Should we put guns into the hand of every Hungarian?

  2. The students will restore the honor of the Hungarian people. Let us congratulate and support them.

    They should call themselves the daughters of sons of Ferenc Deak, who never had children, but wrote wonderful messages to his relatives.

    The guns have no place here. The students must aim at building an honest, violence free Hungarian future.

    They should also listen to Karl Pfeifer, our hero.

  3. Horthy has a jewish wife. As a young man, Horthy traveled around the world and served as a diplomat for the Austro-Hungarian Empire in Turkey and other countries. Horthy married with Magdolna Purgly in Arad in 1901. The Purgly family (Originally: Wodianer family) was of Jewish origin. The Purgly family babtized and converted to Calvinism in the late 19th century.[4] They had four children: Magdolna (1902), Paula (1903), István (1904) and Miklós (1907).

  4. Walker Texas, I’m afraid you are way off. Mrs. Horthy wasn’t Jewish and certainly wasn’t Calvinist, She was a bigot Catholic. Believe me, I’m a historian of this period.

  5. BOOK: Raphael Patai:The Jews of
    Hungary: History, Culture, Psychology (page: 378)

    Are you member of a scietific academy in Hungary?

    According to your CV., you are not an expert in Hungarian History. You have just Hungarian litterateur degree. You learned history in canada. I can imagine how “difficult” was to get a historian degree and PHD in canada…

    Eva S. Balogh :
    Walker Texas, I’m afraid you are way off. Mrs. Horthy wasn’t Jewish and certainly wasn’t Calvinist, She was a bigot Catholic. Believe me, I’m a historian of this period.

  6. You are not expert in Hungarian history :
    BOOK: Raphael Patai:The Jews of
    Hungary: History, Culture, Psychology (page: 378)
    Are you member of a scietific academy in Hungary?
    According to your CV., you are not an expert in Hungarian History. You have just Hungarian litterateur degree. You learned history in canada. I can imagine how “difficult” was to get a historian degree and PHD in canada…

    Eva S. Balogh :
    Walker Texas, I’m afraid you are way off. Mrs. Horthy wasn’t Jewish and certainly wasn’t Calvinist, She was a bigot Catholic. Believe me, I’m a historian of this period.

    Do you see what source Patai give in his book? None.

  7. Wodianer is a Jewish name. See the home of the family: Purgli castle “Purgly kastély” identitcal with Wodianer castle “Wodianer kastély” Her family changed even their family name too…

    dvhr :

    You are not expert in Hungarian history :
    BOOK: Raphael Patai:The Jews of
    Hungary: History, Culture, Psychology (page: 378)
    Are you member of a scietific academy in Hungary?
    According to your CV., you are not an expert in Hungarian History. You have just Hungarian litterateur degree. You learned history in canada. I can imagine how “difficult” was to get a historian degree and PHD in canada…

    Eva S. Balogh :
    Walker Texas, I’m afraid you are way off. Mrs. Horthy wasn’t Jewish and certainly wasn’t Calvinist, She was a bigot Catholic. Believe me, I’m a historian of this period.

    Do you see what source Patai give in his book? None.

  8. This is really strange/funny:

    All this seems to come from one source which is not native English, probably some Hungarian loonie.

    All the quotations make the same grammatical errors, “Horthy married with Magdolna …” eg

    Someone is trying to proof something ?

  9. There is no need other proofs. Hungarian Jewish Encyclopedia is an encyclopedia which were edited by Jewish ethno-historians for Hungarian jews. Magyar Zsidó Lexikon (1929) “Hungarian Jewish Encyclopedia” at National Széchényi Library http://mek.oszk.hu/04000/04093/html/szocikk/10409.htm

    The other is an academic historian: Raphael Patai, well known Jewish expert on the field of the history of Hungarian Jewish people.

    Check mate!

  10. I think it is time for Eva to remove the posts that are clearly serve the purpose of some right-wing stupidity (that I can’t figure out by the way, like: So what? or What difference does it make?) and makes it very hard to follow the new posts on various subjects, as seven posts in a row in a totally unrelated blah-blah-blah takes up almost half of the space form recent comments tab. If this person with some sort of learning disability can’t put each of his sentences on the same subject in one post, he should find an other forum. Then again, I think trolls should be eliminated once and for all in order to provide space for valid conversations.

  11. Perhabs you know better the history of Hungarian Jews than the two professors (Raphael Patai, and Péter Újvári) Hahahahahaha

  12. Leave the scary Magdolna Horthy alone. She was just another confused Hungarian.

    Let us concentrate on the Pfeifer question.

    Can a lawyer like László Grespik contribute to human decency?

    I doubt that he will support the basic rights of Péter Dániel.

    We should express our support for Péter Dániel. He has got a facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/peter.daniel.167

  13. Yes, I think this ridiculous debate about Magdolna Purgly’s family tree should end. The trouble with these right-wingers that they are ignorant. For example, this particular genius thinks that if he finds Wodianer’s name among those Jews who received baronetcy from Franz Joseph it means that Magdolna Purgly was a converted Jew! It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. Thinking is obviously not his forte.

    Oh, yes, there were several Wodianers but they were never Purglys. The Purglys came from the minor nobility (jószáshelyi Purgly) with about 1,500 holds. 1 hold is approximately half a hectare. Her father János was an MP and her brother, Emil, was member of the upper house while the Wodianers remained Wodianers.

    As for people who received their degrees in Canada. Well, if I were you I would remain very, very quiet. Your ignorance speaks volumes of what kind of education you must have received. There is nothing to be proud of. I would be ashamed of myself in your place.

    By the way, what do you know about Canadian or American higher education? Most likely nothing. Put it that way, Hungarian universities simply cannot be compared to the best universities in the States and Canada.

  14. dvhr :

    Encyclopedia Judaica :
    This is the SO CALLED CHECK MATE!!!!!!!

    Are you familiar with the meaning of the word “source”?

    As you may have noticed a lot of people in Hungary are unfamiliar with the concept: Schmitt and Semjén, for example. And who knows how many thousands altogether over the years.

  15. Eva S. Balogh :
    Yes, I think this ridiculous debate about Magdolna Purgly’s family tree should end. The trouble with these right-wingers that they are ignorant. For example, this particular genius thinks that if he finds Wodianer’s name among those Jews who received baronetcy from Franz Joseph it means that Magdolna Purgly was a converted Jew! It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. Thinking is obviously not his forte.
    Oh, yes, there were several Wodianers but they were never Purglys. The Purglys came from the minor nobility (jószáshelyi Purgly) with about 1,500 holds. 1 hold is approximately half a hectare. Her father János was an MP and her brother, Emil, was member of the upper house while the Wodianers remained Wodianers.
    As for people who received their degrees in Canada. Well, if I were you I would remain very, very quiet. Your ignorance speaks volumes of what kind of education you must have received. There is nothing to be proud of. I would be ashamed of myself in your place.
    By the way, what do you know about Canadian or American higher education? Most likely nothing. Put it that way, Hungarian universities simply cannot be compared to the best universities in the States and Canada.

    Wodianer family has jewish origin. Purgly family originally was from Wodianer family. Purgly was not from the baronial branch of Wodianer, because it was an other,-the luckier one- branch of the Wodainers who get the baronial title. Check mate Eva :)))

  16. Everybody knows that Canadian degrees (especially in art subjects like international literature, history, philosophy, linguistics) are not the stronghold of the universities of the New world (Canada US.) Perhaps you confused it with the american engineer trading and natural sciences, which have good reputation.

  17. I cited sources and references of professors and experts about the Jewish history of Hungary.

    Dear Éva you have not sources and references to prove your speculation.
    Therefore You lost the debate. Take the defeat easy, like an adult serious person.
    Only children can’t lose debates after the demonstration & documentation.

    Have a god night!

    CIAO! :)

  18. a tárgykörben
    elmélyült vizsgálatokat végző,mocskos Szálasi banditák,
    anyai ágon találtak zsidó származásút,Purgly Magdolna
    családjában.Ezért meszelték a Sándor palota falára,hogy
    “REBEKA KI A VÁRBÓL”

  19. Always the stupidest people start their posts like “everybody knows that …”. Very telling.

    This is one of the fly traps of the Orban regime: offering a glimpse on the feeling of being intelligent to “Semmilyen Zsolt” and his followers.

    So dear “contributor”! How does it feel to look smart? Enjoy it while it lasts. Christmas gift to you from the readers of this blog.

  20. REBEKA KI A VÁRBÓL :
    a tárgykörben
    elmélyült vizsgálatokat végző,mocskos Szálasi banditák,
    anyai ágon találtak zsidó származásút,Purgly Magdolna
    családjában.Ezért meszelték a Sándor palota falára,hogy
    “REBEKA KI A VÁRBÓL”

    Hey buddy, do you speak English?

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