Ferenc Gyurcsány’s State of the Nation speech 2013, Part III

As soon as possible, we must create an electoral alliance – which is not a government coalition

“We must create an electoral alliance. As soon as possible! Not a government coalition. The main goal of an electoral alliance is to overthrow Orbán and re-establish constitutionality. For the first one, for the electoral alliance, we need everybody who is on the democratic side. For a government coalition, we need only part of them, and I have no idea now, who these shall be. It is probably, but I can say it more precisely: it is completely sure that without the Socialists, the democrats cannot have a new government. It is far from certain that the Democratic Coalition (to deal with our own business only) should participate in the government as well. But it is certain that it should take a part in the overthrowing of Orbán, that it should pursue a policy ensuring that the next government shall be able to represent all of those values we also represent. But the reason why we are in politics in this young party is not that we want to have a car, a good job, a position as an under-secretary of state, but the reason is that this will not be a liveable country, if all things go on like now. I think it makes sense for us to formulate our words cautiously. As soon as possible, we ought to think over what could be the political platform of a so wide electoral coalition, capable of accommodating the democratic plurality. What shall be its shortest message, proclamation, and 12 points? To let the voters know, to let them know what the alternative is. I say once more: this is not a government coalition and this is not a government programme. But we shall work on it, work in order to make it clear what common is in us, and what the alternative is that we can offer against today’s reality.”

15 March should be a joint power demonstration of the democratic opposition’s plurality*

“And I say it again, I say it once more, very precisely, in order to avoid misunderstandings: it would be a must to consider, I repeat: consider, making 15th of March the day of a joint power demonstration of the democratic opposition’s plurality. It would be a must. We are in an easier situation now than in previous years. Due to the fact that E-2014 modified its strategy and will become a party by 15 March. 15 March will surely not be, cannot be just an event organised by the civilian plurality, convened by Milla, any more. Therefore, inevitably, some party or several parties will also appear there. To express it even more clearly: I am not looking for a stage for myself; if I want one, I can set it up on my own. The question is not about who will speak there – if I want, I can speak too. The question is whether or not we are able to declare, one year before the next election, that everybody who is a democrat and wants to overthrow Orbán, shall be on board, shall be on the same place. And then, it is a secondary issue, who will speak. To be frank, it is much easier to acclaim than to speak, that is, one will at least have an easier holiday weekend. We ought to be normal and liberal, after all, we ought to be. We can play our petty games for some more time, but Orbán will be laughing up in his sleeve. And I would really like to erase this smile from his face.”

By this autumn, we ought to come to an agreement on all issues of the electoral alliance

“The opposition’s electoral alliance ought to come to an agreement by this autumn on the person who leads the alliance, on the uniform list, the candidates, the programme, the joint campaign. Not because there is a preliminary registration (in that case, we would have been compelled to do that), but because of our well-recognized interest that many-many months of joint work are ahead of us. None of us is strong enough to do this job alone. We can talk about preliminary campaign, positioning, gathering strength for the final negotiation, but it is slowly time to abandon that. Let the political scientists talk about that; we shall act as politicians, democrats and patriots, and we shall search the company of the other democrats.”

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DK is present in all 106 electoral districts

“Let me say a few sentences also about what we have done in the past one year. The only reason why Democratic Coalition is not the youngest democratic party in the country is that, as I see it, in the past months, there is a strong interest in setting up new parties on our side. Democrats are of prolific type, as I see it. In my opinion, this is all right. I mean prolificacy. Further on, my standpoint is that anybody who is able to bring new voters, be it any number, shall proceed with it, shall show himself and, at the end, of course, shall join the common cause. I think this is a normal attitude. Having done a hell of a job, with active contributions from all of you who are here now, Democratic Coalition is already present in each of the 106 electoral districts, in 750 towns and villages. I do not want to vex my Socialist friends, but in my opinion, we have more potential for action than they have in settlements with less than 10,000 inhabitants. We have about 7,000 members, out of these 7,000, approximately one-third came to us from your party, two-thirds did not came from there – why do you applaud now? Is it because of the one-third or the two-thirds? It does matter! And mayoral candidates supported by us or even mayors or candidates acting under our logo, in our name achieved excellent results, they won or ranked second, with a higher support than the measured level of our support, with 25 per cent in the past months. I cannot tell you how many supporters we have. I simply can’t. I can’t tell you whether this is a figure of one or two hundred thousand, as measured, or significantly more, because people are silent about their party preferences in this present Hungarian reality, deriving from the social psychology need of putting the blame on Gyurcsány. And I do understand that it is sometimes not easy to answer the question, even if without names, on supporting the party of that Gyurcsány. Together with that I do not want to commit the mistake that a large number of politicians do, namely, not believing to polls. But I’ve got to tell you in all sincerity that I have no idea about that. There will be a large-sample poll in 2014, and then, this question will be clear. Today, I think that Democratic Coalition will be a strong and stable actor in the parliament. This is what we are working for.”

DK’s programme: it is a pro-market, pro-solidarity, pro-performance programme clearly opposing Orbán’s system, wanting a western-oriented, civic Hungary

“About two weeks or three weeks ago, Democratic Coalition approved its comprehensive political programme. I think we can say, without being immodest, in the knowledge of the programme-creation process of the democratic parties and all the outcomes of these, that Democratic Coalition is the party that most clearly stands up against Orbán’s system, such that it does not intend to conclude any compromise with them, a party that is visualising a western-oriented, civic Hungary, a party that is fundamentally pro-market and represents the principles of solidarity and modernisation. Yes, we think that this country will become rich if it will be built again on individual and community performance, on entrepreneurship, innovation and success. At the same time, we refuse the attitude where rich people can do whatever they want and poor people should die. Richness obliges, wealth also obliges, there is need for more responsibility at the top and for more possibilities at the bottom. At the top, freedom shall be used in order to make the country itself richer, and at the bottom, the social safety mesh shall be denser, because hundreds of thousand of people now fall into hopelessness.”

This country has never been so inhuman, as it is today

“It is not the purpose of market economy that a few people shall become richer, but its purpose is to create the opportunity for all of us to rise. But not everybody is an entrepreneur, not everybody has an easy life path, and social responsibility for each other shall be a constituent of the national thinking. The country has never been so inhuman in the past twenty two years, as it is today. When I speak about market, right after that, I speak about the social responsibility, without which, otherwise, Hungary would be an inhuman, unliveable, dirty world. Social matters, social responsibility, freedom of enterprise and lots of, really lot of collaboration may create a liveable world in Hungary.”

DK counts on alliance, but in the absence of an alliance, it will even enter the election alone

“Democratic Coalition counts on an alliance. It definitely does not want to threaten anybody or exercise any pressure on anybody: but it is true that one shall not be completely dumb and, Heaven forbid a situation where we need to enter for the elections alone, but if we need to do so, then a political party has no other choice but going alone. Silently and calmly, without threatening in the background, we will obviously create the conditions for that, by this autumn.”

Hungary shall be made western-oriented in social and cultural terms, because as a subject, one cannot build a civic Hungary

“And then, to finish, let’s talk about what happens after the victory. If I’ve got to cut it short, what we think is that a quiet programme of civil modernisation shall be implemented. Each word has an important meaning there. We would like to see a western-oriented world in Hungary, built on human dignity, mutual acceptance, common responsibility, democracy, the rule of law, and that we shall not be separated by a social and cultural distance, like today, from Saxony, Burgenland, Toscana and I won’t continue the listing. Yes, I think that Hungary shall become western-oriented, not simply in a geographical and political sense, but also in a social and cultural sense. This is what we shall speak about and, for that purpose, we shall re-distribute the responsibility. As a subject, one cannot build a civic Hungary

. It cannot be done! But for that, we must change, ourselves, as well. If we want to break out from this vicious circle, then I must say that a significant portion of Hungary shall participate in thinking over our lives. The Hungarian state is too weak to solve the problems and troubles of millions of families. And the distance between family and family became too large to say that we will take care of each of them, to the same extent.”

We shall return to the policy of reforms, the election shall not be won by left-wing populism, because then, we will fail

“I read the programmes of the opposition parties and movements. I must say: I think we are not yet at the point where we really faced up with reality. You applaud when I say that Hungarian education is in a terrible trouble. You accept that the Hungarian healthcare is almost unable to operate. But tell me, what your answer is if I add another thing, namely that with the expected state of the budget, neither one or the other can get significantly more money than today. How shall we achieve that, as a nurse, one shall not go abroad to be able to feed the family? How shall we achieve that a doctor is not compelled to leave? It is possible to go on with the trick that Orbán applies, according to which the burdens are put, primarily and in a first round, onto the companies, and we are relieved and do not notice that those burdens are charged on us afterwards, in small bits. And the consequence thereof was that the Hungarian economy became frozen. Is Hungary ready to accept that yes, we shall return to the policy of reforms and yes, healthcare shall be transformed and higher education shall be transformed in order to ensure access for everybody, even for the most vulnerable people, and those who can, should participate more directly in its operation. It is possible to beat us a thousand times on the issue of medical contributions and tuition fees. But this leads to the situation that we experience now. Are we courageous enough to talk sincerely with each other or are we going to wait for some more time, hoping that voters might believe that one can become strong without making efforts. It cannot be done! It is not true that an election can be won by left-wing populism only. And if we win an election that way, then we will fail.”

One can fail either as the present government failed because of its lies, or as we were defeated, with the tuition fee and the medical contribution

“Because the present government also failed, in spite of the fact that they still hold power. It failed, because it flunked the country. One can defeat, as we did, with the referendum declared social, and one can fail this way, too. But we fought for a good cause, at least. If we could have won at that time, Hungary would be in a better position now, but today, the country is a captive of a lie. Taxation of high-value estates is not a liberal policy, but a left-wing one. That is a left-wing policy! A generally applicable, reasonable tuition fee at the universities, from which needy people and good students obtain a scholarship to take home more than the amount paid as a tuition fee, that is not a liberal policy! That is a left-wing policy! Let’s stop that obscurantism! Those who want to swear in any case, shall find a sufficient quantity of the respective expressions in the dictionary of Hungarian synonyms, and if that is too much for him, he should read the speech of Őszöd. And it makes sense to fight, because by now, the students say that they also accept some kind of tuition fee. We shall not be looking for programmes that a multitude of voters are ready to accept in a given moment. We shall not be searching principles suiting plurality, because we can win this way only temporarily. We shall try to find plurality while representing our sincere conviction, presenting arguments and without lying. Those who want to court, can find a space for it – I won’t give the name of a square or a street. But what would be the case if in politics we considered each other as grown-up persons and partners? There is no need for a shock therapy.”

The lesson from 2006: a more patient policy is needed, without going into compromises about principles

“We learned a lot from the experiences of 2006. The lesson that I learned is not that one shall give up representing one’s own right, rather I learned that one shall be more patient, allowing more time for the voters, but without going into compromises about the principles. If we do that, we will win. If we win, Hungary will also win. For Hungary to win, all of you will be needed. Soberness, discretion, generosity, commitment. For a new Hungary, for the new Republic!”

 

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Darkness at all times?
Let us see the light!
The patriotic side prefers blindness. Votes Fidesz and Jobbik blindly.
Can the good Christians rise up?
Most of them understand the suffering of the poor classes.
The progressive students must be the added link.
The students represent all classes of Hungary.

Member

G. Gulyas:
“The Fidesz-KDNP party list gained 2.7 million votes
in 2010. No other party list received so many votes in the past 22 years.”

1998. MszP+SzDSz 2,747.3 thousand votes
2002. MszP+SzDSz 2,675.1
2006 MszP+SzDSz 2,688.3

2010 Fidesz+KDNP 2,706.0 thousand votes

As we can see MSzP+SzDSz had more votes in 1998 (they also had 2/3 in Parliament)
than Fidesz in 2010.

Member

Gulyas: “Fidesz and KDNP might stand on similar political principles but
they have independent party leadership and political platform.”

MPs of KDNP are also Fidesz members (dual membership is allowed).

Paul
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tappanch – in Fideszworld facts count for as little as democracy.

Member

Correction: MSzP+SzDSz votes in the 1994 election as opposed to 1998 election.

In 1998, the future ruling coalition
FiDeSz+FKgP+MDF+KDNP got 2,137.1 thousand votes combined.

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Fidesz at 25: From Freedom-Fighters to Radical Democrats
“The majority is not necessarily right just because it is a legitimately elected majority.” And Viktor Orbán frequently is not right.

http://www.paprikapolitik.com/2013/04/fidesz-at-25-from-freedom-fighters-to-radical-democrats/

Paul
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They were never “freedom fighters” and certainly aren’t now “radical democrats”.

cheshire cat
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On Friday Orban said on the radio:

1. “The EU parliament is not a European place. Last time I was there, I saw politicians shouting with their veins throbbing in their thick neck, and they didn’t even know what they were talking about.”
2. “Brussels hate us for some reason.”

Clearly he doesn’t see any connection between 1 and 2…

Not sure whether it’s true but I have read that Fidesz often considers conflict with Brussels advantageous – it makes unsure voters sympathize with the government.
It might or might not, but in the long run, such style is destructive for Hungary’s position in Brussels.

oneill
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“We shall return to the policy of reforms, the election shall not be won by left-wing populism, because then, we will fail”

“Left-wing populism” being defined as, for example, reducing the plebs’s public utility bills and sticking 2 fingers up at the banks and the Troika?

Well, yup, Gyurcsany is 100% there with that statement because that particuliar brand of left-wing populism has been *captured* by The Dear Leader and his party.

But let’s be realistic. Look at recent elections in the EU, a substantial number of people in Italy voted for an ex-clown and Viktor’s role model, Berlusconi. That tells you how the modern electorate thinks in Europe and Fidesz’s only real, meaningful opposition now in Hungary is on the far-right.

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London via Győr Calling!

“You applaud when I say that Hungarian education is in a terrible trouble. You accept that the Hungarian healthcare is almost unable to operate………

Having witnessed the appalling state of Hungarian healthcare for anyone but the most wealthy – surely this is an Achilles’ heel of Orban’s government?

His administration has allowed the health service to go from bad to worse to chaotic and it must be a very deep concern for most Hungarians.

In England politicians neglect our health service at their peril.

If Gy and co (or kft!) made this one of the central planks of their manifesto – it would go some way in countering Orban’s Big Buy-Off. Health and education are big ticket items on most decent democracy’s wish lists.

(I use the term ‘central plank of their manifesto’ advisedly – having witnessed planks of wood being used in wards to ‘contain’ patients in hospital wards in Győr.)

The opposition have got to start thinking like the man on the Győr omnibus about how they can retrieve their democracy – rather than jostling for their own positions in the opposition hierarchy.

The clock is ticking at one minute to midnight.

Regards

Charlie

cjflesch
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Gyurcs

Paul
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Yesterday’s man fighting yesterday’s battles.

szomszéd
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It is interesting how Gyurczány introduced the story of Radicova´s government in Slovakia. Himself as a „lefty“ seems to be on the side of „righty“ Radicova. On the other side Orban seems to be a good friend of Fico. I think that this illustrate very well that there are no real lefties and righties parties in Central Europe. There are only groups of comrades having interest to earn in politics, occupying momentally free places in the political market. This way how Gyurczány specified his place in politics could have negative consequences for him. But this is only a question of tactics.

More important is that Gyurczány already had the chance to persuade that his party is the confidential one. He threw this chance away and I think Hungary needs new party with transparent program reflecting clear values and led by new men and women. I am afraid that Gyurczány or „electoral alliance“ related to his name has no capacity to defeat Orban in foreseable elections . But who has? – It seems that Hungary will have to wait until Orban defeat himself.

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cjflesch :
Gyurcs�ny egyszer �s mindenkorra lej�ratta mag�t: Hazudott �s az orsz�g gazdas�g�t t�nkre tette 8 �v alatt. Gyurcs�ny ne adjon m�soknak tan�csot.
Dr. Carl Flesch
Realpstr. 61
CH-4054 Basel
Tel: +41(0)61 3017740

Thanks for you address. Are you asking us over for dinner? Dr Flesch, I hope you realize that this is an English language blog. I also hope that you put more effort into investigating propaganda techniques, and the doings of Orban also. Let me remind you of Orban less famous quote amongst Fidesz Troopers, “Do not listen what I say [to win the election]!” THis is something what the brave man said to foreign diplomats. To follow up on what you say, you should add: “Orban discredited himself once and for all: He lied, he is ruined the economy in two years. Orban should not run a our country.”
p.s.: copy and paste is a technique that did not work out for Fidesz’ favourite con man Pal Schmitt either, so always check when keep pasting online from Hungarian fonts. I hope this helps.

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@ szomszed: The problem is that in Hungary the “left” or “right” has a blurry outline. Orban and his gang loves to use the other are the left kind of approach, but in reality, his nationalization technique is the worst from the worst “leftist” ideas. Orban’s whole program is built on ideas made popular by regime of Rakosi and Kadar.

spectator
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@szomszéd – a practical advice: please, forget everything what you’ve heard so far about left or right, try to look things as right or wrong, you’ll be surprised how different the world will look, right away!

Otherwise, if you ever will follow a true direction according to your political preconceptions, you certainly going to get confused: turn “right” as much as Orbán and you will end up faaar left of everything, more and more Kim Jong-ung-arisch as time goes by.

Be careful with those directions, will you?

petofi
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cjflesch :
Gyurcs�ny egyszer �s mindenkorra lej�ratta mag�t: Hazudott �s az orsz�g gazdas�g�t t�nkre tette 8 �v alatt. Gyurcs�ny ne adjon m�soknak tan�csot.
Dr. Carl Flesch
Realpstr. 61
CH-4054 Basel
Tel: +41(0)61 3017740

A Fidesznik from the heart of the most thieving nation in modern times.

Tell me, Dr. Flesch, how did Switzerland attain its high standard of living? Chocolates and watches? Banking fees?
Or, do you think that stealing the deposits and emptying the deposit boxes of holocaust jews (in order to resell insurance policies to the company at 10 cents on the dollar…) might not have had something to do with Swiss ‘economic’ successes…?

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petofi :

cjflesch :
Gyurcs�ny egyszer �s mindenkorra lej�ratta mag�t: Hazudott �s az orsz�g gazdas�g�t t�nkre tette 8 �v alatt. Gyurcs�ny ne adjon m�soknak tan�csot.
Dr. Carl Flesch
Realpstr. 61
CH-4054 Basel
Tel: +41(0)61 3017740

A Fidesznik from the heart of the most thieving nation in modern times.
Tell me, Dr. Flesch, how did Switzerland attain its high standard of living? Chocolates and watches? Banking fees?
Or, do you think that stealing the deposits and emptying the deposit boxes of holocaust jews (in order to resell insurance policies to the company at 10 cents on the dollar…) might not have had something to do with Swiss ‘economic’ successes…?

woww I think what you are saying here petofi is totally off subject, and it has nothing to do with the comment Flesch put down. I wish you would not mix in your personal feelings about an other country at this point. Whatever Switzerland’s stand was or is, is totally irrelevant to this comment or to this blog at this point.

petofi
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Some1 : petofi : cjflesch : Gyurcs�ny egyszer �s mindenkorra lej�ratta mag�t: Hazudott �s az orsz�g gazdas�g�t t�nkre tette 8 �v alatt. Gyurcs�ny ne adjon m�soknak tan�csot. Dr. Carl Flesch Realpstr. 61 CH-4054 Basel Tel: +41(0)61 3017740 A Fidesznik from the heart of the most thieving nation in modern times. Tell me, Dr. Flesch, how did Switzerland attain its high standard of living? Chocolates and watches? Banking fees? Or, do you think that stealing the deposits and emptying the deposit boxes of holocaust jews (in order to resell insurance policies to the company at 10 cents on the dollar…) might not have had something to do with Swiss ‘economic’ successes…? woww I think what you are saying here petofi is totally off subject, and it has nothing to do with the comment Flesch put down. I wish you would not mix in your personal feelings about an other country at this point. Whatever Switzerland’s stand was or is, is totally irrelevant to this comment or to this blog at this point. This may be too subtle for you, Some1, but where one comes from–ie. the society one grew up in and lives in–impacts on a person’s morality and ethics. Got… Read more »
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@Petofi, you are absolutely right but lets take one step at a time.

Flesch is probably an old fart who emigrated to a cushy country. Now he’s to lazy to read the news and sees only the commies-and-hungarians dichotomy.

I don’t think he’s worth to argue with. He doesn’t even know who Gyurcsany is.

You are right but take a deep breath. Lets do it one moron at a time …

Member

Der Mr petofi, You are not any different than the worst of the Fidesz Troopers. You give bad name to those who are simply fighting for eau laity. You undermined the Roma, you undermine various nations by your generalization. Your “platform” is as extreme from an other angle as the many Fidesz members. Your style also very much aligned with the worst trolls we seen on this board. Maybe you should have some cocktail with them, as by criticizing the Roma and all the nasty foreign countries is up in your alley for different reasons. I stopped reading your nasty post after you get into patronizing blah blah blah. If I want to read something unintelligent, I will stick with Fidesz, evn though you are getting better about by the minute Mr petofi!

petofi
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Mutt : @Petofi, you are absolutely right but lets take one step at a time. Flesch is probably an old fart who emigrated to a cushy country. Now he’s to lazy to read the news and sees only the commies-and-hungarians dichotomy. I don’t think he’s worth to argue with. He doesn’t even know who Gyurcsany is. You are right but take a deep breath. Lets do it one moron at a time … Agreed. But why do people like Some1 take the side of such outrageous opinion/person? THAT’S what irks me. As for one moron at a time, you just can’t convert or educate them: you have to wait for them to die out. So….consider the next 20 years as a rightoff…short of a miracle or an act of god. But if you want to twist your mind around a thought, here’s one: Hungary is the best argument against stringent gun-control laws. It’s not that I’m for sub-machine guns in the hands of the general public, but the US culture of gun possession is based on the right of citizens to defend themselves against an over-oppressive government, such as the Hungarian one. When the populace has guns it serves, to… Read more »
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Mutt : @Petofi, you are absolutely right but lets take one step at a time. Flesch is probably an old fart who emigrated to a cushy country. Now he’s to lazy to read the news and sees only the commies-and-hungarians dichotomy. I don’t think he’s worth to argue with. He doesn’t even know who Gyurcsany is. You are right but take a deep breath. Lets do it one moron at a time … So we should bang up on everyone who posts from the USA. I would like to remind you of the Gold Train. I am sorry, I just do not get the point that we would endorse or dismiss someone based on what country the person is posting from. Flesch’ post is idiotic the least, but not because Switzerland’s economical or moral doing. Flesch simply have no idea what he is talking about. If he would of posted from Finland would that make him any more credible? I wish we would not encourage someone like Petofi with a pat on the back every time he says something nasty just because it is against the Fidesz. I am sending this post from Canada. Let me quote here form Wikipedia,… Read more »
petofi
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Some1 :
Der Mr petofi, You are not any different than the worst of the Fidesz Troopers. You give bad name to those who are simply fighting for eau laity. You undermined the Roma, you undermine various nations by your generalization. Your “platform” is as extreme from an other angle as the many Fidesz members. Your style also very much aligned with the worst trolls we seen on this board. Maybe you should have some cocktail with them, as by criticizing the Roma and all the nasty foreign countries is up in your alley for different reasons. I stopped reading your nasty post after you get into patronizing blah blah blah. If I want to read something unintelligent, I will stick with Fidesz, evn though you are getting better about by the minute Mr petofi!

Wow, you must be burning hot! Your English has slumped into semi-literacy.

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petofi : Mutt : @Petofi, you are absolutely right but lets take one step at a time. Flesch is probably an old fart who emigrated to a cushy country. Now he’s to lazy to read the news and sees only the commies-and-hungarians dichotomy. I don’t think he’s worth to argue with. He doesn’t even know who Gyurcsany is. You are right but take a deep breath. Lets do it one moron at a time … Agreed. But why do people like Some1 take the side of such outrageous opinion/person? THAT’S what irks me. As for one moron at a time, you just can’t convert or educate them: you have to wait for them to die out. So….consider the next 20 years as a rightoff…short of a miracle or an act of god. But if you want to twist your mind around a thought, here’s one: Hungary is the best argument against stringent gun-control laws. It’s not that I’m for sub-machine guns in the hands of the general public, but the US culture of gun possession is based on the right of citizens to defend themselves against an over-oppressive government, such as the Hungarian one. When the populace has guns it… Read more »
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petofi :

Some1 :
Der Mr petofi, You are not any different than the worst of the Fidesz Troopers. You give bad name to those who are simply fighting for eau laity. You undermined the Roma, you undermine various nations by your generalization. Your “platform” is as extreme from an other angle as the many Fidesz members. Your style also very much aligned with the worst trolls we seen on this board. Maybe you should have some cocktail with them, as by criticizing the Roma and all the nasty foreign countries is up in your alley for different reasons. I stopped reading your nasty post after you get into patronizing blah blah blah. If I want to read something unintelligent, I will stick with Fidesz, evn though you are getting better about by the minute Mr petofi!

Wow, you must be burning hot! Your English has slumped into semi-literacy.

I am fine with that. I am actually very cold, just came in from the bbq, and it is darn cold outside. (I guess if you run out from Fidesz Troopers you will attack anyone. THat is how Fidesz started… enemies everywhere.)
Subject is closed.

petofi
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Some1 : Mutt : @Petofi, you are absolutely right but lets take one step at a time. Flesch is probably an old fart who emigrated to a cushy country. Now he’s to lazy to read the news and sees only the commies-and-hungarians dichotomy. I don’t think he’s worth to argue with. He doesn’t even know who Gyurcsany is. You are right but take a deep breath. Lets do it one moron at a time … So we should bang up on everyone who posts from the USA. I would like to remind you of the Gold Train. I am sorry, I just do not get the point that we would endorse or dismiss someone based on what country the person is posting from. Flesch’ post is idiotic the least, but not because Switzerland’s economical or moral doing. Flesch simply have no idea what he is talking about. If he would of posted from Finland would that make him any more credible? I wish we would not encourage someone like Petofi with a pat on the back every time he says something nasty just because it is against the Fidesz. I am sending this post from Canada. Let me quote here… Read more »
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To Some 1 and spectator: As for the „left“ or „right“ issues: I only wanted to express my belief that (from the tactical point of view) it was not right from Gyurczany when he – as (formally) left-wing politician declares (although indirectly) his sympathy to (formally) right-wing politician Radicova. It will contribute to even more sizable disorientation of potential voters. I understand that the story of Radicova´s government has a value for his party-colleagues but it will operate counterproductively towards general public. Specifically to spectator: Thank you for your practical advice and directions, unfortunately they are useless. I would like to assure you that I have no political preconceptions. Even if I had some in the past, living in Central Europe would have made me a political preconceptions free man. My main message was my certitude that Gyurczany is not the right man who could defeat Orban and certainly not in next elections. He can offer the most sofisticated program ever but it will not do – people will not trust him. The result of his governance was disastrous – Orban´s constitutional majority in parliament with respective consequences. Probably his actual activities were largely misinterpreted, even though his name is… Read more »
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