Another Friday morning “non-threat” from Viktor Orbán

According to some analysts, Viktor Orbán’s latest Friday morning interview was perhaps one of the most revealing and most frightening. On such occasions the prime minister sometimes unwittingly reveals facts about himself and the country that would perhaps best remain hidden.

I already mentioned his inappropriate quip about the unwelcome German tanks in 1944. He went on to make a “non-threatening” remark about those who do not embrace Fidesz. In connection with the clearly fraudulent tobacconist shop concessions, he said: “I am a mild-mannered person, so I am not saying this to threaten anyone, but if we wanted to enforce political considerations in such a tender, there would not be a single left-wing winner.” As Erik D’Amato wrote on politics.hu,  “if Viktor Orbán wanted to he could crush you like an ant, but he won’t, because he’s chill.”

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Orbán again beat the drum about his government’s accomplishments, starting with the country’s fantastic economic achievement that by now “the whole world recognizes.” Please, anyone who’s heard such praise, stand up! I also learned from this interview that Hungary’s economic growth was respectable in 2011 but then came a “second wave of economic crisis in Europe” that caused all the trouble in Hungary. Thus, the Hungarian government’s unorthodox policies had nothing to do with the recession that followed two years of small economic growth.

Orbán actually boasted about his illegal seizure of private pension accounts from millions of citizens when he described how “we reorganized the system of pensions and took away the money from the financial markets,  taxed the banks, forced the multinationals to pay taxes.” He admitted that he could do all that because of his party’s super majority. The truth? The pensions were taken away from the people and not the markets. Both the banks and the multinationals had paid taxes before; what he and his right hand, György Matolcsy, did was to levy crippling additional taxes on them.

The untrue statements didn’t end here. Orbán claimed that the European Union wants to force the Hungarian government to “take away from ordinary people … lower pensions … lower social welfare, decrease child support.” Orbán categorically stated that he will never satisfy such demands from the European Union because they amount  to an austerity program, a concept whose very mention is forbidden by Fidesz.  But the fact is that every time the chips were down Orbán gave in to the demands of the European Union concerning the budget deficit. Except the Orbán government refuses to use the word “austerity” (megszorítás). All sorts of other words are substituted for the austerity packages that followed each other in rapid succession throughout 2011 and 2012. One of these synonyms is “zárolás” (sequestration, freezing of funds), which according to Orbán “doesn’t take money away from people.” So, if the Ministry of Human Resources must spend less on education or healthcare it does not affect, according the economic wizardry of the Hungarian prime minister, the well being of the country’s citizens.

It is also clear that Orbán is unwilling to begin serious structural reforms. If Hungarians don’t like to hear about austerity they are equally leery about “reforms.” Their experience in the past has been that reform means a diminishment of their income or their access to social welfare benefits. Instead, Orbán is ready to contemplate such suggestions as spending less on government bureaucracy, further raising taxes on banks and the multinationals, and even increasing the transaction tax rate “if the European Union insists on a lower deficit.”

And finally, a few words about Viktor Orbán’s attitude toward his own role as prime minister of the country. Ever since 2002  Orbán has often repeated that “the nation cannot be the opposition.” He equates his own political side with the nation. Those who have a different set of political views are outside of the nation. At the end of the interview this interpretation of his own role became clear: he considers himself the prime minister of those who are Fidesz supporters.

I already mentioned this gentle soul’s words about his limitless power to grant tobacconist licenses based on political considerations. Orbán explained further: “I would like to make it perfectly clear that I will never turn my back on our supporters. Why is it wrong if entrepreneurs who share our values and otherwise fulfill the requirements win these tenders?… To turn our backs on our own voters, our followers (hiveink), our supporters just because we politicians will receive less criticism  this way, that I will never accept. We have to endure these criticisms because if our followers cannot count on us, who can?”

It’s no wonder that last night Ágnes Vadai (DK) in an interview on Egyenes beszéd kept referring to Viktor Orbán as “the man who calls himself Hungary’s prime minister.”

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andysomos
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Dear Editor,

SOCIOPATH (please take me seriously)
Obviously not something to be taken lightly as we know..

“A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. A sociopath is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused – it is done to get one’s way). Sociopaths have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. Sociopaths are often charming and charismatic, but they use their talented social skills in manipulative and self-centered ways.”

from a site re:

The Difference Between a Sociopath, a Compulsive, a Pathological, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar:

http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

It’s a VERY SOMBER fact.

Paul
Guest

That snake is even more scary than Orbán!

cheshire cat
Guest

I’m happy, too! I hope the move went all right.

rrres13
Guest

The Hungarian Spectrum blog is a rich source of information on the Orban regime.
The other urgent task is to find simple arguments which can change the mind of the FIDESZ supporters in Hungary and in America.
We need two different approaches.
The Hungarians who live in America are blind loyalists, because they like the Fidesz policy on Erdely/Transylvania, and the nostalgic worshiping of the Horthy era.
The voters who live in Hungary, are probably less solid supporters of Fidesz.
They enjoy the anti-Roma and anti-Semitic messages.
They can be categorized as social Dinosaurus.

Stevan Harnad (@AmSciForum)
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andysomos :
SOCIOPATH (please take me seriously)
It’s a VERY SOMBER fact.

You’re right, of course. Alas the dismaying but obvious diagnosis has not escaped others on this list too:

http://hungarianspectrum.org/2012/09/12/new-opposition-communication-is-shaping-up-in-hungary/#comment-29949

sackhoes contributor
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rrres13: speak for yourself. BTW, in case you have not noticed, Ms Balogh is also a Hungarian who lives in America. So am I.

Ron
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Paul :
That snake is even more scary than Orbán!

And that is exactly it. It is scary, but its attack has no lasting effects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahaetulla_nasuta

JGrant
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andysomos : Dear Editor, SOCIOPATH (please take me seriously) Obviously not something to be taken lightly as we know.. “A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. A sociopath is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused – it is done to get one’s way). Sociopaths have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. Sociopaths are often charming and charismatic, but they use their talented social skills in manipulative and self-centered ways.” from a site re: The Difference Between a Sociopath, a Compulsive, a Pathological, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar: http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html It’s a VERY SOMBER fact. I absolutely agree with your inference and would like to offer this article to those that can read Hungarian to back it up. I have referred to this article in my comment yesterday and I do find it absolutely chilling. It analyses the behaviour and characteristics of not only Orbán but some of his lieutenants as well. Sociopaths they all are, but he uses the word psychopath quite often too. Is it an overstatement, or do any of you agree? Apologies that I have no time… Read more »
JGrant
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I am reposting my comment from yesterday for those that might not bother to track back, as I have only got back to this blog today. I, in no way, meant to diminish Prof. Balogh’s achievements in informing that part of the world that only reads English about our sufferings currently in our homeland. Please forgive my occasinal bursts of frustration! “”Quote Eva S. Balogh : JGrant: “I enjoy your comments most of the time, but currently it is becoming a tad irritating how every idiotic and therefore totally predictable madness that OV puts out gets an amazed reaction from you.” Perhaps for you who knows the situation very well it might be boring or even irritating. However, I think it is important to chronicle of Viktor Orbán’s doings. Spectrum is partly for an audience that might not be so well informed than you. Fair comment. I take your criticism and hope that you and the other commenters will forgive me for the occasional burst of frustration. Yes, your role in advising the world that wants to know about what is going on in Hungary is invaluable. Only yesterday I had an e-mail from a lecturer friend in England whom… Read more »
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rrres13
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sackhoes contributor – you are the good Hungarian, and your assistance is hotly sought, to mount a cavaliery campaign to change the mind of the Hungarians in America, to end their enthusiastic support for Orban, the fake Messiah.

The challenge is to mobilize minds, to shed all fears, and fight for the principles of freedom.

Orban polarized the people, Hungarians in Hungary, the multiple generations of emigrant Hungarians, and the rest of Europe.

He offered alliance to everyone who wanted to breach the unity of Hungary and Europe.

He invited all reactionary force to come out into the light, hate and ruin the enlightened policy of the late Jozsef Antal, the democratic development of Hungary.

He found too many allies in this nasty act.

The losers are all free people.

rrres13
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JGrant – you analyzed the blog quite correctly. We agree that the Hungarian Spectrum blog represents a super value, while other efforts have to be developed to end the Orban dictatorship.

Every day, the readers are adding valuable comments, with the words of Petofi, Paul……to emphasize our opposition against the Orban created chaos and polarization.

The comments in this blog are great contributions in the fight against the Orban clique.

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2011-2012

EU Money —-> Agency of the Orban government ——> Companies in Seychelles & others

http://atlatszo.blog.hu/2013/05/18/tovabbi_offshore_hatteru_cegek_kaptak_tobb_szaz_millio_forintos_eu-tamogatast

petofi
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tappanch :
2011-2012
EU Money —-> Agency of the Orban government ——> Companies in Seychelles & others
http://atlatszo.blog.hu/2013/05/18/tovabbi_offshore_hatteru_cegek_kaptak_tobb_szaz_millio_forintos_eu-tamogatast

Well done, tap.
Now, why doesn’t the opposition scream this from newspaper ads all over Hungary? (Or, do they first skim off a sizable % from donations for themselves first? A little transparency on donations would be a good place to start in promoting good governance…)

Minusio
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Unfortunately, sticking a proper label on Orbán doesn’t change things. I wonder what it takes to reach out to the 50+% of the nonvoters to get them interested in constructive politics, to change their views, open their eyes, make them Europeans again – make them citizens!

Member

Orban would make fantastic blackjack player. Every new lie is bigger then one one before and most normal politicians would stand but this guy keeps getting hits and still doesn’t go bust. Amazing!

Of course he knows better his compatriots. Here is an illustration. Watch this wonderful contemporary Hungarian folks song gem by Rosy on the Echo TV (Nazi TV). English subs by me.

petofi
Guest

Disgusting stuff, Mutt, that video. I had a fine retort for grandma but finally, even I had to shrink from the harshness of it…

petofi
Guest

By the way, the video is indicative of the thinking of the Orban-Faithful. Grandma sings
that her purse is empty, empty, empty….but that Orban will fill it.(!!)
Imagine that. The very person who’s stealing everything will fill her up!!!!
How can you fight that….?

petofi
Guest

(Sorry, ideas are coming in spurts today.)

Has anyone listed for her the vast holdings of Viktor, and how a man who has never held a job is able to own multi-million (euro not forint) homes and an SUV that cost at least 70,000?

Guest

Not too much OT:

M1 tv just ran a program (again!) on Bajnai and the “goose company” . Fidesz must be really afraid of him, trying character assassination again and again …

Orbán probably got his money from the grateful people sending their measly Forints to him …

Or what do you think ?

Sassasi
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Wolfi, wrong, Fidesz is not so much afraid, as they simply have the capacity to do it, and it is more strategically important to “kill” Bajnai first than to start with Mesterhazi (who is anyway unknown, mixed up with the other Mesterhazi who sat in jail, and is a true “communist”, being member of the MSZP, plus with MSZP you can always count on a deal). I am pretty sure Fidesz prepared for a much tighter campaign (even at this stage) and I think they are a bit at loss what to do. I mean they will spend a lot of money on increasing public sector wages etc. but as to ‘campaign proper’ they are more prepared than what they seem to do. If they deal with Bajnai too much, even in a negative way, such exposure would assign Bajnai more importance than it is seen from the polls. So simply this particular tv show has no importance, although Fidesz will spend a lot on the goose issue. But this is not a game changer. The impotence of MSZP and Bajnai is. Fidesz always prepares for a blood bath, real take no prisoner style action (planned for several steps ahead),… Read more »
enuff
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“I would like to make it perfectly clear that I will never turn my back on our supporters. Why is it wrong if entrepreneurs who share our values and otherwise fulfill the requirements win these tenders?… To turn our backs on our own voters, our followers (hiveink), our supporters just because we politicians will receive less criticism this way, that I will never accept. We have to endure these criticisms because if our followers cannot count on us, who can?”

When I read this statement in the morning, it boils me up. Unbelievable!! May I remind him that not only the fideszers are paying tax!!

Just basing on this arrogance, should make it easier to the undecided to make a decision on who they want to back.

Petofi1
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@ enuff

How right you are!

But forget Arrogance….does this sound like the head of a country who, supposedly, is entrusted to treat citizens equally? Isn’t this how the head of a DEMOCRATIC country is supposed to deal with all his citizens?

This quote should be plastered everywhere in Hungary…every day…from now until the election. This alone should disqualify Orban as head-of-country material of a civilized, European country in the 21st century.

Petofi1
Guest

correction: “Is this…” rather than, “Isn’t this…”

tappanch
Guest

Attention:

The Hungarian Green Book or
the framework ethical code for the planned Fascist-type corporations.

Straight from the Hungarian government.

http://www.kormany.hu/download/4/d5/c0000/Etikai_kovetelmenyekrol_Zold_Konyv_ tarsadalmi_egyeztetesre.pdf

tappanch
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tappanch
Guest

The first corporations will be created for the public servants [renamed government servants] and for the nationalized school teachers.

1. Allegiance or Loyalty
“we shall strive to accomplish the goals our elected or appointed leaders order”
2. National interest

petofi
Guest

tappanch :
The first corporations will be created for the public servants [renamed government servants] and for the nationalized school teachers.
1. Allegiance or Loyalty
“we shall strive to accomplish the goals our elected or appointed leaders order”
2. National interest

“Order, ORDER!??” Even the terminology has become totalitarian!

I’ll order a schlitz and a schnitzel–kosher, please.

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