Two visits to Felcsút, the capital of Orbanistan

Let’s pay a virtual visit to Felcsút, which Gordon Bajnai, former prime minister of Hungary, a few months ago called “the capital of Orbanistan.” It is not a friendly place if the many security guards, cameramen, party secretaries, and Fidesz devotees suspect that you aren’t one of them. The reception is especially frosty if any of these people either recognize you or are alerted to your coming.

It was on July 18 that Gordon Bajnai and a couple of his fellow politicians, accompanied by members of the media, paid a visit to Felcsút to take a look at the work being done on the enormous, lavish football stadium erected indirectly on public  money. You must understand that this is the village where Prime Minister Viktor Orbán grew up and where he now has a home. Since Bajnai’s trip was announced in advance, the “welcoming committee” was already waiting for him. At the end Bajnai’s mini bus was practically forced out of the place. This “forcible removal” was described by Gabriella Selmeczi, one of Fidesz’s spokespersons, as a cowardly act on the part of the former prime minister. She said that “Bajnai slunk away.”

The other former prime minister who decided to pay a visit to the capital of Orbanistan was Ferenc Gyurcsány. Accompanied by Zsolt Gréczy, DK’s newly appointed spokesman, and a camera crew, he went to Felcsút yesterday to make a film about the recent “improvements” in the village of 1,000 inhabitants with a football stadium under construction for 3,500. The difference was that Felcsút was not prepared, so no screaming men and women waited for Gyurcsány as they did for Bajnai.

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This is what Ferenc Gyurcsány said about their visit on Facebook. He described the village as “a nice place and very safe where one can never feel alone.” Here is the longer version of the story. “We stopped at the sign indicating that we had entered Felcsút. We had a few takes and were ready to drive on when a young man knocked on the window of the car.

–What can I do for you?– I asked.

–Hello, Mr. Prime Minister Candidate, what are you doing here. Is there perhaps some kind of event to be held here?

–No, there won’t be any event. In any case, it isn’t any of your business. Are you a policeman?

–No, I’m not a policeman, I’m the Fidesz secretary of the electoral district.

–Well, Mr. Secretary, you have no right to inquire about what I’m doing here, so goodbye.

But by that time there were at least two cameras, several people, and a car. We went ahead, but our new acquaintances followed us and thus we entered Felcsút as part of a convoy. How nice. “Surely, they worry about our security and that’s why they are following us,” I whispered to Gréczy. We stopped at the stadium under construction. So did our companions. We went about our business and they followed us everywhere while they kept taking pictures. Meanwhile the secretary wanted to have a conversation with me by all means. I guess he liked me.

–My dear Mr. Secretary, if you really want to talk to me, call the DK center and ask for an appointment and then I’ll see what I can do for you, but please not now, allow me to work.

I encourage everyone to go to Felcsút. Take a still camera and a video camera along. Show some interest in the place. You will find friends and companions. The program is not expensive but  amusing. After all, there are not too many occasions nowadays to be amused. So, let’s be merry in Felcsút.

That was Gyurcsány’s experience. Now let’s turn back to Bajnai’s visit and see in more detail what happened to him. Bajnai, accompanied by Gergely Karácsony and Tímea Szabó, tried to take a look at the “sights and developments” of the village. There were demonstrators waiting for the group already in Budapest with a banner that had appeared many times earlier: “The mafia left together,” said the sign, which was adorned with the pictures of Bajnai, Gyurcsány, Mesterházy, and Portik, a man of the underworld. Another group of demonstrators waited for them in Felcsút where the police decided that it was not safe for the visitors to leave the bus. It was only outside of the city limit that the politicians of Együtt-2014-PM managed to hold a press conference. The site was, according to Lőrinc Mészáros, mayor of Felcsút, director of the Puskás Academy, and a close friend of Orbán, “right next to the garbage dump.” Of course, Mészáros later emphasized that the town fathers are always happy to receive any visitors, but they must announce their visit ahead of time. Then they will proudly show them everything.

Here is a footnote to the Gyurcsány visit. This afternoon a young man who happens to be a member of the Puskás Academy phoned into György Bolgár’s talk show. Even before he began talking about the Felcsút visit there was no question about his devotion to Viktor Orbán and the cause. He claimed that he was about 10 meters from Gyurcsány’s car and that the former prime minister’s description of what happened was all wrong. According to him, he was sitting in the dining room of the Puskás Academy with the Academy’s full-time camera man whose job it is to record the matches. The camera man recognized Gyurcsány and decided to follow him around to document his presence in town. After all, said the young man, this is the instinct of a good camera man. He didn’t know whether this camera man was the Fidesz secretary of the electoral district or not.

The capital of Orbanistan is obviously determined to shield itself from the prying eyes of the lying “mafia.” And if it can’t completely shield itself, at least it can document what the “foreigners” are doing so as to counteract any lies they might concoct about the idyllic town.

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Julie
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“Of course, Mészáros later emphasized that the town fathers are always happy to receive any visitors, but they must announce their visit ahead of time. Then they will proudly show them everything.”

Wow. Do they have any idea how creepy they sound?

haj-f'ing-ra
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Member

This is silly. Don’t tell me Gyurcsany’s visit 3 days before the Royal Wedding was an accident.

Poor comrade secretary won’t be off Xanax for two weeks …

Sa
Guest

OT:

I wonder if the Fidesz has heard about the rule of diminishing returns?

The new utility price decrease of 10% in addition to previous rate cuts (i.e. 20% price cuts in electricity and natural gas compared to last year’s December) will have the same popularity increase (about 6% according to some polls) or less?

Anyway, there has been no investment whatsoever in the utility industry in Hungary in the last couple of years and we will end up like Venezuela, whose energy sectors despite having one of the biggest oil reserves is so bad, they have no electricity much if the day. (Only, we don’t even have oil).

Mutt
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Today in the middle of the Fidesz parliamentary group’s session that was about to decide about the next utility price decrease … they lost power. They made the decision in the afternoon when the power came back.

andrás
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I bet that Gyurcsány and his advisors are being tracked continuously, e.g. if they have any mobile phone with them, their positions are being checked at every second, their conversations listened to, emails read.

Although I also think that Gyurcsány himself and his friends have been working with the assumption that whatever they do, they are continuously monitored and reported on to Orbán and his henchmen.

I am sure that the fact that Gyurcsány was tailed 5 minutes after he was at the town border was a result of his continuous survaillance, although surely the local Fideszniks organised themselves well given the media interest in this weird town.

Karl Pfeifer
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Mutt :
Today in the middle of the Fidesz parliamentary group’s session that was about to decide about the next utility price decrease … they lost power. They made the decision in the afternoon when the power came back.

Last night at ATV Egyenes Beszéd Tibor Szanyi suggested to slash VAT on food from 27 to 5%.
In Austria we have a 20% VAT and on food a 10%

Ron
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Karl Pfeifer :

Mutt :
Today in the middle of the Fidesz parliamentary group’s session that was about to decide about the next utility price decrease … they lost power. They made the decision in the afternoon when the power came back.

Last night at ATV Egyenes Beszéd Tibor Szanyi suggested to slash VAT on food from 27 to 5%.
In Austria we have a 20% VAT and on food a 10%

Here you have the list per country with standard and reduced rates. Look at Hungary, especially the reduced rates. There are one or two.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf

Ron
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About the VAT rates. I love the comment on page 6 about mother milk of the below mentioned pdf file.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf

tappanch
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MNB reserves were at a 4-year low, at 30.55 billion euros on 08-31-2013.
(Only about 10% of the money belongs to the government)

When Matolcsy from Fidesz took over the Central Bank MNB at the end of February,
the reserves amounted to 35.90 billion euros.

Gross debt of the central government was at an all-time high of 74.9 billion euros on 07-31-2013.

Ron
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tappanch :
MNB reserves were at a 4-year low, at 30.55 billion euros on 08-31-2013.
(Only about 10% of the money belongs to the government)
When Matolcsy from Fidesz took over the Central Bank MNB at the end of February,
the reserves amounted to 35.90 billion euros.
Gross debt of the central government was at an all-time high of 74.9 billion euros on 07-31-2013.

Yep I noticed it, and the HUF is getting weaker to the EUR. The petrol prices are sky high now. HUF 427 per liter E95. Strangely, when that happened in 208 Fidesz was complaining to the government about this situation. Now you do not hear them, nor the people.

oneill
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“The capital of Orbanistan is obviously determined to shield itself from the prying eyes of the lying “mafia.” And if it can’t completely shield itself, at least it can document what the “foreigners” are doing so as to counteract any lies they might concoct about the idyllic town.”

What would be really interesting is if some really “foreigners” eg Reuters, The Guardian, CNN (with the obvious exception of Orban’s poodle pal at the BBC, Nick Thorpe) where to turn up at Inbredsville, unannounced.

Real foreigner lying media could quite possibly cause mass spontaneous combustion in the brains of the local Fidesz mafia.

Paul
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Ron : Karl Pfeifer : Mutt : Today in the middle of the Fidesz parliamentary group’s session that was about to decide about the next utility price decrease … they lost power. They made the decision in the afternoon when the power came back. Last night at ATV Egyenes Beszéd Tibor Szanyi suggested to slash VAT on food from 27 to 5%. In Austria we have a 20% VAT and on food a 10% Here you have the list per country with standard and reduced rates. Look at Hungary, especially the reduced rates. There are one or two. http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf Fascinating reading, Ron. Particularly if you compare the UK and Hungarian rates and exemptions. Our rate is ‘only’ 20% and zero on most of the exemption categories, Hungary’s rate is 27% and almost every category that is excepted in the UK is taxed in Orbánisztán – sometimes at a lower rate, but often at the full rate (food for instance!). Given the compound effect of this, there’s a fair chance that VAT is actually the highest ‘personal’ tax in Hungary – i.e. much more burdensome than income tax. And, because VAT is a non-progressive tax, it will always hit the poor… Read more »
Paul
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As for the situation in Felcút – this is a fascinating little peek under the cloak of tolerance and normality that Orbán wraps himself in. If he can do this in one village, he can do it (and worse) anywhere he likes. Who would/could stop him?

We may fear that he wants to a dictator in a one-party state, but – too late – he already is.

If anyone still thinks, after this little glimpse of the reality of Orbánisztán, that Orbán can still be removed by democratic means (even with a united and functional opposition), they are living in La-La Land.

Mutt
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ROYAL WEDDING UPDATE

Workers are painting the walls and erasing the graffiti on Catholic church on Margit körút. Pot holes are being repaired on the sidewalks in front of the church and behind it in the park. People in the hood are happy. These would never happen without the wedding.

Somebody wrote a letter to his Majesty and asked his permission to date his other daughter, Sara. He asked if they would wed, the procession should go through several major roads in Budapest and if time permits they should also touch a few neighborhoods on the outskirts of Budapest.

Guest

“VAT is actually the highest ‘personal’ tax in Hungary – i.e. much more burdensome than income tax. And, because VAT is a non-progressive tax, it will always hit the poor proportionately harder.”

That’s the problem exactly, Paul – you’re 100 % correct!

Most foods are more expensive in Hungary because of that 18/27 % while in Germany we pay only 7 % VAT for basic foodstuff. We’re in Germany right now and my wife has already prepared lots of things to take to Hungary next week – not only food but also a lot of used clothes that our friends and family give to us instead of the red cross, sometimes I’m thinking about buying a bigger car …

I’ve told everybody about this and about the income level in Hungary being less than a quarter of the German – so people know that their clothes will be really appreciated!

I’ve said it before:

The high VAT combined with the flat income tax means:

Reverse Robin Hood – Steal from the poor to give to the rich!

Jimmy
Guest

These events are not just about Viktor Orbán doing his reality show before the elections because voters (especially women, sorry for the stereotyping, but it’s true, they are the readers of Best and Story and Kiskegyed which count in politics as opposed to HVG and Élet és Irodalom) just love weddings, it’s also about Rasi Orbán herself.

Mark my words, in a couple of years Ráchel will enter politics.

By that time, nobody will remember these crazy events, like the sudden public money renovations of the road leading to the Tiborcz-compound and of Margit körút, as well as the church itself where the wedding will be held.

She will be a well-known personality and the obvious successor of Orban (Viktor), the 1st.

Ron
Guest

Wolfi: The high VAT combined with the flat income tax means:
Reverse Robin Hood – Steal from the poor to give to the rich!

Your statement is far from complete. People paying their taxes and not being from Fidesz, hit 6 times by the Hungarian system.

High VAT rate,
flat rate income tax without tax credits,
high social security charges (29%)
Not be able to taking up loans from banks
Pension premiums (stole by the government)
High costs of living (high energy prices)

People not paying their taxes only the high VAT rate. They pay low Social Security, no pension premiums, banks will provide loans to them. The high costs of living is charged via the company they have and can evade their taxes.

Member

Jimmy :
She will be a well-known personality and the obvious successor of Orban (Viktor), the 1st.

V. Orban = Orban The 5th (like Lenin The 6th)

Karl Pfeifer
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Mutt :

Jimmy :
She will be a well-known personality and the obvious successor of Orban (Viktor), the 1st.

V. Orban = Orban The 5th (like Lenin The 6th)

there was no Lenin the 6th but Orbán the second sounds realistic
ex oriente lux
Kim Il-sung Viktor Orbán
Kim Jong-il Rachel Orbán
Kim Jong-un

Guest

Who is next in line for a pilgrimage to Felcsut?

Member

Karl Pfeifer :
Kim Jong-un

Kim Jong-deux
Kim Jong-trois

I need a drink.

Tyrker
Guest

Karl Pfeifer :
there was no Lenin the 6th

Can’t believe that one has to explain a decades-old joke to you Karl. Lenin’s initials were V.I. (for Vladimir Ilyich, naturally) and VI is the Roman numeral for 6 – this is why V.I. Lenin was called Lenin the 6th. Similarly, V for Viktor is the Roman numeral for 5. Hence Mutt’s tongue-in-cheek suggestion.

Member

ROYAL WEDDING UPDATE

Szelim Simandi, one of the founders of the Egyutt 2014 and another party activist was arrested by the police on the Margit Korut at the Franciscan Church, where Princesse Rachel, daughter of His Majesty Orban The 5th, will wed Mr. Tiborc on Sunday.

They scratched “Royal Wedding” into the wet concrete that was used to fill a pot hole at the church entrance.

Member

ROYAL WEDDING UPDATE

There is a new rumor that the Orbans will throw money into the crowd !!! Spread the news !!!

oneill
Guest

Sad to say, if King Vic V were to promise a visit from the Archangel Gabriel at the church tomorrow, a sizeable proportion of Orbanistan would be there to greet her. With Arpad flags obviously.

Paul
Guest

Tyrker :

Karl Pfeifer :
there was no Lenin the 6th

Can’t believe that one has to explain a decades-old joke to you Karl. Lenin’s initials were V.I. (for Vladimir Ilyich, naturally) and VI is the Roman numeral for 6 – this is why V.I. Lenin was called Lenin the 6th. Similarly, V for Viktor is the Roman numeral for 5. Hence Mutt’s tongue-in-cheek suggestion.

Thank you, Tyrker – now at last I understand the Orbán 5th joke!

(I did however get the “Kim Jong-deux, Kim Jong-trois” joke a lot quicker!)

Paul
Guest

Eva S. Balogh :

Eva S. Balogh :
OT: Videos and pictures about the Hungarian “fans” in Bucharest. Under one of the pictures, the blog writer wrote: “Downtown Bucharest after the arrival of the Mongols.

Sorry, I left out the link:
http://dotoho.blog.hu/2013/09/06/ti_vagytok_a_magyar_szurkolok

Awful. Reminds me of how ashamed I have felt to be English so many times in the past.

Should do a lot to ‘enhance’ Romanian-Hungarian relations.

I wonder how long it will be before Orbán decide to ‘solve’ the football hooligan problem by recruiting them into a ‘cadet force’ to assist the police. Maybe with a uniform of brown shirts?

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