Attack on the United States and friendship with “tolerant” Russia

Don’t think that the Hungarian government’s attack on the incoming American ambassador is independent of the Hungarian-Russian deal on the Paks power plant. Oh no, both have a great deal to do with the Hungarian government’s continuing war of independence. The newest ally in this fight is the “tolerant” and democratic Russia under Vladimir Putin. At least this is what András Bencsik, one of the organizers of the Peace Marches that demonstrated against the European Union, thinks.

If you think that I’m joking, you are wrong. Serious efforts are being made by Fidesz-Jobbik supporters  to recreate the old Soviet/Russian friendship from which twenty-three years ago Hungarians were happy to escape. The Fidesz-Jobbik label is not a mistake on my part. I consider Zsolt Bayer, András Bencsik, Gábor Széles and others involved in the Peace March movement outright anti-Semite neo-Nazis. And yes, they are supporters of the present government. The two are not mutually exclusive alternatives.

It all started with the letter addressed to Colleen Bell, the U.S. ambassador designate, who was accused by Gergely Gulyás, an influential member of Fidesz and an MP, of representing the interests of the Hungarian opposition. She was told in no uncertain terms that the Hungarian people will not stand for the tutelage of a foreign power. There is even talk of dragging the new ambassador before a parliamentary committee investigating American illegal spying on Hungarian politicians, including perhaps Viktor Orbán.

Of course, we all know that Gergely Gulyás would never dare to make such a frontal attack on the United States on his own. There is no question in my mind that a vicious anti-American propaganda is under way which might be connected to the forthcoming election as well as the possible domestic opposition to the Russian-Hungarian deal on Paks. In any case, the innocent victim of the political and diplomatic game will be Colleen Bell, who has not the foggiest idea what is waiting for her. I suspect she will soon be sorry that she ever had ambassadorial ambitions.

As soon as Gulyás set the tone, everybody on the right felt free to join the offensive. Even our “moderate” János Martonyi decided to line up and move Hungary’s attack against the United States abroad. He gave an interview to the Budapest correspondent of The Wall Street Journal in which he “urged the incoming U.S. ambassador to Budapest to stay independent in her judgment after Colleen Bradley Bell voiced concerns about the state of checks and balances in Hungary and independence of some of the country’s institutions.”

Naturally, Martonyi is more diplomatic than the far-right-wing Fidesz supporters like András Bencsik who feel just as comfortable in Jobbik’s Hungarian Guard as in Fidesz (and earlier, in the case of Bencsik, in communist circles). Bencsik is a man of action. This morning he wrote a short piece on Facebook in which he announced his plans to organize another Peace March, not surprisingly a week before the election, on March 29. Of course, one goal is to fire up the core Fidesz electorate. But it will be a demonstration against the United States “which takes up the role of the Soviet Union. It doesn’t send ambassadors but arrogant regional governors, instructors, commissars to the subjugated country whose job is to relay tidbits of the ideas of the enslaved people to the heart of the empire. Their job is to force these primitive people to lead a prescribed life: ‘checks and balances and marijuana.'” The last refers to President Obama’s views on the legalization of marijuana. “In comparison Russia is the home of tolerance.”

Bencsik in this Facebook note interprets “checks and balances” as some kind of geopolitical balance that was, for example, practiced by the princes of Transylvania who maneuvered  between the Ottoman and the Habsburg Empires. With closer relations with Russia, Bencsik argues, Hungary can have a larger role to play in foreign affairs and will thus receive greater independence. Of course, not everybody will be happy with this new Russian-Hungarian friendship, just as Izsák Schulhof mourned the departure of the Turks from Buda. What? Who is this Schulhof? Bencsik, an anti-Semite, naturally found his anti-Hungarian Jew who allegedly mourned the departure of the escaping Turks from Buda in 1686. As usual, the story is not accurate. A friend of mine sent me a link to a letter of a historian of the Budapest Historical Museum which sets the story straight. It seems that these anti-Semites manage to find some usually untrue story to depict Jews as historically against the Hungarian nation. The implication of Bencsik’s reference to Schulhof is that only Jews complain about the foreign policy of Viktor Orbán which otherwise gives greater leeway for diplomatic maneuvering and therefore is beneficial to Hungary.

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Some Hungarian weeklies had fantastic covers depicting this new love affair between Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin. András Bencsik’s Magyar Demokrata, on the other hand, decided to feature the new “museum quarter” in the heart of Budapest.

Heti Válasz opted for word play on “pax vobiscum” from the Catholic mass,  meaning “peace be with you,” while Figyelő talked about “atomic power.” HVG reminded its readers of the “Eastern bloc.” I especially like Magyar Narancs’s “The country is on Putin’s hook.” The pictures appeared on 444.hu.

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petofi
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This should be no secret: Orban is attempting to set the pre-election debate topics by putting forward hot-button topics such as foreign interference and constant jewish whining. He wants
people to be inflamed on both sides. He doesn’t want to answer to unemployment figures, the lack of foreign investments, the hundreds of thousands of young emigrating, of the land theft by his cronies, of his total deconstruction of civil society and the rule of law. No.

‘Let’s set the fires burning. Is there a Reichstag around? Maybe not, but we can inflame our followers against these ivory tower socialists who want to betray our ancient, Christian ways.
We’ll show them that we know who our friends are! We won’t be deterred from blessing our future young with the stability and contented calm of many years of surplus energy. We’ll be
respected. We’ll be the saviours of Europe!!’

Mr. Paul
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“we all know that Gergely Gulyás would never dare to make such a frontal attack on the United States on his own.” I don’t think writing a letter is really the same as a frontal attack, and also Gulyás is an MP as you wrote, and he has at least 263 friends in that same category as him. If we follow your description that a letter is a “frontal attack” what can we call the acts of the Blind Kommondor guy? Genocide against women? I mean if we use up all the strong words what are we left with, when we are not describing mildly interesting letters written by a Member of Parliament? I mean you are right that it was criticism against the future ambassador, but I think you yourself wrote earlier that the ambassador candidate also had some critical comments earlier. On the other parts of the post. On the role of Izsák Schulhuf I read the link that you sent but that seems to be referring to something in 2005. Is he also becoming part of the 2014 debate too somehow? I didn’t quite understand what was going on, can you also link the 2014 message where… Read more »
Mutt
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Bencsik’s organization, the Civil Összefogás Fórum, in English something like Civil Unity Forum, is now called Cyril Unity Forum.

An
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Mr Paul: Gulyas and the his colleagues are Fidesz droid button pushers, not MPs, who only say and write what was ordered in party headquarters. They would never publish such a rant (or anything) without a directive from above. This is how it works in Orbanistan.

petofi
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HOLLYWOOD TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR VICTOR ORBAN!

Apparently, the grapevine has it, that Hollywood is in full support of Mr. Orban–Mel Gibson, and his father, will be alighting at Ferihegy to help the Fidesz campaign a week before the vote takes place.

Bowen
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petofi :
HOLLYWOOD TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR VICTOR ORBAN!
Apparently, the grapevine has it, that Hollywood is in full support of Mr. Orban–Mel Gibson, and his father, will be alighting at Ferihegy to help the Fidesz campaign a week before the vote takes place.

What, this Mel Gibson?
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2012/apr/12/mel-gibson-jews-joe-eszterhas

Marcel Dé (@MarcelD10)
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“In comparison Russia is the home of tolerance.” Sure. És Amerikában meg verik a négereket, comrade Bencsik! Konstantin Dolgov must love you…

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/23/us-russia-gay-eu-idUSBREA0M1SL20140123

tappanch
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1.
Orban and his friends think that Putin is a member of the Chornye Sotni.

2.
I read Yitzhak Schulhoff’s memoirs that were published in Hungarian. Of course, he mourned the Christian capture of Buda in 1686, since most of his community was slaughtered in the synagogues, including his entire family; he was kept alive for ransom that was paid by Austrian Jews later.

tappanch
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Schulhoff: Budai Krónika, published by Magyar Helikon 1979

Paul
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It strikes me that a picture of Orbán making his famous ‘Russians go home” speech, with appropriate quotes from that speech would make a good election poster for the opposition…

buddy
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Interestingly, Gulyás also claimed in his letter that “a rendszerváltás óta soha nem volt annyi külföldi tőkebefektetés Magyarországon, mint tavaly”, or that there was more foreign capital investment in Hungary last year than any year since the regime change.

Granted, I don’t have the data myself, but if that’s really true, I’ll eat my hat. Probably the actual data for 2013 isn’t available yet, but does anybody have the estimates for FDI in Hungary last year?

tappanch
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@Buddy

Official numbers are here
http://www.mnb.hu/Root/Dokumentumtar/ENMNB/Statisztika/mnben_statisztikai_idosorok/mnben_kozetlen_tokebef/kulf_kozv_tokebef_mo_eur_en.xls

2012: 3.755 – 1.337= 1.378 billion euros net inflow
2013 first 3 quarters: -0.566 -0.552= 1.008 billion euros of new OUTflow

So the results are miserable.

I do not know whether these numbers include the perhaps 5 billions in EU support.

tappanch
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tappanch
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THis is a seven page excerpt above out of 50 pages.

tappanch
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I can even see a deliberate, slightly hidden and atrocious psychology in Bencsik’s writing.

1.
Bencsik hides the the reason of Schulhof’s mourning in his article.
He claims that Schulhof mourned the Turks, because he liked them better than than the Christians.

2.
Schulhof was sad because his family and community were murdered and robbed in 1686.
The Jews are now sad because their families and communities were murdered and robbed in 1944.

3.
Bencsik PUBLICLY ridicules Schulhoff’s mourning of hiss loss,
but he PRIVATELY ridicules the Jews of 2014 for mourning their loss in 1944 in private.

tappanch
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correction: delete the last two words in 3. “in private”

Marcel Dé (@MarcelD10)
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Eva S. Balogh : Marcel Dé (@MarcelD10) : “In comparison Russia is the home of tolerance.” Sure. És Amerikában meg verik a négereket, comrade Bencsik! Konstantin Dolgov must love you… http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/23/us-russia-gay-eu-idUSBREA0M1SL20140123 Marcel, you don’t understand. Gays are something else. You mean the whole 153 pages of the report are about that? I knew they were obsessed, but… Just for fun, a except of the pages dedicated to Hungary in last year’s Russian report (which was only 65 pages so I guess the EU is dangerously slipping, must be that gay thing): “In particular, a new Constitution of Hungary which entered into force on January 1, 2012 draws criticism. According to experts, the document does not fully correspond to European democratic criteria, because it upsets the “system of checks and balances” adopted in Western countries. It also contains references to “the great history of the Hungarian nation” and “the role of Christian values” in its formation. Of particular concern is the declared policy towards revising the modern history and the results of the Second World War. Thus, in the preamble to the Constitution it is stated that Hungary allegedly lost its state sovereignty on March 19, 1944 (the entry of German… Read more »
Kramnyik
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The Russia-worshipping Peace March with all the deranged theories behind it, is now a sign of insanity. There are no better words. But do not expect any Fidesznik to ask any questions about this u-turn. Those Fidesznik politicians who remained with Fidesz, were selected for their unquestioned loyalty, so they all support Paks II, any necessary dams, or the denouncement of the US (it will soon be the Satan, I am sure) and the sudden worship of Russia (Jobbik already do all these). Nobody has in Fidesz the right to make statements alone like Gulyas or Martonyi did. That is unthinkable. There is no question that Gulyas and others are not MPs in any Western meaning of the word. They have only one job: to execute the command from above. Now that command is to kick into the US. Especially now that Russia is with us and will protect us, after all it is now their interest too to protect their business from any interference (including domestic opposition). ‘Remember US, you can defeat anybody in the world, but you cannot defeat Russia (and China perhaps) and Russia now protects us.’ On the sanitized (very diplomatic) origo.hu (don’t forget Fidesz has… Read more »
tappanch
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Reading Bencsik’s facebook page, I have the impression that Orban scored an own goal with this “love Russia, hate US” campaign.

tappanch
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“It is a bit morbid to organize a peace march for an atomic power station”

petofi
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buddy : Interestingly, Gulyás also claimed in his letter that “a rendszerváltás óta soha nem volt annyi külföldi tőkebefektetés Magyarországon, mint tavaly”, or that there was more foreign capital investment in Hungary last year than any year since the regime change. Granted, I don’t have the data myself, but if that’s really true, I’ll eat my hat. Probably the actual data for 2013 isn’t available yet, but does anybody have the estimates for FDI in Hungary last year? Ahh that sneaky Hungarian mindset! I suspect that, when push comes to shove on this question, Gulyas will switch tracks (in typical Orban fashion) and say, “Well look at all the people investing in Hungarian government bonds!” I’ll bet on it. As for those bonds, scratch that particular American investment office and you might well find that the purchaser is Prokhorov or some other arm of Putin’s ‘foreign service’…(Allow me to refresh readers’ memories: When Putin declared that he wasn’t going to Switzerland to try and get the 2018 World Cup, he sent in his stead that Abramovitch-fella (of the longest yacht) with an entourage of some 40. Mr. Blatter was so overwhelmed by this entourage (not to mention the 20 million… Read more »
HistoryTeacher
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the right wing intellectuals are failing the nation again.
they will vote again for this illiberal team guided by finkelstein.
they are ready to follow the most idiotic leaders with cheap patriotic nonsense packages.
rakosi would be acceptable to them if he had uttered a few sentimental turul stories.

The bajnais and mesterhazys have got no brain. Have they read Hungarian history books? Can they quote one Deak story?

tappanch
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1.
Socio-psychological observation of the Fidesz fans by A. Tota:

The aged supporters of Fidesz seek community feeling

hvg. hu/itthon/20140123_Almodik_a_nyomor_rezsi_magyar_csapat

2.
Here is a medieval description of a “peace march”

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Pied_Piper2.jpg

k kehrer
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We do not need a brainless fashion designer to represent the US in Hungary.

One should dread the disastrous performance of her in the US congress. Totally unqualified political appointee like Monica of Clintons.

tetscher
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History Teacher,

Oh, Rakosi would absolutely be acceptable, except that he was a Jew. So a gentile Rakosi, yes, by all means, please, at last.

Hungarian right wing intellectual are first and foremost right wingers, you know. And a true right winger would rather cut his own leg than vote for Jews aka the leftists who really are just liberal-communist or liberal-fascist (come to think of it) plotters aka Jews. Nah. So, to the contrary, rather than failing the nation, right wingers are the real defenders of the nation against you know who.

tappanch
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Fidesz is holding 119, well organized town hall meetings in the 3 week period before the start of the official election campaign on February 15.

http://444.hu/2014/01/23/csak-gyurcsany-es-a-rezsi-van/

What is the opposition doing at the same time???

tetscher
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tappanch: we have been saying over and over again that Fidesz wins by creating a community. People do crave community. But the liberal, leftist, rationalist, technocratic politicians do not care about this, understand this, perhaps because they actually have such a community of friends, colleagues, class mates, relatives etc. So they can allow themselves (others) to be individualistic, because implicitly there is always a community behind them or are anyway in a web of OK personal relations. But most Hungarian people are alone and anxious, all research shows that they have very few friends, no self-confidence to exist alone, although they would love to have a great, loving family and be in a community. So there you go. Fidesz at every turn is trying to create communities (which of course it will want to lead and tie to Fidesz), whether they are sports clubs or religious organization. And lo and behold all of them from the national association of engineers to trade unions to any church organizations, all support Fidesz and would never dare to say anything against the official line. Are we still surprized that Orban can order 100.000 people for tomorrow to support the everlasting Soviet-Hungarian friendship? No… Read more »
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