Thousands of fraudulent endorsements and still no investigation

More and more evidence surfaces daily about large-scale electoral fraud even though the election is still more than a week away. Ever since March 1 there have been rumors about how newly established parties got hold of an incredible number of endorsements. Some of these parties were formed in order to receive generous government support, others to weaken Fidesz’s opposition. It was discovered early on that some, if not most, of the signatures were fake. In one case, one of the employees of the office handling election matters discovered his own name on an endorsement list. The man went to the local police, but the municipal official in charge of matters connected to the election refused to do anything because the fake signature “doesn’t materially influence the outcome.” After all, he claimed, the candidate has more than enough bona fide signatures. These are the people who are supposed to make sure that the election will not be fraudulent.

Soon enough it became clear that no one would check the validity of signatures even though a week later serious questions were raised. Attila Péterfalvi, the man responsible for data protection, didn’t seem to be bothered by proof of fraudulent endorsements. He announced that it would take too long to check the validity of the names and signatures. It would be impossible to undertake such an arduous task. I guess I don’t have to tell anyone that Péterfalvi, who was ombudsman before 2010, is a devoted Fidesz man.

I don’t know how long the Hungarian administration can maintain that everything is in perfectly good order given the current state of the election process. Three days ago one young man, who was a volunteer for the Magyarországi Cigánypárt (MCP), came forward. He claimed that not just MCP but to his knowledge at least four other parties exchanged lists and endorsements. Aladár Horváth, chairman of the Gypsy party, denied all charges. He denigrated the work of the volunteers who, according to him, did more harm than good, and he accused MSZP of hiring the young activist to level false charges against MCP. As he contended, MSZP has a Roma section that was opposed to Horváth and his friends organizing a separate party, and now these people are paying MCP back for being “traitors” to the cause.

Yesterday 8,000-10,000 photocopied endorsement lists were sent by an unnamed person to László Helmeczy, an Együtt-PM candidate who is a lawyer and a former Fidesz member. Helmeczy, by the way, must be an excellent lawyer because in the past important politicians asked him to represent them in politically motivated cases. For example, Ibolya Dávid, herself a lawyer and former minister of justice in the first Orbán administration. Or János Veres, former MSZP minister of finance in the Gyurcsány administration.

Tibor Szanyi (MSZP) and Viktor Szigetvári (Együtt-PM) immediately turned to the National Election Committee. It is the committee’s duty to investigate cases of electoral fraud.

After looking at the material, Összefogás came to the conclusion that not just five but ten parties were involved. Keep in mind that eighteen parties are on the ballot. Here is the list of parties that presumably submitted phony endorsements: Új Magyarország Párt, Új Dimenzió Párt, Kisgazdapárt-MIÉP, Szabad Választók Pártja, Szociáldemokraták Magyar Polgári Pártja, Sportos és Egészséges Magyarországért Párt, Magyarországi Cigány Párt, Összefogás Párt, Elégedetlenek Pártja, and Jólét és Szabadság Demokrata Közösség. Now it is up to the National Election Committee to decide what to do. Of course, it is possible that in usual Fidesz fashion the committee will simply ignore the whole thing, although I have the feeling that the government is already feeling the pinch of foreign criticism.

As a first line of defense the Hungarian government decided to “explain” that the critics are wrong and that the new Hungarian electoral law is much better than its predecessor, which was the result of a compromise between communist apparatchiks and the new opposition in 1989-1990. The document, which is unsigned, was distributed to a select list of Americans in the DC area. It answers the “myths” that are circulating about the Hungarian election and and gives the “facts.”

I would like to call attention to problems that the document doesn’t even try to tackle. For example, the handling of foreign votes; the distinction between new citizens and citizens by birth right; the very limited opportunities for the opposition to be heard; and the government propaganda that is being broadcast on public television and radio. And naturally it says nothing about fraud committed by the government-funded fake parties.

Three important civic supporters of Fidesz László dizmadia (FÖF), András Bencsik (Magyar Demokrata, and Zsolt Bayer (Magyar Hírlap

Three important organizers of CÖF/Békemenetth
László Csizmadia, András Bencsik, and Zsolt Bayer

Yesterday we got proof that CÖF, the famously” independent” civic organization that was suspected of receiving Fidesz and/or government financing, was indeed organized by Fidesz. A telephone conversation was recorded between a citizen and a Fidesz party official about a free bus ride to CÖF’s big demonstration next Saturday. It became apparent that Fidesz party headquarters is organizing the bus rides to the capital. All of CÖF’s campaign posters are in reality Fidesz posters.

Here is the Hungarian government’s propaganda leaflet, which might interest you.

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HUNGARY ELECTIONS: MYTHS AND FACTS

MYTH: The governing Fidesz-KDNP party alliance unilaterally and hastily changed a well-functioning electoral system before the elections to ensure electoral victory in 2014.

FACT: Hungary’s hybrid electoral system was one of the most complicated in Europe,1 mainly because it was a result of a difficult political compromise of the 1989/90 roundtable negotiations between the communist state party and the democratic opposition.2 Adjusting the electoral system was not Fidesz’s new idea. Since 1990, every major party in Hungary had their own reform proposals, but no party or coalition had a strong enough majority (two-thirds) to pursue fundamental changes in the electoral law. An average voter could not fully understand or explain how their votes turn into mandates. The system needed more transparency and simplification. The new electoral law was adopted in 2011, three years prior to the elections and the electoral procedural law was adopted in 2013, one year prior to the elections, following a 7 month long debate in Parliament. To predict that the new system will favor Fidesz is a hypothesis that lacks real empirical evidence, since the new system has never been tested before, all parties act under a veil of uncertainty. By now, one of the most obvious result of the electoral reform was that it made it easier for political parties to enter the race and register candidates, so if anything, it has widened the scope of democratic choice and enhanced political competition for all parties.3

MYTH: Establishing a single round of voting instead of the previous two round (run-off system) was designed to make it even harder for small parties to win seats in the individual districts.

FACT: The two-round system was costly and it became redundant because with time, parties adjusted electoral strategies and many of the races were already won in the first round of the elections (hence the traditionally low voter turnout in the 2nd round). Small parties never really had a good chance of winning seats through the individual districts alone, since winning these races required an absolute majority in the first round or a relative majority in the second round. Most importantly, the single round system increases transparency because previously small parties usually withdrew before the second round to support their political allies based on behind-the-scenes bargains in which the voters never had a say. Supporters of the smaller parties usually ended up voting for their first preference in the first round without knowing if their favorite party will even compete in the second round. The best hope of small parties has always been winning seats through the party list and compensation list and not in the individual districts.4

MYTH: Fidesz gerrymandered electoral districts to ensure its own victory.

FACT: Parliament was required to redraw the electoral districts for the 2010 elections, not only because the number of MPs was cut in half and the number of electoral districts was reduced, but also because the Constitutional Court invalidated the district map in 2010 so elections could not have been legitimately held on that basis. The electoral district map which was used for the past six elections was unilaterally drawn by communist party apparatchiks and implemented by a Ministerial Decree before the first democratic elections took place, the thus created district map was not subject of the grand bargains of the Roundtable negotiations and there was no system for revisions despite significant population changes in the last decades. The Constitutional Court ruled on two accounts that the existing voting districts are unconstitutionally disproportional (e.g. Constituency No. in Pest County: 74,000 voters vs. constituency No. 06 in Veszprém  County: 27,00 voters). The size of the Parliament was also reduced in 2010 from 386 (which was a disproportionately large number of MPs for a country of 10 million) to 199, which also necessitated changes in the districts. The current system takes into account the Venice Commission’s recommendations, i.e. that deviation from the norm should not be more than 10% or 15% (in special circumstances) and furthermore the new law stipulates a trigger for automatic redistricting in case the deviation from the norm in a district exceeds 20%. Gerrymandering in favor of any party is constrained in the current law since the districts are required to cover a contiguous territory and must remain within the county borders. Since the relevant law was adopted, no party filed a constitutional complaint to challenge the district boundaries.

MYTH: Fidesz raised the threshold for the opposition alliance from 5% to 15%.

FACT: The parliamentary threshold did not change since 1994. The threshold has always been higher for party alliances: 10 per cent for two parties running together and 15 per cent for more than two parties. The same rules applied in 2002 when Fidesz and MDF ran together and in 2006 and 2010 when Fidesz and KDNP ran together. And the same rules will apply this year for the Fidesz-KDNP list (10%) and the MSZP-Együtt-PM-DK-MLP alliance (15%).

MYTH: Fidesz granted voting rights to Hungarians abroad to win the elections.

FACT: First, Hungarian citizens living or temporarily residing abroad who had a permanent residence in Hungary had the right to vote since 2004. Second, the simplified naturalization of ethnic Hungarians living abroad who might or might not have a permanent address in Hungary was supported by all of the parties in the Parliament in 2010. Hungarians who do not have a permanent residence address in Hungary and have registered to vote can cast by mail only one vote for the party list, while those who have a permanent address have to vote in person at Hungarian embassies and consulates, but can cast two votes, one for the individual candidate in the district where their address is located and one for the party list. As a general rule, larger parties focus on winning individual districts where their comparative chances are better, while smaller parties benefit more from party lists because of the proportional system. Generally, whichever party wins in the individual districts also wins the elections, so the newly naturalized citizens’ vote (about 230,000 registered voters vs. 8 million eligible voters residing in Hungary) will only be decisive in a very close race. Besides, no opinion poll has ever been conducted on the political preferences of out of country vote, so any conclusion based on this cohort’s vote is extremely hypothetical.

MYTH: The new campaign finance law makes it easier for “fake political parties” to run on public money, which divides the anti-Fidesz vote.

FACT: The reason why the law on public financing of parties was introduced is precisely to bring accountability to the system. The new rules on how public money is spent are much stricter than the old rules, since the State Audit Office shall review the campaign spending of all parties that get into the Parliament. Besides, in a democratic society, one cannot distinguish between “fake parties” and “real parties.” Candidates who do not obtain parliamentary mandates and don’t get more than 2% of the votes must repay the public funding they have received which ensures that candidates who don’t have a legitimate support don’t receive undue taxpayer money.

MYTH: Political campaign ads were banned from commercial TV stations so voters won’t be able to make an informed decision.

FACT: On the contrary, campaign rules were tightened to make commercial TV campaigns more equitable and fair by providing equal representation in public media and requiring commercial channels to air political advertisements for free. Many European countries regulate campaign advertising. In Hungary, it was the decision of the individual private TV stations not to air political ads for free, which the government has no business in overwriting. But all the parties that were able to put up a national list now enjoy free equal airtime on public television and radio, which is a guaranteed platform widely accessible and regulated by strict rules to ensure fairness.

MYTH: The new electoral bodies are not independent.

FACT: There are two bodies overseeing and managing the elections: 1) the National Election Commission, whose tasks are establishing the results of the elections; ensuring the impartiality, fairness and legality of elections; adjudging legal remedies and restoring the legal order of elections if necessary; 2) the National Election Office, which is tasked with preparing and conducting elections (providing impartial information to voters, candidates and nominating organizations; aiding the activity of the National Election Commission; providing the material and technical conditions for the implementation of elections; and conducting the operation of election offices on territorial and local level). The members of the National Election Commission were previously nominated by the minister responsible for the elections, while now the President of the Republic nominates them and the Parliament confirms them by two-third-majority rather than by simple majority as previously. At the same time, the Commissioners’ mandate was extended from 4 to 9 years, i.e. longer than the parliamentary cycle, which is an attribute of independence. The commissioners’ benefits and remuneration are strictly regulated and they are now required to hold a law degree. As to the National Election Office, previously it operated as an arm of the executive branch (a department within the responsible ministry), with its head appointed by the responsible minister for an indefinite term. Now it functions as an autonomous body subject exclusively to the relevant law and hence it is separated from the executive branch. Its head is appointed by the President of the Republic for nine years.

NOTES

[1]The Hungarian hybrid system was a combination of the winner-takes-all system (see UK, US), proportional (PR) system (see GE, IT, ES) based on the Hagenbach-Bischoff formula, and compensation list based on the D’Hondt formula. It is therefore composed of (i) individual candidates running in voter districts and (ii) party lists. Voters cast their ballots both for an individual candidate and a party list.

[2]The communist state party and its successor (MSZP) was in favor of the winner takes all system since they were the only ones with national organization, while the newer, smaller parties were in favor of a PR (list) system which would have made sure that they are represented in parliament even if they cannot win in the individual districts.

[3]In the individual districts, a total of 810 candidates ran for elections in 2010, as opposed to 1,577 candidates running this year. Four years ago, only 6 parties could put up a national list, whereas this year 18 parties and 13 national minority party lists qualified. This means increased competition for Fidesz as much as for every other political group in the race.

[4]For example, SZDSZ in 2002 (13 out of 20 mandates won via compensation lists), MIÉP in 1998 (11 out of 14 won via compensation lists), Fidesz in 1994 (13 out of 20 won via compensation lists).

 

 

 

 

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Géza
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I am a magyar citizens by birth right who lives in another western Europian country. I got my votingpapers in a special sealed envelope and had to send it back in a sealed adressed (with special tape) envelope with my votingpaper in a closed blanco envelope inside. It looked very professional and well done! No, I am not a Fidesz man.

Bobba Fett
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A few minutes ago I was trying to see whether Balogh Éva ever gave any TV interviews so I put her name into youtube and tried a few search settings. Not what I expected but a very interesting video came up in which Viktor Szigetvári trashes Balogh quite hard. Says that Balogh comments are nothing more than a “vihar egy pohár vízben” and that there are more important thinkers like Niedermüller Péter. Here is the link to the video:

An
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@Bobba Fett: How lucky you’ve found it… it was just posted today an hour ago.

petofi
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@Bobba Fett

Another troll foot soldier let loose on this poor blog?

Caprice Goldberg
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How interesting, YouTube lists 5 views including mine, seems like “Bobba” just happened to find this video as soon as it was published and share it here with us. There is so much I could say but in such instances, I think that the facts speak for themselves and need no further comment…

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Géza :
I am a magyar citizens by birth right who lives in another western Europian country. I got my votingpapers in a special sealed envelope and had to send it back in a sealed adressed (with special tape) envelope with my votingpaper in a closed blanco envelope inside. It looked very professional and well done! No, I am not a Fidesz man.

Good for you! I am a Hungarian citizen, not by birthright but because actually I born in Hungary and because both of my parents are HUngarian. I did not receive the privilege to be able to vote by mail. In fact even after a I requested twice, I did not receive the right to vote!
By the way if you wish to vote from Vancouver you would only be 4000 km away from your voting location, as from Canada we are NOT allowed to mail in our votes!
How far would of been the closest voting location from you, may I ask? Why were you allowed to mail in your vote? Do you think this difference is professional and well done? Waiting for your answer.

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Bobba Fett :
A few minutes ago I was trying to see whether Balogh Éva ever gave any TV interviews so I put her name into youtube and tried a few search settings. Here is the link to the video:

I was viewer 6! You are a lucky guy Bobba Fett. You should play on the lottery if you just happened by this video on the same day it was posted. You came across with this so fast. LOL We had much better trolls than you here before.

out
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The trolls are definitely getting more active.

The first two comments right away, Geza and Boba Fett, but they will continue.

Jano
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I think this is Eva getting a little bit more into the spotlight, I sort of expect that this blog is going to be stormed by trolls pretty soon, let us value what we have as long as it lasts.

oneill
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I would respectfully suggest to Professor Balogh that she puts comment moderation on, at least for a couple of days.

Bowen
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Around the kiskorut in Budapest this morning, a number of adverts have appeared for a party called ‘Egyutt 2014′. The posters simply say ‘Vote for us’. No faces, no program.

This is not the same ‘Egyutt 2014′ that Bajnai represents. This is a mysterious party which appeared out of nowhere and took the same name. Of course, if anyone did vote for this ‘Egyutt 2014′ thinking it was Bajnai’s party, it would only benefit Fidesz.

http://444.hu/2014/03/24/misztikus-uzenettel-kampanyol-az-ismeretlen-egyutt-2014/

Géza
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Some1 : Géza : I am a magyar citizens by birth right who lives in another western Europian country. I got my votingpapers in a special sealed envelope and had to send it back in a sealed adressed (with special tape) envelope with my votingpaper in a closed blanco envelope inside. It looked very professional and well done! No, I am not a Fidesz man. Good for you! I am a Hungarian citizen, not by birthright but because actually I born in Hungary and because both of my parents are HUngarian. I did not receive the privilege to be able to vote by mail. In fact even after a I requested twice, I did not receive the right to vote! By the way if you wish to vote from Vancouver you would only be 4000 km away from your voting location, as from Canada we are NOT allowed to mail in our votes! How far would of been the closest voting location from you, may I ask? Why were you allowed to mail in your vote? Do you think this difference is professional and well done? Waiting for your answer. Let’s be clear about one thing, I was born a… Read more »
Géza
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out :
The trolls are definitely getting more active.
The first two comments right away, Geza and Boba Fett, but they will continue.

I don’t understand why sharing my experience (because I was surprised so many had problems) makes me a troll!
I am a follower of Eva’s blog for many years and I very rarely a make a comment! So, no I am not a troll, I have better things to do.

Géza
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oneill :
I would respectfully suggest to Professor Balogh that she puts comment moderation on, at least for a couple of days.

I think Professor Balogh isn’t afraid of any comment made and in my experience she will reply to anyone she thinks is out of line. What I respect a lot about Professor Balogh, her love for free speech!

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Géza :
I am a magyar citizens by birth right who lives in another western Europian country. I got my votingpapers in a special sealed envelope and had to send it back in a sealed adressed (with special tape) envelope with my votingpaper in a closed blanco envelope inside. It looked very professional and well done! No, I am not a Fidesz man.

Why did you not mention that your “wotingpapers” also included a form to be filled in with your personal data and put into the return envelope together with the envelope containing your ballot? How can you be sure that the information contained in the two papers will not be joined and registered?

Did you notice that some black dots were printed on your ballot that had no obvious function and did not appear in the sample ballot shown in this blog with a link to mno.hu?

http://hungarianspectrum.org/2014/03/25/attestations-of-electoral-fraud-in-hungary/

Géza
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Jean P : Géza : I am a magyar citizens by birth right who lives in another western Europian country. I got my votingpapers in a special sealed envelope and had to send it back in a sealed adressed (with special tape) envelope with my votingpaper in a closed blanco envelope inside. It looked very professional and well done! No, I am not a Fidesz man. Why did you not mention that your “wotingpapers” also included a form to be filled in with your personal data and put into the return envelope together with the envelope containing your ballot? How can you be sure that the information contained in the two papers will not be joined and registered? Did you notice that some black dots were printed on your ballot that had no obvious function and did not appear in the sample ballot shown in this blog with a link to mno.hu? http://hungarianspectrum.org/2014/03/25/attestations-of-electoral-fraud-in-hungary/ Jean P : Géza : I am a magyar citizens by birth right who lives in another western Europian country. I got my votingpapers in a special sealed envelope and had to send it back in a sealed adressed (with special tape) envelope with my votingpaper in… Read more »
nomol
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Géza is a troll. A normal person would get lost if not liked. A troll will talk and answer to anybody to create distraction, fill up the page and finally to drive people away.

Géza
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nomol :
Géza is a troll. A normal person would get lost if not liked. A troll will talk and answer to anybody to create distraction, fill up the page and finally to drive people away.

I am not here for people like yourself, but to read Professors Balogh’s articles, what I do for a long time. As I said before I rarely comment on this blog.

Not liked? By who? Those few people how are negative. The real trolls are people like you who try to desturb a normal conversation. Again, I am here for Professor Balogh’s articles not to be liked or not liked by you and your friends.

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Géza :t they will continue. I don’t understand why sharing my experience (because I was surprised so many had problems) makes me a troll! I am a follower of Eva’s blog for many years and I very rarely a make a comment! So, no I am not a troll, I have better things to do. I appreciate your responses. Why we would suspect that you are “sent by someone” to post a glowing remark about the voting process? THis is your very first post on the blog, and coincidentally it is a glowing remark about a process installed by Fidesz for the next election that the International observers and “us” have been questioning for a long time. You grabbed one little speckle in the whole process and it seems that you never read any of the factual issues. At any case I am happy to see that you feel that for you to be able to vote by mail when the closets voting location is 25km away, and those who’s closest voting location is 4,000 km away and not allowed to vote by mail is not right. Birthright is confusing term as many countries citizenship by birthright means different things.… Read more »
Géza
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Eva S. Balogh :
Géza: “There is nothing written on the sealed envelope with my ballot! When you vote you always have to identify yourself.”
As far as I know you don’t have to identify yourself when you vote by absentee ballot. How could you after you received your envelope? Anyone could fill it out. No?

I got 2 envelopes one blanco envelope for the ballot and one for sending it back. There was also a form I had to fill with my personal data, like my passportnumber and my official signature used on my passport. (there where 3 official options to identify yourself). This form had to be included in the returnenvelope together with the sealed ballot envelope. Ofcourse if someone knows how to copy your signature and knows your passport number for example, it is possible that that person can fill it out and send it back in your name.

Géza
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Géza :

Eva S. Balogh :
Géza: “There is nothing written on the sealed envelope with my ballot! When you vote you always have to identify yourself.”
As far as I know you don’t have to identify yourself when you vote by absentee ballot. How could you after you received your envelope? Anyone could fill it out. No?

I got 2 envelopes one blanco envelope for the ballot and one for sending it back. There was also a form I had to fill with my personal data, like my passportnumber and my official signature used on my passport. (there where 3 official options to identify yourself). This form had to be included in the returnenvelope together with the sealed ballot envelope. Ofcourse if someone knows how to copy your signature and knows your passport number for example, it is possible that that person can fill it out and send it back in your name.

I don’t know how to copy pictures here, because I made pictures of those forms.

Géza
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Some1 : Géza :t they will continue. I don’t understand why sharing my experience (because I was surprised so many had problems) makes me a troll! I am a follower of Eva’s blog for many years and I very rarely a make a comment! So, no I am not a troll, I have better things to do. I appreciate your responses. Why we would suspect that you are “sent by someone” to post a glowing remark about the voting process? THis is your very first post on the blog, and coincidentally it is a glowing remark about a process installed by Fidesz for the next election that the International observers and “us” have been questioning for a long time. You grabbed one little speckle in the whole process and it seems that you never read any of the factual issues. At any case I am happy to see that you feel that for you to be able to vote by mail when the closets voting location is 25km away, and those who’s closest voting location is 4,000 km away and not allowed to vote by mail is not right. Birthright is confusing term as many countries citizenship by birthright means… Read more »
Bowen
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@ Geza – I thought you had better things to do than post endlessly on here?

Géza
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Bowen :
@ Geza – I thought you had better things to do than post endlessly on here?

True! But being polite and reply to questions is also important.

Kormos
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@ Some1
Hi; Since (according to you) you have permanent address in Hungary, you should have registered your wish for voting abroad with the secretary of your district authority. There was a time limit for that. You would have to vote in the nearest head consulate of Hungary. Hungarian citizens with no fixed Hungarian address were allowed to vote by mail. This process was organised quite neatly and securely. You would have been the first to cry wolf, if it was not done that way.

Johnny Boy
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Békemenet never said they would be independent!
It is the most common far-left lie to pretend as if someone were independent, just to be able to present themselves as ‘experts’ instead of propagandists, which they actually are.
Same as you.
Békemenet was always open to say the support the current government. What they say is they are civilian supporters, that is, not politicians, which is true.

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Kormos : @ Some1 Hi; Since (according to you) you have permanent address in Hungary, you should have registered your wish for voting abroad with the secretary of your district authority. There was a time limit for that. You would have to vote in the nearest head consulate of Hungary. Hungarian citizens with no fixed Hungarian address were allowed to vote by mail. This process was organised quite neatly and securely. You would have been the first to cry wolf, if it was not done that way. THat just shows how little you know about the election process set forth by Fidesz and I thought that in fact you are supporting them. You see, this is the exact point, people who vote for Fidesz have no clue whatsoever about all the hurdles and changes they make. To help you make better judgements here is a copy and paste directly from the official Hungarian Election page (sorry it is Hungarian): “I. A magyarországi lakcímmel rendelkező választópolgárok automatikusan felkerülnek a választói névjegyzékbe. Amennyiben Ön magyarországi lakcímmel rendelkező választópolgárként szavazatát külföldön szeretné leadni, legkésőbb a szavazást megelőző nyolcadik napig, 2014. március 29-én 16 óráig át kell jelentkeznie a külképviseleti névjegyzékbe, melynek módozatai a… Read more »
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Johnny Boy :
Békemenet never said they would be independent!
It is the most common far-left lie to pretend as if someone were independent, just to be able to present themselves as ‘experts’ instead of propagandists, which they actually are.
Same as you.
Békemenet was always open to say the support the current government. What they say is they are civilian supporters, that is, not politicians, which is true.

Johnny, Johnny. What we are saying that it was FIDESZ that always maintained that the Bekemenet is independent from them , from party politics. If in fact it would not be independent, they wouldn’t be allowed by law set forth by Fidesz to advertise so blatantly around the country. Just like Kormos, you have no clue about the Fidesz laws, but yp ail be there to back them up. Congrats!

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By the way when Johnny says that “Békemenet never said they would be independent!” he is gravely mistaking (like most Fidesz supporters). “a CÖF független a pártoktól és kellően kritikus is velük szemben. Értékeket képviselnek, és megpróbálják a civil véleményt megjeleníteni a közgondolkodásban”. said Tamas Fritz at a press conference in February. Fritcz is one of the organizers of COF and the Bekemenet. Fricz in the 1980s regularly published articles in the Young Communists magazine. His themes included: THe YOung Communist (KISZ) as the place for the political socialization, The relationship of KISZ and MSZP, etc.

Caprice Goldberg
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Hi, Eva, I mostly lurk around here although I have made a comment or two over the past 5 years… I would again like to thank you again for all your hard work on this blog and commend you on its exceptional quality. I also would like to ask your opinion about something. I have reread the leaflet being floated by the Hungarian government several times and each time it became more and more obvious that it was written by an American academic in my opinion. Not only because of its perfect use of academic English but because of the clarity it strives for, the straightforward way in which it goes about making points (myth vs fact), its use of footnotes, and the flow/feel of the text overall. I am 100% certain this was not written in Hungarian then translated into English and firmly believe that this propaganda masquerading as official communiqué was written by a well-paid American (or Canadian) academic or (less likely) journalist. Do you have any feelings about this? Also, if it was written by an academic, who do you think wrote it? I don’t mean their name, rather I ask: to whom would Fidesz turn and… Read more »
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