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Should add option: How would/will you vote?

B
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Szia Éva,

a Fideszre adható tippeknél kimaradt a 40-49-es választási lehetőség.

Üdv: Bálint

2014-03-29 13:27 GMT+01:00 Hungarian Spectrum :

> Eva S. Balogh posted: “I created a number of polls and urge everybody > to cast their votes. “

Guest

Eva, there’s a slight mistake in the Fidesz poll:
The range 40 -50 % is missing imho – that’s what I wanted for forecast …

A poll re the voter participation might also be interesting:

How many of the voters will actually vote at the booth or electronically – don’t know if that would be too complicated/too much work for you.

Istvan
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While this is off topic for the poll it could become important in the next week. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavro yesterday in an interview with Rossiya 24 TV channel made the following interesting comments relating to Hungarians living in the Ukraine: Lavro: Another thing we proposed was to begin a comprehensive constitutional reform right away, with all political forces and regions having an equal say in it, to discuss establishing a federation, which would grant every region wide powers in the spheres of economy, culture, language, education, economic and cultural ties with neighboring countries or regions and guarantee minority rights. Taking into consideration the number of ethnic Russians living in Ukraine, we propose and we’re convinced that there’s no other option – and a few presidential candidates said so on numerous occasions – but to make Russian language the second official language of Ukraine, and ensure the rights of minorities in every constituent entity in accordance with the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Q: There are Hungarians and Romanians living there as well. Lavro- Hungarians, Czechs, Germans – they are all complaining to the governments of their countries that they are no longer comfortable living in Ukraine.… Read more »
petofi
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@Istvan

“A constitutional reform should be approved by a referendum.”

Right!
Just the way it was done in heroic Hungary…

Penny Oswalt
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I would but I am in the USA…….I predict there will be a big upset…..get out there and VOTE!
God Bless Hungary!!

Paul
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We have a Jobbik supporter in our midst!

Nice idea, Éva, I enjoyed that. We don’t all agree on the Fidesz and the United Alliance votes (as at 21:40 GMT Saturday), but it looks like most of us think Jobbik are going to do well (possibly as well as, or better than the UA, and LMP aren’t going to make it past the 5% threshold.

Paul
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“Lavro- Hungarians, Czechs, Germans – they are all complaining to the governments of their countries that they are no longer comfortable living in Ukraine. Czechs even wanted to go back home”

Interesting insight into how the Russians see the (non-Russian) minorities in Ukraine. Not only can they “go home”, but they are seen as peoples who clearly don’t belong in Ukraine. No recognition at all that they, and their ancestors, have always lived there and are as ‘native’ as the Ukrainians. Indeed, in many cases the minorities have been there longer than many of the Ukrainians. “Home” for then IS Ukraine. It is the borders and governments who have changed and moved, not them.

Applying the same logic to the Russian population of Ukraine, perhaps the solution to the whole problem is for them to “go home” – to Russia.

donlaszlo
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It would be nice to see applying Lavrov´s scheme to Russia´s multiethnic society (e. g. Tatarstan could have latin alphabet and so on…)

tappanch
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The blue slips of 1947 are on the march:

The number of voters who intend to cast their vote for their district of “registered address” from another district has been growing rapidly.

How many of them changed their official address today just for the election?
Are the “document offices” to register the address changes are open for this weekend too?
They will be open on election day, a Sunday! from 6 AM to 7 PM.

03-25: 40,994
03-27: 49,164
03-28: 54,086
03-29: 62,095 (Saturday, not a working day)

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tappanch :
The blue slips of 1947 are on the march:
The number of voters who intend to cast their vote for their district of “registered address” from another district has been growing rapidly.
How many of them changed their official address today just for the election?
Are the “document offices” to register the address changes are open for this weekend too?
They will be open on election day, a Sunday! from 6 AM to 7 PM.
03-25: 40,994
03-27: 49,164
03-28: 54,086
03-29: 62,095 (Saturday, not a working day)

I can just imagine how frantic are the Fidesz telemarketers trying to figure out what districts need more Fidesz residents. This is just such a scam. What a fraud this election already is (and it is not over yet).
Fidesz is overspent the allowable election spending. No one has any idea how much money was donated to Fidesz as monetary or as in lieu services. I do not think that since the 50s such political scandal and fraud was ever committed by any party.

tappanch
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This is one of the best jokes:

“If you were born with the title “Dr”, please mark it here.”

Perhaps the next Fidesz decree will allow the apparatchiks to bequeath their academic titles to their children.

https://kerelem.valasztas.hu/vareg/AtjelentkezesselTortenoSzavazasKerelem.xhtml

Sackhoes Contributor
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Wolfi: “How many of the voters will actually vote at the booth or electronically” You cannot vote electronically (I think only Estonia allows that), but some people cane vote by mail.

Penny Oswalt: “I would but I am in the USA” You could have voted from the USA. I did, by mail. Since Aug 1, 2013 registration was open to every Hungarian citizen anywhere in the world. Registration was closed 15 days before the election. Sorry you missed it.

tappanch
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In order to modify someone’s voting location, you just need his/her DOB & mother maiden name [these are readily available in Hungary on every document].

You can move (K) /move again (M) /move back (T) of your [or anyone else’s] voting location as many times as you wish “before the second day before the election”.
Can I move my location again on the 4th, or 3rd is the last day?

You can just leave an e-mail address for notification.

This is an outrage. Someone can hijack my vote EASILY by moving the location of my vote to Csengersima. I do not even know about it, since the hijacker was notified only at his e-mail address. I show up to vote on the 6th, and I cannot vote.

kommentelo
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Cmon tappanch, you are an intelligent person you know very well it is not that easy. If you have a Hungarian address then you are already automaticly registered at the same voting location you always were voting at. You got notification papers that you are put on the voting list at voting district X which is at location Y. This list that they mention is paper based it is not electronic. You can not just tamper with this paper based list in an electronic way no matter how much you hack into various databases, again it is not electronic it is a piece of paper. You have to sign it even when you vote you know this very well. So in order for anyone to delete you from an already existing paper list they have to manually cross you out a person has to do it, cannot be done electronicly or by some hacker. Not only a person has to do this, a paper notification has to be sent to your real address by mail. Not the electronic something something but IF they do delete you from the already created paper based voting list you get this notification by mail,… Read more »
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@Sackoes:

Wouldn’t Penny have to go to a consulate/embassy to vote or did I misunderstand?
http://www.politics.hu/20140329/more-than-26600-hungarians-register-to-vote-at-embassies-consulates/

I thought this “fast track” voting by mail is only for the “New(and improved …) Hungarians” who just found out that their grandparents where born somewhere in the former empire …

Excuse my sarcasm, but this reminds me of the wave of Gereman immigrants from Russia(or rather the former Soviet Union in general) some years ago. Of course they had another motive: Just to get away from the dysmal conditions in the former Soviet Union and start a new life, whether they had German ancestors, could speak some German – or not …

There was areally bad joke around then:

Someone comes to the German consulate and says: I am German and I have strong connections to Germany! And the consul asks: Can you prove it?

Yes, my grandfather used to walk the neighbour’s dog – a German shepherd …

tappanch
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@kommentelo

If you know my date of birth and my mother’s maiden name, you can fill out the form at the internet link I gave above, redirect my voting location to village X without my knowledge, and I cannot vote in my home district on the 6th.

Say, you do it on the 3rd of April, and the Election Office will also notify me in “snail” mail.
That mail will arrive long after the election.

Of course, it would be an extra mile for you to actually go to village X and cast my vote there – but I still could not vote against O.

tappanch
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“Well so what, are you willing to risk a few years in prison because it seemed easy at first?”

If I do my illegal activity as part of “Leadership initiated/approved Fidesz business/politics”, the prosecutors will start a little investigation, then after weeks of silence, they fail to indict me.

This is core material in the Fidesz 101 course.

Can you give me a counterexample from the 2010-2014 period?

stop the hate
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“I thought this “fast track” voting by mail is only for the “New(and improved …) Hungarians” who just found out that their grandparents where born somewhere in the former empire …” Wolfi this single sentence is just such a perfect example of hatred against Hungarians created by brainwashing and propaganda that it has to be pointed out. First of all Hungary was never an “empire” in the one thousand years that you refer to. First it was a principality and then a kingdom. You may have a fondness for the third Reich by your obsession with empires. Second the brainwashing and the hate propaganda: you are perfect example of it, you don’t know the facts, you don’t know anything you just know that you must spew your hatred towards Hungarians. Voting by mail has nothing to do with being a “new citizen”, the fact that you thought so makes your brainwashing complete. In fact in the Hungarian legal system there is not such a category as “new citizen”, there is only one type : citizen. The voting by mail is for people who do not live in Hungary, therefore they do not have a Hungarian address where they live. For… Read more »
tappanch
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The united opposition will not have vote counters, monitors in 1/3 of the precincts.
(latest data, as of March 28)

By the Fidesz election law, a party can have 0 or at least 2 vote counters in a precinct, one counter is not permitted.

# of vote counters; % of the precincts covered

Fidesz: 16998; 81.8%
United Opposition: 13042; 62.8%
Jobbik: 7042; 33.9%
Gypsy Party: 1185; 5.7%

Guest

@Stop …
So Hungary wasn’t part of the Austrian empire?
Re your long rant about voting outside of Hungary
Why do some people have to go to an embassy and others are allowed to vote by mail or whatever?
You seem to have so much time available to write, so please explain!

PS: My wife is a very lovely Hungarian woman …

Guest

Oh, btw we live in two places at the same time!

I have a German address and a Hungarian address – but of course I have to decide where to vote. I could vote for the European parliament in Hungary, but then the Hungarian authority would send a letter to the Germans so I wouldn’t be allowed to vote there.

But those “new Hungarians” (I call them that because they’ve just got their citizenship):

Are they allowed to vote in their original home country too? Do you think that’s ok?

tappanch
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Correction:

if we count the 97 precincts abroad at consulates and embassies,

Fidesz counters cover 81.1%
Opposition counters cover 62.2% of the precincts.

tappanch
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Here is the list of the 22 OSCE/ODIHR international observers to monitor the 10,386 precincts in Hungary:

http://www.nvi.hu/hu/ogyv2014/835/835_0.html

tappanch
Guest

Remark:

The local vote counting committees also have appointed members, so we should not worry that the interests of the Fidesz party are not represented in 18.9% of the precincts.

We should worry however that the interests of the opposition voters are not represented in 37.2% of the precincts.

tappanch
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For the first time, voters can be transported to the precincts in cars or minivans containing less then 8 passenger seats.

Member
stop the hate : “I thought this “fast track” voting by mail is only for the “New(and improved …) Hungarians” who just found out that their grandparents where born somewhere in the former empire …” Wolfi this single sentence is just such a perfect example of hatred against Hungarians created by brainwashing and propaganda that it has to be pointed out. First of all Hungary was never an “empire” in the one thousand years that you refer to. First it was a principality and then a kingdom. You may have a fondness for the third Reich by your obsession with empires. Second the brainwashing and the hate propaganda: you are perfect example of it, you don’t know the facts, you don’t know anything you just know that you must spew your hatred towards Hungarians. Voting by mail has nothing to do with being a “new citizen”, the fact that you thought so makes your brainwashing complete. In fact in the Hungarian legal system there is not such a category as “new citizen”, there is only one type : citizen. The voting by mail is for people who do not live in Hungary, therefore they do not have a Hungarian address… Read more »
An
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Evaluation of the election programs of the parties. Fidesz still doesn’t have one.

http://mitigernek.hu/index.php (in Hungarian)

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