Viktor Orbán: The Hungarian people are by nature politically incorrect

In the last few days I have been mulling over a lot of topics that I wanted to make available on Hungarian Spectrum, among them key elements of Viktor Orbán’s speech on the “state of the nation” that I did not cover earlier. Specifically, his opinions on multiculturalism, immigration, and political correctness. A young political commentator, Zoltán Ceglédi of the Republikon Institute, believes that Orbán’s claim that “Hungarian people are politically incorrect by nature” is about the most egregious sentence he has ever uttered. In Ceglédi’s opinion, it is worse than his reference to “illiberal democracy.”

Judging from foreign press coverage, “political incorrectness” didn’t set off the shock waves that “illiberal democracy” did last summer and has ever since. Yes, English-language sites quoted it, but it was only the Associated Press that considered it important enough to include in its coverage of the speech. It was also AP that emphasized Orbán’s denunciation of multiculturalism and immigrants. Thus, Orbán’s words on these subjects reached only those foreign newspapers that subscribe to AP’s news service.

Let me quote the appropriate passage. I’m using the Budapest Beacon‘s translation.

We shouldered unworthy attacks and accusations and abandoned the dogma of political correctness. As I see it, the Hungarian people are by nature politically incorrect, or have not yet lost their commonsense. Nobody is interested in talk but rather deeds, results rather than theories, they want work and cheap utility costs (rezsi). They do not swallow the jimson weed that unemployment is a natural part of modern economies. They want to free themselves from the modern age’s servitude of debt created by the foreign exchange loans. They do not want to see masses of people of a different culture in their country who are incapable of adapting, who represent a threat to public order and their jobs and their survival.

“Political correctness” is, according to one definition, “an attitude or policy of being careful not to offend or upset any group of people in society who are believed to have a disadvantage.” Or, “politically correctness is concerned with promoting tolerance and avoiding offense in matters of race, class, gender, and sexual orientation.” If we can substitute “proper” in this context for “correct,” as I believe we can, then “incorrect”means “improper” or, more loosely, “inappropriate.” Is this what Viktor Orbán had in mind? Indeed, one ought to be careful with words.

Orbán assumes the worst of immigrants. They “will never be willing to accept, they originally came with the intention of destroying, European culture.” In his eyes, Europeans have already lost their “collective European home.” He also added that if the Hungarian government had not acted against the immigrants, Hungary would have been “turned into a refugee camp.”

On the question of “illiberal democracy” he retreated somewhat when he told his audience that liberal principles after 1990 “brought many good things to Hungary for which we ourselves struggled.” But the world has changed and liberalism is no longer relevant. However, he added, “there are things which are worth retaining from a previous period, such as democracy, the one without an adjective.” Actually, I find this off-the-cuff remark about democracy being “worth retaining” a telling clue to Viktor Orbán’s attitude toward democratic values.

I discovered only one internet site that applauded Orbán’s endorsement of political incorrectness and his denunciation of multiculturalism, immigrants, and liberalism. It is a neo-Nazi site called The Daily Stormer, according to which “Orban is by no means a great hero, but by Western political standards, he is definitely a pretty cool guy.” After quoting the appropriate passages from the Associated Press’s summary of the speech, the author adds: “All he is really saying is something incredibly basic, which is: ‘come on, this is stupid.’ The idea that more leaders are not coming out and stating the obvious fact that it makes exactly zero sense to allow unlimited number of entirely useless and dangerous subhumans to invade our countries demonstrated just how deeply sick the West is.” Approval from neo-Nazis! Does Viktor Orbán realize the kinds of circles in which his ideas are being embraced?

The author of of The Daily Stormer liked Viktor Orbán's attack on immigation, multiculturalism, and liberalism

The author of of The Daily Stormer liked Viktor Orbán’s attack on immigration, multiculturalism, and liberalism

I don’t know what his audience and his constituency thought of his references to multiculturalism, immigration, liberalism, and political incorrectness, but by now we have a fairly good idea of what Fidesz voters thought of the speech in general. They are deeply disappointed because they were waiting for an announcement of a radical change in political strategy after the serious setback Viktor Orbán and Fidesz suffered in Veszprém. Instead, he simply announced that the Fidesz candidate lost badly. It looks as if he is convinced that the only reason for the debacle was a lack of hard work on the part of the Fidesz team on the spot. They didn’t mobilize Fidesz voters. But a large number of his followers think that the fault lies with Viktor Orbán and his government: its pro-Russian and anti-European Union policies, corruption, lack of communication with the general public, ostentatious behavior of members of the government and the people around Orbán, the growing poverty, ineptitude on every level of government, one could list the problems endlessly. But Orbán said not a word about any of these issues. He is not a man who is quick to face reality after a setback.

Magyar Nemzet, which in the past two weeks has become much more critical of the government, also found the speech wanting. An editorial titled “Reveille” expressed its doubt that Orbán’s “Good morning, Hungary!” will be enough to recapture the trust of his followers. Tamás Fricz, a so-called political scientist and one of the fiercest defenders of Viktor Orbán, tried to hang on to a single sentence in Orbán’s 45-minute speech: “Probably there is a need for more discussion and consultation.” Yes, said Fricz, this is the essence of the whole speech. And yes, what Hungary needs is people who believe in equality, “who don’t worship even Viktor Orbán, who don’t believe in the superiority of politicians.” Society must talk about what went wrong in “the national, conservative camp.” After three great wins, it is safe “to conduct these natural and necessary debates, to express differences of opinions, and talk straight with one another as befits us.” Unfortunately, Viktor Orbán does everything in his power to steer clear of debate and to tamp down differences of opinion. And he seems positively allergic to straight talk. The national, conservative camp will have to talk among themselves, without their leader.

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Excellent article, as usual. I had a lots of questions in my mind after the speech, because the statements either did not make sense or did not reflect reality. What did the viktor mean, when he stated that Hungary will spend a lot more on weapons BECAUSE his now neighbors are doing so. I seriously doubted, that any Hungarian is worried about an attack from Austria, Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Romania, Slovakia and even Ukraine. The Ukrainians are fighting full time for their lives against the Russians, they will not start a war with anyone else. Another interesting statement was, that he was referring to the Fidesz believers (hívők) and not citizens or voters. Admission is, that people support the Fidesz as a form of religion, belief system and not because their ideology and values are similar to what the Fidesz party represents. The viktor got into a serious argument with Angela Merkel about liberalism, stating that anyone who supports the idea that democracy cannot be maintained without liberalism is discriminating, since democracy can be practiced without liberalism. Yet the viktor laid out a number of dogmas and tore into the private lives of every citizen, by forcing them to do… Read more »
Sam
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Perhaps the defense spending reference was his way of buckling in to NATO without admitting it. By spending only a pittance on defense, Hungary was not fulfilling its obligations to the alliance. Under no circumstances could he admit that he was caving in to the USA or to Europe, so he instead made it seem like he was setting Hungary apart by actually doing exactly as he is required by treaty to do.

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SAM: Thank you for your answer. I am aware of the military spending of Hungary in the last 24 years. Even under the Gyurcsány government it was never the minimum 2% an kept dropping, but under the viktor it dropped to .83% in 2014. Now they want to buy helicopters and just waiting for the basks from either the Italians or the French to select the one who gives them the most. The money for the helicopters is not in the budget yet, but they will steal the 200 Billion they need from the social programs now. Of course, spare weapons systems and ammunition for sharp shooting practices, annual training for the pilots and weapons officers and spare parts for repairs and simulators will not be ordered. I am sure someone in Hungary is an expert on helicopters, but the Fidesz will not listen to any of the experts. Helicopters need a huge amount of upkeep and expensive maintenance, they can not be idled too long (the hydraulics are sensitive). Average cost to fly the military helicopters in the US Air Force is between $2.200-$3,850/Hr depending on size. (Apache Longbow $3,851.18/hr, average cost last year) This does not include weapons… Read more »
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HUNGARIAN FREE PRESS
http://hungarianfreepress.com/2015/03/01/montreals-concordia-university-hosts-roundtable-on-demise-of-rule-of-law-in-hungary/

Montreal’s Concordia University hosts roundtable on demise of rule of law in Hungary
March 1, 2015 2:14 pm·
Kim Lane Scheppele from Princeton University, former government minister and Central European University professor András Bozóki, and Professor Emeritus András Göllner will lead a roundtable discussion at Concordia University on Tuesday, March 3rd, 2015 at 5:30 PM, on challenges to the rule of law in Hungary under the current Orbán government. The talk will be held at 1455 de Maisonneuve Boulevard West, in room 767. It looks set to be a very important opportunity to hear about the challenges that the European Union faces when the rule of law and liberal democracy is dismantled in one of its members states. All are welcome to attend the event. For more information on the talk, click on the link below:

Hungary roundtable
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Paul
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“They want to free themselves from the modern age’s servitude of debt created by the foreign exchange loans.”

The word ‘irony’ is clearly missing from OV’s dictionary…

spectator
Guest

Not only the word, but the whole concept and the comprehension thereof.

Pretty soon there is enough word to fill a modest volume, words that no longer has any meaning in Hungary any longer. Most of the populace eager to adapt to the Orbanian vocabulary anyway, even those who should know better keep repeating all that utter nonsense around the clock…
And it’s working!

Sam
Guest

I like to simply refer to “political correctness” as “good manners” – after all, using politically correct speech is nothing more complicated than carefully selecting polite phrases. It’s not pandering to anybody. It’s not giving up any rights. It simply shows that you care about others, and that you respect yourself enough to think about the words that escape your mouth. There are many politicians with whom I disagree on important issues such as immigration and multiculturalism who nonetheless show that they are truly interested in dialogue through their own discourse. What people who reject “political correctness” are really saying is that they’re afraid to engage others in debate. They find safety in thoughtlessness and wear their ignorance as a badge of pride. By using insults, slurs, and insensitivity, you are intentionally distancing yourself from those who might dare disagree with you, not because your arguments are superior, but because you know you are incapable of winning a real argument.

Member

Every time when this jerk gives a public speech and say that Hungarian people are this and that by nature I always feel like I’m branded like cattle.

Paul
Guest

The phrase ‘political correctness’ was originally coined by the right to discredit what they saw as the over ‘correctness’ of the left. It was intended as a term almost of abuse – it was certainly never used by the left, no one has ever (to my knowledge) claimed to be politically correct.

Like so many terms created to attack or denigrate, it has lost its power over the years and has almost become the opposite of how it started out (like, for instance, the names Quaker and Suffragette, both terms originally coined as insults). Although I’ve never heard anyone actually claim they were being politically correct, so it hasn’t quite lost its original stigma, you do sometimes hear someone described as being “too PC”, or apologising for not being “politically correct”.

István
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Gybognarjr: Orban said in his speech : “The size and arms of our military is not suitable to serve as the basis for a sovereign Hungarian foreign policy, although we should acknowledge that a new rearmament is taking place here in Central Europe.” Unfortunately this is true, if the pro- Russian Ukraianian seperatists wanted to invade Hungary and Putin would allow it they would have a reasonable chance to take control of a good part of the country before the reserves could even be mobilized. I think Orban believes Hungary is totally militarily dependent on NATO and if Fidesz want to create space between NATO and Hungary such dependency from his perspective this is not a good idea. I believe this is the crux of this thought. I would add that based on my own interactions with my family members in Hungary this speech is far too ungrounded for general comprehension. Parts can be grasped by the Fidesz masses, but a lot seems too theoritical in its presentation. Orban seems to me like a very smart student who wants to show off his intellilectual powers for all to see, but for only the few too comprehend. I am sure Eva… Read more »
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ISTVÁN: Thanks for your reply. I disagree. It would not even occur to me, that the Russian separatists in Ukraine could have any goals regarding Hungary, besides, their operations are hundreds of miles away in the predominantly Russian areas of Ukraine. As far as the victor’s intelligence, I totally disagree. He does not even understand the meanings of important political concepts and words and too lazy to look them up. The man is a half-educated mafioso, with a street fighter mentality, but who has an extremely good grasp of the cultural level of the Hungarian society, the weaknesses of a very large number of people, their distorted view of the Western World, their own history and an almost total lack of knowledge of political science and philosophy. I am talking about the average person on the streets, the voting public, who are believers and not thinkers, who watched MTV1 and 2 most of their lives. The situation is similar in almost every country, it is only the ratio that chances from country to country, but Hungary is getting dismal and marching backwards in time, thanks to viktor and the Fidesz. By the way, Hungary could buy the best weapons, but… Read more »
Webber
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I couldn’t agree with you more on all those points. Many years ago I had the misfortune to visit some Romanian and Hungarian military bases (misfortune, because it was unrelated to my work and I found it boring). After those visits my non-professional view was that the Romanian army could probably walk over Hungary in a couple of days. I mentioned that impression at a conference after a Hungarian fellow gave a presentation on why Hungary and Romania had not gone to war after 1989 (I thought the answer was obvious). He and some other Hungarians became furious with me. I told them what I said was based on cold observations of the relative sizes of the armies, how well-trained and alert the men seemed (admittedly the Romanians looked hungry, literally), the morale and state of officers (many Hungarians had pot bellies, all Romanian officers seemed fit), and the state of materiel they wanted me to see (there was rust hanging from one of the tanks they showed me on a Hun. base). Since then I’ve occasionally met Hungarian officers – in social events – who seemed personally competent, but some of them have quietly talked, with disgust, about alcoholism… Read more »
LwiiH
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No person in their right mind would even consider the possibility of Hungary being militarily independent. The Ukraine, a much bigger country, has no chance against Russia. Even thinking that western countries such as Canada could be militarily independent is a stretch. They simply do not have the resources to match the US. At any rate, the dire situation in the Ukraine would have to get a lot worse before Hungary would be threatened.

Conclusion, OV has been pressured to spend more on deference and he some how has to package that message to keep the imagine that he’s strong and not willing to bend to any outside pressure. There isn’t anything else going on here.

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LWIIH: Thanks for the answer. You brought up a possible logical answer of the motivation behind the irrational and false statement of the viktor. False, because the neighboring countries are NOT accelerating alarmingly their military spending and irrational, because they are not planning to attack Hungary. As you say there may be outside pressure from NATO, yet in the past it was mitigated by sending 120-200 Hungarian troops to NATO missions in Afghanistan or elsewhere. The planned purchase of a few helicopters, which is a huge purchase for them and almost nothing by US standard, is (approx. 200 Billion, including the corruption moneys) will be a large increase in the annual military budget and mitigating the unfulfilled NATO requirements I give you my favorite answer to my own question below, as to why the viktor is talking about fairly often in his speeches about modernizing, building up the military and spending more money on it. About three years ago I started to see the parallels of the Hungarian regime with fascist regimes in the past. A Brit professor made a very accurate and fact based summary of the common characteristic of the fascist regimes in the past. Voila, as we… Read more »
gaff
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I wonder who the next group will be besides “immigrants”. The “immigrants” are of course not immigrating to Hungary so the terms is a misnomer implying that Hungary is “in mortal danger”. Will it be the gays as in Russia? I think Orban is past the point when he can demonize the NGOs (Russia) and opposition people successfully, he needs others. Although of course the torment of the NGOs will continue he just won’t gain much from it, unless perhaps he can come up with a good spy story (Russia). Or will those refugees be the perfect enemy? The ones we can “defeat”? Put them into prison camps and show how “powerful” we are?

Webber
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Americans living in Hungary and American businesses would be obvious targets. An attack on them would simultaneously satisfy the Hungarian radical right, the European radical (formerly Marxist) left, and Putin.
On the downside, an attack of that sort would push a certain amount of capital out of the country.

Endre
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I’m sure even Connie Mack and Századvég would argue against it.

Even if the visa-ban scandal was entirely self-inflicted, the US could in theory (that is if it dared to, and would not be continuously contemplating grand bargains with corrupt dictators) retaliate very easily among others by reinstating the traditional visa requirements (I’m sure it could easily sail through Congress), just one idea. It would cause quite a stir domestically.

Finkelstein, Habony, GFG et all are all thinking hard whom to target, but it will be harder this time because fideszniks already tried so many enemies.

There is the iron rule of diminishing returns so Orban will have to up the ante significantly to extract the same political advantage.

I doubt he could create a Russian-style hysteria with government-sponsored vigilantes, but then again I don’t want to underestimate his willingness to do absolutely anything to stay in power.

petofi
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Why would Orban need an army? No EU country would attack him; and by now it should be clear that he is Putin’s subaltern.
If Orban doesn’t carry out his required responsibilities as a member of NATO, it just endears him
all the more to Putin.

Webber
Guest

On an earlier topic – here’s an article from 2013 in English on the (relative) popularity of Jobbik among Hungarian university students:
http://budapesttimes.hu/2013/07/18/students-give-jobbik-high-marks/

tappanch
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The new chairman of the “Constitutional Court” (in a country, where the constitution was abolished 3 years ago):

“The task of the Constitutional Court is […] not to put an obstacle to urgent governmental work”

This statement is a further proof that Hungary is, de facto, a one-party state with no checks and balances.

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/03/03/lenkovics_az_alkotmanybirosag_feladata_hogy_ne_akadalyozza_a_kormanyzati_munkat/

petofi
Guest

A Hungarian Constitutional ‘Justice’ wouldn’t know ‘judicial thinking’ if it hit him in the face.

frici
Guest

The Hungarian Constitutional Court is nothing more than the Budapest District I (where the court’s building is located) party branch of Fidesz.

And not just the judges, but the dozens of hyper-loyal fidesznik clerks are in daily contact with their friends at the Prime Minister’s Office. The ‘court’ is a joke.

tappanch
Guest

At 10 AM today, the Fidesz Parliament made it a secret for 30 (!!) years how the government will spend the Paks-2 money (10 billion euros of Russian loan + another 10 billion (my rough estimate) if they actually want to finish the project).

http://www.parlament.hu/irom40/02250/02250-0019.pdf

All of the Fidesz+KDNP MPs voted for the bill with one abstention (Janos Bencsik).

All of the opposition parties voted against it (Gogos of MSzP was present , but did not vote)

Miki
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I really wonder why they don’t simply make everything that is said and done in the parliament secret till the end of time. All this communication leads to questions and that is just slowing the governmental work down.

What reason could Gogos possibly have not to vote? With opposition members like that it’s not really needed to have a 2/3 majority. I may be a good idea to officially transfer him from MSzP to Fidesz to avoid confusion.

tappanch
Guest

2 Jobbik MPs and 1 additional MSzP representative were also absent.

I want to be just and precise about Gőgös. If I look at the official tally by the parties, he shows up as “absent”. If I look up the vote by the name, the parlament.hu website says “present, but did not vote”. So I do not know what he actually did.

Source:
http://www.parlament.hu/szavazasok-egy-adott-iromanyrol?p_auth=kG77UqMF&p_p_id=pairproxy_WAR_pairproxyportlet_INSTANCE_9xd2Wc9jP4z8&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_count=1&_pairproxy_WAR_pairproxyportlet_INSTANCE_9xd2Wc9jP4z8_pairAction=%2Finternet%2Fcplsql%2Fogy_szav.szav_lap_egy%3Fp_szavdatum%3D2015.03.03.10%3A06%3A44%26p_szavkepv%3DI%26p_szavkpvcsop%3DI%26p_ckl%3D40%26p_osszefuz%3D

Ambator
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In such controversial voting cases (e.g. Obamacare) it’s important to have at least two, but rather three extra votes so that all of these traitors could deny that his/her vote would have been the decisive one which caused the passing of the law.

Fidesz can always purchase 2-3-4-5 or more votes, even more.

Jobbik is owned by Fidesz (and I think policy-wise Jobbik could be very happy with Fidesz so it is nothing special for Jobbikniks to vote with Fidesz) and many MSZP members of Parliament are also on the payroll of Fidesz too, the lefties are famished for those small crumbles which they will receive from Fidesz, they are also cheap as hell.

Fidesz is much stronger in Parliament than it looks from the numbers.

Miki
Guest

Thanks for your reply Tappanch. So maybe this time Gőgös was just absent.

But like Ambator says, it’s so easy to buy one of the pathetic losers of MSzP.

To me it’s a miracle that no successful new party has been founded yet. With the losers of MSzP, the criminals of Fidesz and the nazis of Jobbik as competitors it should be so easy to win the elections.

Brumi
Guest

There will always be one or two MSZPnik or Jobbiknik who will abstain, be sick that day, ‘mix up’ the voting buttons or otherwise help Fidesz with the 2/3s.

Fidesz owns several opposition MPs and in fact parties too. What’s taking place under the banner of “opposition politics” in the Parliament is a farcical play for the masses.

Hungary is a managed democracy just like Putin’s Russia is.

TeamBritanniaHu
Guest

With friends among neo-fascists, who needs enemies? Hungary is rapidly becoming about as relevant as Ruritania in Europe. If this situation wasn’t so serious, it would be laughable. Sneering about ‘political correctness’ and ‘multiculturalism’ is going out of fashion fast in western Europe given the conflict with ‘Islamist’ terrorism facing western European states and the Mediterranean refugee crisis which Mr Orbán, the great Christian, wants no part of. Sure, people who already speak some English or French would rather head west than try to settle in an increasingly monoglot and monochrome country (at least outside Budapest), just as multilingual magyars are already doing. They have already voted with their feet, Viktor, and very few people are listening to you apart from your friends in the Kremlin. Certainly not those who are proud of their long heritage of liberal democracy. You can go your own way! It’s just a shame you have to drag Hungary with you.

andysomos
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Regarding Political Correctenss and Viktor Orban: Orban has a natural predilection for provocative, devilish thinking and action. Once he chooses an enemy he goes for it like a bulldog (enemies are honest capitalist thinking taking fairness into acount; the EU system; and social, minority oriented issues.) He has bouts-of-attacks with selected sectors and elements of society (chooses an issue and fights it for a while) and then once satisfied, he lets up on the wrestling hold. He enjoys fighting with weaker enemies and when he chooses a fight, he usually backs down if the bite proves to be too big to chew (eg. RTL Klub) or against expensive EU potential sanctions. Only “winners” are allowed in his inner circle, i.e. those that have the withall to fight and win verbal duels. His signature verbal feists and those he approves and lauds consist of an atrocious lack of logic and involve masses of lies and twisted concepts which make no sense in Western modes of thinking and reasoning. The above underscores why political correctness (a Western concept) is so far away from his world. O.V.’s concept of correctness is based on an ancient Feudal mentality. Obviously Political Correctness in the Western… Read more »
andysomos
Guest

And to continue from above, on why Orban says P.C. is not something “Hungarians” value:

Using O.V.’s spurious logic, as he equates himself to the will and attitudes of the Hungarian great majority in the name of whom he has been elected to speak, it is not a far cry to say that his inabilty and lack of willingness act with political correctness is automatically reflected by the sheep who follow him as obedient servants…

“Alá szolgája” or Your Humble Servant as the masses are assumed to act in the role permitted them…

Guest

A lot of interesting observations as usual – and a few new names too, thanks!
We’re in Germany now, far away, …
A few remarks:

Re “politically correct”:
I’m still wondering why there isn’t more fuss about that list of forbidden words – not to use “szegény” aka poor is in my eyes a perfect example of a kind of political correctness which tries to hide what’s really going on in Hungary.

Endre’s remarks about “diminishing returns” also are food for thought – what kind of crazyness will Orbán come up with next to placate his followers – or rather believers as Eva remarked.
Fidesz has really been formed into a kind of pseudo-religion and Hungarians again feel to be something special in what Orbán calls “common sense” i e being again all the developments of our European culture: tolerance, religious freedom, acceptance of different lifestyles.
If you exchange the religious symbols his ideas are very similar ot those of the crazy Muslims …

István
Guest

Gybognarjr the truth is it would be very unlikely that Russian separatists would invade Hungary, but the fact that the combined separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics are about double the standing army of Hungary has to be unnerving. Effectively a sovereign nation is easily out gunned by para-military force in Central Europe.

As we all know there are no standing NATO combat forces in Hungary and to move in force from Vicenza, Italy the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team to defend Hungary would not happen in hours. The Hungarian opposition parties should seize on this opportunity of public admission of the defenseless situation of Hungary in what has become a volatile part of the world. Because after all Fidesz has up now done nothing about this situation.

I think many on this blog underestimate the intellectual precociousness of Orban, he is obsessed with creating a unified political theory of the Christian right wing hense his illiberal democracy rehtoric. If Orban was as ignorant as some would like to believe it’s unlikely he would have amassed the power he has.

Member

ISTVAN: Let’s agree, that we disagree.

If you think that Orban is intelligent and especially, that he is an intellectual, than we have absolutely no common grounds.

Francois Villon was a far more intelligent thief, than the viktor.

He also wrote many memorable poems, but his main job was being the leader of the “Gang des Coquillards”. I hope the viktor will end up the same as Villon and thankfully he will not leave behind any intellectual property to be remembered by.

Member

Collective Intelligence in the Carpathian Basement

I could easily write a computer programme that simulates exactly what Orban would do, in any situation. We all know the recipe by now. I hesitate to call this artificial “intelligence.” More like a dumb recipe. But the crucial point is that the recipe would only work in Hungary — nowhere else in the democratic world: EU, US, Canada, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, maybe not even India. So Orban’s “intelligence” is what is today fashionably called distributed, collaborative or collective “intelligence.” It requires corrupt cronies and a very, very petty, primitive populace. The only essential ingredient is an utter lack of scruples.

Member

Can’t help coming back again to defend against the insult to intelligence: Orban’s is the sociopathic gutter-smarts behind the credo “There’s a sucker born every minute.” True — and most of them live in Turul-La-La-Land…

Harrumph…

Guest

Totally OT:
I also was a big fan of Francois Villon when I was young – Bertolt Brecht used many of his ideas, n his Three Penny Opera e g. Oh, those were the days!

PS:

I couldn’t imagine Orbán as Villon – he’s much too ugly (and expletive deleted) for that!

Member

Istvan, I think you overestimate the intellectual abilities of the Hungarian electorate. Read the comments on Orban’s Facebook page. The Hungarian people’s problem is the Hungarian people. Orban is just a symptom.

Orban is creating his “legacy”, the “Orban era”. He will slip out of politics, perhaps in 2018. He want’s to leave the Titanic before the lifeboats get counted.

Member

MUTTDAMON: Thank you. You got it right, Bingo!

Guest

I find occasion to remind about Viktor Orban’s renowned dictum:

“Don’t listen to what I say, but watch what I do”.

tappanch
Guest

The key sentence from Zoltán Illés’s interview [he is Orban’s former secretary of environment]

“Everything revolves around the money from the European Union. The inflow will cease in 2020 – there will not be money for “cohesion” from that year. If you do not become rich from the money of the Union until then, then you will never get rich.”

http://nepszava.hu/cikk/1049997-illes-itt-is-meg-fognak-bukni

Free, unchecked money from the European Union corrupts completely.

petofi
Guest

I think I now know the plans of the Hungarian priesthood, post 2020…
When the cohesion funds stop and the massive corruption machinery will disband
for London, Miami, and the French Riviera….the priests will lead the nation in
crying: “Woe is us! Woe is us!!! Why does innocent Hungary suffer so?” And of course, what
follows is throwing oneself on the collective guilt feelings of European Christianity.

And sure as Shirley, then the money will flow anew!

(Hungarians. Never without a ‘brilliant’ plan.)

petofi
Guest

Every now and then I wonder about the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah. What could they have been like?

Well, one need wonder no more: they must’ve been like today’s Hungary!

I wonder: does the Catholic Church teach this truism today?

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