U.S.-Hungarian rapprochement? I doubt it

Ever since the arrival of Colleen Bell, the new U.S. ambassador to Hungary, and the departure of M. André Goodfriend from Budapest, hopes have been high in government circles that U.S.-Hungarian relations will be on the mend. The general impression is that the United States has realized that Viktor Orbán is here to stay and the Americans better make peace with him. Orbán himself is convinced of this, and therefore it is unlikely that he is planning to change his policy toward the United States. The new ambassador’s considerable charm only supports this interpretation. Lots of smiles, lots of appearances, lots of flattering remarks about the greatness of Hungarian culture and the beauty of the country.

Viktor Orbán figures that the United States, for lack of a better alternative, is forced to cooperate with him. Of course, he tries to sweeten the bitter pill by leaking information about alleged business offers for American companies, from Sikorsky helicopters to Westinghouse’s participation in the Paks project. The government even suggested that they would be willing to join anti-ISIS forces in Iraq and Syria. How serious that offer was is questionable. The government pulled back on it because of “the opposition parties’ objections.” But since when has Fidesz ever cared about the opinion of the opposition parties? Meanwhile, the courting of the new ambassador began, which Népszabadság described as a “charm offensive.”

Colleen Bell in Budapest

Colleen Bell in Budapest

In any case, the government is optimistic while domestic critics of the government are deeply worried. They believe the government’s propaganda about the greatly improved relations between the United States and Hungary, which they interpret as the American abandonment of Hungarian democracy. They are certain that Goodfriend’s departure was the first step toward U.S.-Hungarian rapprochement, which will be followed by, if not a a full-blown friendship, American tolerance of Orbán’s anti-democratic policies.

Hungarian comments on articles about U.S.-Hungarian relations accuse Washington of trading Hungarian democracy for business interests. They compare Colleen Bell to her predecessor, whom they considered a clueless woman who was charmed off her feet by the cunning Viktor Orbán. Orbán, who already met Bell at a private party, will meet her officially on the 17th. I’m sure that the U.S. ambassador will be gracious, and I predict the anti-Orbán forces will interpret her words as a sign that the United States is caving in to Viktor Orbán. As they usually say: “You see, he always wins. Western politicians are easily fooled. They are naive.”

Most likely I’m among the few who are much more cautious when passing judgment on the current state of affairs between Washington and Budapest. Clearly, it is to the advantage of the Hungarian government to give the impression that the only reason for the strained relations between the two countries was the way Goodfriend handled his job. But as Thomas Melia, deputy assistant secretary of state, reiterated when he visited Budapest a few days ago, Goodfriend was simply following the policies of the State Department, to everybody’s satisfaction. And although Bell may smile a lot more often than Goodfriend did, Bell herself, between friendly gestures, also delivers Washington’s message. She announced that she will follow Goodfriend’s practice of meeting a wide variety of people, including the opposition leaders. She made it clear that in the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, Hungary’s place should be with the West and not Russia. She talked about the rule of law, independent democratic institutions, checks and balances, free elections, and an active civil society.

There are signs, as we learned from Gábor Horváth’s editorial in Népszabadág, that the Orbán government is retreating on several fronts. László Szabó, undersecretary of the ministry of foreign relations and trade, told Melia that Hungary wants to diversify its energy supply and stressed Hungary’s commitment to the territorial integrity of Ukraine. A few weeks ago another undersecretary of the ministry, István Mikola, categorically announced that Hungary will veto the transatlantic free trade agreement. But the Orbán government changed its mind and most likely will sign the agreement, in whatever form it is eventually passed.

The question is whether American officials can be convinced that the Hungarian promises are credible or whether they will be remain suspicious that the present moves are just part of the same old peacock dance. I think that by now very few American or European politicians believe that Viktor Orbán will change, and therefore I doubt that throwing a few bones to state department officials will convince the Obama administration to radically alter its attitude toward Viktor Orbán’s illiberal state.

Attila Ara-Kovács, DK’s foreign policy expert, wrote a few days ago that the Orbán regime is “a closed system” in which foreign policy is an integral part of the whole. In his opinion, no fundamental change in foreign policy orientation is possible because otherwise the whole system would collapse. I’m inclined to agree with Ara-Kovács and therefore find Zsolt Németh’s hopes for a drastic reorientation of foreign policy illusory. Zsolt Németh, one of the founders of Fidesz who served Viktor Orbán as undersecretary of foreign affairs between 1998 and 2002 and again between 2010 and 2014, as an insider is unable to see that the disagreement between Washington and Budapest is not the result of “a misunderstanding” that can be ironed out. No, the differences are fundamental, and Viktor Orbán will never follow Németh’s suggestions for the very reasons Ara-Kovács outlined in his opinion piece.

Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs, will visit Budapest at the end of March. She was described by one of the Hungarian internet sites as “Orbán’s American bogey.” We’ll see how successful one of the undersecretaries of the Hungarian ministry of foreign affairs and trade will be in convincing Nuland, who is known as a tough cookie.

As for the Hungarian government’s overwhelmingly positive assessment of Colleen Bell, just today I saw the first signs of disapproval from Zsolt Bayer, the notorious journalist working for Magyar Hírlap. Colleen Bell asked for suggestions from Hungarians about the best way to learn about Hungary and Hungarians. According to Bayer, there was an excellent opportunity to learn something about the country but Bell missed it. On February 25 Hungary remembers the “victims of communism,” and for that day the House of Terror invited her to take a look at the exhibit. She would have had the opportunity to receive a guided tour of “one of the best museums in Europe.” But the ambassador didn’t even respond to the invitation.

That was bad enough, but she committed an unforgivable sin. On the very day of the victims of communism, she paid a visit to the Holocaust Museum where, with the top leaders of the museum, “she discussed the timely questions and fields of possible cooperation” between the United States and the Holocaust Museum. “On that day the ambassador shouldn’t have gone there. There are thousands and thousands of reasons for that, but let’s not talk about them now.” Bayer expressed his hope that Bell will visit the House of Terror next year on that day “in order to learn something about an era about which she knows nothing.”

There’s plenty of time for history lessons. For now, Bell has enough on her plate representing American interests and not becoming a victim herself, of the charm offensive.

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Member
It is my feeling and/or guess, that our State Department conducts business to serve the interests of the United States first, second and third. They are not naive. They will get results with the best available and practical methods. They deal with various Governments, dictators, ministers and they do have experience. The internal politics, the lives of the people in a given country will become secondary, if influencing it positively does not serve the US Interests also and it is being put aside for the time being. The State Dept. have analysts and psychologists and I am sure they calculated the male attitudes of the backward, primitive and male chauvinists members of the Fidesz/KDNP/Jobbik regime. They must be giving pointers to Colleen Bell, how to take advantage of the neanderthals of Fidesz, and the socially incredibly stupid viktor. She will let him kiss her hands. American women have the benefit of growing up in a parallel society, after the 60’s, where at first they got more benefits in the education system, because they were regarded as the weaker sex. However, as the generations followed and avenues opened up in academics sports and the job market, they could compete on equal… Read more »
Alane
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I was concerned at first that Bell is not a professional diplomat, but at this point I’m sure she has been thoroughly briefed – and of course she has an experienced support staff behind her. You don’t have her kind of track record at high-level fund-raising and nonprofit work based on charm alone – she has to be reasonably smart or at least good at listening to smart people.

It is unfortunate that she apparently wasn’t well-briefed before the hearing with McCain (unless that was part of some long game), but I’m sure that has been more than addressed by now.

The Embassy’s response to Putin’s visit seems to have set a clear tone.

steve397
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So Ms Bell visited the Holocaust Museum instead the Museum of Terror. If that is an accident I will eat my hat and I congratulate her and her adviser that she has done so. In my view she should wait to visit that ridiculous place of Prof. Maria Schidt where the amount of propaganda is dependent on how long the Holocaust as against the Communist regime lasted, irrespective of the number of victims, an explanation I was given on my visit.
I hope that Ambassador Bell will continue to receive the best advice, but her performance upto date certainly gives me hope that she will continue to be acting in the best interest of her country and at the same time of Hungary and Hungary’s place amongst the nations.

latefor
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gybognarjn –

I suggest you take a crash course on what women really like and want or maybe watch a few episodes of “Bold and the Beautiful”.
If you ask most women about the “hand kiss”, believe it or not, we tend to melt from joy. We usually take it as a form of RESPECT and at times as some form of adoration by the male who performs this honorable act. And we do NOT want to be “boys”!
Just for the record!

Member

I know many women who would not want “hand kiss” as it creeps them out, and younger women do not enjoy any daytime soap operas.

latefor
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Some1 – “I know many women who would not want “hand kiss” as it creeps them out, and younger women do not enjoy any daytime soap operas.”

In that case, why do you think “Bold and the Beautiful” is the most successful daytime soap all over the world? ( it’s shown in more than 60 countries) Because it aims for the young audience, the stay at home young mothers and the stay at home women of all ages. I was on holidays last week and believe it or not, I watched a few episodes,and it was good to see that there is no belting, no murder, no drug overdose, no sex-torture etc. etc.
By the looks of it dear “Some1”, MOST women are hungry for beauty! I know, I know…you will say: the simple minded ones etc. etc. but NOT every one of us enjoy let’s say: “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo” (New York Times best seller), some of us really freak out by torture and sadism etc. etc. I could go on and on why shows like “The Bold” are becoming more and more watchable.

Alane
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Speak for yourself. If I’m in a country where handkissing is a thing I’ll accept it to be polite, but I don’t particularly want a double-standard of courtesy applied to me even if it appears to be in my favor and I far prefer a handshake. No melting unless I’m dating the guy already.

The flip side of granting women special courtesies is almost always expecting us to accept extra restrictions, or making assumptions about what our feminine brains are capable of. I believe everyone should treat each other respectfully, full stop.

I’ve never watched a soap in my life and neither do any of the many educated, ambitious women I know – or the stay-at-home mothers (some of whom are the same people). Even if all women watched soap operas, they are fiction, and do not necessarily reflect what women want in real life any more than James Bond movies indicate that the average man secretly longs for a job where he gets shot at and beat up on a regular basis and turns to alcohol to cope.

gybognarjn made some mildly sexist assumptions, but yours are much worse.

An
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latefor, please don’t talk for all women. I think the hand kiss is very patronizing, especially in a professional setting (and politics would be one). Yes, in my job, I want to be treated as a professional, as an equal, and I don’t want different treatment because I am a woman (whether it’s meant out of respect or out of condescension).

latefor
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Eva, An and Alane – I made a special effort NOT to generalise. Also, I recommended “Bold and the Beautiful” to “gybognarjn”, NOT to the other commentators on this blog.
As for me, I prefer to be melted by a hand kiss, rather than to be kicked in a backside. And that is, because I’m a woman, and I don’t want to be treated as one of the boys. (Please note, I’m talking about MOST women, not ALL women.)

An
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Latefor, judging from the reaction you received here (from women) I am not even sure that your preference is shared by most women. At least on this blog the answer seems to be no.

“As for me, I prefer to be melted by a hand kiss, rather than to be kicked in a backside.”
This is a false dichotomy and I find it insulting to both men and women.

latefor
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An – “As for me, I prefer to be melted by a hand kiss, rather than to be kicked in a backside.”
This comment was supposed to be funny. I’m disappointed that you are not laughing. 🙂

spectator
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Well, I am sure that Ms Bell never, not for a single second would consider Orbán as a male, in any context, she has style, you know. She’s simply doing her job to meet with that jerk, who wears a backpack with a suit usually smaller than his size, that’s all.

As bad luck has it, she has to put up with the provincial manners of a Felcsutian Casanova from the early 20th century, instead of a refined diplomatic manners of a statesman.
You know, to learn the protocol and behave the right way is the duty of everyone in position of any government, and it isn’t question of liking or not, its a must.

Unfortunately Orbán represent Hungary, whatever he does, even when he behaves as the proverbial bull in a china-shop.

(Just for you, there are certainly much better ways to make a lady ‘melt’, you better believe me, in case it’s something unheard of..)

István
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Eva writes: “Hungarian comments on articles about U.S.-Hungarian relations accuse Washington of trading Hungarian democracy for business interests.” We have seen a good deal of that thinking in posts on this blog. The truth is as President Calvin Coolidge once wisely said: “After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of the opinion that the great majority of people will always find these the moving impulses of our life.” Now that comment standing by itself could lead one to believe that the United States of America would be more than willing to trade away any concept of democracy or fairness to make money. But President Coolidge also said: “But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it…But it calls for additional effort to avoid even the appearance of the evil of selfishness. In every worthy profession, of course, there will always be a minority who will appeal to the baser instinct. There always have been, probably… Read more »
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I do nothing that whatever Bayer has to say has any weight. He is an old man with old ideas. By the way if the Ambassador would like to learn something about the era of Hungarian communism, and how people served the system, she would not have to go far. She only have to ask Orban when she officially meets him to tell the tale of his family. She could learn about how certain people served the regime, and strike rich after too. It is a try Hungarian story, and Bayer is right, it is something that Ms. Bell probably knows little about.

petofi
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‘The tale of Hungary is told by an idiot: full of sound and fury signifying nothing.’

tappanch
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Orban on the state radio live, in his regular Friday morning show:

“ha az igazságszolgáltatást irányíthatnám, akkor már mind börtönben lenne.”

If I were able to direct the legal system, all of them [from the Buda-Cash brokerage] would be in jail.

Variation on this theme:

“ha az igazságszolgáltatást nem irányíthatnám, akkor már mind börtönben lennénk.”

If I were not able to direct the legal system, all of us would be in jail.

Source:
http://444.hu/2015/03/06/orban-ha-az-igazsagszolgaltatast-iranyithatnam-akkor-mar-mind-bortonben-lenne/

Fidesz’s attempt to link the brokerage scandal to the opposition is based on a name coincidence: there was a János Gyarmati involved in a business scandal under the Socialist government,and there is ANOTHER János Gyarmati in this scandal under Fidesz.

Economic minister Varga & Fidesz faction leader Rogan thought, mistakenly, that the same name designates the same people.

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/03/06/nagyot_bakizott_a_fidesz_a_buda-cash-botranyban/

tappanch
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Well, Orban apparently does have power over the legal system:

One or two hours after Orban’s radio talk, in which he complained that Buda-cash people were still not in jail, police detained four people.

http://www.portfolio.hu/vallalatok/orban_beszelt_es_kattant_a_bilincs.3.211069.html

Member

p.s.: The said Gyarmati (in the scandal) was never prosecuted by the way. I am not saying it was the usual Putin/Rakosi/Kaffka/Orban kind of trial, but he certainly walked away unsratched.

Webber
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It turns out, it wasn’t the same Gyarmati. The Buda Cash Gyarmati has the same name, but is an entirely different person from the Globex Gyarmati. This appears to demolish Fidesz’s claim that the Buda Cash scandal is another case of socialist embezzlement:
http://index.hu/belfold/2015/03/06/nagyot_bakizott_a_fidesz_a_buda-cash-botranyban/

googly
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Tappanch already told us that, just a few comments above yours. I see you still don’t bother to read all the comments.

Webber
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Puppy is still following me, I see – and still commenting a day or two late, never when most people would be likely to look and have a chance to respond.

googly
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You’re not very original! Or you just like to repeat yourself.

As I wrote before, unlike you I have a life, so can only comment occasionally. Of course, you managed to respond here, so that shoots down your asinine accusation about how I respond late, “never when most people would be likely to look and have a chance to respond.” You really don’t understand the concept of logic!

I also write comments right away sometimes, but you ignore any that ask you to provide evidence to support your accusations. This is why I wrote above that “you still don’t bother to read all the comments.” I was being sarcastic, since you read them, you just don’t have a coherent reply to offer.

Webber
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The only one making accusations (and insults) here is you – repeatedly and to many people.
It would be nice if you could stick to commenting on the day’s topic.
I am writing you off.
At one point Eva asked us, in any case, to stop.

tappanch
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Hungary will give 100 to 150 soldiers to fight the “Islamic State” in Iraq, at American request.

The US administration seems to have reconciled with the Fidesz dictatorship cum kleptocracy in return for minuscule foreign-policy concessions.

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20150306_Szijjarto_hivatalos_felkeres_erkezett_hog

tappanch
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Two pieces of good news from Orban’s home village, Felcsút, which has a population of less than 2 thousand.

1.
The Orban government gives 0.6 billion forints of European Union money to build a narrow-gauge railway in Felcsút.

http://444.hu/2015/03/05/sajatjakent-adja-oda-a-kormany-a-600-millios-eu-forrast-a-felcsuti-kisvasutra/

2.
The Orban government directs 2 billion forints to build 2 additional soccer training fields to the existing 7 (!!) next to the new Felcsut soccer stadium.

http://nol.hu/belfold/ket-uj-palya-orbannak-1520259

tappanch
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Remark: the budget has gained the same amount, 2 billion forints from the March 1 cancellation of home care for ten thousand sick, elderly people (méltányossági ápolási díj)

buddy
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This makes ME sick. How can these people claim to be Christian?

GW
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“The Orban government directs 2 billion forints to build 2 additional soccer training fields to the existing 7 (!!) next to the new Felcsut soccer stadium.”

Based on the performance of the Felcsut Academy to date, this is the behavior of a gambling addict on a losing streak who has decided to double down.

An
Guest

The way I see it that with Colleen Bell’s arrival the Americans decided to play the game differently with Orban and be less confrontational. It doesn’t mean they like or trust him more, it’s just that they will approach it differently. I still think it’s a huge mistake, whoever made this decision.

Hank
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Only slightly off topic: the EU also seems to be doing little but don’t be mistaken. Two weeks ago, EU Commissioner Frans Timmermans said in a speech in the European Parliament that the European Commission would not accept Orban’s policies: “We cannot allow illiberal logics to take hold. There is no such thing as an illiberal democracy.” We all know whom that refers to. The key question is how to develop instruments that work. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-15-4402_en.htm

Member

How to develop EU instruments that work was precisely the topic of Prof. Scheppele’s talk in Montreal 2 days ago. And she provides two brilliant ideas:

copacabana1987
Guest
Well argued points. I’m also inclined to think that this Sikorsky, Westinghouse, ISIS bs is just that, bs. Orban uses HVG and other not-totally-fidesznik media to leak believable (plausible) spin and create an image in the Hungarian readers (for Orban’s ultimate goal is to convince them since they will vote in the elections and not the American diplomats) that Orban settled the American issue, and also to maintain the aura of invincibility in fideszniks who clearly started to worry. Orban is a “solver of the issues”, tackling them one by one, there’s just nothing he couldn’t solve. He will “solve” the elections (politics) as well. I think the point about his foreign policy as not being amenable to fundamental change is important. It’s not just the closed system, it’s his beliefs. Orban has been actively disliking the US and the “west” for over a decade. He can’t go back now when he totally and openly subscribed to the Russian-inspired anti-West ideology. Plus he and his closest associates are being financed by Russians. This is not a myth, but a fact, an important fact in the political equation. I think it’s very naive to believe that after the Russians made it… Read more »
tappanch
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Employment full time+ partial (my calculation from official statistics):
December 2014 [December 2013], in thousands

Employees at places with at least 5 employees + non profits – fostered workers inside Hungary:
1844.3 [1805.3]

Employees working abroad, but added to the Hungarian employment statistics
[average for the October-December periods]:
111.1 [96.1]

Budgetary institutions – fostered workers paid from the budget
697.5 [686.0]

Fostered workers
188.5 [203.0]

Total :
2841.4 [2790.4]

Member

I have to repost the news from Tappanch in case we have the usual Fidesz fan brigade visiting today.

The Orban government gave 0.6 billion forints of European Union money to build a narrow-gauge railway in Felcsút (a village with 1800 inhabitants, and a soccer stadium built for for 3500 with taxpayers money), and directs 2 billion forints to build 2 additional soccer training fields to the existing 7 (!!). I also have to add that Felcsut has probably the richest population per capita in Hungary (my personal observation).

At the same time Hungary cut 2 billion forints from its budget by the cancellation of home care for ten thousand sick, elderly people. THese costs were downloaded to the municipalities. Municipalities that do not have the lucky millionaires as Felcsut, not only unable to pay for repaving roads but now even unable to pay for the help needed with basic healthcare needs to the elderly.

http://444.hu/2015/03/05/sajatjakent-adja-oda-a-kormany-a-600-millios-eu-forrast-a-felcsuti-kisvasutra/
http://nol.hu/belfold/ket-uj-palya-orbannak-1520259
http://hvg.hu/itthon/20150122_Egyeni_szocproblema__igy_veszik_el_a_csa

tappanch
Guest

In addition, the municipalities that continue to pay the 70 euros/month fee for the home care providers (usually relatives of the elderly) from their own resources:
1. cannot make the time count towards retirement of the provider,
2. cannot pay the health insurance of the provider (as was the case previously).
3. will not pay for the care of an elderly whose social security is over a threshold,
say more than 400 euros a month (concrete example)

Guest

Disgusting.

petofi
Guest

Hungary has become the measure of all societies: ie. it serves as a base, or bottom rung.
Your distance from the practices and policies of Hungary depends on how high you are on the
rung of civilization.

HAJRA MAGYAROK!

YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO GO BUT UP!!

Guest

Bottom feeders.

petofi
Guest

There is only one force in all of Hungary that can immediately reverse the trend of the country–the dual arms of the Christian Church, Catholic and Protestant. If they were to admit to past
wrongs during the communist era (so as to free themselves from the manipulation of Fidesz/Orban) and throw themselves on the mercy of their parishioners; and THEN, come out jointly against the Fidesz/Orban mafia slave state….the country could be brought to a halt in a week, and the thieves would evaporate into thin air.

The wholesale reform of Hungarian society must begin with the Church because all political
groups have been thoroughly discredited; and the people (especially the country folk) would only accept/follow the Church’s direction.

Webber
Guest

Correct me if I’m wrong, please, but I SEEM to remember self-imposed lustration in the Catholic Church (n.b. all churches were infiltrated by communist agents, incl. Judaism; E. Orthodoxy; Calvinism; Lutheranism). Given the extraordinary pressures put on all churches during the communist period I don’t know quite what you mean by the church’s “past wrongs during the communist era.”
It’s the state that committed the great crimes during communism, and it’s the state, or rather government (most recently this govt.), that has repeatedly rejected lustration for its representatives/members.

Webber
Guest

P.S. The separation of church and state was enshrined in the Constitution for excellent reasons.

Webber
Guest

P.P.S. Having spent quite a lot of time in the Hungarian countryside, I do not think the Church’s direction will be accepted by very many people at all. Have you looked at figures for church attendance in Hungary, compared with the United States? It’s miniscule, in comparison. The number of people who don’t believe in God is also interesting. Hungarians don’t seem to be very religious people at all, in international comparisons.

Guest
@petofi March 6, 2015 at 11:48 am Hi! I think that unfortunately this would be a complete non-starter, dead in the water, irrespective of any apoligies on their part for actual or perceived “past wrongs”. On the one hand, most Hungarians couldn’t give a damn about the Churches, some country folk excepted. On the second hand, the Churches and the Fidesz/KDNP mafia are like inseparable Siamese twins, with their establishments inextricably intertwined. Thus, unlike the Polish Catholic Church, the Hungarian Christian Churches lack the political credibility and gravitas that would be needed to pull off what you propose. Not to mention the political skill base. And on the third hand, the Hungarian Churches have a deeply tainted, inglorious history in desperately trying to keep Hungary a feudal backwater throughout the 19th century and until the end of WW2, then their massive co-operation with the Communists for over forty years, and in their rock solid bigoted antisemitism throughout, with only few exceptions in the past. Their attempts these days at a very partial shedding of this dreadful judeophobic legacy is of course no great enhancement (of their in any case rather tattered credibility) in the eyes of the generally deeply antisemitic… Read more »
Camille
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Certain “people working for the government” were constantly following, minding EU Commissioner Vera Jourová while she was in Hungary.

Just to clarify: this is not Russia, but Hungary in 2015 where spooks still, just like in, say, 1978, openly and constantly follow a representative of an international entity of which Hungary is a member and which finances Hungary (to the tune of EUR 6bn per annum and without which Hungary would have been long bankrupt).

Yes, it does seem t me that Orban is becoming more pro-Western, fair and more transparent. NOT.

http://444.hu/2015/03/06/orban-emberei-zaklattak-az-eu-igazsagugyi-biztosat/

tappanch
Guest

” this is not Russia, but Hungary in 2015 where spooks still, just like in, say, 1978, openly and constantly follow a representative of an international entity”.

correctly:
where spooks AGAIN, just like in, say, 1978 follow ….

tappanch
Guest

There must be plenty of mafia money in the sports, since Fidesz apparatchiks have been taking over the various associations.

First, the Fidesz mayor of district 20 (2010-2014) was elected (after irregular voting) to lead the Wrestler Association (against the incumbent olympic and world champion wrestler).

Now the Fidesz mayor of district 8 is certain to win the Handball Association.

http://nol.hu/sport/kez-a-kezben-1520261

tilinko
Guest

Tappanch, all sports associations have been taken over in the years since 2010 by fideszniks. Many fidesznik background operators and people working for the government received jobs in sports associations, including such names as György Mitnyan and others. There’s lot of money, real estate and let’s not underestimate this nation-wide information/political networks to be gained. Fidesz has been pretty strategic about these rich associations (networks), this is nothing new. Also the entire sports world is full of very shady characters so it’s quite easy to steal, it’s anyway business as usual.

Member

I just love Fidesz PR. Headline on Origo (March 1): Fidesz won the election, followed by the article that tells people that at the current by-elections Fidesz won in one municipality and lost in two.

So with 2+1 Veszprem, Fidesz lost in 3 municipalities, and won in 1. In three of those districts Fidesz won the past elections.

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