Jobbik’s program: A tragic future would await Hungary

The growth of Jobbik, considered by many to be a neo-Nazi party, has been quite successful at attracting disappointed Fidesz voters, a fact that at last frightened the government party to the point that it reconsidered its attitude toward Jobbik. Initially, Jobbik became a political factor for two reasons: its fierce anti-Roma attitude and its anti-Semitism. But the party leaders would now like to shed Jobbik’s well-deserved anti-Semitic label. The success of the party over the last six or seven years has emboldened the party leaders into thinking of a large party appealing to all segments of society. And such an ambition cannot be achieved as long as it spews racist messages against Gypsies and Jews.

Although Jobbik did well at the 2010 national election, receiving 16.67% of the votes, Fidesz didn’t seem to be concerned. The reason for the government party’s benevolent attitude toward the party to its right was that Fidesz and Jobbik shared several key ideological tenets and goals. Jobbik politicians proudly announce to this day that they, unlike the leaders of Fidesz, dare to say out loud what others only whisper. However, as time went by, especially once Jobbik started to shed its radical garb and began attracting former Fidesz voters, party strategists began to think about the most effective weapon to use against their rival on the right.

According to information received by Index, Fidesz is somewhat reluctant to turn against Jobbik with full force because its strategists worry about such a plan backfiring. Let’s say that both the democratic opposition and Fidesz attack Jobbik at the same time. It could easily happen that the party’s followers, especially the younger ones, might feel like soldiers trapped in a besieged fort, resulting in a strengthened Jobbik. Apparently, there is another consideration that makes the government party reluctant to criticize Jobbik with too much fervor. A media blitz against the neo-Nazis could prompt a comparison of the two right-wing parties, and this is something Fidesz wants to avoid. After all, they have many features in common. If the information coming from Fidesz strategists is correct, we will not see a Jobbik-Fidesz struggle anytime soon.

Given the widespread anti-Roma prejudice and anti-Semitism in Hungary, concentrating on these issues, however justified, might not be the most effective weapon against Jobbik. Foreign newspaper articles dealing with Jobbik normally concentrate on the party’s racism but domestically, I believe, another strategy should be employed. Critics should go back to the party’s official program and begin a serious discussion of its possible repercussions if it were implemented. Jobbik’s party program is 82 pages long. So it would deserve a more serious analysis than vs.hu provided a few days ago, but their article was certainly a good beginning.

Jobbik’s program is very detailed, though it omits two key ingredients: “how and more importantly from what” it can be accomplished. Let’s start with the latter. The Költségvetési Felelősség Intézet and Transparency International took a look at all of the 2014 party programs and estimated the cost of their proposals. Jobbik’s “dreams” would cost, just in 2015, 2,432 billion forints more than the current budget figures. By 2017 the projected deficit would be 11-12%. Ranked by cost of party promises Jobbik was followed–in descending order–by MSZP, LMP, Együtt-PM, and DK. Fidesz had no program.

The cost of the different programs presented by the opposition parties in 2014

The cost of the programs presented by the opposition parties in 2014

Let’s assume that Jobbik actually wins the election in 2018. What kind of a country would they create?

By the time a Jobbik government finished with its plans to make the country safer, Hungary would be a “police state.” They would introduce a gendarmerie in addition to the present police force; there would be a separate force of border guards; a guard for the government; a civic patrolling force; and the National Guard, now banned, would be resurrected. Ethnic identification of offenders would be reintroduced, and sex offenders would undergo “chemical castration.”

Social policy and healthcare don’t receive much attention, but as far as state support of families is concerned, there would be a distinction between “deserving” and “undeserving” citizens. Under the healthcare heading we read the following strange sentence: “The Hungarian nation is not sick, it was just made sick.” Otherwise, Jobbik demands that a lot more money be spent on healthcare, a desire many people share.

Then comes education. The party would completely rewrite history so “every child would learn the true history of our homeland.” They would expunge the teaching of the Finno-Ugric origins of the Hungarian language, a theory that, according to them, was “forced on the nation by the House of Habsburgs.” Instead, Hungarian children would learn about “the heritage of Hunor and Magor,” i.e. the bogus ethnic relationship between the Huns and the Hungarians. Roma children would attend “special classes” and would be forced into boarding schools where they could learn the meaning of work.

As for foreign policy, Jobbik doesn’t want to leave the European Union right now, but Vona doesn’t rule out the possibility in the long run. When it comes to NATO, however, they would lead Hungary out of the alliance immediately and would seek neutrality. A Jobbik government would take the “Eastern opening” more seriously. They would build especially close relationships with Arab countries, Iran, and Africa and would try to create a Polish-Hungarian-Croatian axis to counterbalance western political influence. These foreign policy plans are not very different from those of Fidesz. Viktor Orbán in 2009 and 2010 also imagined such an axis until it became clear that the countries he counted on were simply not interested. Since then, the formation of such an axis has become even more remote than it was five years ago. Naturally, Jobbik would spend more money on defense, but the party program wisely avoids talking about compulsory military service.

I can’t go into the details of Jobbik’s plans for the economy, which are described in the party program as the “seven fundamental principles.” The seven principles (hét vezérelv) are intended to call to mind the seven chieftains who led the Hungarians into the Carpathian basin. After reading these plans, Tamás Mellár, a conservative economist and head of the Central Statistical Office during the first Orbán government, described their most likely effect as “a tragic future.” Jobbik’s plans include refusing to repay Hungary’s national debt, which according to Mellár would mean that “we would have to lock up the country and Hungarians could visit Vienna only once every three years to buy smart phones and smart watches.”

In addition to making people understand that the Jobbik program leads nowhere except “even further to south and east than we are now,” as  Péter Ákos Bod, another conservative economist who was the head of the Hungarian National Bank under the administration of József Antall, said, those who would like to loosen Jobbik’s grip on certain segments of the population should also emphasize that beneath the new  “moderate” veneer the same racist, neo-Nazi party is alive and well. As one of the most radical Jobbik members of parliament, Előd Novák, said, “the content is still radical but the style is considerably more moderate.”

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steve397
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As is usual I expect my comments will be declared as “Magyar ellenes” by those who disagree with me. My simple view about Jobbik is that after the shameful corruption of Hungary’s present regime, there will soon be a Jobbik or coalition Government in Hungary. If for no other reason, but for the proven fact that of all alternatives Hungarians can be relied to choose the wrong one.

Even ‘though the Jobbik leadership has been in a great hurry to declare that they are not racists, not anti-Semitic or against the Gypsies only the blind or the super-daft will believe their conversion to democratic values. Unfortunately that means that the majority will accept that after Tapolca they changed overnight.

What will happen if and when this contemporary Hungarian tragedy will come again after what happened when a similarly nationalistic and confused crowd came to power in 1944, I cannot foretell but having some friends in that unhappy country, I dread the day when once again Hungarians choose wrongly. But I hope that I will not witness it and my advanced age gives me hope. But I don’t have a lot of hope for my erstwhile country.

Guest

Agreed. I myself have given up on Hungary and Hungarians a long, long time ago.

HiBoM
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So why do you bother to post here?

exTor
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Mike Balint’s “given up” statement is just a rhetoricism, something said for effect, not something to be taken literally. It seems to be a sign of his exasperation at the way he perceives Magyars to be.

He posts here because he cares enough to.

MAGYARKOZÓ

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@exTor
April 19, 2015 at 6:53 am

Thanks for giving me this much credit, but I am afraid that what I said above is rhetorical only in a very small part. My utter disenchantment with Hungary and Hungarians goes way, way back, though I remain an interested observer of Hungary and Hungarians, and occasional commenter on their antics, thankfully from a safe distance, largely for its entertainment value. Apart from that, I got no dog in this fight.

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@HiBoM
April 19, 2015 at 6:11 am

Good point, a very logical question, and the answer is: for entertainment.

exTor
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Further to your point about Jobbik’s ‘new’ direction, steve397, how has this occurred? There has been much talk about Vona rebranding Jobbik, however my Hungarian is not sophisticated enough to notice. Has Vona actually verbally and textually renounced the racism on which his Jobbik is based? Probably not. In that case, how is he softpeddling [sic] his wares?

MAGYARKOZÓ

karl busch
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To help with your Hungarian: Vona said that he “will TRIM off the extremes” that meant the neo-nazis. Trimming lets the grass grow again. That is his plan, after the final victory comes the real nazi regime.
Poor Hungarians will enter another dark phase of their tragic history. Next they will stand alone.

Member
The majority of the people in Hungary don’t see the situation as we see here, analyzing it with little or no emotions and rationalizing the possible future. Most of the elderly live their lives without interest in the daily politics, it is hard enough just to make ends meet from the retirement money. Those who have jobs, must raise a family, few will risk it. The situation reminds me of other times, when drastic changes occurred in the the political system. Most people grumbled for awhile and soon after they went about their business as usual. They adapted to the prevailing power and its whims. The people lived in the Horthy era, then Szálasi came to power, then the Russian installed their puppet governments. They lived through the Kádár years mostly happily after 1956. They grumble and demonstrate now, against the home made mess a and dictatorship and they will grumble against the Jobbik and will do NOTHING. Hungarians are unique. Most of them don’t have feeling of responsibility and they never admit, that they made a mistake. It is always somebody else, who is to blame for their misfortune. It is easier to live this way, when you have… Read more »
Webber
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“they never admit that they made a mistake. It is always somebody else, who is to blame” – gybognarjr This has kept me scratching my head for the past decades, this “I didn’t do it, I wasn’t even there, and even if you saw me do it you’re wrong.” Can someone explain this? I might understand it if the action denied were something serious, such as murder, but people deny doing the most trivial things. The denial of evident truth seems insane to me, or a sure way to mental illness. Yet many otherwise seemingly intelligent Hungarians regularly lie about what they did if it turns out to have been the wrong thing to do. Worse, they will deny they did it even if they know you, personally, saw them do it. They seem to expect you to accept, or at least not challenge their lie – even if their action hurt you. It seems as if these people think that by lying, they will erase the act. As if the lie were even better than an apology (which they will not give you, because they “didn’t do it”) I would think this would be psychologically and socially damaging. Yet… Read more »
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@Webber
April 19, 2015 at 1:56 am

Agreed. This is a genuine “Hungarikum”. In more normal, civilized societies systemic, compulsive-obsessive lying to make oneself always “right” is typical of the behaviour of psychologically disturbed, mentally sick individuals only.

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@gybognarjr
April 18, 2015 at 8:20 pm

Agreed. The question is why do bother with them at all?

exTor
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Perhaps I’m not cognizant enough of Fidesz’s history vis-à-vis Jobbik, still I question “[Fidesz’s] benevolent attitude toward [Jobbik]”. Would not the more appropriate descriptor be ‘dismissive’ or ‘unconcerned’ rather than ‘benevolent’? Did Fidesz actually do something positive for Jobbik?

Éva Balogh posits a scary ‘police-state’ future under Jobbik. Are these conjectures actually alluded to in its party program? The reeducation of Hungarians sounds like Nazi mythmaking, however instead of Aryan supremacy, it would (presumably) be Hunnic primacy.

The quest for electoral supremacy necessarily points to prettification, however covering garbage with a rug still leaves a nasty bulge in the middle of the room. The stink remains and no amount of perfume can mask it. The problem is that Jobbik still smells good to many Magyars.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Webber
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The gendarmerie and all the rest are actually in the party platform. Eva’s analysis is based on Jobbik’s public statements. It really is that bad.

Max
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When listing Jobbik’s close friends abroad one should not forget Turkey. During Vona’ s state of the union speech, the majority of foreign diplomat guests were Turkish, including the ‘ambassador’ of Northern Cyprus.

Jobbik claims that Germany, Russia and Turkey would be their main foreign partners.

I guess Chancellor Merkel is not really fascinated by this idea…

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/02/19/a_jobbik_kulfoldi_kapcsolatai/

levédia
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Nekünk Mohács kell (from all the things in the world we want Mohács) as poet Endre Ady wrote.Mohács being the battle of Mohács in 1526 which wiped out the Hungarian army entirely (including the king) and made Hungary (at least most of it) part of the Ottoman empire for 150 years. It’s the same as in Serbia. People wanted Milosevic even during a total free fall. TGM likes to repeat it often although incorrectly Benjamin’s thesis: “Every rise of fascism bears witness to a failed revolution.” Revolution meaning a leftist (perhaps a communist) one. Peripheral countries can’t compete in capitalism, they have nothing to offer. These countries (Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria, Moldova etc.) fail for a long time and most people see that in this system they will personally continue to fail (not get good enough jobs, security etc.) for ever, so they turn to the only party which offers them hope and which they haven’t tried. Rural people ‘tried’ the left, the “communists” for decades, and they know that they never again want something like that (urban people peddling foreign ideas, like Marxism or liberalism) — to bad rural people and people living outside Hungary decide elections these days. Orban… Read more »
Bálna
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Actually I think most fideszniks would be OK with Jobbik. First, the top echelon (50 people) by now amassed billions per head, and even at lower levels several hundreds of millions is the norm, they would be OK. Secondly, there isn’t much difference in ideology or policy-wise as Zoltan Balog’s statement revealed.

But most importantly, whatever the loss Orban and his people would be the happiest seeing liberals and leftists get hysteric about the rise of fascism and see them tormented by sick jobbikniks. Nothing would give Orban more joy than this. So Orban is covered: whatever happens he has his hundreds of billions stashed away and he is untouchable as his friends are staggered in various positions from the presidential office to constitutional court to the prosecution to the general courts.

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@levédia
April 19, 2015 at 3:33 am

“I attribute Jobbik’s rise 50% to the complete impotence and laziness of the Hungarian leftist, liberal elite who are enjoying themselves in their Balaton dachas as we speak.”

You mean the whole thing is (once again!) the fault of those damn Jews?

levédia
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I had to lough, it’s actually funny. But of course ‘liberals’ isn’t a code for ‘jews’ here. The leftists, liberals contribute (and do so significantly) to Jobbik’s success simply by not doing anything really, while Jobbik is working diligently. Vona moved to the Tapolca district for weeks and his underlings too before the elections and they personally visited most of the several dozen small villages in addition to the three main towns. Of course Jobbik has the momentum, but the leftists are just lazy. They are quite OK with their personal situation.

petofi
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@levedia

“Of course Jobbik has the momentum…”

And the money, don’t forget, from the Russians and Fidesz…

Guest

Synopsis of a book on Hungary’s recent history
1920 Trianonism
1944 Nazism
1947 Communism
1989 Liberalism
2010 Medievalism
2014 Zombieism

spectator
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Right on!
If I may continue:

2018 Neo-nazism

The “living dead” mental zombies already turned back not even the clock, but the calendar too to the all too fancied forties – look of the Kossuth square, the ideology what belong to the time, and so on – and now they’re intend to repeat the mid-forties (they developing anyway, a rather peculiar thing to do when one is a zombie…) right into the Russian occupation period.

Apparently the long time mentally dead Hungarians quite agree with the recent developments, otherwise they should have kicked out this sorry bunch of thieves.
They did not, so it going smooth and nice to the end.

Oh, well…

Guest

That preoccupation with their (in)glorious past is another thing I don’t understand about Hungarians – luckily my wife doesn’t look back …
If you talked in Germany today about the kings/emperors like the Prussian “Williams” probably everybody would look at you strangely!

Let’s just hope that Jobbik aka the fascists of the 21st Century won’t make it to government and a majority of Hungarians wakes up!

spectator
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Wolfi, they will end up in the government and the majority of Hungarians will keep on sleeping – nothing new here, please, move on..! Been considering the possibilities lately, and I came to the conclusion that maybe a brand new feminist party would give the chance to Hungary, what we all been waiting for. No, I’m not joking. Think about it: all the existing parties have some burden what hinders real advancement, while the populace in dire need of some new ‘force’ who can be supported wholeheartedly. On the existing layout of parties there isn’t much place to find an unoccupied spot which isn’t spoiled already, so the only territory unoccupied is a party ruled of women. Say, Ágnes Kunhalmi decides tomorrow to go on her own way – I bet that all the democratic minded females will join to her, and not only from MSZP. Do you have any idea just how many woman dissatisfied with her (political) situation today? I could even imagine her as the PM of Hungary, – she’d definitely look better front of the flags than a corpulent redneck in outgrown suit – and knowing of her communication- and diplomatic skills she wouldn’t act worse… Read more »
Webber
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Fidesz is stuck in a trap of its own making. It can’t plan to form an alliance with Jobbik, because current election laws make coalitions counterproductive before elections, and all but impossible after. In this winner-takes-all system, getting a majority in parliament is easiest without a partner. Moreover, there is no sign at all that Jobbik would ever accept a partnership with Fidesz. The only for Fidesz people to save themselves from potential time in prison is to attack Jobbik without mercy, and to soften rhetoric against the left – because the left has already proven its willingness to let Fidesz off the hook for corruption. I still remember the promises we got in 2002 that “Happy End” and the rest of the slime from the first Fidesz government would be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. Simicska, personally, was named then as someone who would be going to prison. Nothing happened. So, Fidesz, logically, should attack Jobbik. The problem is that if Fidesz says Jobbik is racist and anti-Semitic, (former) Fidesz supporters will remember that every time the charge of racism and anti-Semitism was made in the past, Fidesz’s reaction was “How dare THEY call HUNGARIANS racists and anti-Semites!!!” (as if… Read more »
Animal
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“The only for Fidesz people to save themselves from potential time in prison is to attack Jobbik without mercy” Wait a minute, let’s not underestimate Fidesz’ ingenuity when it comes to back-room dealing with Jobbik’s politicians. For starters the party ex-treasurer of Jobbik lives in Pasha park with Mihaly Varga and Antal Rogan. I have high hopes for Fidesz in this regard and in fact corrupt fideszniks aren’t particularly worried either about giving a cut to Jobbik. Jobbik’s new to the game, they may be a but more assertive than the hapless leftists but fideszniks know that if the 2/3s are gone they have to give up some of the spoils. Fidesz will never attack Jobbik head on. Fideszniks can’t do it. Partly because fideszniks like Jobbik and also because they won’t find it useful because one of the most important things one can do positioning oneself politically is choosing one’s enemies. By attacking Jobbik (instead of the communists) Fidesz would in a way signal that it has moved more to the left as it chose a right wing party as its enemy. Whereas if anything Fidesz would have to show that its right-wing credentials are as strong as ever… Read more »
steve397
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A few unrelated points:
Read the Kuruc paper to learn how Gypsies and Jews corrupt the country and what can be expected if one of these days Jobbik will govern.

Jews are now approximately .07 or .08 % of the total population of Hungary.
If you read comments in Facebook and other publication one can learn that Jews run and own the country.
As far as I know there are no Jews in the Orban Government and there was ever only one Jew in the Jobbik party, although one prominent lady member has some half Jewish children.
Whether you support Fidesz, Jobbik or any other party you ought to know that the cause of every problem in Hungary are the Jews and the Gypsies.

i-Magyar
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HiBom and Googly friends are having a foot in the past.

An enlightened Hungary needs the EU and USA.

The provincial Christian thinking killed Hungary many times.

Jobbik and FIDESZ are taking any support they can have from questionable Asian allies.

That is labeled Magyar Ellenes in my dictionary.

petofi
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For those of you not familiar with KGB/Russian Speak…Putin’s recent warnings to Israel not to sell weapons to Ukraine had nothing to do with that country. In their coded meanings, Putin simply threatened Israel, and this is to be understood as Russia’s willingness to punish (read: ‘act against’) Israel if that country should attack the nuclear facilities in Iran.

And on a deeper level still, what you have here is another threat meant to be received by the US, much as the warning to Denmark was some weeks ago.

In other words, this sick Putin is setting the groundwork for World War III…

Guest

Re: ‘Putin..setting groundwork for WWIII…’

Probably. He reminds me of that bellicose Nikita of old bringing in the nuke theme around once again. No need to talk of ‘troop invasions’ anymore. The nukes will get the job done quicker.

But for fact I’d suggest Mr. Putin’s philosophies and autocratic polices have certainly given Mr. Orban the ‘groundwork’ for formulating his polices in Hungary. Nothing like him ‘re-defining’ those high democratic values that were esteemed by dead Athenians. Yet it appears only some benefit in his political setup and human rights get a bit of short shrift in that ‘value’ system of his. And his orientation to the people he governs is questionable. Who does he think they are? Lemmings who simply follow?

Perhaps sometime in the future the Hungarian people will step up to demand good and accountable government. Certainly much better than to sleep and continually be forced to dream bad dreams as she has through the decades. Eventually they have to say enough to the political and social masochism inherent in their society.

exTor
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Gábor Vona has more than a little touch of megalomania. His Facebook mainpage shows a serious-looking lion behind an inset of GV’s face.

https://www.facebook.com/vonagabor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

To me, there are plenty of parallels to the American racist David Duke. DD distanced himself from his KKK past, got himself various plastic surgeries in order to get himself elected to the Louisiana legislature. He succeeded.

Gábor Vona doesn’t personally need a facelift. He is young (late 30s) and almost boyish looking. How could anyone who looks like him be a threat?

Vona, as the leader of a racist political party that he cofounded, is the prettification of evil. Jobbik, his party, is the personification of evil. Jobbik is being facelifted.

I believe that Fidesz will have to start attacking Jobbik head on in the coming years if no other credible opponent surfaces. The presumption is that Fidesz will not want to link with Jobbik electorally in 2018.

It seems that Vona is crying the blues. Evidently Reuters, with which Vona did an interview recently, has falsified [meghamisította] certain positions of GV. So claims Alfahír. Perhaps Jobbik’s English isn’t very good.

http://alfahir.hu/meghamisitotta_a_reuters_vona_gabor_interjujat

Is Jobbik’s platform available in translation?

MAGYARKOZÓ

juci
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Seriously, who wants to be a leftist in rural Hungary?

Jobbik is king, they are the boys of the future.

The urban leftists have no clue what to do or say to rural Hungarians who happen to decide elections in this system. The left collectively committed seppuku and Hungary will be like Poland (politically of course, economically Hungary will never catch up to Poland). Game over for lefties.

http://nol.hu/velemeny/egyszerlesz-baloldal-1528775

spectator
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“Game over for lefties.”

Well, then game over for Hungary – or at least the one with hope of any kind of democracy.
I hope you aware of that too.

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