Foreign responses to the Hungarian handling of the refugee crisis

On August 27 an article by Jean-Claude Juncker was published in Népszabadság titled “Together, courageously.” In it, Juncker declared that the European Union “will never turn those people away who need our assistance.” However, he continued, it is worrisome that the populist statements of certain politicians merely arouse passions without offering solutions. Hate speech and ill-considered announcements endanger the union’s greatest achievement, the abolition of internal borders. This is not the world he wants to live in, he said. The real Europe is personified in “those Hungarian volunteers who give food and toys to hungry, exhausted refugee children.” Europe is “those students in Siegen who opened the door of their dormitory to the refugees.” Europe is “the baker on the island of Kos who distributes bread to hungry and weary people. This is the Europe where I want to live.” Finally, he added that “by hiding behind fences we can’t barricade ourselves from all fears and sufferings.”

This article was written before 71 people suffocated in a human trafficker truck with a Hungarian license plate not far from the Hungarian border. It was written before it became known that the Orbán government was planning to introduce modifications to the criminal code that will create what has been described as a state of martial law. It was written before the contents of a parliamentary resolution were published, in which nine members of the Hungarian parliament blamed European politicians: their “irresponsible policies are responsible for the death of people.”

Viktor Orbán, the man who is, we can safely say, responsible for everything that happens in the country, says not a word. He has, as is his wont, disappeared, just as he vanishes from the chamber when he forces his minions to vote for controversial pieces of legislation he wouldn’t like to be held responsible for at a later date. I can’t imagine that any statesman would remain silent in a situation that government officials and politicians describe as a state of emergency. Orbán instead gets his henchmen to sign the odious document.

Foreign criticism of Viktor Orbán has been growing, especially since the tragedy that befell the Syrians on their way to Germany in that truck. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius gave an interview today in which he called the attitude of some countries in Eastern Europe “scandalous.” He criticized them for “not complying with the common values of Europe.” Fabius wants to dismantle the fence the Hungarian government erected as the first demand, after which the “European Union should have a serious and tough discussion with the Hungarian leaders.” French Prime Minister Manuel Valls also condemned the Hungarian “solution” to the crisis when he told a gathering in La Rochelle that “those who flee wars, persecution, torture, must be welcomed with dignity.” Look around the Hungarian train stations where families have to lie on the cement floor in designated areas.

Mourning the death of the refugees at the Keleti Station in Budapest

Mourning the death of the refugees at the Keleti Station in Budapest

On the other side, the Orbán government tries to justify its actions by claiming that they are actually defending the interests of Western Europe. Gergely Gulyás, one of the cleverest and therefore most dangerous of the Fidesz lot, in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, told the German readers of the paper that in fact Hungary’s tough stand serves German interests. They should be grateful because fewer people will reach Germany as a result of Hungary not allowing the refugees to step onto Hungarian soil. “One could say,” he continued, “that Hungary is closing its borders for Germany’s sake.” Perhaps it would be time for the German government to tell the Hungarians that it doesn’t want their help. I don’t think that Angela Merkel would like to be held responsible for more deaths of refugees who feel that they must pay smugglers because the Hungarian authorities, for Germany’s sake, don’t let them board trains for which they already have tickets. Let’s leave that responsibility to Viktor Orbán.

Reuters‘s Krisztina Than talked at length with Ahmed, a twenty-seven-year-old Syrian school teacher, and his wife at one of the Budapest railway stations. He told her about their harrowing ten-day trip from Ariha in northern Syria to Budapest. They are heading to Germany, he said. He described their journey as “a trip from death to death.” He said that if he finds a smuggler, he will go with him. “It’s better than sitting here.” Indeed, the next day “there was no sign of Ahmed and his wife at the railway station.” The family who camped out next to them indicated that “they had already moved on.” The chaos that has been the result of the incompetence and perhaps even ill will of the authorities and the fear that they will have to stay in Hungary compel these people to flee, if necessary with the help of smugglers.

Just yesterday the Austrian police checked a suspicious-looking truck near Sankt Peter am Hart in Upper Austria in which they found 26 refugees, among them two five-year-old girls and a six-year-old boy who, due to severe dehydration, were close to death. The driver of the vehicle was a Romanian citizen. It is only a question of time before another tragedy happens. This one was a close call.

Tibor Szanyi, an MSZP member of the European Parliament, on tumblr.com, blamed Viktor Orbán for the death of the 71 people who suffocated in the refrigerated truck because “if these people didn’t also have to escape from the Hungarians, they would still be alive.” Szanyi can say hair-raising things, but this time I’m not sure that István Dévényi of Válasz is correct when he claims that “Tibor Szanyi has simply lost his mind.” It was not only the right-wing Válasz that condemned Szanyi’s short note but also János Széki, a columnist of Élet és Irodalom. He is outraged that instead of mourning the victims, the first thing that comes to someone’s mind is that “Orbán will have to answer for the death of these people.” (Actually, Szanyi used the Hungarian expression “Orbán lelkén szárad” [it is on Orbán’s conscience].)

According to Zoltán Kovács, the government spokesman, the victims themselves are responsible for their own deaths. In the opinion of the leading politicians of Fidesz, it is the irresponsible European politicians who are guilty. And now Szanyi comes forward with a new culprit, Viktor Orbán himself. Of these three, I’m afraid, Orbán is the best candidate because after all he is the prime minister of the country that seems unable and/or unwilling to handle the crisis and whose government is determined not to allow these refugees to continue their journey in a legal and organized fashion. Under these circumstances, after such an arduous and dangerous journey, these people feel that they have no choice but to turn to smugglers. The more stringent border patrolling and more severe restrictions produce more smugglers and more possible tragedies. A rapid change in policy is in order. The tough talking-to Fabius proposed shouldn’t be postponed.

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Minusio
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Éva, I could not agree more with your view on the Hungarian government’s disgusting handling of the influx of refugees who don’t even want to stay in Hungary. Moreover, Germany has suspended the Dublin agreement for Syrian refugees. I say government because – as you said – Orbán avoids the flak.

Where I have my doubts is about Angela Merkel. She has turned out to be a terrible European and has only hesitantly assumed her duty of welcoming those refugees. In view of the right-wing xenophobia: much too late and with terse statements, bordering on the non-committal.

For me, as a German passport holder, she is a walking embarrassment.

Bowen
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Correction – unlike at Keleti, there is no concrete floor for the people at Nyugati to sleep on. Only grass and mud around the back, with no roof. Tonight, Migration Aid sent out an urgent request for volunteers on Facebook, because they only have enough food for 400 people at Nyugati, and there are more than 600 people currently sleeping there.

Meanwhile, there are now stories emerging of refugees who have money, but are being turned away from hotels in Budapest, because the hoteliers are either not satisfied with their documents, or don’t want to risk getting into trouble by taking in refugees. So, refugees who would love to just pay for a roof over their heads, have to sleep out in local parks or the train stations. This includes families with young children.

Also, MAV are selling tickets to refugees to Germany, in full knowledge that they will be taken off those same trains, and sent back to Budapest.

It’s no wonder that there were protests today at Keleti, and things can only get worse.

tappanch
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Number of asylum seekers in Germany January 1 to July 31, 2015:

Total: 200 thousand (195,723)

[% rejected, % of refugee+protected status granted in Germany in 2014]

Syrians: 21.51% [0.1%, 85.9%]
Iraq: 5.37% [11.3%, 84.3%]
Afghanistan: 5.26% [31.6%, 40.7%]

Kosovo: 15.33% [97.8%, 0.2%]
Albania: 15.00%
Serbia: 5.95% [99.7%, 0.0%]
Macedonia: 2.82% [99.6%, 0.0%]

Eritrea: 2.49%

http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/germany/statistics

exTor
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Your efforts at moving this discourse forward are appreciated, tappanch, however your statistics are difficult to digest. There is only a very cursory one-sentence ‘explanation’ at the beginning (of this most recent one).

You would help us by giving us an overview at the beginning. Explain to us what we will see in the figures that you present. Explain how the figures are to be assessed.

At the end, summarize what the reader has (perhaps) digested, more likely merely ingested. Tell us in words what the numbers are supposed to mean.

My bet is that many just skip over your statistical posts because, for them, those stats are dry and difficult. Humanize them with real words, tappanch.

MAGYARKOZÓ

tappanch
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Dear @exTor,

As you can see from the numbers, the Germans gave refugee or protected status to almost all Syrians last year (before declaring this openly a few days ago), the same to the vast majority of Iraqis. If you are an Afghan, your chances are roughly 50%. But if you are a migrant from the Balkans, your chances are practically nil for this status.

I also read that almost all Eritreans are accepted as refugees, but I could not find their exact acceptance rate from 2014.

exTor
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Thanx for the getback on this, tappanch.

Still some unclarity. The first figure beside the country of origin represents that country’s percentage of Germany’s refugee total. Accordingly, Syrians account for almost 22% of the almost 200,000 refugee seekers.

Of those Syrians who applied (January to July 2015) 86% were accepted and 0.1% were rejected. The question remains: what happened to the 14% that are not accounted for in the figures?

So, what we have inside the brackets are the refugee-rejection rate (first figure) and the refugee-acceptance rate (second figure). My problem is that the two figures should equal 100%.

Not sure why the acceptance rates for Syrians [86%] and for Iraqis [84%] are so high. The Germans may consider people from those two countries to be more culturally advanced (read: more westernized) than refugees from other countries. Additionally, Syria and Iraq are more torn-apart than is Afghanistan, therefore it would be (more) heartless to turn down refuge seekers from either of those countries.

MAGYARKOZÓ

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It’s explained in the footnotes of the linked stats. Those “otherwise closed” cases are people where another state is responsible for giving asylum – or denying it.

The Balkan countries are not considered as dangerous or life threatening for the people as Syria eg – that’s why there is no chance for asylum!

It may sound heartless – but you can exist/subsist/live in Bosnia, though of course on a very low level.

But in Syria many people fear for their lives …

Member

Szányi is a loose cannon, but he has redeemed himself in stating the obvious truth he has stated. Shame on all the others who are mincing words. Shame, Shame, Shame…
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Just yesterday Eva wrote an excellent piece on the rehabilitation efforts of Worthy. I must say that Orban and his puppets are on the prefect path to repeat the horrible tragedies Worthy should take blame for. The Hungarian government in deed is responsible to help to provide at least the route to some safe heaven. I do not think Germany asked Hungary’s help this time, and in fact Germany is the good guy in this game. Orban and his minions on their own decided to play some sort of “Judge”. The Marshall law they are trying to implement and the network of police and informers is the true flashback of the Gestapo and the Rakosi era. Way to go Orban! Shame on you Fidesz and your supporters!

steve397
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If nothing else, Hungarians are good at controlling their memory. Thus they forget the reception of the Hungarian refugees of 1956 by the West, just as they managed to forget the deportees of 1941 and 1944.

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@steve397
August 30, 2015 at 8:13 pm

Yeah, Europe’s champions of not just selective memory, of twisted memory, of no memory at all, and of deliberately wiped memory, but also of “memory dub-ins” of things and events that never actually happened, or at least nowhere near the way they insist on remembering them.

Mentally sick, disgusting Christian Nationalist and National Socialist types, for the most part, and the refugee crisis is bringing out the worst in them. Nauseating: egy undorító, köpedelem társaság az egész banda.

But all credit to the wonderful few who are doing their utmost to help the refugees and would-be immigrants desperately trying to cross Hungary on their way to incomparably better places in the West and North of Europe. Abszolút le a kalappal előttük!!

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I am just so upset about this whole thing. Every Hungarian through the years kept saying that the Jews should move over the holocaust as it is so far, and many people at the time did not have a chance to help. They said over and over that how different things would be now, how different Hungarians and the whole world is, that history would never repeat itself. Well, it just does. It does right now, and Hungarians, and those who just love Horthy “the saviour” have a chance to prove themselves, here is the chance for redemption, and what is their answer… the exact same chicken poop answer Horthy and his followers did, THEY LET IT UNFOLD. The comments on Hungarian websites are shocking. While ISIS is terminating people, art, and anything on its way, the Hungarian government tries to sell the story that all is well over there, and they would happily send the refugees back to their certain death. I am so very proud of those Hungarian volunteers who are out there helping, and so ashamed for those armchair critics who are sitting on the a$$ complaining about how the refugees will take away their livelihood. Upsetting.
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@Some1
August 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm

Spot on. You hit the nail right on the head.

And anyway, where is the Hungarian Red Cross? And where are the oh so charitable and compassionate Hungarian Christian churches (apart perhaps from Iványi’s little group), or the Hungarian Jewish denominations who should know a hell of a lot better? And where the hell are the Hungarian civil society organisations?

Kussolnak és/vagy nyilvánvalóan egyetértenek a kormány gyűlölet kampányával.

Disgusting, utterly disgusting.

Guest

“kussol” – yes, that’s one of those words Hungarians took from German:
“kuschen” – wish it hadn’t been necessary, what a shame!

Zorgas
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I agree wholeheartedly that the hate campaign launched by the Hungarian government in advance of the refugee influx is reprehensible, helping to create a climate of fear and play to the basest instincts of Hungarian citizens. Nevertheless, why are there objections to Hungary registering asylum claimants in Hungary as required by EU regulations (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32013R0604&from=EN)

Article 13

Entry and/or stay

Where it is established, on the basis of proof or circumstantial evidence as described in the two lists mentioned in Article 22(3) of this Regulation, including the data referred to in Regulation (EU) No 603/2013, that an applicant has irregularly crossed the border into a Member State by land, sea or air having come from a third country, the Member State thus entered shall be responsible for examining the application for international protection. That responsibility shall cease 12 months after the date on which the irregular border crossing took place.

Rather than calling on Hungary to stop following this regulation, shouldn’t there be greater support for more efficient registration, or for a change to the Dublin Regulation so that asylum claimants could be free to reside anywhere within the EU, not just in the country in which they entered the EU?

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@Zorgas
August 30, 2015 at 10:21 pm

True as this may be, and inappropriate as the EU requlations may be in this current crisis, my main objection to the way Hungary is handling the situation is the utter lack of human decency and fellow feeling shown toward miserable, desperate people fleeing for their lives.

1944 redux, as most Hungarians once again demonstrate their true nature for all the world to see. Lucky they haven’t started robbing, looting and bashing the refugees and would-be migrants like they did the Jews in the good old days of 1944, before they dispatched them to the ovens.

Bowen
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LwiiH
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Here is a fact that is convienanlty missed. The fence is entirely in Hungary. By touching the fence the refuges are already in Hungary! Second, the fence is a PR disaster for Hungary. The stories coming out of Bulgaria are horrible. A Jobik mayor (forgot is name) stated that these people destroy their documents. More likely they’ve had them stolen along with cell phone and money by local authorities along the way. Any suspicions these people had of authorities certainly would be reinforced by this so no wonder they demonstrate.
As for the area at Nyugati, it is not large enough for 200 people. Heaven forbid what happens if it rains. Most people have no shelter. The only place to stay dry is in the station. Or, in the massive Westend mall that is attached to the station.

Xet
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@LwiiH There is no such thing as a PR disaster for Hungary. After 6 years of Fidesz-rule I thought that much is obvious. But let’s recap. Orban is elected in Hungary — including some 500,000- (by 2018)1,000,0000 Transylvanian/Serbian, Ukrainian votes (significant portion of which is forged, but whatever). Western intellectuals reading intellectual newspapers don’t vote in Hungarian elections. Orban could not care less about what the world thinks of him. This is his strength. He has no inhibitions whatsoever, inhibitions are a weakness, inhibitions are for the leftists who always want to conform to perceived expected Western opinions. As long as the EU funds Hungary and that cannot be cut for a host of legal and political reasons and as long as energy comes at a reasonable price (Putin doesn’t turn off the tap) Orban literally couldn’t give a sh*t about PR. Why would he? Just because it’s embarrassing for Hungarians? Well, they should have staged a revolution if they don’t like him and not re-elect him with 2/3s. And note that he has no problem forging alliances with clueless German conservatives or politically corrupt politicians in the People’s Party or dazzling overconfident but in reality clueless foreign diplomats like… Read more »
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@Xet
August 31, 2015 at 3:17 am

Completely agree.

With however the caveat that Orbán is merely a symptom, not the cause.

The actual cause lies in the nature and mentality of the overwhelming majority of the people of Hungary, and the sick, miserable, failing society they have managed to create for themselves since the regime change in 1989.

Orbán is merely the turd rising to the surface in a cesspit: egy méltó vezére a magyaroknak.

Guest
Which ever way you look at it the Hungarian Governments response to the refugee crisis is a complete failure. On the moral level it is profoundly un-Christian – or at least how I understand the central aspects of Christianity: forgiveness, love, concern for your neighbour and so on. This government loudly proclaims Hungary as a Christian nation yet behaves like a bitter, frightened bigot. But its policy fails on a purely practical level too. For example, the fence cost 10’s of millions of dollars to build yet, $5 wire-cutters are being used to breech it. And because Serbia didn’t agree with the building of the fence, it is located some 30 metres inside the actual border. Technically a refugee just over the fence on the southern side is on Hungarian soil, and therefore, under international law, eligible to apply for refugee status. And who thought about the roads, railways and rivers that the fence crosses, thereby creating gaps for refugees. All that is being inconvenienced by the fence are local residents and wildlife. And who thought it a good idea to create refugee centres in the east of the country, meaning trains carrying refugees must travel through Budapest? No wonder… Read more »
István
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Hungarian soldiers from the 5th Bocskai Istvan, serving as members of the Multinational Battle Group-East Forward Command Post in Kosovo, appear to have been trained in what is called riot control tactics by US forces. Portuguese Soldiers assigned to the Kosovo Tactical Maneuver Reserve Battalion have also trained Hungarian force in riot control tactics, there is a video of one such training on https://www.dvidshub.net/video/419526/portuguese-soldiers-train-hungarian-forces-molotov-cocktail-attack-defense#.VeQ2dIY8KK0 . Believe it or not riot control in the US is called military operations other than war (MOOTW). Specialized forces such as the U.S. Marine Corps’ RTT, FAST, SRT and U.S. Marine Corps special operations teams such as Recon and MSOB platoons, U.S. Coast Guard Vessel Boarding and Security Teams (VBST), Port Security Units (PSU), Maritime Safety and Security Teams (MSST), Tactical Law Enforcement Teams (TACLET), and the U.S. Navy VBSS (Visit, Board, Search, and Search) are all trained in riot control. Most NATO forces have MOOTW training, the U.S. Army even has a manual on riot control technics see https://publicintelligence.net/usarmy-civil-disturbances/ Here is a quote from that manual: “U.S. forces are often faced with unruly and violent crowds who have the intent of disrupting peace and the ability of U.S. forces to maintain peace. Worldwide instability… Read more »
spectator
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Are death penalty introduced yet for illegal border crossing in Hungary?

Otherwise how would anybody explain the use of the army on the borders against – at yet – unarmed civilians?
The army supposed to defend the borders of the country in case the country under attack, they have nothing to do with patrolling the border!

I really hope, the next ‘brilliant’ idea won’t be some kind of staged shootout – just to emphasise the point..!

Istvan
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Spectator there are those who claim Article 45 of the Hungarian Constitution provides ample justification for the use of the military at the Serbian border with or without a declaration by Parliament of a national crisis, or emergency.. Specifically they argue that the Constitution holds that one of the fundamental tasks of the military is the protection of the “country’s borders”.

I would be most interested in what Kim Lane Scheppele thinks about this issue.

spectator
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Of course, you’re correct Istvan regarding Article 45, its all there, albeit it refers specifically at ”…the military defence of the independence, territorial integrity and borders of Hungary…” However, I keep wondering if there is no military threat, I mean the people definitely unarmed and without intent of confrontation, what that “justifiable force” could be, what will explain the use of military instead of the police. The Article 46 of the above referred document quite clear about it: “(1) The core duties of the police shall be the prevention and investigation of criminal offences, and the protection of public security, public order, and the order of state borders. Again, it means MILITARY DEFENCE – which is quite something against unarmed masses representing all ages and genders. Military defence usually happens with the use of weaponry, consequently casualties can’t really be discounted, can they? Here comes my original question: is the capital punishment going to be reintroduced to the illegal immigrants as punishment for crossing the border unlawfully? If they’ll be not in the liberty to use weapons against the people coming, so, they can’t provide “military defence”, why are they’ll going to be deployed at all? Once again: according to… Read more »
Webber
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Crossing the border illegally is irrelevant (it is a matter of civil justice, not for the military). If the military were to fire on unarmed civilians in a situation in which the troops were not under clear and demonstrable danger of physical attack by those civilians or by enemy troops among or beyond those civilians, that would be a war crime under international conventions. Any officer who orders troops to fire on civilians in that manner will be liable for prosecution and eventual imprisonment. The same goes for anyone higher up who orders the army to fire on civilians. If a government minister were to issue such an order, the minister can be, and surely will be prosecuted and imprisoned, regardless of his rank (witness the prosecution of Slobodan Milosevic, and many others from the former Yugoslavia). If that minister, or others, can demonstrate that the directive actually came from the PM, then the Prime Minister can be, and will be prosecuted.

Zorgas
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Hungary has managed to maneuver the situation though to where it is being criticised for following EU regulations in its insistence on controlling its borders and registering those who have entered the EU through Hungary. Shouldn’t the criticism target the manner in which asylum seekers are internally resettled within the EU rather than the legitimate need to identify and document those who have entered, as soon as possible following their entry into the EU. Were the registration process simply seen as a normal administrative process, rather than one which would require the claimant to remain in Hungary, then it might help resolve the anxiety about registration, and it might allay some of the concerns about who exactly these people are who are entering the EU.

tappanch
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If you come to Hungary, you have to respect our Vogonian culture !
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tappanch
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Orban just backed off – police let the migrants leave for Germany on train since Monday morning, without checking their passports or visas.

http://444.hu/2015/08/31/felengedtek-a-menekulteket-a-muncheni-vonatra/

tappanch
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“Update: Rund 300 Menschen an österreichischer Grenze gestrandet”

http://www.vienna.at/oebb-koennte-am-wiener-hauptbahnhof-erwarteten-fluechtlingszug-ablehnen/4438642

tappanch
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Not only the Orban government, but also the Austrian and German governments send confusing signals.

Austrians do not let in the refugees that registered in Hungary. If this is true, more refugees will try to cross with smugglers. Another solution: Hungarian government will emulate the Macedonians, they will allow all migrants to traverse Hungary without registering or stopping them.

http://444.hu/2015/08/31/a-magyarorszagon-regisztralt-menekulteket-nem-engedi-be-ausztria-le-kell-szallniuk-a-vonatokrol/

Bowen
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It’s almost sure that the people who suffocated in the back of that truck had been sleeping at the underpass at Keleti beforehand.

Police may have denied them entry to the Keleti train station to board a train.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/31/refugees-found-suffocated-lorry-austria-syrian-family-of-six

Minusio
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Apart from all the state-organised chaotic atrocities, there lies a special perfidy in the traffickers using a refrigeration lorry. As it works like a big fridge (the cooling probably turned off), it is almost airtight and because of the insulation nobody would have heard the poor people banging on the walls. They probably all suffocated within less than an hour.

tappanch
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The Hungarian governments have distributed 8 trillion forints (about 27-30 billion euros) of EU money in the last 8 and a half years.

http://444.hu/2015/08/31/megjott-a-nyolcezermilliardodik-forintocska-is-brusszelbol/

tappanch
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“German Companies See Refugees as Opportunity” [to increase profit]

The German work force would shrink by 20% without additional immigration in 20 years.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugees-are-an-opportunity-for-the-german-economy-a-1050102.html

Guest

I’ve written about this already – it is a positive thing for everybody involved!
The companies (mainly smaller ones), the workers and the Germans as customers – and now even the politicians of all parties acknowledge that it’s good!

Guest

Re: ‘THEY LET IT UNFOLD’

You know on that I’ll just add a word (not sure if it can get printed-apologies if I rub people the wrong way but I see no other word) where what we are now seeing there by the whole response to the crisis is really one big bumblef***. If these are so-called ‘democracies’ we can certainly see how at times the constituents cannot get organized and act as one to a major issue threatening the European continent. Too much hand-wringing and seemingly afraid like deer in headlights to act until the crisis threatens to overwhelm.

Gets me to Vlad over there watching patiently and not lifting a finger at all for people loooking for food, water and shelter and maybe a life they can live in with peace. Who wants problems? Right now he’s just taking in another assessment on the state of er European ‘union’. Another nice mess for him to perhaps take advantage of down the line.

spectator
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The Hungarian government is either totally inadequate, stupid and clueless to manage the situation, or even worse, they using the situation in order to introduce their own kind of marshall law, they even putting more and more pressure on the refugees – like as in the hope, they may revolt sooner or later – presenting a clear case to Orbán to do exactly what he want, with the wholehearted support of the grateful populace…

Some pretty awful brew boiling in Hungary, that’s for sure.

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@spectator
August 31, 2015 at 1:32 pm

“Some pretty awful brew boiling in Hungary, that’s for sure.”

Dumb and dumber, and malevolently so.

ER1956
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Apparently, Orban is out to prepare the most possibke trouble for the EU, just to divert the attention from the Russian and Iranian leaders’ aggressions.

The proverbial fall guy, and another stain on the Hungarian crown.

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