Hungarian politicians on the European Union

We must abandon the refugees who are waiting in vain to board a train to Vienna and beyond because at the moment no one knows what the Hungarian government’s plans are regarding their fate. By the time I could finish a post about them, my report would be hopelessly outdated. Therefore, I’d rather move to a seemingly “safer” subject: Fidesz politicians’ view of Hungary’s position vis-à-vis the European Union as the source of Hungary’s current grievances over the refugee crisis.

Two or three days ago I talked about the growing chasm in attitudes between East and West as far as the refugee crisis is concerned. The dividing line is more or less where the iron curtain used to be. A huge difference in public attitudes on many issues still exists even between West and East Germans. Almost half a century of Soviet influence left a lasting mark on national psyches.

We have of course long been aware of the political, economic, and cultural differences between East and West, but there was always the hope of “convergence,” to use a term officials of the European Union are especially fond of. But now, under the weight of the refugee crisis, seemingly irreconcilable differences have surfaced. The western countries are ready to cooperate and adhere to the common values upon which the Union was built. The former socialist countries think only in terms of nation states, which is no answer to a pan-European crisis.

Clinging to national sovereignty, thinking only in terms of the particular instead of the general is an attitude that doesn’t bode well for the health of EU. How can there be unity if the politicians of the former socialist states don’t come to their senses? And in Hungary’s case the politicians aren’t showing any such inclination. In fact, if anything the opposite is true. As time goes by, statements by leading Fidesz politicians are even less  acceptable to those who believe in the future of Europe as a more closely knit union of member states where the common good overrides purely national interests.

Let’s sample some of the prevailing attitudes within Fidesz. János Lázár, who heads the prime minister’s office, is more or less responsible for the everyday management of the country, if you can call it management. Most critics would call it floundering, which is not too harsh a judgment if we look at the government’s handling of the registration of refugees. In any event, he is the most important man in the country after Viktor Orbán, and he is also the de facto voice of the prime minister. In Lázár’s opinion the European Union is an institution under the influence of the left, and all politicians of the left are incompetent. The result: economic and political ruin.

The same theme crops up in a much cruder form in a press release by the Antal Rogán-led Fidesz parliamentary delegation. According to the Fidesz delegation, the leadership of the European Union is not merely influenced by the mistaken notions of the European left; European politicians are actively working against the Christian, national right-wing Orbán government in order to weaken it. As proof of their position they cite the “fact” that the European Union gave a lucrative job to a company owned by Ferenc Gyurcsány for the express purpose of strengthening the Hungarian left against the legitimate government of Hungary. As the press release put it: “The European Commission bought Ferenc Gyurcsány’s Demokratikus Koalícó by the pound, and therefore it is not surprising that Gyurcsány parrots the failed immigration policies of the European Union.” It’s hard to respond to such a ridiculous conspiracy theory from a high-level politician.

Help, humanity

Rogán elaborated on the same theme in an interview he gave to Napi Gazdaság, which as of yesterday has been renamed Magyar Idők (Hungarian Times). He severely criticized the European Union for its immigration policies, which practically amount to encouragement to emigrate. Rogán seems to sense that the western big guns are getting mighty annoyed and making noises about the restoration of internal borders within the Schengen frontiers, but he believes that Hungary’s current plans to stop all asylum seekers at the Serb-Hungarian and perhaps later the Croatian-Hungarian border will be the remedy. If Rogán’s ideas reflect Viktor Orbán’s notions, then I’m sure the prime minister is on the wrong track.The introduction of harsh measures, the deployment of the army, and the enactment of undemocratic laws is no solution.

In the same interview Rogán bared his feelings about the Middle Eastern refugees when he declared that he wouldn’t want “his grandchildren to live in the United European Caliphate.” This kind of talk only reinforces the population’s worries about the refugees, which is undoubtedly the intention of the government. The Hungarian intelligence services have already informed the Parliamentary Commission on National Security about the large number of terrorists they identified among the asylum seekers even though real terrorists are unlikely to arrive in Europe on foot and climb under or over Orbán’s fence. Unlike the refugees, they can buy plane tickets.

The same theme was echoed by Szilárd Németh, an important Fidesz politician. According to him, those members of parliament who don’t support the Fidesz amendments to the criminal code “unequivocally prove that they place the interests of the immigrants ahead of those of the Hungarians.” The situation that developed at the Keleti (Eastern) Station “will not be solved by politicians,” especially not by those irresponsible EU politicians like Jean-Claude Junker “who practically encourage people to come without fear because there will be no problem once they are here. . . . We, on the other hand,” he added, “stand by the current laws” of the European Union.

At the end of his press conference Németh indicated that it was Viktor Orbán who initiated the meeting with Jean-Claude Junker, Donald Tusk, and Martin Schulz scheduled for tomorrow. I’m not so sure that this was the case. Given the firm stand of the western member countries on the immigrant issue, I have the feeling that the invitation came from Brussels. It is becoming increasingly obvious that they are seeking a common policy that would entail each country taking a certain number of refugees, the kind of quota system Viktor Orbán earlier categorically rejected. Those who refuse to play ball will be in one way or the other “disciplined.”

A few days ago I suggested that I would not be shocked if Viktor Orbán, despite all the noise he has been making, would eventually cave. He certainly hasn’t caved yet, but the Hungarian ambassador to Berlin, József Czukor, in an interview with ZDF, a public television station, suggested that perhaps under certain circumstances a solution that would distribute the immigrants among member states could be discussed after all. The interviewer was greatly surprised and asked Czukor again about the issue. The ambassador repeated that “this problem must be solved together.” The interview can be seen here.

What kinds of “certain circumstances” was the ambassador talking about? I fear that what the Hungarian prime minister has in mind is the acceptance by the European Union of Hungary’s plan to seal the Serb-Hungarian border so tight that no one would be able to enter the European Union on land through the Balkans. In that case, Hungary would accept a few hundred refugees. If that is the case, Viktor Orbán’s trip might not be a success. I am sure that the western democracies are demanding close cooperation and humane treatment of deserving refugees and will reject the solution, with its attendant draconian measures, advocated by the Hungarian government.

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nwo
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I think the chasm between East and West is among the governing political class more than the various general publics. Merkel has been brave. We will see how many others really will join her in being so. Orban has reaped political benefit from the demagoguery. He now (as is his usual strategy) be forced to back track but will plead for money and blame the EU. The real problem is that there is no viable EU-wide solution and there is little reason to think the tide of refugees will abate (though winter should slow it down).

csoda.peter
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Some countries are accustomed to originating refugees, others to receiving. Fundamentally the people in these countries are now very similar. I suspect the East-West ” divide” on this issue is that simple.

ER1956
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Of course, we have to support the refugees from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya….

We were refugees from Hungary, East Germany, Poland….

Today, we have to blame the leaders of Russia, Syria, Turkey and Iran for the civil wars of the Middle East.

Thomas whiting
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As an American, i would add the U.S. to this impressive list.

István
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ER 1956 oh there are plenty more to blame than the elites of Russia, Syria, Turkey, and Iran. We could start maybe with the Sykes–Picot Agreement of 1916 that drew up a map creating unstable nation states in the Middle East out of the collapsing Ottoman Empire during World War I which were to be controled by the great powers. We could add to it my country’s invasion of Iraq and Afganistan following 9/11. The problem is that the uncharitable attitude of Orban and his Fidez/Jobbik colleagues could become the norm in Europe if the refugee crisis continues for a prolonged period. There is no reason to believe the Islamic State and it’s brothers in Afganistan are going to give up their fight to fully reestablish the Caliphate. There is no reason to believe that my nation will allow that to happen either, the result is going to be hundreds of thousands of additional refugees over the next few years. The refugees Hungary is seeing may very we’ll be only the vanguard of what is yet to come. Once the social welfare costs begin to bite in Germany and Scandnaivia for refugees we shall see a change in attitude and… Read more »
Member

Yeah, the Hungarians are ahead of of the curve … Be an asshole today. Don’t wait for tomorrow.

Webber
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Eva, you were prescient. Not only has the refugee situation changed over the past few hours, but the government has denied what Ambassador Czukor said on German t.v., or rather has said that the ambassador was misunderstood because of poor translation…
http://index.hu/belfold/2015/09/02/kvotarendszer_menekultek_czuklor_jozsef_nemetorszag_zdf_nagykovet_berlin/
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Zsepac
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I am afraid the major difference here is that Orban and in general extreme right unlike civilized Western leaders is very comfortable with xenophobic hate speech. I am not sure there is any difference about being totally unprepared and improvised management of the situation. Their is not any difference either in their intention about allowing most of the refugees immigrate into their countries. The number of potential refugees only from Syria might be around 10 million. 4 million already left the country. About the same number left already their home, but not yet the country. And the rest of the Syrians are in mortal danger but still in their home. It is not simply a warzone. Virtually the entire population is targeted for genocide. Germany agreed to take 800,000 refugees this year. That is a drop in the bucket. It is clear that the decision about letting the refugees more from Hungary to West depends on the German and Austrian plan. The Hungarians merely execute their decision. It is also likely that the fence is more or less a joint decision. Orban is more than happy to take the blame.

Richard Ray
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As with most crises, they are solved by preparation and planning on national and local levels (think natural disaster response); a rather weak point in Hungarian government. Maybe the EU thought they would have more buffer time to react, but that too is gone. I will be most interested in the game called NIMBY (not in my back yard), perhaps renamed NIMV (not in my village) as the immigration wave permeates to the village/personal level. National policy will have less effect than personal conscience and hopefully there will be bright spots.

LwiiH
Guest

The Hungarian government is clueless when it comes to public policy. They are just interested in lining their pockets. All of this mess is a convenient distraction in that they can divert attention and unite everyone to continue to be in the position to continue to line their pockets. Problem is, the middle eastern countries have also very clueless when it comes to setting public policy. Just look at the levels of spending on education. In a world where knowledge is power, dumbing down a population by decreasing spending on education and limiting educational opportunities is just plan dumb… period!

I was by Keleti tonight and the station was inundated with people. There was at least one line for people handing out pizza but in general the station is a bloody mess. I saw people sleeping rough in a park south of Hungaria Korut just off of Ullio ut (about 5-6km from Keleti). There is absolutely no support for anyone out there. I’ll be by Nyugati tomorrow evening dropping off things.

ER1956
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We have been crawling from crisis to crisis since the beginning of history.

The simple fact is that the modern nazis are the leaders of Russia and Iran, who employ millions of terrorist foot soldiers in all kind of shades to break up the Western Greco-Roman civilization.

The modern Chamberlains are the Obamas, Camerouns and Orbans who lend a hand to the East to end our civilization.

Our suicide will not be pretty. It is being prepared by the mini genocides of our times in Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Chechnia, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Chad, Iraq, Burma….

Lazy attitudes will not save us.

Guest

Re: ‘Our suicide will not be pretty. It is being prepared by the mini genocides of our times in Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Chechnia, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Chad, Iraq, Burma….’

With regard to all that and the rise of ISIS if Obama can be construed as say being an MD specializing in country operations he’d have to have his license revoked. From the looks of it his dream of a so-called sovereign and stable Iraq was based on a set of sutures that are now bleeding profusely. And the infection has broken out far from its borders.

Also, as ‘Bama goes out Vlad moves in and not for vacation into the Crimea and sends in those ‘ little green men’ without passports into Ukraine for some fun to keep the EU busy. If I were the Baltics right now I’d sleep with one eye open. Like Lotto hey you never know.

clive75mercer
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I wish that I didn’t suspect that the British Prime Minister [David Cameron] and many British people aren’t closer to the views of Victor Orban and many of the Hungarian people, than they are to the wider and more humane aims of the European Union. Time will tell, but in a recent short interview given by David Cameron, he continued to express his view that the problems that drive the refugees into Europe, have to be solved in the countries from which they are escaping. Undeniably true, but how, bearing in mind the complexity of the “home” situation ? What a stupid and unrealistic statement to make, recognising the current state of exodus, and the desperation of those people who feel that the only course open to them is to flee, to find a haven where they and their families can feel safe and secure. Is that not a natural human wish, to which we should be able to relate ? Promoting the lack of empathy with this situation, by pushing the idea that refugees pose a threat to the cultural integrity of European Nations, especially when Religion is used as a factor is noting short of criminal biggotry.

tappanch
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Direct train transportation between Hungary and Western Europe is suspended today !

http://www.mavcsoport.hu/mavinform/budapestrol-nem-indulnak-kozvetlen-vonatok-nyugat-europaba

The prime minister of Bavaria, Horst Seehofer, supports Orban.

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/08/31/menekultek_bevandorlok_krizis_percrol_percre/bajor_kormanyfo_orbannak_segiteni_kell/

timba
Guest

Yes, the righteous Bavarian people of Germany are united behind the leader of the Hungarian nation, Herr Dr. jur. Viktor Orban.

Like it or not, Orban has a lot of Western friends who adore him.

These friends – just like Seehofer – would love to be that uninhibited as Orban is but hate themselves for following the German cultural codes though Seehofer is a bit of an outlier already.

A lot of these right-wing European politicians cannot openly love (envy) Le Pen or Pegida or whatever because that would not be politically correct, but hey Orban is a legit politician, well-liked by his people, no corruption case ever sticked to him, he’s all clean as far as the EU is concerned. So it’s OK to like him.

Orban feeds on conflict and chaos, he simply cannot potentially lose politically. He takes it easy, he has all the time in the world until 2018.

Guest

Seehofer is the ugliest figure among CDU/CSU politicians!
He’s the one who is against homosexual couples having the right to adoption – because a child “needs a father and a mother”.
On the other hand he’s one who got his secretary in Berlin pregnant and then left her alone to return to his wife – a real Christian!

I wrote a joke about him:
He went to his Catholic priest and told him that his secretary was a witch – she made him have sex with her – and asked for her to be burned on the stake!
Sorry, said the priest, I understand you, but you’re two hundred years late …

pert
Guest

Whatever happens, the EU will remain the most comfortable punching bag for Orban especially as the EU doesn’t care about being that punching bag.

The migrant crisis is good for Orban, fideszniks will blame all chaos on the EU (that the EU was unable to solve that problem too) and it really diverts attention from further corruption cases (most recent the metro line 3 and the Russian metro car decision). As long as there is chaos, it’s good for Orban.

bimbi
Guest

So Mr. Orban is being taken to the woodshed in Brussels? A repetition of his childhood experiences.

In Britain Mr. Cameron is also refusing to take in any more refugees and has received this comment from Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the head of the Catholic church in England and Wales:

“This is a disgrace. That we are letting people die and seeing dead bodies on the beaches, when together, Europe is such a wealthy place. We should be able to fashion a short-term response, not just a long-term response.

“It is no longer an abstract problem of people on the scrounge. It’s not. It’s people who are desperate for the sake of their families, their elderly, their youngsters, their children. And the more we see that the more the opportunity for a political response that is a bit more generous, is growing. What is screaming out is the human tragedy of this problem, to which we can be more generous.”

Meanwhile the “official Catholic Church in Hungary, with their snouts in the power-and-money trough, remains deafeningly silent, Wasn’t there something about ‘power corrupts’?

bimbi
Guest

Antal Rogan (isn’t that the one who is the kickback king of Budapest’s Vth district?) tells us that he doesn’t want to see

“his grandchildren to live in the United European Caliphate” .

Quite right too, except he forgets that we are currently living in a catholic “caliphate” (as Europe has for the past several centuries).

If he would ever be sincere about what he proclaims the first thing he would do would be to ensure a constitution for Hungary and for Yurp that separates church and state.

Sure there are too many cults. We can’t even get rid of the ones we’ve got!

Bowen
Guest

So now some trains are running from Keleti, taking refugees. But the trains are stopping in places like Bicske, and turning the refugees over to the police?

is the intention just to empty Keleti, to ‘show’ the world’s watching press that the crisis in Budapest is ‘over’?

tappanch
Guest

My (perhaps bad) sarcasm, apologies.

May-June under Horthy: H. gov’t sends 10,000 unwilling people to Germany every day.
August-September under Orban: H. gov’t is not able to send 3,000 willing people to Germany for more than a day.

Bowen
Guest

Migrants taken off Budapest train at Bicske by police bang on windows shouting ‘No camp! No camp!’ – @Reuters

Kingfisher
Guest

British reporter on the train in Bicske.

https://twitter.com/jamesmatesitv

Guest

Der SPIEGEL has several reports on the refugees in Hungary – here for example a confrontation at the Serbian border with a large group of Jobbiks including Vona Gabor:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ungarn-fluechtlinge-treffen-an-der-grenze-auf-rechtsradikale-a-1051139.html
Again many of the Syrians there say that they want to get to their family members which already are in Europe (Sweden eg) – no one wants to stay in Hungary!

Ron
Guest

Yes and VO even admitted this in Brussels. So why making a big fuss about this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34136823

István
Guest
Denmark began this week is slashing of benefits for asylum seekers to bring down the number of refugees coming to the country. Under the new rules an asylum seeker without children will receive 5,945 kroner (797 euros, about $882) per month in benefits, Single parents arriving from a non-EU country will receive 11,888 kroner per month, compared to 14,426 kroner now. And couples with children who can currently claim 28,832 kroner will see their monthly benefits cut to 16,638 kroner under the new rules. Just for comparison here in the USA an adult determined to be too disabled to work without children and who becomes eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) gets $733 a month (see http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/SSI.html ). There is no question that the average cost of living is higher in Denmark than here, but it is also obvious why refugees are flocking to Northern Europe. The median wage in Syria at the start of the civil war was about $212 a month. As I indicated Orban Fidesz/Jobbik hostility to the refugees could become the normal reaction in many European nations. He is unfortunately ahead of the curve on this issue and could possibly become a hero figure to the… Read more »
nik
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I always thought that the absolute key expression of the Fidesz-Orban era is what Lajos Simicska dared to utter last year: “geci”.

There is a verb also created from this noun “gecizés” which means the gratuitously causing problems just for the sake of it, I would suggest that it is implied that thereby gaining pleasure from the plight of the other party.

This is the word that makes you understand all those stories where Fidesz could have acted only corrupt and aggressive, but it nevertheless always specifically chose to inflict unnecessary pain, complication, difficulty, humiliation on others (who are not fideszniks, who are deemed liberal, just random people who got caught up in the fidesznik machinations etc. ).

The question is why? Why is Orban and co. always without fail choosing the most “geci” solution?

http://444.hu/2015/09/03/netto-gecizes-amit-magyarorszag-a-menekultekkel-muvel/

greek
Guest

Otherwise known as sadism.

tappanch
Guest

“The dead in Syria” are “better [off] than this in Hungary”
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“Thank you Serbia, Greece, Mekdonia [sic]
go to hell Hungary government”
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tappanch
Guest

People do not really trust Orban’s camps: (Bicske, September 3rd)

indavideo.hu/video/Itt_a_magyarazat_a_bicskei_kepekre

By the way, Bicske is not far from Orban’s home village.
He should take in a few refugees like Gyurcsany does.

In addition, Orban had a full soccer stadium built there for
the convenience of the refugees.

tappanch
Guest

Allegedly the same church, but what a difference!

Bishop of Vienna a few days ago: church institutions can take in 1000 refugees.

http://nol.hu/kulfold/ezer-menekultet-befogad-a-becsi-katolikus-egyhazmegye-1560647

Bishop of Budapest-Esztergom: We would become “smugglers” if we helped them.
The churches are not entitled to take in refugees at this moment.

http://nol.hu/belfold/erdo-peter-embercsempessze-valnank-ha-befogadnank-a-menekulteket-1560839

Reality Check
Guest

Disgusting position by the Hungarian Catholic church.

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
Guest

“The churches are not entitled to take in refugees at this moment”

“Entitled” by whom? Christ or the inhumane animal, Orban?
They”ll “take in” and hide paedophiles but innocent women and children, fleeing from warzones?

Member

That explains why some of the churches helped the nazis. They did not want to go against the existing laws at the time that called for giving up all the Jews! Nice coming Erdos!

wal
Guest

Erdő is a lawyer by training and I know that he is a respected legal scholar.

Member

One more thing. Erdos seem to forget that he supposed to serve God and the Bible, and his boss is the Pope, not Orban. I never read that in the bible!

Reality Check
Guest

They have no orderly system to get the refugees onto trains. They just them scramble and trample each other. Several injured.

Shame on the Hungarian government for their inhumane and incompetent handling of this situation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3220673/All-aboard-migrant-express-Germany-Chaos-Budapest-police-reopen-station-following-two-day-stand-hundreds-immediately-swarm-trains.html#ixzz3kgD41xBJ

tappanch
Guest

The democratic opposition managed to delay the vote, from Friday to Monday, on the introduction of the new police powers.

According to the new bill, police can enter private homes without search warrant, if it suspects illegal aliens are there.

See 3. §

http://www.parlament.hu/irom40/05985/05985.pdf

tappanch
Guest

Ex-premier Gyurcsány’s house will be one of the first places – Orban is still afraid of him.

Bowen
Guest

Media (who were on the train to Bicske) are being told to go away, so there will be no record of what happens next to the refugees.

The wi-fi in Keleti has been turned off since this morning.

Guest
Re: I recommend all of you to take a look at the video which shows the exchange between Orbán and Schulz. It is here that Orbán talks about the refugee crisis as a German problem. Schulz expresses his fear of the end of the Union as it exists now in the strongest terms without actually saying it openly. I have the feeling that the patience of the western democracies is running out” I saw this as well just now. When I heard it was a ‘German’ problem I was amazed. I think Hungary’s an ‘Asiatic’ country now. A life with Europe? Are we kidding? I have to believe they have undoubtedly decided to feed at the ‘trough’ of Putinstan. VO and his boys surely revel in their choice of the upside. And the Church in all this. Silent as the grave. Pains me deeply to see it. When an institution which arguably holds in its DNA the moral consciousness of the society where it exists and fails to abide by its mission it is another feeble abject run of the mill institution enabling autocrats to be the guardians of a country adrift in our ‘game-changing’ post-modern world. Today all things… Read more »
Webber
Guest

All Western news sites and papers I’ve viewed in several languages, including the generally insipid news on Yahoo, features the situation in Hungary. Right-wing, left-wing, and neutral – all describe the Hungarian government’s actions in negative terms. This is a public-relations disaster of the highest level. Everyone in the world who reads can and will see this news.

zubie
Guest

Orban and his people could not care less about the international media opinion. They sleep like a baby.

The Fideszniks will launder a bit more money through Art Finkelstein who will hire some more retired politicians and elder statesmen (industrial leaders, e.g. someone on Rothschild’s payroll etc.)

Orban cares about what’s going on in Hungary, readers of Yahoo don’t vote.

Remember that W and his people couldn’t care less about the fact the Europeans hated them, for Orban foreigners are irrelevant unless they drop bombs or cut off funding. This strategy worked so far for them, they will not give in now.

Member

Finkelstein. You never know what “we” jews would do.

Guest

@zubie
September 3, 2015 at 11:54 am

Feel better now that you got off your chest that it is all the Jews’ fault (“Finkelstein” and “and someone on Rotschild’s payroll”) ????

Yecch.

Guest

Re: ‘….public relations disaster’…

Yes especially if you are usually not top of mind when it comes to being consistently focused upon when it comes to global news making. Curious if it will affect tourism. But who knows? Maybe some in that ‘reklam’ business right now are thinking of getting in perhaps little baby pandas with names of Rifi and Fifi …..to soften the image. It’ll probably help out in the tilt to that enticing ‘Eurasian’ group as a counter to the ‘not-ready-for-prime-time’ EU on continental affairs.

petofi
Guest

The more Orban isolates Hungary and its citizens, the more they gravitate to him and his party.

Webber
Guest

And many news sources are reporting Orban’s claim that Hungary is “defending Europe against Muslims.”
Who ever asked Hungary to do anything of the sort?
The racism inherent in Orban’s statement is more than obvious to anyone raised in a Western democracy.
A short FO is appropriate now. Hungary’s Schengen membership should be suspended.

Webber
Guest

What kind of Christian acts in this manner? How dare Orban claim that he is defending Christianity! He has violated the most basic tenets of Christ’s teaching.

zubie
Guest

Christianity in Hungary, everybody knows, has nothing to do with Christianity.

It has everything to do with conservative (rural) white middle class voters.

Tal
Guest

Christianity in this respect is the same as Islam for poor, say Egyptian voters. It’s a symbol of a secure knowable world untainted by capitalism, modernity, American imperialism and so on.

“Christianity” is a concept for Hungarian white voters who hate capitalism, liberals, gipsies etc. There’s absolutely nothing Christian in “Christianity” invoked by Orban.

Member

What about the ax-murderer from a muslim country. The love for Erdoğan? Sisi from Egypt? I love OV.

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