István Simicskó’s encounter with Celeste A. Wallander, 2002

Viktor Orbán doesn’t like to waste time. Yesterday afternoon Csaba Hende, minister of defense, resigned, and lickety-split the prime minister named his replacement, István Simicskó, who as of this afternoon could occupy’s Hende’s empty office in the ministry.

I suspect that not too many people are familiar with Simicskó, although he has been a member of parliament since 1998 and off and on has been a member of various Fidesz governments. The name will resonate in the White House, however, with Celeste A. Wallander, special assistant to the president and senior director for Russia and Eurasia on the National Security Council. How on earth, you might ask, would Celeste Wallander know who István Simicskó is? Here in a nutshell is the story.

Back in November 2002, when Wallander was a senior researcher at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, she wrote a study on NATO in Foreign Affairs with the title “Shape Up or Ship Out.” In it she pointed out how the new NATO countries were failing to fulfill their obligations:

Unfortunately, the evidence is that other new members are already falling behind on their commitments. Recently, a senior figure in European security remarked that “Hungary has won the prize for most disappointing new member of NATO, and against some competition,” citing the previous Hungarian government’s antisemitism, extraterritorial claims against its neighbors, and failure to play a constructive role in Balkan security. Indeed, Hungary seems to have accepted this dubious distinction. The new Hungarian defense minister, Ferenc Juhasz, even admitted on local radio after meeting with NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson that Hungary has failed to meet its NATO commitments over the past four years to such an extent that the alliance has unofficially told him that Hungary would already have been expelled if an expulsion were possible.

Hungary appears to be back on the right path after the defeat of Victor Orban’s nationalist government in elections earlier this year.

This article appeared in a highly respected journal, and normally it would not have prompted an incident. Not unless the criticism was directed against anything connected with Viktor Orbán’s government or party. Simicskó, who after the fall of the Orbán government, became the deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on defense, created a storm over the article. Not only did he point a finger at the Horn government as being responsible for the sorry state of the Hungarian army but he also began working on a conspiracy theory. Celeste Wallander was accused of being in cahoots with members of the Medgyessy government, then in power. Simicskó was convinced that “such critical remarks and articles appearing about Hungary prepare the ground for Hungarian participation in a possible war against Iraq and sending soldiers to Afghanistan.” In plain English, Celeste Wallander the political scientist was pictured as an agent of American military circles in addition to working with the Medgyessy government because “the picture becomes complete when we consider that [the article] came out in preparation for Prime Minister Medgyessy’s visit to Washington.”

A few days later Simicskó wrote a letter to the political scientist and told her off for including the quotation that “Hungary has won the prize for most disappointing new member of NATO, and against some competition.”

I don’t remember all the details, but I believe Celeste Wallander answered Simicskó’s letter. That wasn’t the end of Wallander’s woes, however. She was also attacked by the internet group known as the Hungarian Lobby, which is actually a Fidesz lobby. The group was founded by Béla Lipták, who left Hungary as an engineering student after the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and who is the author of several highly technical books on such topics as process measurement and analysis, hazardous waste, and air pollution. Every time a newspaper article critical of Orbán’s Hungary appears, Lipták writes to the thousands of people who receive the Lobby’s newsletter and asks them to bombard the editors of the paper or in this case Celester Wallander herself with letters of complaint. He provides a sample letter but tells the members to change the sentence structure a bit and make sure they add their own name; that is, don’t send the form letter with Lipták’s signature. As soon as Lipták got wind of the Simicskó-Wallander exchange, the Hungarian Lobby machinery moved into action and the poor woman was inundated with hundreds of letters.

I, who out of curiosity receive Lipták’s newsletters, decided to write a letter to Celeste Wallander and express my sympathy. I wanted to show that there are people who don’t share the ideas of Simicskó or those of Lipták’s indefatigable letter writers. We subsequently exchanged a number of letters about the incident.

Lajos Kósa, chairman of the parliamentary committee on military affairs, and István Simicskó after the committee approved Simicskó's appointment for the post of minister of defense

Lajos Kósa, chairman of the parliamentary committee on military affairs, and István Simicskó after the committee approved Simicskó’s appointment to the post of minister of defense

In 2010 the consensus was that the most likely candidate for the post of minister of defense would be István Simicskó, but on April 27 the word came down that Csaba Hende would be appointed and that Simicskó would have to be satisfied with the post of undersecretary. The next day I wrote an article about the 2002 incident in Galamus titled “Simicskó István esete Celeste A. Wallanderrrel” (István Simicskó’s encounter with Celeste A. Wallander). By that time Celeste Wallander was deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia/Ukraine/Eurasia at the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. In that article I mused over the possibility that if Orbán had appointed Simicskó minister of defense sooner or later he would have had to encounter, perhaps even in person, Celeste Wallander.

Since then Wallander has moved even higher up on the U.S. governmental ladder. Somehow I doubt that Simicskó will ever have to face Celeste Wallander because is unlikely that he will have occasion to pay a visit to the White House. I’m certain, however, that Wallander will remember, and not too fondly, the name of the new Hungarian minister of defense.

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buddy
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Simicskó is quite well known here in Újbuda, where he appears in pretty much every issue of our free local rag published by the municipality. Actually, before the elections last year he was literally on every page, and the entire local newspaper, which is supposedly non-partisan, was turned into a pro-Simicskó mouthpiece (nothing new there).

But the strange thing is that the local paper always stresses his connections with sports and water polo in particular (as he was undersecretary for sports affairs). I don’t recall them saying much about any qualifications for him to be minister of defense.

At the very least, I think we can all agree that it is extremely odd for Simicskó to go directly from undersecretary for sports affairs to a country’s minister of defense. It’s hard to imagine that his previous post could prepare him for his current one…

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A bit off-topic, but only a bit, I see the video of the N1TV camera operator/journalist tripping and kicking refugees has gone viral – as they say nowadays. In other words in is all over the world’s newspapers and on all over Facebook and Twitter. What an utterly mean-spirited petty act of cowardice and hatred. I can only weep tears of anger. I know the FIDESZ/JOBBIK are playing the genuine, and difficult, refugee crisis for all its worth, but people are ultimately responsible for their actions. This camera operator had choice as how to act and choose the low road of vindictiveness and callousness. She will pay a high price for this I suspect, as it should be. My FIDESZ-loving Facebook friends happily point to what “the other side” has done as if to excuse her actions. As we all know there is no shortage of evil in the world anywhere and everywhere. But this act, as petty and relatively harmless as was, still feels particular sickening. A real shame too because the actions of some many Hungarians who have helped the refugees will be diminished and brushed aside by the headlines about a Hungarian journalist who kicked and tripped… Read more »
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I very much agree with you. I try to post on my Facebook page the good deeds Hungarians doing, but I have a few friends who puts up a whole bunch of right-wing crap, and I have to combat that with real news of how bad the government and certain individuals are. That animal cinematographer’s actions cannot be justified. She was not in harm’s way, she choose to kick a child, a little girl, and choose to trip a father who was carrying a child. A kid has nothing to do with the evils of this world. This person choose children, she dod not choose to pick a fight with an adult, she is a scum, and anyone who can justify (after watching that footage) this cinematographer’s actions is a scam too. No exceptions!

buddy
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N1 has fired her, but their statement did not include an apology.

Chop
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The news is (I never heard about it before) that there exists an N1 TV at all.

Why doesn’t each of Együtt, DK, MSZP have any such medium?

That’s the issue not that disgusting lady. If you get bogged down in the vivid story you miss the bigger picture.

Jobbik is tirelessly, diligently building its network, its media, its people are active. It’s exemplary.

Meanwhile the left-wing (none of its more than half a dozen parties is) absolutely nowhere to be found. They are lazy, they hate to work, they just don’t care. I can well imagine that in 2018 leftists (i.e that remaining tiny minority) will actually vote for Orban, they will be so upset about the laziness and dumbness of the leftist parties.

That’s the story.

Reality Check
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1) N1 TV does not appear to be a broadcast network. Just a website.

2) Yes, the left-wing is somewhere to be found. You are not paying attention to those sources. They have been quite vocal, made legislative proposals, etc. They are of course powerless in a parliament with a nearly 2/3 Fidesz majority.

3) Governing and radical parties tend to dominate the new cycles. Watch ATV if you want a source that reports on left politicians view and activities.

4) Left could do much better, but I suspect the left bashing on this site is from those posing as caring about the left.

Member

In Hungary’s Electoral Sweepstakes, Fidesz Strives to Out-Jobbik Jobbik

Hungary’s ruling party, Fidesz, are “merely” amoral criminals.

Hungary’s sole sizeable “opposition,” Jobbik, are vicious monsters.

This camera-woman, representing a Jobbik TV station, was “fired,” but with no apology for her actions. “Case closed.”

(Fidesz is competing for Jobbik votes, so, in characteristic amoral fashion, apes and sometimes even out-Jobbiks Jobbik — which, in turn, is trying to tone down its neo-nazi image to look more electable.)

No wonder the refugees refuse to budge unless accompanied by Western journalists and their telltale cameras.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hungarian-camerawoman-trips-refugees-1.3220051
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exTor
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hungarian-camerawoman-trips-refugees-1.3220051

Your CBC link does not function, Stevan, because it has some invisible data at the end of it. Mine will get through.

Great picture of that Jobbik scumbag Petra László tripping the refugee. This is amazing. Jobbik will have a hard time living this down. I absolutely love it. Great ammunition to use against the far right.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Member

On the Facebook they call her the “Jobbitch” …

spectator
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At least it appears witty.

Viktor Orbáns eternal sin is that he willingly and premeditatedly unleashed such hatred and let sentiments go berserk against just about everyone short of being white christian and right wing, preferably Fidesz supporter.

People feel authorised to such outrageous behaviour, because the “almighty leader” directly or indirectly approved it, so its not only allowed, but encouraged as well!
Frighteningly enough there are people who even openly support her and her kind!

Letting out the unpleasant ghosts of the past isn’t really hard task in Hungary (of all places!) but controlling them quite another matter.

If anyone want that at all, that is.

But then again, there is a rather plausible possibility, that the wave will wash over his head and lift the Jobbik to ruling position in no time.

Well, playing with fire has its downsides.

Member

I used the word cinematographer, the person is a videographer.

Chop
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I think Hende was sacked because of the chopper procurement and then the effective Fidesz PR machinery sold the story as one about egos. No, with Fidesz it’s always about the dough.

exTor
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http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/09/04/viktor-orbans-refugee-strategy/#comment-101105 … petofi post

http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/09/04/viktor-orbans-refugee-strategy/#comment-101172 … exTor comment

http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/09/07/viktor-orban-on-his-western-critics/#comment-101454 … petofi reaction

You sound somewhat beleaguered, petofi.

We had not heard from you in a while, so I decided to check you out when I saw your post listed first in the Recent Comments section. I was surprised to see that you had centered me out for specific mention.

“… your kneejerk political correctness is tiresome …”

Kneejerk? Some would consider that a pot-calling-the-kettle-black label, which makes it rather ironic. I do try to eschew correctoid posturing, petofi, however I suppose that I may come across that way sometimes.

Others called you out on your post [link #1], which I commented on [link #2] immediately, to which you belatedly reacted [link #3] four days later.

I haven’t really paid much attention to you textually, hence my uncertainty as to why you are feeling particularly aggrieved because of me, petofi.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Member

I thought it was for wolfi? Was it for you? I had a reply for wolfi’s quote under the previous post.

exTor
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Check link #3 [above] Some1. Petofi had addressed me.
Wolfi had not responded to petofi in the first instance.

MAGYARKOZÓ

petofi
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@ exTor

‘beleagured’…?

You bet.
Just returned from Canada, not with the airline (SkyGreece) I had left with–I’m a trusting schmuck–but with Air Austria, a dilapidated offspring of Lufthansa. Fun it was not.

I’ve been following the migrants/refugee offerings on and off. Am not impressed by the arguments in support of. First off, why do these ‘migrants’ reject going to a camp. Could the reason, perchance, be that they don’t wish to be questioned? I don’t know.

Also, why are these hapless people walking to central Europe. Wouldn’t they do better to be processed in, say, Turkey, and fly direct? Why provide a bonanza to people- smugglers on every border? Sounds like the cost of payoffs would be even more than plane tickets.

My skepticism is in agreement with Tappanch’s take on the subject.

spectator
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“First off, why do these ‘migrants’ reject going to a camp.”

One of the reasons could be that there is no camp! You certainly wouldn’t call that sorry crap-heap so in Debrecen, unsuitable to anything really, let alone for human housing!

“Wouldn’t they do better to be processed in, say, Turkey,..” – They don’t really intended to exchange one dictatorship for another, not even a semi- or soft version of it, like Turkey or Hungary. Honestly, I can’t blame them.

“..and fly direct?” – From where to where, exactly? Provided, they can somehow get on a plane, (Damascus?) how do you estimate their chances to leave any airport where they may have landed, without valid entry visas?
With proper papers they would be able to come like tourists, you see, even visit Felcsút at their leisure…
Oh well, they may never know what they have missed!

Otherwise scepticism is a healthy feeling, keep on with it!

Member

OT. Re.: Petra Laszlo. It is NOT Jobbik. It is the Hungarian government that allows and entices hatred on such level that a scumbag like this Petra feels that her actions will be applauded and celebrated. On a certain level I feel sorry for her. She became the scapegoat for both Jobbik and Fidesz. Jobbik now will say “You see, we not tolerate such behaviour” because they fired her.

exTor
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3226888/Hungarian-camerawoman-sacked-filmed-tripping-migrants.html#v-4471514064001

This Daily Mail link has many good refugee pictures, in addition to the now infamous pictures of Petra László, who (I would imagine) is now in hiding.

How long before that other Jobbik-loving scumbag, Zsolt Bayer, has her on his show to interview her about her frontline ‘heroics’?

MAGYARKOZÓ

Petrus
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Let me make it clear: Petra Laszlo will get a senior media job sooner or later. It may be Fidesz which will arrange that.

One of the most fundamental rules of the right-wing (the leftists cannot comprehend this) is that nobody, I repeat nobody is left behind. This is what ensures loyalty of the entire community and this is (ie. the lack of this principle) partly why leftists are always backstabbing, competing, infighting and leaking confidential info.

On the right-wing there is disciplined unity and that is based on the assumption that we are in this together and any and all mistakes will be forgiven if one is loyal.

She only did what was expected from her, you can’t seriously think that’s enough grounds for a real firing. She’s been loyal and she will get her reward.

She was fired only to placate those who expect political correctness but she will surely resurface in a month with a vengeance.

Mark my words.

Petrus
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To allow her fired permanently and to get her unemployed would mean that the right-wing would react to the liberals and leftists and would be influenced by politically correct pundits.

This is most assuredly not how the right-wing operates. They will never have allow, under any circumstances that liberals would be vindicated and satisfied. They cannot be allowed “to win” (look as though scored any political points).

Petra Laszlo has a great career ahead of her.

She will be even more loyal in her new place than without this incident.

Reality Check
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Member

@Petrus: Are you recommending that the democratic opposition imitate Fidik?

Gideon
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There’s no shame in imitating winners. Leftists have to learn from the winners though of course primitive emulation will get them nowhere.

Unity and discipline are key for any organization especially one potentially up against Fidesz/Jobbik and the left-wing sorely lacks both.

The leftists need to completely reinvent themselves if they ever hope to govern again. It seems that no such change is on the horizon, which means one sure thing: more Fidesz-Jobbik.

tappanch
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Open budget survey, 2015 shows how transparent the budget of a country is.

Can you find Hungary?
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p. 7.

http://internationalbudget.org/wp-content/uploads/OBS2015-Report-English.pdf

spectator
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Are they the ones between Ecuador and Kenya, you mean?
Place 21 on the yellow chart.
There is no EU member anyplace lower – just before you’ll throw away your glasses..

tappanch
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The government plans to withdraw the “police search” clause from the new emergency law, which makes it possible for police to search an apartment or house without search warrant.

http://www.atv.hu/belfold/20150909-menekultugy-varatlanul-visszakozott-a-kormany

kádár
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It will be voted in regardless. This is only a media ploy for the leftist voters watching ATV. The police should have that right according to Orban and the belügyes bunch so the police will have it.

Member

The Peacock Two-Step

Many thanks to Tappanch for the information that Orban has back-pedalled on the warrantless search clause of the forthcoming September 15 make-a-law.

It is of course the usual Orbanian peacock-dance: two steps forward, one step back. It’s the way he has steadily eroded all laws not to his liking, as well as press freedom, judicial independence, private property, free markets, etc. — all freely interlaced with bogus criminal charges and smear campaigns against opponents, pursued while they are needed to create a diversion, or for a hate-campaign, and then dropped much later with neither apology nor acknowledgement, once they’ve done their damage.

The next step is to sneak warrantless search back in again later, under another pretext, in another context, together with some other attention-getting outrage that Orban will then likewise obligingly mitigate (provisionally) while the warrantless search power slips through, eclipsed.

Orban likes to have the technical legislation on the books, so he can document how meticulously he sticks to the letter of the law (which he re-wrote yesterday), or cherry-picked here and there among the laws of other EU members.

kádár
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This isn’t representative by any means but I can report that in my estimation about 75% of my university educated colleagues living in Budapest hate the migrants and praise the “heroism of the police which only gets criticized all the time”. These colleagues want the migrants deported immediately and the border shut down completely. There isn’t any more sophisticated arguments which would at least implicitly acknowledge the complexity of the issues. No, migrants are dirty and bad, simple as that.

Orban will score big with his aggressive stance.

He will be stronger and more influential than ever.

Don’t forget he is elected in Hungary by Hungarian voters (lot of them voting from Romania, Serbia and Ukraine), not in Brussels by latte sipping bureaucrats.

Guest

The downside of this:
Hungary’s image abroad is as bad as never before – that scene with the camera woman is shown in all media.
If you connect this with the typical comments on politics.hu you have to think that Hungary is back to Horthy times – or even to the 19th Century …

Member

I am saying it for a long time that Hungarian university education shortly will have no value across the developed countries. We have an ex-Hungarian President who committed fraud and plagiarism to present himself for something he is not, we have Fidesz MPs who got one of those “by online” diplomas, Ministers who got their papers under questionable circumstances, a Prime Minister who did not work a day in his life. Now we have all these university “educated” Hungarians who no 0 about world affairs and their critical thinking is below the frog’s bottom, which makes you wonder about he quality of the education they received, if any.

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
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“!There isn’t any more sophisticated arguments which would at least implicitly acknowledge the complexity of the issues. No, migrants are dirty and bad, simple as that”

Well, if true that confirms two points. The ignorant idiots that the Hungarian university system is producing and the reason a fascist animal like Orban remains in power in that the vast majority of his support share not only his racism but also sadistic cruelty. S
Scum will continue voting for scum, I guess and I would seriously consider changing your friends to some higher up the evolutionary scale

kádár
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The colleagues are colleagues in the office where I work not friends. This was just my impression from the pre-meeting banter I hear day after day. Middle-class (in Hungary they probably qualify as upper class) office workers are conservative and lean toward Fidesz and Jobbik though Jobbik’s a bit ‘too street’ for many – yet. These are the well-known educated, suburban, SUV-driving people who care about their clean streets, white kindergartens and schools and who hate “leftliberals”. Why? Because this is what they learned at home. This is not a rational choice by any means, it’s culture. In the US they would be Tea Party supporters they university degrees notwithstanding. I would have thought the ratios are better, but not. The mute left-wing is in serious trouble it seems from my office.

Webber
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Do you work in a government office, in the office of an organization primarily supported by state funds, or in the office of a private company that gets lots of orders from the state or from state-run companies?

kádár
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Neither, you will be surprised to hear that we take pride in not getting any meaningful business from the state or Fidesz-affiliated businesses despite such obvious sympathies. And there hasn’t been any salary raises for over half a decade, no bonuses and so on. There’s no miracle here. Well to do middle class does still like Fidesz, like order, and white culture and hate “liberals”. This is not about rational choices and debating issues pro and con like liberals like to imagine it. In fact as someone said there’s a completely irrational obsession with rationality on the left side. People are humans and subject to their cultures among others. What I can safely conclude from my office experiences is that people from rural places (that is outside of Budapest which is 80% of the country) with middle-class backgrounds 9 times out of 10 are Fidesz supporters, conservative, ‘anti-communist’. For the rural elite (parents who are teachers, doctors, shop owners, engineers) hating the communists is an identity issue which they successfully transmitted to the next generation. These colleagues speak often two foreign languages fluently, travel abroad, consume including culture at Western middle class levels. They are just conservative and hate liberals,… Read more »
exTor
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/opinion/how-europes-other-half-lives.html?emc=edit_th_20150909&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=52537220

Noémi Szécsi’s acerbic piece on a certain measure of the current Budapest existence. She is an author [The Finno-Ugrian Vampire] living in Budapest. [an opinion piece in the New York Times]

I like her voice.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

I read the piece too. What caught my thoughts was her observation that Magyars were ‘ fighting for freedom and earning moral victory’. It’s a ‘religion’ that they are raised with bound up with ‘national identity’.

On that it’s no doubt that some in their ‘fight for freedom’ includes a taste for rock music and loving those minutes while bellowing out a ditty like ‘Der morgige Tag ist mein’. Nothing like a ‘Cabaret’ moment in Magyarorszag in 2015.

Ouch. What an oxymoronic specter of ‘freedom’ wafts in the air of the country. I’d think all depends on the ‘Michael Yorks’ who just watch and try to make sense of the song as it is being played. They just might have to make some decisions if the song gets on the government’s hit parade.

Webber
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In 2003 the new Minister of Defense Simicskó was the only member of Parliament to vote against joining the EU. Other odd things about him, notably his strange tax filings, can be found here:
http://index.hu/belfold/2015/09/09/simicsko_istvan_honvedelmi_miniszter_portre/

MusicLover
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Personally I don’t have a problem with Simicskó voting against the EU. At least he was being honest, whatever his reasons. What I do find harder to swallow is the rarely quoted fact that Orbán didn’t turn up for the vote. I remember being astonished at the time and yet it received almost no coverage (and this at a time when the media landscape was rather more varied than now)

bimbi
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I apologise for commenting off-topic, however the immigration question is still very much in the headlines. I saw the Guardian today had two front-page stories on how awful it thought Mr.Orban was!

I commend to readers the English-language blog in La Repubblica from Rome which today deals with the benefits, indeed in Europe today, the necessity of immigrants to keep the economy running:

http://the-view-from-rome.blogautore.repubblica.it/

For Italy at least while four workers support each Italian pensioner today by 2060 it is predicted that only two will be available (v. low birthrate). The situation must be as bad (if not bleaker) for Hungary which is already bleeding skilled young workers to other countries, whether within the EU or not.

Mr. Orban’s dreadfully narrow insistence on his own and his cronies self-enrichment coupled with his myopic nationalistic stance vis-a-vis the EU is likely to condemn Hungary to serious economic problems well before 2060. Indeed, if his first 5 years is anything to go by he is already in failure mode

“Hungary – the Economic Engine that will drive the EU out of recession” – VO,

sure Viktor and pigs have wings.

spectator
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“Hungary – the Economic Engine that will drive the EU out of recession” – VO

But sure he declared all this before Germany expressed their intention to put the migrants in good use – give them work!

Little Viktor missed a great opportunity to pick the already educated and skilful workers from the crowd of refugees, and let them earn their keep while raising the BNP by their products, taxing, and so on!

The living proof of the shortsighted and narrow-minded chauvinist with xenophobic flavour!

Congratulations!

Guest
Re: Ministry of Defense position.. The position looks to be an attention-getter one now. No doubt the government wants it bases covered with Mr. Simicsko in there. We never will get the chance to see how Mr. Hende would perform in his duties. But we will no doubt see how the new defense minister will manage the current chaotic border/security situation. For Orban then it would look like his selection can go in two ways. Either Mr. Simicsko will ‘succeed’ being a tough no-no sense fellow with the migrants. The migrants will learn at least one word of Magyar and it will be a blaring Vissza! Vissza! With the other he will perhaps see if he ‘promoted’ someone to their level of incompetence in handling a tenuous crisis. In any case I’d think somewhere down the line perhaps the current administration will rue their treatment of the refugees. I saw an interview of one who said that his children will know what happened as he trekked through Orban’s ‘welcoming’ land. Certainly not a good scene when it comes to passing things down through generations. I would agree Hungary was dealt a very unruly situation with thousands coming but to to… Read more »
tappanch
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Hungarian reportage from a camp for Syrians in Turkey:

“We are going away. […] It is impossible to live here any longer. Food is less and less. According to the new rules, it is more difficult to go out.[…] The circumstances have deteriorated in the last year. […] If we complain, [the Turks] lock us out.” , “Her husband returned from work outside the camp late once and the guards locked him out. They can meet only at the fence since then.”

http://index.hu/kulfold/2015/09/09/ezert_nem_jonnek_europaba_a_szir_menekultek/

tappanch
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tappanch
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“All trains entering Denmark from Germany were halted today (Wednesday) after police found hundreds of migrants on board.

A spokesperson for the Danish police said that about 100 refugees refused to disembark from a train because they did not want to be registered in Denmark. Many say that they want to reach Norway, Sweden, or Finland, where conditions for refugees are rumored to be better.”

Guest

German tv reported on this – many (most?) have relatives living already in Sweden, that’s why they want to go there.

spectator
Guest

And for Danmarks not too subtle anti-immigrant policies. They playing similar games with the Swedes as Viktor with Austria, albeit in much more civilised manner.

Member

http://koztunkelnek2.tumblr.com
It is in Hungarian “They live among us” is the title of this blog that provides screenshots and a tiny summary of the person who posted the relevant quote.

Nicu
Guest

It’s interesting to read occasionally Gabor Török the fidesz-leaning (though these days he advises Jobbik, Török tends to work with those with a potential to be in power, he used to advise MSZP and SZDSZ too) politologist (‘political scientist’ pundit) on his facebook page.

Török linked Marton Bede’s (of 444.hu) long, interesting and quite convincing article about why it’s a problem that the refugees leave Hungary. Gabor Török disagreed with Bede.

The comments on Törok’s page were almost exclusively against Bede and the refugees.

Tyrker
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Hehe, Török as “fidesz-leaning” – what a joke.

Dogon
Guest

What is he then? He surely is a Fidesz supporter and Jobbik apologist now. I hope you are not trying to say he is a leftist or a liberal.

Tyrker
Guest

“the previous Hungarian government’s antisemitism, extraterritorial claims against its neighbors”

Wondering which “previous Hungarian government” that “senior figure” might have talked about. Sztóyay’s? Or Szálasi’s? Because no Hungarian government, Communist or democratic, that was formed after the second world war has had any extraterritorial claims against its neghbours.

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