The Hungarian army will soon receive its marching orders

It looks as if the Orbán government will introduce a state of emergency on September 15, when a new era will begin, at least according to Viktor Orbán.

I wouldn’t venture to predict what exactly that state of emergency will entail because the Hungarian government doesn’t seem to be in control of the situation. A decision that was made yesterday is often scrapped today.

The idea of having transit zones on Hungarian territory that are open toward Serbia but impassable toward Hungary was considered to be a capital idea. The great legal wizard of Fidesz, Gergely Gulyás, in a lengthy interview assured the public that this plan couldn’t possibly be challenged by the present laws of the European Union. But then someone with more legal acumen came to the conclusion that since these transit zones will be built on Hungarian soil, they cannot be considered extraterritorial areas as another great legal expert, László Trócsányi, the minister of justice, claimed.

The picture that is emerging of Viktor Orbán not just in Hungary but in the world

He brought shame to the country: The failed immigration policy of Viktor Orbán

So, no more transit zones, only the fence where the thousands who arrive every day will be stopped by Hungarian police and, from September 15 on, by the Hungarian army. The refugees will, I guess, ask for asylum across the fence. The Hungarian authorities will then decline their requests within three days. There will be no exceptions because none of those who are trying to enter Hungary from Serbia are considered to be refugees. Serbia is, according to the Hungarian government, a safe country that could provide them asylum. There is no need for them to cross into Hungary. The whole thing will be a charade. The scenes the world can watch online of Hungarian police chasing refugees around the refugee camp don’t bode well for the future. But the government hopes that the army’s presence will achieve miracles.

And that brings me back to the sudden resignation of Csaba Hende, who had served as minister of defense since 2010. In the past he was often the butt of jokes because of his less than military physique and his lack of knowledge about military matters in general. His critics considered him incompetent. They were certain that he would not be reappointed when Viktor Orbán formed his third government last year. But Hende remained in his post. Orbán couldn’t have been that dissatisfied with him. But then why the decision to resign? It happened right after a meeting of the ministers directly involved with national security issues.

There are at least three stories circulating in Budapest about the circumstances of Hende’s resignation. The first is that Viktor Orbán fired him because the fence that was supposed to keep the refugees out of the country was not ready by August 15. The second story goes something like this: during the meeting Hende received a lot of criticism of his handling of the crisis and, after a heated debate, Hende decided that he had had enough. The third explanation is that Hende, being a lawyer by training, objected to the use of the army for domestic purposes without amending the Hungarian constitution. In addition, his generals also objected to the government’s plans. Hence, the resignation. My hunch is that there is a kernel of truth in all three versions.

So now Hungary has a new minister of defense, István Simicskó, whose encounter with Celeste A. Wallander, currently special assistant to President Obama and senior director for Russia and Eurasia on the National Security Council, I recalled two days ago.

Simicskó, I’m sure, feels on top of the world at the moment. I don’t know how long he has been dreaming about this job, but at least since 2002. In 2010 he was sure that his dream would be fulfilled, but then he ended up as the second man under Csaba Hende. The two of them didn’t get along, and after two years Simicskó resigned and became undersecretary in charge of sports in the ministry of human resources. He is an avid practitioner of martial arts.

In Simicskó Hungary will have a minister of defense who is very taken with the military. Although his college degree was in hotel management, he subsequently got a degree in economics and finally a Ph.D. in military science. So, he seems well prepared for the job, at least on paper.

There are, however, a couple of things in his bio that should give us pause. Simicskó was the only member of parliament of the 365 present who voted against Hungary’s joining the European Union. Mind you, Viktor Orbán simply didn’t show up that day.

For years Simicskó has been a dogged promoter of a Hungarian equivalent of the U.S. National Guard. Originally, he proposed calling it “Magyar Gárda,” but that name was subsequently taken by Jobbik’s paramilitary organization, which was eventually banned. In 2004, after compulsory military service was abolished, he campaigned for summer military training for eighteen-year-old boys. In 2007 he changed the name of his proposed organization to Honi Gárda (Home Guard), which he wanted to employ in the fight against terrorism. It is possible that now, as minister of defense, Simicskó will be able to achieve his goal.

Last year journalists noted that not all was well with the figures in Simicskó’s financial statements. According to journalists who pay attention to such matters, among Hungarian politicians Simicskó is the sloppiest. When they inquired from him about the discrepancies, he was rude. He accused them of besmearching his good name and of taking instructions from above–that is, from politicians of the opposition.

Simicskó was also accused of buying votes by distributing 10 kg sacks of inexpensive potatoes. And he was caught handing out orange-colored gym socks with bars of chocolate in them. All in all, he is considered by many to be a shady character.

His work is cut out for him. One just hopes that no tragedy will befall the frustrated asylum seekers at the hands of the armed military.

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VIDEO:
A nácik jobban bántak a zsidókkal, mint a magyarok Röszkén a migránsokkal. Ételt dobálnak a magyar tábori őrök az összesereglett éhezők közé, talán várják, hogy legyen köztük egy jó verekedés, amin elszórakozhatnak. Ez a magyar kultúra!

Tyrker
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In the name of the millions annihilated by the Nazis – shame on you, GyB Jr., for the comparison!

Fight against racism
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Yes Tyrker, I’ve seen this “gybognarjr” nick name on the internet many times, He is anti semite. That’s why he compared it to the holocaust.

chris1055
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Where the heck is the UN who are adept at handling hungry crowds? These guards are not trained. Secondly, what is happening is shameful.

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The red cross supposedly set up shop in Budapest a couple of months ago, they surely could be helping distribute food and keep order in the camp. I don’t think Fidesz wants that though.

Webber
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The Red Cross has had a (small) distribution center in Budapest for quite a long time. It is near the Arany Janos metro stop. Perhaps they’ve opened something larger? Maybe they are opening a Red Crescent office, too?

erdős
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The Hungarian Red Cross was full of questionable transactions (some may call that corruption) although the matters were somehow ‘solved’ in house, but the Baptists are under formal investigation. Don’t hold out too much hope when it comes to these organizations.

Webber
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The UN only sends in help when asked to do so by the government of the country where it is needed, or if instructed to do so by the Security Council.
Do you think it likely that Orban will ask the UN for help?

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I think Orban wants to ensure as much chaos as possible to create a situation that will excuse his actions against the refugees. Orban will ask for help ONLY in monetary form, that I am sure about. Otherwise, he will claim that there was no help offered. He will play a manipulative game I’m sure. In the end he will claim it all was a translation error.

Mirza
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To be fair, UNHCR Hungary asked to intervene but the government declined.

tappanch
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According to “a report in the Lebanese newspaper Al Diyar, Saudi Arabia would build “200 new mosques in Germany for the new immigrants.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-offers-germany-200-mosques–one-for-every-100-refugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

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@tappanch
September 10, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Yeah, plus no doubt similar numbers of Wahhabi and Salafist madrassas to train the next generation of jihadists in grateful retribution for German kindness and generosity.

Yecch.

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@tappanch
September 10, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Meantime no Syrian refugees, none!!!, of any Moslem (not to speak of Christian or other) cult are accepted by Saudi Arabia – and neither is super-wealthy Saudi Arabia willing even to contribute any kind of substantial financial resources towards their costs of resettlement in Europe and elsewhere – even if those unfortunates were willing to settle in that blighted, bigoted and benighted sponsor of worldwide terrorism and not least of the civil war itself in their own homeland.

Reality Check
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Not entirely true. They have accepted 500,000 Syrians as workers. They of course need to do more.

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@Reality Check
September 11, 2015 at 1:45 pm

500,000? Well, yes, assuming that the Saudis can be believed that this was their intake of Syrians from 2011. Presumably all of them being Sunnis, with not a one Moslem heretic, Christian dhimmi or plain unbeliever among them.

But this figure is essentially irrelevant, since these Syrians were taken to fill labour market shortages in Saudi over the past four years, and not as refugees deserving of humanitarian support, succour, resettlement and integration.

The fact remains that super-wealthy Saudi Arabia has not lifted a finger to help in the financial, humanitarian and resettlement resolution of the Syrian refugee crisis.

On the other hand, they are major sponsors of a number of factions in the Syrian civil war, and massive sponsors of jihadist violence and terror around the world. Plenty of money and resources for that, none for the refugees.

Funding 200 mosques in Germany however fits in very nicely with acceleration of the process of transforming Europe into Eurabia.

petofi
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Follow-up to Balint (6:50)

Qute so.
Isn’t it odd how the UN Secretary-General is totally missing from the scene?
Isn’t this the kind of debacle that he usually visits and occupies center stage?
Come to think of it, the US is unusually quite in this whole affair…

Now, let’s see…conspiracy, conspiracy…Ah, yes: neither the US nor Russia want
a strong EU. You boys and girls can take it from here-

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Orban sent a letter to MAZSAHISZ, the Hungarian Jewish organization on the occasion of the upcoming new year.
He tries to turn the Hungarian Jews against The Syrian refugees. I cannot believe it. The guy (Orban) who built a monument that lied about Hungary’s past regarding the holocaust, the guy who could care less about the Hungarian Jews in his poor Hungarian vision, sends a message that says:
“Now that in Europe it is becoming increasingly difficult to defend our borders, is particularly important that we strengthen our cohesion and our common core.”

I can only hope MAZSAHISZ will not bite and they open their doors to refugees.

http://www.mazsihisz.hu/2015/09/10/orban-viktor-uzenete-a-magyarorszagi-zsido-kozossegnek,-a-zsido-ujev-alkalmabol-8107.html

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My speculation about the resignation of Csaba Hende.
After Sept 15, the soldiers will patrol the border and with the aggressive stand of the half-wit nazi dictator, the felcsuti viktor, there could be some deadly mistakes.
Csaba Hende understands the laws and the ramifications of Hungarians killing migrants illegaly.
He does not want to sit in a Hague jail waiting for his court date at the ICTY, for Serious Violations of International Humanitarian Law, so he resigned just in time. To me it makes perfect sense.

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I speculated the same!

Webber
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I’ll write it here too – Petra Laszlo has apologized:
http://mno.hu/belfold/megszolalt-a-rugdosodo-operator-laszlo-petra-1303854

Webber
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Or rather, she has said she’s sorry for what she did, and has tried to explain why she did something (twice!) that she would not normally do (in her view of herself).

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It would be interesting to know what is ‘true’ in Hungary. Her apology or the video showing the tripping and kicking? Same with feeding the refugees. What is ‘true’? Feeding them in an orderly manner or like throwing meat to dogs in cages? Both appear as being done in pictures.

I certainly will be very interested in the ‘laws’ army personnel will be under when they guard the border starting in a few days especially when it comes to using armed weapons. Here because of police using their weapons on unarmed civilians body cameras were suggested and in some areas will be used to video events. All apparently to get at the ‘truth’ of an event.

Maybe it will be the only way to find things out after they occur around the borders in Hungary as well. In our post-modern age it would seem it’s tough to get at the ‘truth’ anywhere. It would appear to be a ‘premium’ product right now.

adamski
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She’s a disgrace to the cause. I don’t know what they did to her, she’s much tougher than that. She certainly should’ve held out much longer against the liberal media.

Webber
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Which cause is that? How do you know how “tough” she is? (or was that just sarcasm – a joke? – about someone who kicked a child?) I bet you didn’t even know who she was a week ago. Anyway, she is being prosecuted now, you know.

Reality Check
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The cause of kicking kids! Adamski, you are a scum.

Webber
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Lovely. Prisoners are building the fence, and have been building it from the very beginning:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/10/us-europe-migrants-fence-idUSKCN0RA1VN20150910

tappanch
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The priest in the only Coptic church in Hungary does not know about 1000 new faithfuls.

http://nol.hu/belfold/meglepett-koptok-1562489

Orbanist minister Z Balog must have given away 1,000 Hungarian passports to his business connections, hidden among the 700,000+ “expedited” new passport holders who live mainly in Transylvania, Ukraine and Serbia.

The Hungarian passport can be used to travel to 141 countries without visa. (US & UK are the first with 147 countries), so it is the best Eastern European passport for this purpose.

The least valuable passports are the Sao Tomanian [ 🙂 Chaplin], Palestinian, Solomon Islander, Burmese and South Sudanese. You can travel with them to 28 countries only visa-free.

http://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php

tappanch
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Keyword: election fraud

The latest news I found about the “egyszerűsített honosítás” (expedited citizenship) is dated February 25, 2015. Did anyone see more recent numbers?

710,000 applicants
670,000 swore in

New citizens:

Romania: 66%
Serbia: 17%
Ukraine: 14%
all others: 3%

tappanch
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Between January 1 and June 30, 66,788 people asked for asylum in Hungary.

Country of origin:

Kosovo: 35.81%
Afghanistan: 26.81%
Syria: 16.43%
Iraq: 4.9%
Pakistan: 4.85%

In the same period:

refugee status granted: 73, including 8 Syrians
protected status granted: 164, including 63 Syrians
rejected: 1,737
pending: 24,431
procedure cancelled: 54,546

tappanch
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January 1 through July 31, 2015.

Asylum requests in Hungary: 102,342

Afghanistan: 28.6%
Syria: 28.1%
Kosovo: 22.7%

Asylum requests in Greece, arriving from Turkey: 132,240

Syria: 59.1%
Afghanistan: 24.6%
Pakistan: 5.0%

Asylum seekers in Italy: 91,302

Eritrea: 26.2%
Nigeria: 11.8%
Unspecified sub-Saharan Africans: 10.7%

tappanch
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Therefore the number of asylum seekers in Hungary in July: 35,554

Syrian: 50.0%
Afghan: 31.9%
all others: 18.1%

tappanch
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For the first time, police did not disclose the number of children among the “captured” migrants in Csongrad county.

The overall number hit a new record yesterday , September 10, with 3601 interceptions.

tappanch
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Why do Syrian refugees decide to leave Turkey for Europe now?

Short answer: Turkish government made it more difficult for them.

reportage from Turkey
part 2

http://index.hu/kulfold/2015/09/11/nem_erti_miert_jonnek_hozzank_a_menekultek_a_szirek_elmagyarazzak/

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You know I’d be curious if Mr. Lavrov had a chat with the Hungarian foreign ministry on their announced military ‘visit’ (which is to be extended) to Syria recently. Just wondering if the Syrian refugee uptick and the Russian moves into that land of the desperate are related. I’m not too sure the Syrians think it will be helpful.
But rather more exacerbation of the conflict toward them.

Not sure how the Syrians would have reacted if the US said they were coming in but I’d suggest when the Syrians heard the Russians were all hell broke loose. I’d think the Syrians aren’t naive. They know that usually wherever Russians go people who live in or near their sights sometimes have to run for their lives….that is unless you’re ‘Russian’. So at this time I’d say Vladimir has given a headache to his pal. But VO will probably keep his mouth shut.

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And just one final thing on the Russian ‘visit’.

Ten to one there’s probably a Middle East archaeologist alongside the soldiers. With all those artifacts just sitting around and ripe for pickings how could they refuse to take up that compelling situation. ISIS looters now will have a nice Russian connection easing their lucrative business.

And I’d think Vlad enjoys the Elgin Marbles he’s had on loan from Britain. But the irony if you think about it!

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Eva: ” In addition, his generals also objected to the government’s plans.”

The generals could have two reasons for that:
1. They told how much it would cost, and they didn’t get the money.
2. They do not want to be dishonored by fighting unarmed civilians.

I hope it is point 2.

tappanch
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Here is another explanation.

Mr Hende was in good terms with Ms Kounalakis, the former US ambassador.

September 6: NYT published her article: “Hungary’s Xenophobic Response”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/opinion/hungarys-xenophobic-response.html

September 7: Orban fired Hende.

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Let’s wait until the war between Serbia and Hungary ends….

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@Hrossagaukur
September 11, 2015 at 6:55 am

Like the first loudly cheered Hungarian campaign against Serbia in WW1, when the Serbs had well and truly whacked the Hungarians, who then ignominiously retreated with their tails between their hind legs?

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What to say?

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@Mike Balint
Plase learn more about the Serbian front of WW1. Serbian army quickly collapsed in nobember 1915, the Serbian army was transported to island of Corfu by the Entente fleet. The Army of Serbia returned to the territory of Serbia after the WW1.

A-H army had no numerical superiority in the Serbian front, due to the pressure of Russian campaign. Read about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Campaign_of_World_War_I

tappanch
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I do not want to monopolize this blog, but index.hu observed two important & OUTRAGEOUS things about the new emergency laws effective in 4 days.

1.
Children will be treated the same way as adults
(several hundred children arrived without either parent)

2.
Accused will not have the right for a translation of the charges
or the verdict.

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/09/11/migrans_birosag_gyorsitott_eljaras_btk_buncselekmeny_tolmacs_menekult_hatarzar/

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@tappanch September 11, 2015 at 6:57 am The children you mention, are they little children or is the reference to unaccompanied minors in their mid- to late-teens? When I myself was a refugee as a fourteen year old unaccompanied minor in 1956, the Austrian, Italian and Australian authorities have most certainly treated me as an adult, and all of them did so very decently too, and with a great deal of kindness. So if this is about unaccompanied minors in their mid- to late-teens, I don’t really see their being treated as adults a real problem, as long as their treatment is decent, kind and humane. But that is where there would probably be a huge problem on the Hungarian side. I concur however that not having the right to the translation of the charges or the verdict is indeed absolutely outrageous. I suspect the reason being that the Hungarians simply do not have sufficient translators and interpreters in the languages spoken by the vast numbers of arrivals that would enable them to meet the time frame within which they are trying to complete the processing. However, this does not excuse the Hungarians, who should be properly apologetic and contrite… Read more »
D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
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The reason Orbán’s thugs have been give a free hand to carry out widespread human rights abuse at Hungary’s Abu Ghraib (Röszke) is that media from the free world have been banned.

The nazi dictator will not have that luxury next week because when the world’s media descend on the border. Furthermore, I am sure professional soldiers will not shoot or beat innocent and children, despite the wishes of the cruel sadistic animal who ultimately controls them.

What then for the fascist regime’s cunning plan?

Webber
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I hope you are right. But I am certain that there are not a few neo-nazis among Hungary’s armed forces, just as there are many in the police forces. They like uniforms.

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@D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat) September 11, 2015 at 7:14 am I think the situation is bad enough without resorting to hysterical exaggerations. If the media from the free world had been banned from Hungary’s Abu Ghraib (sic!), how come that the bread-throwing incident nevertheless slipped through the supposedly “iron screen” of Hungarian censorship? And let’s not exaggerate: I have so far not heard of any waterboarding or any other Abu Ghraib-type systematic and long term torturing of inmates at Röszke. And how come that videos and pictures of perfectly decent actions by Hungarian policemen are somehow missing from the media of the so-called free world? Such as the one of policemen distributing blankets in the Eastern railway terminal of Budapest, where a young Arab thug simply grabs a blanket away from an Arab child, but a kindly Hungarian policeman takes it out of the thug’s hands, gives it back to the child and warns the thug off. I also think that the supposed human rights abuses by the Hungarian police are mostly inadvertent and not at all widespread. The police involved are mostly dead tired, exhausted country boys, who haven’t a clue what to do and how to behave with crowds… Read more »
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Mike, please be careful …
“bus full of men in Hungary who categorically refused to allow any women to board”
If you replace Hungary by Israel …
Do you really want religion to enter here?

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@wolfi
September 12, 2015 at 12:23 pm

Let me assure you that I have no more time for Israel’s colonialist, religious and religious nationalist nutters than for Hungary’s Christian Nationalist and National Socialist nutters, for politically correct bleeding heart liberal nutters, or for that matter for Arab traditionalist and Islamist/jihadist nutters.

In that way it might well be said that I am an equal opportunity despiser, who just holds his head in despair at the craziness of most human cultures around the world.

Webber
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Mike Balint – you asked:
“If the media from the free world had been banned from Hungary’s Abu Ghraib (sic!), how come that the bread-throwing incident nevertheless slipped through the supposedly “iron screen” of Hungarian censorship?”
Very simple – the media did not take the film. An Austrian delivering supplies to the camp did. She was shocked, and so filmed it. The media was not there.
Otherwise, I agree. Calling Orban a Nazi just blows what he has done all out of proportion, while simultaneously underplaying, indeed diminishing the horror of Nazism.

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@Webber
September 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm

Thank you for clarifying this.

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Does annyone know if Viktor had any toy soldiers during his hard childhood?

spectator
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He was the one, still is!
Keep on ever since being just that!

petofi
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re: Viktor and toy soldiers

As the saying goes, “Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once is a while.”

It’s saddening that legitimate questions about this whole migrant/refugee thing
should be muddied by the grasping, opportunistic fingers of the Viktor-king. The lightning-rod of Vicky is hindering a calm assessment of what’s really going on.

Where is the UN?
Why is Turkey/Greece seemingly acting in consort to aid/abet the movement of the ‘refugees’?

And to fellow bloggers:
Why is everyone kicking the EU around like an aging piece of lettuce?

gyogyitgathatnank
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Petofi, can we think together?

Why is it difficult to see the hands of the Russian and Iranian regimes in the civil wars, and in the refugee crisis?

The Hungarian regime is their ally.

Misinformation champions and terrorists are plotting day and night about damaging the West.

Genocides are not too pricey for the R–I-H alliance.

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The freight wagons in Bicske lead me to consider if Finkelstein felt that he had to take double vengeance for Holocaust. (one for gays and another for Jewish people).

István
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If the resignation of Csaba Hende is based on the idea that he might face prosecution by an international court if Hungarian troops were to open fire on refugees then he is pathetic. If he has no confidence that Hungarian troops can’t control their use of lethal force in crowd control situations then he bares responsibility for that to high degree. The idea being expressed repeatedly on this blog that there is an international prohibition on the use of military forces for domestic civil disturbances has no basis in law or fact. It is clear that the concept of the use of excessive force against peaceful unarmed people protesting their treatment can result in criminal charges whether it is done by domestic police forces or military forces. For example UN peacekeepers in Mali used “unauthorized and excessive force” when they fired at civilians protesting outside their base in January 2015 by a UN investigation, but none have been prosecuted by any international body. The UN actually has a document on the different roles of international police and military peace keepers http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/sites/police/documents/Policy.pdf The idea that military forces, including Hungarian forces, are incapable of showing restraint in the situation of unarmed disturbances… Read more »
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Re:’ The military in the current situation simply has to implement orders coming down from PM Orban, unless the ROE is clearly an invitation to mass murder of refugees, which I doubt it will be’

Istvan you are the military man. Can it be conceivable that ‘secret’ orders may be or have been discussed in the context of ROE against illegal border crossers today in Hungary, a democratic country? If so it is a dagger ripping at that ‘transparency’ when it comes to checks and balances between political and civil control of institutions within the nation. Let’s take a few more points off the democratic index nums there if that can be the case.

And OT in a way but not altogether I think. Today we’re 14 years on from i9/11 here in the States. Won’t get into it but I’d hope Ambassador Bell gets a card from her compadres from Buda-pesht noting their solidarity for the victims and their families and throwing their hats in the ring to keep fighting global terrorism which affects all of us. If sent already I thank them for backing the cause. If not please put a stamp on and send it.

Istvan
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Generally Rikard having secret orders that would exceed a written ROE would be insane for any contemporary military officer to agree to. Because criminal use of unjustifiable force would be legally based on the ROE and not the secret orders. For example in Vietnam in the few cases of war crimes trials it was claimed troops were given verbal orders that exceeded the ROEs, that defense generally failed because if the higher ranking officer did give such orders they denied it and the written ROE technically was violated by the verbal order. Under what is called the Nuremberg trials precedent military personnel have no legal defense in claims they were ordered to commit a war crime. Using Superior orders as a defense does not relieve officers from responsibility of carrying out illegal orders and their liability to be punished in court. This principle was codified in Principle IV of the Nuremberg Principles, and similar principles were found in sections of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If in the situation Hungarian armed forces are faced with at the Serbian border troops are ordered to fire on unarmed refugees in a situation where their lives are not in immediate danger they… Read more »
Webber
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I have now heard Lazar (yesterday) and Orban (today) essentially singing this tune:

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Very good Webber… what an old-timey Magyar oldal! Very ‘csardasy’…;-)…

I should get a copy for my collection. Will go next to ‘Music to Entertain the Kings of Hungary!’

Terka
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It may be just me but it seems to me that elderly jews (after Imre Kertész now liberal stalwart György Konrád too) are quite unhappy with potentially muslim refugees and positively like the walls erected by Israel, the US and Australia (in that case not walls but Australian islands were designated as no man’s land, effectively creating legal black holes contrary to every rule of law principle taught in law schools).

I think their irrational (?) fear of muslims is similar to the fear of voters of Jobbik in rural regions. People are just terrified that their history, their world will disappear. And there is a similar implied fear felt by these jews that just like every gipsy is a potential criminal, every muslim is a potential terrorist wielding a nuclear device bent on making Israel or secular (Judeo-Christian) Europe disappear from the map.

And isn’t this similar to effect of the Herder prophecy saying that Hungarians will disappear in the sea of Slavic people?

spectator
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”..Herder prophecy saying that Hungarians will disappear in the sea of Slavic people?”

You don’t happen to have the the date of that event, have you..?
Wouldn’t be too fa, seems that the government started the preparations already!
It must be the true reason why they fencing up the border, but it must be keep secret, you se..!

Roi
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Herder’s prophecy was extremely influential, and a number of important Hungarian politicians and artists in those days were literally terrified by the idea that that Hungarians could disappear soon just when the Hungarian nation as such was emerging. It may or may not have been rational to be terrified of the prophecy, but I guess there may be a similar fear at play here ie white Hungarian culture disappearing in the sea of illiterate nomadic gipsies or European enlightment culture in the sea of pious Muslims loyal to their prophets not to any secular state authority. And these fears are beyond the fear of the stereotyped Muslim ‘terrorist’ which is the potentiality in every Muslim, just as every gipsy is potentially a criminal (thief, murderer) – according to such people.

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spectator
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Heavy-Duty bolt cutters: from $8.64

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/bolt-cutters

csokk
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And the coup de grace of the already irrelevant Hungarian leftwing is coming:

A new round of utility rate cuts, the famous rezsicsökkentés is under preparation.

spectator
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Thank goodness!

I worried myself silly what amount of money poor Szjjártó parents needed to lend again to their beloved son, now as he moved into that pretty awful but awfully big house…

But now I can stop holding my breath!

Oh, thank you Viktor!

photon
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The consensus among “smart” young political observers (not fideszniks, mind you) is that 2018 is now a slam dunk.

Orban is winning in Hungary and he is winning in Europe, doing what mainstream politicians would love to do but don’t dare to do (remember Merkel: “Multiculturalism didn’t work”.)

He emerged as a leader of the nation who is fighting the latte liberal Brusselites to defend the white nation. It’s not an easy job, but he is a fighter and voters love that.

The opposition is over, less than irrelevant as the leftists would have given up Hungary to Arabs and voters feel that down in their guts.

http://socialdance.tumblr.com/post/128701474841/hossz%C3%BA-t%C3%A1von-k%C3%A9ptelens%C3%A9g-meg%C3%BAszni-azt-a-rombol%C3%A1st#notes

Webber
Guest

Спасибо Товариш! I feel like breaking into song! Tell us, is it true what they say? That the филке-форрадалом and the turn to the восток will some day bring us free electricity and gas?!!
Altogether now! To the tune of Orban Tse-Tung

bio-pon-mat
Guest
My take is that among the younger generation, let’s say those under 40, who came of age after 1990 and have scant memories of the 80’s, late communism, there is a total obsession with (A) perceived coolness (politicians who seem uncool to others are dropped like a hot potato and nobody is less cool than the MSZP and its friends) and (B) ‘winning’ as part of a contest. It’s like the last important remaining thing for the people is a quasi-football match and everything is just a match, a contest. This excitement of the spectacle of the modern gladiators what remains of politics and democracy. It’s there in the reality show contests between two participants who gets voted out, naturally between politicians or Eurovision song contestants which only lately became such an important phenomenon. From politics, public affairs this is what remains: the death match between celebrities, as in a way all politicians are celebrities, famous for being famous given their incompetence and corruption. Politics is seen by this generation as a no holds barred contest where it doesn’t matter how corrupt you are (politics is always corrupt, if you pretend otherwise you are a loser), you must win. Winners… Read more »
Webber
Guest

Yes, youth are excited! Here, for instance, you can see scenes from one of Orban’s youth rallies, the reception afterward at the Sandor Palota, and finally a shot of how young Fideszites are kept in top condition! It’s all very exciting!

monyo
Guest

Look, according to various polls Stalin is the most popular politician, leader in the history of Russia, certainly of the 20th century. You can lough at this but he is popular and Russian people long for those days (admittedly those tens of millions who were murdered cannot participate in the polls). The point being tyrants can be popular especially when compared to peers (Stalin to Lenin, Breznev, Gorbatchov etc.). Orban is always compared to his competition which as of this day is still Gyurcsany or that faceless MSZP leader and compared to them Orban comes out as the winner. Henry Kissinger once said that power is the best aphrodisiac (ie, not for him but for the ladies). Voters admire power and detest impotence. Too bad for the clueless leftists.

Webber
Guest

Comrade! Monyo! Your love and devotion will not be forgotten! We have composed this tune for you!

Webber
Guest

Monyo! Bio-pon-mat! The Central Committee appreciates your great and true understanding of the abiding love youth have for The Party. In your admirable formulation – Fidesz is cool. The Party now commands you to apply your superior understanding of youth to help the Motherland keep a very few, indeed wholly insignificant numbers of deeply misguided youth from considering leaving the country. As you know, a fence on the southern border is being put in place, in accordance with the directives of our wise (and cool!) leader. Would you recommend a fence to the West? Perhaps one decorated, every 50 meters or so, with pictures of our great leader, to remind those very few temporarily misguided youth who might, in a moment of extreme folly, ruin their lives by travelling West, and abandoning the loving care of The Party, the Motherland, and the Nation which The Party in every way embodies?

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
Guest

Well done Orbán, another lump of shame you have dumped on youir country. While Fidesz/Jobbik voters will be yelping with deliight at this kind of PR anyone with a shred of decency will be praying for the day you and your thugs get your just reward for crimes against innocent women and children:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34216883

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
Guest

Zoltan Balog defends the human rights abuses at Rözske:

“Zoltán Kovács, a spokesman for the Hungarian government, said the police in the footage were attempting to maintain order in trying circumstances.”

Member

How about 8 tables with food packages, and asking people to line up? I ask not a penny for my inventive idea. It is all free for Balog. He earns the big money but I volunteer this idea.

spectator
Guest

“..attempting to maintain order..”

With exceptional success rate!
Hungary perform better!

You see, they threw the food in numeral order, (like the number one came first, number two as second, and so on) to the people in alphabetic order… First to Ali, then to Baba…

What a goddamn shameless hypocrite scum!

Guest

@spectator
September 11, 2015 at 3:04 pm

May I point out that Hungarians have only ever been truly efficient once in their history, from April to July 1944.

it appears that they can only ever be truly efficient when motivated by implacable hate.

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
Guest

OK, I know for a fact this blog is read by many in the diplomatic community in Budapest and also, I guess, folk in the wider EU and UN and also many journalists covering this crisis. That being the case, I am going to be more temperate than usual when issuing this plea.

Please, please, please, in the name of humanity do all that you can to gain access to the Röszke detention centre.

You have seen last night and today on to the BBC, CBS, Reuters a tip of the iceberg of the human rights abuses which are being reported as being committed there by the forces of the Hungarian government.

Most of you know the nature of the Orbán government as well as I do and you know as well as I do he would see no moral problem in denying pregnant women and children basic human requirements.

Do not stand by and permit him to do so- DEMAND the right to check what is taking place there.

Thanks from a deeply concerned Hungarian citizen.

B
Guest
Sure, we’ll try to do that D7, of course this is a very important issue. The future of Europe is at stake if I’m not mistaken. As well as the human rights of those unfortunate people from the Middle-East. Terrible, terrible developments. However, you will be pleased to know that French Prime Minister Manuel Valls already promised to launch air strikes in Syria to solve the migrant crisis which sounds like a sensible plan to me. After all, from time to time one must wage war to defend piece, or something like that. Having said that, there are a few things I need to attend to first as I’m sure you will understand. First of all I will drink my half and half double venti latte capuccino with cinnamon dolce topping, no whipped cream. Then I think I have an appointment to attend the press conference of the inaugural European Sports Week, a quite splendid initiative if I may say so. After that I’ll have a lunch appointment at the Comme chez soi with a dear friend from the Commission. Then there’s an appointment I certainly can’t cancel which is the monthly sub-committee meeting of the European Organic Cheese Producers… Read more »
D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
Guest

Paragraphs would have been nice here and there, as well as a curb on the cynicism.

If you have a more positive suggestion than mine how we can save the pregnant women and children presently at risk from Orbán’s thugs, then, be my guest, please fire away

Tamas
Guest

Good article but:

“They all had one aim: to get rid of the Communists.”

Only if, they wanted to be rich and powerful and that’s what they did.

https://theintercept.com/2015/09/11/how-hungary-prime-minister-turned-into-refugee-bashing-autocrat/

spectator
Guest

“They all had one aim: to get rid of the Communists.”

Obviously not from all of them – quite a number of them only get a new paint job: from “red” to “orange” in a heartbeat.

None of their working parts changed, mind you, and still running as ever..!

Guest

I’m surprised that Adam leBor writes such a scathing article on Orbán – he even mentions the corruption of the Fidesz “minigarchs” (really like that word …).
Worth reading – Fidesz in a nutshell …

Webber
Guest

🙂
Wolfi, you’re not the only one who is surprised. Lebor has spent the past five years explaining to the West why Orban isn’t really such a bad guy, and how misunderstood he is and Fidesz are.

Majka
Guest

Lebor is quoting Nézőpont which is a pure Fidesz propaganda entity / money laundering operation. It’s even more partizan than Századvég and one would’ve thought that’s just impossible. Although its latest polls may reflect more or less the reality (Fidesz and Jobbik are the most popular) I’m not sure Glenn (or Tyler) would approve of this sloppiness.

tappanch
Guest

Here is an interesting article about a possible Hungarian master plan to comply with Dublin III and get rid of the migrants at the same time.

Using the new laws, Hungarian courts will convict, very quickly, everybody who gets through the shoddy fence after September 15. Hungary does not have jail place for these thousands. But Hungary does not have to accept convicted people as asylum applicants, they will be free to leave for Germany quickly, and cannot be sent back by Dublin III.

http://444.hu/2015/09/11/a-kormany-terve-ellenere-szeptember-15-utan-is-atjarohaz-lesz-magyarorszag-a-migransok-szamara/

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