THE ORIGINS OF THE REFUGEE CRISIS ACCORDING TO VIKTOR ORBÁN. PART II

Yesterday, in the first of my two-part series on Viktor Orbán’s speech in Kötcse, where Fidesz bigwigs hold a so-called picnic, I concentrated on Viktor Orbán’s ideas about the origins of the refugee crisis. I think we can safely call these ideas fanciful and without foundation. Here I will analyze another theme: the crisis and possible death of liberalism.

A year ago at Tusnádfürdő/Baile Tusnad, Viktor Orbán delivered a speech that caused worldwide consternation. In his speech he rejected democracy as we understand it and championed the cause of “illiberal democracy,” an autocratic form of government in which, although there are free elections, citizens lack civil liberties. The speech created quite a storm and Orbán’s men tried to explain his words away with little success. From there on, he was not too eager to talk about the end of liberal democracy. It seems, however, that his “successes” in his fight against the Islamic invasion have emboldened him and that he is now ready to return to his vision of the new world that will be created as a result of the migration crisis. Viktor Orbán now sees himself as the leader of a new Christian, national era that will follow “the age of liberal blah blah.”

In his view, with the refugee crisis came “the crisis of liberal identity.” What is the connection between the two? I will try to put it more elegantly than Viktor Orbán did. Liberal ideals, among them the right to freedom of movement and universal human rights, brought on this catastrophe, which proves that the continuation of these policies is no longer possible. Right now Europe is rich but weak, which is “the most dangerous combination that can exist.” Liberalism is responsible for Europe’s weakness. And soon enough its riches will be taken away by the less fortunate. If Europe wants to defend itself, it must get rid of its liberal political philosophy.

As things stand now, even conservative politicians are liberals because of the pressure of the media, which is in liberal hands. This liberal tyranny in Europe is so strong that even talking about a turn away from liberalism is dangerous. Only in Hungary can one speak honestly, “where we can sit here and talk about these questions.” Nowhere else in Europe could that happen. One couldn’t call together such a meeting in Germany “because there one cannot say such things.” Even in Poland it would be risky.

Liberalism has been undermining the very foundations of European security, and the refugee crisis made the bankruptcy of liberalism crystal clear. Orbán further elaborated on this theme today in his regular Friday morning interview on Magyar Rádió. He called western liberalism “suicidal” and said it will lead to a decline in living standards. Thus, while a year ago he tried to hide his antagonism to liberalism, now Orbán has come out and openly attacked it as the cause of the “migrant invasion.” Obviously, he thinks that foreign public opinion will be more receptive to his anti-liberal talk given the pressures of the refugee crisis.

In the eyes of the United States and its supporters

there is righteousness and there is evil that should be conquered. But at the end, it always turns out that behind it all there is something else: money, oil, raw materials. When they bombed Iraq or for that matter Syria into smithereens their action was anything but beneficial. Yet they demand that the world acknowledge that they are benefactors who stand on the right side. This is the essence of liberal foreign policy.

Orbán is looking at the Euro-Atlantic alliance as an outsider even though Hungary is a member of NATO and therefore an ally of the United States. I really don’t understand how he can cooperate with an evil power like the United States and why he sent a contingent of Hungarian soldiers to Iraq only a couple of months ago. I also don’t understand why he allows American troops into the country because at this very moment there are joint military exercises taking place in Hungary. How long will he be able to play this game?

Orbán spent a considerable amount of time on his plans for Hungary’s future. He came up with four essential ingredients. The first is the necessity of defensible borders. As he put it, “a country that has no borders is not a country.” That means that Hungary will veto any attempt to strengthen geographical and political ties among member states.

The second is “the defense of ethnic and cultural composition,” not only of Hungary but also, he hopes, of Europe. Every nation has the right to decide whether they want to change or not. He seems to think that this is the most important component of his new Europe “because at the very end this is the battle that must be won.” This is a dangerous idea which could affect the free movement of citizens of the European Union’s member states. What if the United Kingdom decides that they want to defend the current ethnic composition of the country and no longer welcome Hungarian “economic immigrants”?

Third, Hungary must remain economically competitive because in these modern times even if you are right and “morally as close as possible to perfection, if you are not successful economically they will crush you.” Economic success, however, is not an end in and of itself. It is only a vehicle for the ultimate goal: national sovereignty.

And the last ingredient of illiberal Hungary is what he calls “everyday patriotism” (mindennapi patriótizmus), to which he immediately added: “Please, don’t misunderstand me.” What is the problem with everyday patriotism? After all, what he seems to mean by it is that Hungarians should give preference to Hungarian products and should discriminate in hiring practices in favor of Hungarians. Why apologize? Well, it is because most Hungarians remember the documentary film of Mikhail Romm called “Ordinary Fascism,” which for the most part took the form of annotated excerpts of archival material that show the rise and fall of fascism, especially in Nazi Germany. The film’s Hungarian title is “Hétköznapi fasizmus” (weekday fascism), in the sense of “ordinary.” Even he felt that the phrase needed some explanation. His everyday patriotism has nothing to do with Romm’s ordinary fascism.

Thousands marching toward Nagykanizsa, Zala County

Thousands marching toward Nagykanizsa, Zala County

Well, I’m afraid we’ll have to wait for the fulfillment of Viktor Orbán’s grand vision. At the moment, all hell has broken loose along the borders and Hungary has become completely isolated. Viktor, you’re doing a heck of a job! Unfortunately, unlike Michael Brown who resigned ten days after George W. Bush thus praised him for his utterly inadequate handling of the Katrina crisis, the Hungarian prime minister is seeing both his power and his domestic popularity increase.

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I do not think any article would be so timely as the article from USA Today, November, 2004, Wartime presidents: Bush has history on his side
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/wickham/2004-10-11-wickham_x.htm

An
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Looks like Orban thinks he is a modern day Julius Ceasar destined to save the crumbling and weak Republic (i.e. liberal Europe) that needs a strong leader to stand up to the barbarians…

Anyways, all this hatred of liberalism is coming from his desire to have unrestrained power. The rest is blah blah and justification. Dangerous blah blah, by the way, as it is fueling and preying on people’s insecurities and fears.

Paul
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A pretty accurate summary, An.

Eliezer
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“Liberalism” of today has stolen the word “liberty” – it is now complete totalitarism, that denies freedom of speech and soon will deny freedom of life in Europe that has given herself to the entire foreign culture. Why do not rich Arab countries accept the refugees?

It is easy to Ms. Balogh, sitting in the safety of the US, to profess ultra-left views and to try to impose them on her former fellow co-citizens.

Live long and prosper
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I find her views quite moderate. Perspective is everything.

Paul
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Éva is “ultra-left”? Only on Planet Cuckoo.

And what on earth is a “fellow co-citizen”??

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We’ve had the pleasure of Eliezer Rabinovich here before – the “brilliant” defender of Horthy:
http://hungarytoday.hu/news/dr-eliezer-m-rabinovich-anti-semite-miklos-horthy-saved-jews-budapest-part-71369
You know, Horthy who let his gendarmes deport only three quarters of Hungarian Jews …
In that article btw Eliezer uses “liberal” too …
And we know that he likes to falsify history!

Chris from Bulgaria
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Nazism is doomed to fail.
You are nothing but a neo-nazi. Never forget what had nazi ideology brought to the 3rd Reich – a totally destructed and occupied by western and eastern powers country 🙂 Are you sure that you like the same fade for Hungary? I hope that not, but wait a second, you probably believe that Hungary has greater than Hitler’s army and the so sincere friend in the face of the Putler’s RuSSia and it will kick some Western’s arse? Don’t hold your breath – RuSSia has record in cheating its partners if you remember the Molotov/RIbbentrop pact 🙂

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So, you are one of those people who walk by sick people on the street because it is someone else’s job to help them. Life is beautiful when there are so many others to blame isn’t it?
The person actually who denies freedom of speech is Orban. You should follow the press closely.
Oh, Eva ended up in an other country because of people like Orban has chased her away.
Also, you should really look up what the left views of the world are. You will be surprised between your Dear Leader’s view and the left.

Zorgas
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“Liberalism” and “liberty” have always been related. They come from the same root. Liberalism was and is a system that highlights that the power of government comes from free people, and that we as human beings have inalienable rights. An “illiberal” system would suggest that we should accept our place in the natural order of things… that our rulers receive their authority by virtue of their birth or by a divine authority. In this “illiberal” system, we are not free to change it, and certainly have no claim to human rights superseding those that the state, in its benevolence, might deign to bestow upon us.

It’s not that “Liberalism” has stolen “liberty,” but rather that some are trying to obscure the genuine connection.

When someone rants and rails against “Liberalism,” they might as well be railing against liberty, freedom and human rights.

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@Zorgas September 18, 2015 at 9:58 pm As I understand it, “liberalism” in American parlance (or “left-liberalism” in today’s European parlance) is a hundred or so years old construct by Fabian Socialist American sociologists and others from among the then left-wing intellectual elite of America in response to the utter unwillingness on the part of the vast majority of ordinary Americans to embrace European notions, terminology and practice of socialism. There was at that time a tremendous sense of urgency among the anglophone intellectual elite on both sides of the Atlantic to pare back the excesses of liberty and the concomitant dearth of equality and solidarity in the capitalist system as it was practiced in those days. (A similar process is of course under way today following the GFC.) “Liberalism” as a term was relatively easy to slip into American political discourse whilst simultaneously turning the meaning of classical liberalism on its head, because whilst connoting the liberty-orientation of classical liberalism, it was actually an intellectual Trojan Horse introducing equality- and solidarity-oriented socialism into American political theory and practice by simply using another moniker more palatable for the American public. In America today “liberalism” essentially means much the same as… Read more »
Zorgas
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@Mike Balint, Thank you for this thoughtful response. Clearly there are different perspectives with regard to what is meant by “liberalism” and its usage has changed over time, whether linked to political parties or leftist movements. But, this ambiguity in usage and multiple connotations are also what makes it easy to use the term “liberal” an unspoken negative implication and twist its definition on its head. I’m drawing on use of “liberal” in its classical sense as a component of “liberal democracy,” in particular since Prime Minister Orban seems to be attacking the concept of “liberal democracy.” And this use of “liberal” goes back much further than the late 19th century challenge of Fabian Socialists. While the concepts underpinning liberalism were being set out in the 17th century by philosophers like John Locke, the term “liberal” wasn’t being used in a political sense until the middle of the 18th century. (The Atlantic published a fascinating article on this back in 2014, drawing on Google nGram http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/the-origin-of-liberalism/283780/) And with “liberal democracy,” we’re combining the liberal aspect of safeguarding rights with the democratic aspect of majority rule, i.e. the rule of law that is important in protecting the rights of the minority… Read more »
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@Zorgas
September 19, 2015 at 1:15 am

Goes without saying that I completely agree with every one of your words in the post above.

Chris from Bulgaria
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I totally agree with you.

Deakista
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It is very boring to read an analysis on the Orban affair.

He is governing against the nation!

Further, he is serving Putin much better than the nation.

A few sane Hungarians have to find a solution to end this nightmare quickly.

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Re: Further he is serving Putin much better than the nation’

A little joke which aligns the ‘illeberalist’ fellows…

“So , Vladimir Putin is President of Russia again.
It is thought he has won over 60% of all the votes , but who’s counting”

That’s whatcha get with illiberalism..;-)…The ‘ver’ has to run deep with those guys.

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Don’t know whether someone has already posted this, from a few days ago, “Hungary has been shamed by Viktor Orbán’s government,” by George Szirtes, who happened to be on a visit to Budapest as Orban’s premeditated cycle of atrocities against the asylum-seekers was reaching its first crescendo:

“Hungarians, as a people, are no worse than anyone else – thousands of volunteers have been helping the refugees for weeks – but they don’t act for the government. Despite their good work, thanks to the actions of the government, the name of Hungary stinks to high heaven.”

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/hungary-shamed-viktor-orban-refugee-hungarian-serbian

tappanch
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Orban’s emergency chief, Bakondi was caught lying.

Yesterday he claimed in a press conference that Croatian police had been disarmed by the Hungarians.

Hungarian media were full of this headline.

Hours later Hungarian police admitted (but this did not make the headlines) that the Croatians did not even have “szolgálati lőfegyver” (shotgun) to start with.

http://444.hu/2015/09/18/lefegyverzett-40-horvat-rendort-a-magyar-hatarnal/
http://police.hu/hirek-es-informaciok/legfrissebb-hireink/hatarrendeszet/kozlemeny-15

Yesterday’s “registered migrants” number was the second highest on record, 7,852.

tappanch
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It takes five weeks to get here straight from Syria. Report from the border (Zákány, county Somogy)

“Our reporter talked to the 21-year old Alef. He had been a second year engineering student, and escaped with 5 or 6 of his friends when he was drafted to the army”

“Our colleague also talked to a group of Afghans. They left because they did not have jobs due to the war. The ten people named 8 different final destinations where they have relatives.”

“The migrants accepted bread and tap water only. Interestingly, a local entrepreneur gave milk to the children, and they accepted the donation.”

http://www.sonline.hu/somogy/kozelet/rendorok-migransok-es-friss-kenyer-helyzetjelentes-zakanybol-630097

Webber
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“Migrants” *actually refugees – probably don’t want to risk eating pork, hence the willingness to accept only bread and water and, for children, milk.
In many countries, only children drink milk.

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Of course – many African and Asian adults react with stomach problems to milk and some milk products like cheese!
There was probably a mutation long ago that allowed Western adults to consume milk:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

“The frequency of lactose intolerance ranges from 5% in Northern European to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries.”
But of course Hungarians don’t know about that ?

PS and totally OT:
In China I sometimes shocked people with telling them about one of my favourite foods:
Swiss cheese fondue …

tappanch
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Here is the Fidesz plan to give away 8% of the agricultural land of Hungary to friends and family within the next few months.

http://lehetmas.hu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/srb_fm.pdf

BritinBudapest
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If Orban is so determined to secures its borders, what does that mean for all the ethnic Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia and Ukraine? Is he not abandoning them? Or does his claim on their loyalty no longer stand? Or does yet another huge chasm in his thinking not mean anything because no-one will remember or hold him to account. As with the major economic policy heralding an opening to the East and a positive move to welcome and work with countries from the Middle and Far East.

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
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“Hungary, meanwhile, accused Croatia of breaking international law…..”
Oh, the irony!
Where are all those “smart” Fidesz lawyers when their master needs them?
Snorting coke with their 16 year old girlfriends in Fokért as usual?

tappanch
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Where is “Fokért” ?

hdgf
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Ötkert, I guess, owned by Tóni Rogan in district V close to Lánchíd.

Orban had a consultation with the younger generation at this – as he said – “romkocsma” a few years ago to show how cool he is and up to date in oyuth culture — even back then it was a real mulató club with coke and stuff.

Kormos
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The 2018 campaign started already. I just saw Lajos Bokros collecting signatures at the Farmers Market in Kecskemet. He is a nice roundish fellow. Middle age women group were adoring him.

Tappanch: MOMA is where “Fokert”
is :-)) This D7 is something isn’t he/she?

Webber
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Bokros – the mustache who demolished MDF returns.

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
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Sorry, Ötkert in Zrinyi Utca is indeed the Fidesz Sodom + Gomorrah.
Fokert is where they take their PAs for a canoodle during the day.
Did I understand it correctly, the Hungarian police are denying the assertion of their own regime that the Croation cops were armed?
Only in Orbanistan.

Webber
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yeah, but videos and photos clearly show that the Croatian police WERE armed (with pistols – look at articles on index). So, total chaos in communication, as on the borders and in all fields of Hungarian foreign policy.

István
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The video is linked above.

tappanch
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From the live, very short press conference:

Hungarian authorities registered 36x (I missed the last digit) asylum seekers yesterday

This is less than 5% of the migrants who crossed the border from Croatia and were counted by Hungarian police!

So basically, Hungary emulates Croatia – sends most migrants unregistered to the next country, which is Austria.

tappanch
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Another 3000+ people crossed into Hungary between midnight and 8 AM.

tappanch
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tappanch
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While Hungarian police counted 7800+ new illegal migrants entering from Croatia yesterday, the Slovenians had only 1100.

http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/slovenci-zaustavili-vise-od-1100-izbjeglica-koji-su-ilegalno-usli-u-zemlju/842822.aspx

Webber
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Hungary was letting most migrants pass through Hungary unregistered to Austria all spring and summer, with no complaints in the press from Austria and Germany – until for some reason the Great O decided to make a scene at Keleti.

spectator
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Then what would happen with the already sentenced people, who basically committed the very same “illegal entry”, only this time the “hole in the wall” was much bigger? Any idea?

Amazing really, just how consequently the government “following the law to the letter”..!

Obviously too many letters are there, and horrible dictu, most of them different..!

tappanch
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Official statistics of the last 7 days (September 12 through 18)

Captured (or counted) illegal migrants:

28,949 = 209963-181014 on one hand (according to the press conferences),

28,778 = 4330+5809+9380+366+277+764+7852 (according to police.hu)

Registered migrants (asylum applications)

6,336 = 172801-166465

(asylum applications)/(illegal migrants) = 21.9%

Webber
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Tell me if I’m wrong – Hungary’s President, Ader (a figurehead) still has not said a thing about refugees. He certainly has not suggested that people should act in a humanitarian way. He has given no guidance whatsoever – though that is his role, I believe. Here’s a statement from Serbia’s President, Nikolic (a figurehead) We all know which EU member Nikolic meant when he made this statement: ‘Tomislav Nikolic said that “selfishness has also emerged in some EU members,” adding it was “probably encouraged,” and stressing that Serbia was “not selfish – and will hold out for as long as it can.” “We are not selfish and this nation will hold out for as long as it can, and when there’s not enough for us, there won’t be enough for the migrants either, who are forced to spend more time in Serbia than would be normal,” the Serbian president remarked. ‘He added it was “absurd” that a country that is not a member of the EU’ (Serbia – Webber) ‘respects “all standards” more than those who are members and who are now “almost out of control – without receiving any criticism, advice, or order from Brussels.”‘ Story here: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=18&nav_id=95481… Read more »
Dagobert
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You are right. But Áder is a partizan fidesznik, part of the family. Why would he do anything, and I mean anything which might conceivably be interpreted as contradicting Orban or would support a different narrative??

Because he is a cultured gentleman (as Navracsis or Szájer were thought by vapid diplomats and observers)?? C’mon.

Áder is Fidesz by identity not by choice. That’s his youth, his past, his present. He is nothing without Fidesz and the power this association conveys. Áder will never do anything which would hurt the Fidesz brand. Ever. Especially because his advisors and their relatives are also well-selected fideszniks by identity. There’s a reason Orban put Áder there and it’s because he is totally, 150% politically reliable. That’s all.

Webber
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Sending this out to the Great O, and his team of lawyers.

Webber
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For those Hungarians who keep saying (actually hoping) that other countries are acting or will act the same as Hungary: Not long ago we heard from you lot that Croatia would act like Orban’s Hungary. Now that this has proven to be wrong, we hear that Slovenia is acting in a similar manner to Hungary.

Here is what the Slovene govt. has just announced:
‘Slovenia said it was considering “corridors” for refugees through its territory and would take in up to 10,000 refugees.’

See the difference? Orban’s Hungary is not seen as a role model by a single country in Europe.

So much for his great statesmanship. Can you give us another story, please, because the one about him now being the leader of European policy is just too obviously a lie.

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Re: Mr. Orban’s ‘grand vision’ for the Hungarian nation.. With his move to illiberalism it always suggested to me that his relationship with democracy is like buying a car and getting a Mercedes and it was a lemon. From the looks of it he’ll never buy that brand again. Too much headaches! Too much time wasted dealing with problems! Too much energy involved. That’s why the old boy likes illiberalism it is more like ‘lusta dolog’. There are absolutely no problems! The car runs smoothly! Easier to pontificate and have all follow reflexively in line to build the ‘dream’. Who needs critical assemblies for debate? Who needs laws that work for all? Thing is anybody who enters that sanctum must leave their head and brains behind to get into the so-called ‘new progressive Hungarian Faith’. How will he pull this off? Beats me. Even Hadrian’s Wall couldn’t hold off the Picts and what followed to the Roman experience. This could be a time for miracles. So that’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he will call all the multitudes to Kotsce and you know work with those ‘loaves and fishes’. And they’ll be cameras there. The despot will… Read more »
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Great analogy. Orban clearly wants his 2 strokes, air blown cooling Trabant back.

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And he’s also started to rebuild the Iron Curtain around Hungary – ain’t he cute?

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Re: wolfi…iron curtain around Hungary’

And I just don’t know how all this might square with that Jobbik vision of if you think about it expanding the ‘hatar’. The real estate business around Hungary is arguably picking up. As they say it’s location, location, location that drives the business!

spectator
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Hungarian pastime idill: grandma with a crochet working on her new Iron Curtain…

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István
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If one reads the English language news produced in Slovenia one got this interesting article yesterday http://www.sloveniatimes.com/dozens-detained-for-illegal-border-crossing-croatia-halts-return This article discusses the use of tear gas by Slovenian police on refugees. It plays down the incident. The AP has posted an interview with Croatian President Kolinda Grabar Kitarovic who in completely perfect English explains Croatia can not allow the large number of refugees to stay in her country, but she does not discuss the dumping of refugees in Hungary see http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_EUROPE_MIGRANTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-19-07-34-44 The story about Slovenian Prime Minister Miro Cerar having indicated that his country might create a safe passage corridor for refugees is appearing mostly in the British press. The Slovenian Prime Minister’s office has issued no official statement to that effect as yet see http://www.kpv.gov.si/en/ The situation changes minute by minute. No nation wants the burden of supporting these refugees that is clear. Germany has yet to have created processing or detention camps even to sort out which refugees have family to live with in Germany. The possibility that Islamic State infiltrators could be admitted is apparently a real concern of the Germans. The possibility that some of the younger men among the refugees were combatants in the Syrian civil… Read more »
Webber
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Istvan – the Slovene PM’s web page in English is for PR purposes and has fairly empty news of “gosh how nice Slovenia is” sort.
I wonder why you trust Hungarian news services for news on Slovenia’s treatment of refugees? (you’ve repeated some things they’ve said – so you apparently do believe them – though you know well that they are often wrong on foreign news)
Apparently you don’t trust The Guardian and the BBC’s report on statements from Slovenia. I wonder why?
Would you be satisfied by Reuters?
If not, and if you speak Slovene, look at some local newspapers online. If you don’t, try Slovenia Times (not the best, but at least you’re not going through the Hungarian filter there)

Can you tell me why you don’t want to believe that Slovenia might act decently, or rather in a manner differently from Hungary? It was apparent that you initially had a hard time believing that Croatia would act in a different manner. Then you saw that Croatia did. Now you don’t seem to want to believe the news about Slovenia.
Have you swallowed the Hungarian govt.’s line that they are a model for other countries?

Kormos
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I just remember an about fifty years old political joke: When the Soviet Union and China had the first conflict, Mao was asked; what would he do if Russia attacked China. He replied: I would sent ten million prisoner of war to them.
Isn’t this joke some reality in it now?

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Eva, According to 444 there were families that gone through legally before the mayhem started. There is even a photo in the article that supports that. After a (or more) family went through, that is when some troublemakers started the push and throw. Other families were behind. When the Hungarian police backed away that is when the families and other peaceful refugees believed that the border is open. That was the point tag everyone wanted to move and suddenly the police started their counter attack, beating up families, and journalist. Badly trained police, mixed messages from the government, some trouble makers are all to blame, but to blame the average refugees and the reporters is absurd.

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And something relating further to VO’s ‘grand vision’. Here is one view which I came across: ‘Our history has become one with that of the peoples of Europe. We have become tied to the Continent with a thousand one threads of blood, economy and culture, and we find our own mirror image, dimmer or clearer , in the history of practically all the European peoples. We have received a great deal – a great deal in wealth, culture, taste and style- from neighboring and more distant peoples, but perhaps we also have given them something in return; having established our foothold in this modest nook of the world , we have adjusted ourselves to the community of European peoples, retaining at the same time our own unique colour, tone and way of life. In the course of time we have caused anxiety and evoked enthusiasm in the world, but we have never elicited contempt; and the labour of our hands and brains has won the respect of people in many parts of the globe’. From a preface written in ’69 by Gyula Csak in a picture book titled ‘Hungary’ extolling the beauty of Magyarorszag and the work of its people.… Read more »
D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
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“Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said: “Instead of honestly making provision for the immigrants, it sent them straight to Hungary. What kind of European solidarity is this?”

If it weren’t for the horrid human issues involved, this would qualify as unintended comedy of the highest order- one of Orban’s sadistic regime’s main zombies bemoaning a lack of European solidarity and lack of provision for the refugees. Almost as funny as criticising Croatia for breaking international law.

Anyway, looks like the fence and robocops patrolling the border has been as success. The Orbanists now have more refugees on their hands than before. Well done, another cunning plan falls flat on its face.

Webber
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The Croatian PM has announced that he has won the dispute with Hungary, and forced the Hungarian government to accept refugees.
Now, the Slovenes have reinstated border controls with Hungary.
So, Schengen ends for Hungarians on another border.
The reinstatement of border controls by Slovenia is clearly not directed against refugees, because refugees aren’t entering Slovenia from Hungary.
The reinstatement of border controls on the Slovene border is thus clearly a message of disapproval to the Hungarian government, just as was the case with Austria.

News here:
http://www.sloveniatimes.com/slovenia-reinstating-controls-at-border-with-hungary
I wonder if this has anything at all to do with the “rumors” that the majority of human smugglers are Hungarian?

Webber
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Here is the Slovene news services’ explanation of what happened in Slovenia last night. I recommend it to all those who read Hungarian news stories about the incident. I don’t know what really happened, but can see that the Hungarian stories suggesting mass violence from Slovene police are very different from the Slovene story, which is:

‘A group of refugees who were assisted by Slovenian activists started demanding free passage of the refugees towards western Europe.

They had a banner saying “Nobody is illegal”.

The situation escalated as the protesters pushed towards a Slovenian police cordon and the police used tear gas.

Explaining the incident in a press release this morning, the Novo mesto police said the tear gas was used against a violent protester who tried to break through the police cordon.

It added that a group of refugees and protesters was getting increasingly violent, throwing plastic bottles and sticks towards the police officers and even pushing them away.

As a result, tear gas was used “against one protester who violated public peace and order, not against a group of people or foreigners,” the police statement says.’

Story here:
http://www.sloveniatimes.com/refugees-from-rigonce-crossing-let-into-slovenia

gyogyitgathatnank
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The refugees have to be sorted out:
1. Truly political refugees, actively having participated in the uprising against Assad. These people should get support, and a place in the future administration of free Syria
2. Innocent people, who got in harm’s way. Temporary visa, work permit. Repatriation after evaluation in the future
3. Dangerous infiltrators. Refer them to Guantanamo.
and probably further shades of compatibility with the West.

All of them must get a basic education in language and history.

Imre Homer
Guest

Why do they refuse to register if they are not criminals and terrorists?

We were in a refugee camp for 8 1/2 months and we answered all questions. They refuse to answer any important ones

Guest

Imre, how was that camp – in comparison to what Hungary offers the refugees now?

Maybe they don’t want to register in Hungary because they are afraid that then they’ll have to stay in Hungary …

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