Orbán’s crack police force in action at the Serb-Hungarian border

It was on September 16 that the Hungarian police, with the active help of members of TEK, the so-called anti-terrorist force created by Viktor Orbán to serve as his and his regime’s bodyguards, brutally attacked a group of refugees. The asylum seekers had been led to believe that the Hungarian authorities had decided after all to open one of the gates on the freshly closed border between Serbia and Hungary. Given the large number of reporters and cameramen on the scene, many videos and descriptions of the “battle” exist. Although nowadays an event that took place more than two weeks ago no longer holds much interest, this story doesn’t want to die.

One reason for the survival of the story in the media is that it was not only asylum seekers who were beaten by members of TEK but also journalists and cameramen who were on the spot. Altogether eight reporters were beaten by the Hungarian special forces, three of whom were also arrested and held at police headquarters in nearby Szeged. These people made sure that their story would be told and retold. Hardly a day has passed without a report in the Hungarian media on the incident.

One of the witnesses (and victims) was Warren Richardson, an Australian freelance photographer, who summed up TEK’s role in the event as “a dress rehearsal.” As he put it, “the TEK boys wanted to find out how successfully they can handle an antagonistic crowd.”

This interpretation assumes premeditation. Descriptions of events to date strongly suggest that TEK did indeed receive instructions from above to create a situation that would necessitate aggressive police action. TEK is subordinated to Interior Minister Sándor Pintér, a former high-ranking police officer of questionable reputation who has a permanent place in every Orbán government, which suggests a special relationship between him and the prime minister. Given the nature of governance under Viktor Orbán, if instructions to attack came from above, it had to be from the prime minister himself.

But why would Viktor Orbán want to provoke such an incident, which has been injurious to his government’s reputation? The standard explanation is his desire to prove to Hungarians, already suspicious of the motives of the migrants, that these people are indeed a dangerous and violent lot who ought to be feared. It is true that a few hours earlier some young men threw rocks at the policemen guarding the border and broke through the fence, but the riot police handled the situation easily with teargas and water cannons. No one could dispute the right of the Hungarian police to defend themselves against bodily harm, and if a few hours later the “TEK boys” hadn’t decided to attack peaceful asylum seekers, nobody would have complained.

The government normally justifies TEK’s attack on the crowd by describing it as an answer to the rowdies in the crowd who were throwing rocks at the police. But that gives a false account  of the events. The rock throwing took place at around 2:30 in the afternoon, and the TEK attack occurred after 5:30. Moreover, the two incidents took place at a considerable distance from each other.

Why did the asylum seekers think they could legally cross into Hungary? The police phalanx retreated about 30-35 meters from the fence and opened the gate to allow a sick little girl and her family to cross into Hungary. At this point the crowd, thinking that the Hungarian authorities had officially opened the gate and that they were allowed to proceed, began chanting: “Thank you, thank you, Hungary!” It was at that point that members of TEK, who had arrived on the scene shortly before, began their attack.

Yesterday Atlatszo.hu published a description of the events at the border by two reporters, the aforementioned Australian Warren Richardson and Tímea Beck, the photo reporter for the Slovak Dennik N internet news site. Richardson was badly beaten by a TEK man, who, according to him, smiled as he kicked Richardson four or five times in the head. Finally, he was arrested and taken to police headquarters. Although he was kept there for twelve hours, eventually the authorities let him go without fingerprinting him or even making a report. He knew his rights, which frustrated his interrogators, who for a good twelve hours madly tried to come up with some piece of legislation that would fit Richardson’s “crime.” Eventually they simply gave up.

Tímea Beck from Slovakia is certain that “the members of TEK received orders from above.” She also describes the situation as entirely peaceful. Most of the people who were attacked by TEK were women and children. When the TEK force arrived everybody started running, including Beck who received the first blow on her back and later two more on her shoulder. At this point she thought that if she speaks Hungarian and explains that she is a journalist perhaps she could make headway with the TEK people, but she was told “to shut up because [she] has no right to speak.” One of the TEK people handcuffed her, threw her on the ground, and took her along with Warren Richardson and the Polish reporter Jacek Tacik to police headquarters in Szeged, where they accused her of illegally crossing the border. Tacik, as the picture below shows, suffered a fairly serious head injury. He was originally accused of attacking a policeman, but eventually all charges were dropped.

Jacek Tacik, the Polish journalist who wasn't beaten

Jacek Tacik, the Polish journalist who, according to the government, wasn’t beaten

These three journalists were not the only ones who were hurt. According to the latest count, eight journalists were beaten by members of TEK during the encounter, including the entire camera crew of the Serbian public television station. They also claimed that the Hungarians purposely broke their equipment. The police denied that they manhandled any journalists, which might be correct, strictly speaking, if we assume that the assault came from TEK and not the regular police.

The European Federation of Journalists (EFJ) immediately denounced the attack on and arrest of journalists by the Hungarian authorities. So did the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), which found the manhandling of journalists who are reporting on an event of worldwide interest unacceptable. Nina Orgnianova, CPJ’s Europe and Central Asia program coordinator, announced that “the Hungarian government must make a clear and unequivocal statement that it will not tolerate such behavior.” I’m afraid she can wait for that statement.

At the moment the Hungarian government is in desperate search of a bona fide terrorist among the refugees. They arrested a few suspects, but apparently proving their guilt has been difficult. I don’t know whether they have given up on the idea or whether they have decided to continue their investigation. Finding a terrorist would be a real coup for Orbán’s propaganda machine.

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Géza
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Well they found their men…

A Syrian citizen who took a leading role in the attack on the Hungarian border post at Röszke in September was arrested at Budapest’s main railway station while in possession of SEVEN different passports WHO contained Schengen visas, Hungarian police have announced. An article in the Népszabadság newspaper revealed that the man—identified only as Ahmed H., is a known Islamist who is domiciled in Cyprus—and cannot therefore in any way be classified as a “refugee.”

Ahmed H. is resident of the island of Cyprus, where he holds a work permit. He is also not a poor “refugee.” He has a well-established business on that island, owns a fishing boat, five cars, has a wife, and a newly-built €90,000 house, the Népszabadság reported. Significantly, the Cypriot government earlier turned down his citizenship application.

The Hungarian police also revealed that Ahmed H. and another arrested leader of the attack on the Röszke border post, identified as Jaszír Timea, had not even entered Europe on foot, but had instead flown to Budapest on commercial airliners.

Also this is a nice video…

Guest

I have watched the video posted by Géza, and find it repulsive. The content is dubious and I suspect highly doctored, with repeat images, circles around some of the charaters in the event, and foul language added as footage.

Whether some of the refugees were badly behaved or not, this masterpiece of “documentary evidence” leaves me with two impressions – firstly, it simply confirms my view of Orbán and Fidesz supporters to be an uncouth, discourteous and foul-mouthed rabble.

Secondly, and more importantly, it shows the futility and the counterproductive nature of the “fence” – a manifestation of a belligerent and violent Prime Minister, who thrives on conflict, therefore orchestrates it.

The one thing Orbán is a virtuoso at, is making full use of any crisis and any situation, to further his own ends. I have no doubt he would woo IS terrorists, if need be, if it meant he could continue unimpeded on his journey to the palace and the throne and crown of ancient Hungary – the “King” of an illiberal autocracy, surrounded by lackeys who say and do anything to please their lord, as in the Emperor With no Clothes.

Guest

Nice try, little troll, but no cigar!
But still no terrorist …
Any comment from you on the beating of the journalists – or are you telling us it just didn’t happen? Maybe they were beaten by those “terrorists” that you lunatics see everywhere?

Gardonista
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Géza, you try to portray these people as terrorists, yet their meagre rocks, mostly thrown against metal fences, harm nobody. If they are so bad, then you have proven that Jacek Tacik was victim of a much worse form of violence.

Thank you for your video. You show that the people demonizing the immigrants are truly the animals. Hungary has been invaded by people who want to destroy European values, but it’s not these Syrians. It’s people who have lost their humanity by demonizing the poor souls escaping ISIS.

Webber
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Geza All that happened after the attack by TEK. That is obvious, in any case, from the video – look at the trash on the ground. Things have been “happening” for some time here. Before TEK moved, according to every independent neutral observer, there was no violence at all, the refugees were acting utterly peacefully (the observers incl. Australian, Slovak, Serbian, Swiss, and even non-govt. Hungarian journalists). TEK appeared, opened the gates, let some people through (incl. journalists), and then closed them and attacked. All journalists involved, regardless of nationality, are telling the same story – Serbs say what Poles and the Australian say about the incident. You can perhaps imagine what the crowd on the other side, watching, felt. The response of the crowd, of course, was joyfully recorded by TEK. THIS Is what they wanted the world to see. As to your other comments. It is no secret that the refugees who reach Europe are more wealthy than those left behind. It costs a lot of money to get to Europe. Incidentally – another thing: there is nothing new or unique in this. People have fled state violence and war for a very long time now, and when… Read more »
Member

So what did the journalist do who were beaten up? Did they have fake passports too?

Charles Vilnos
Guest

You have trained us to be expect more relevant news and analysis…

Guest

So beating up journalists is not relevant?
Happens every day in Orbanistan?
No reason to worry – just be a Tiszta Magyar, shut up and do as you’re told …

Member

See, Geza, that’s the thing. The majority of the Hungarians didn’t lift a finger to help these refugees. Even a shady guy (seven passports, oh my) has higher moral sense.

He was helping, right? Or do you have another theory?

petofi
Guest

“…another theory..?”

Sure, try this: he was a go-between the human traffickers and refugees.
Why else would he fly to Budapest and travel to insert himself among the migrants/refugees?

Guest

If you are genuinely concerned about human traffickers, I suggest you try and ferret out the Hungarian traffickers, “respectable” ethnic Hungarian citizens, carrying out their loathsome business in secret. Or perhaps some members of the Orbán elite are involved in that too and are therefore untouchable?

Webber
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Hungarian traffickers aren’t even hiding what they are doing (eye/earwitness report here). At least one of them sits in a restaurant in W. Hungary shouting into his phone telling his “colleagues” where to go to pick up refugees. Everyone who visits the restaurant can hear him.

clive75mercer
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Victor Orban is the terrorist, but he is a long way from being identified. Bigoted, vile, low minded, sub human specimen that he is. One day, one day he will surely get his come up pence. Soon may that day come.

tom
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Yesterday there was a criticism on this blog about the Hungarian FM because he spoke Russian. The reason for the criticism was given that there is a conflict between the US and Russia around the targets selected for the bombing campaign in Syria.

I found this a very weak reason since speaking a language does not mean the endorsement of specific bombings conducted by countries of that language.

I for example often speak (attempt to speak rather) English, but that does not mean that I endorse the bombing of the MSF Hospital in Kunduz ( http://twitter.com/MSF ). MSF is better known as Doctors without borders and they run a charity hospital, which was bombed by the US, resulting in 12 dead staff 7 dead patients and many wounded.

Webber
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Tom – Unlike English, Russian is hardly an international language. But even if it were:
Not only did the Hungarian FM speak Russian (very badly), he also spoke words of support for Russia and for Russia’s actions in Syria. It was all more proof of the Hungarian government’s alignment with Russia (expulsion from NATO will be logical, sooner or later). Speaking in Russian was proof of this – a gesture. Hungarian government representatives generally speak in their native tongue when they can, with pride.
As far as I can recall, not a single Hungarian FM has used Russian in an international speech, even though a few of them knew the language very well (Martonyi certainly did).

Majompók
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Look, can the Amercians tell Orban to stop being pro-Russian, or else? This is when power comes into picture. If the US was powerful Orban would oblige, but he figured that the US and the western politicians just don’t care or that they are not powerful enough any more, which are the same for all practical purposes.

But if the US and NATO don’t care Orban will remain pro-Russian (the National TV station now has a Russian-language program, people with interesting Russian connections are all over the Hungarian government I hear).

Hungary essentially became a Russian puppet and the west just doesn’t care.

Webber
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Yes, the American govt. could tell Orban to stop being pro-Russian “or else.” (there is plenty of dirt to dish out to the Hun public) A quiet message could be very effective. But what would the point be? In what sense does Hungary matter, on the global stage, to the United States? Where are its vital resources? Its key strategic position?

If that’s where the lunatic, the Great O chooses to go, that’s where he should go – and good riddance. (n.b. I say, kick the SOB out of NATO, ASAP – but I guess Washington will prefer to wait until after 2018)

A negative example is also an example. Let other leaders see the results, long term.

Where Hungary ultimately stands is the EU’s problem, not the US’s.

Guest

Indeed it was an extremely servile act from our FM starting his speech in Russian, shame on him. Especially when Hungary was under the Russian rule for 40 years. I am wondering when we can expect Mr Lavrov starting his speech in Hungarian just out of courtesy. Please note that it is a totally different story when we speak different foreign languages among foreigners so your reasoning was truly irrelevant.

Member

Sorry tom, Did I miss the Russian is one of the official languages of the EU. I recall when we had to learn Russian in Hungary, I guess both you and Szijjarto reminiscent of those days. Forgive me but I am not.

tom
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Many people seemed to miss the point. The point was that it is a weak argument to tie speaking Russian directly to Russian airstrikes in Syria. The USA made the argument that not only ISIS was bombed but other groups as well. Yesterday the poster Istvan made the point that the Russians are working based on Syrian gov. intelligence and those view all hostiles as terrorists to be terminated. But to tie all this to speaking Russian is an overreach. While it could be said that speaking Russian is a general gesture, it is too much to say “you spoke Russian so you support Russian bombings of rebels.” It simply does not follow. Just as if someone generally likes the USA and supports the USA it cannot be said that this means that they also must support the bombing of the Doctors without borders hospital. “You support the USA so you support the American bombings of the Kunduz hospital” It does not follow same as in the Russian case. It is entirely possible that someone supports the USA wholeheartedly but considers the bombing of a charity hospital a war crime which should be investigated and the people responsible harshly punished.… Read more »
Member

Glad to report that I did not tie Szijjarto’s speech to the airstrikes. He is not that powerful!

spectator
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“While it could be said that speaking Russian is a general gesture, it is too much to say “you spoke Russian so you support Russian bombings of rebels.” It simply does not follow.”

There is a significant difference between speaking Russian generally, and speaking Russian in purpose. Another factor is that just where and of what reason are you speaking Russian, you see.

It was nothing better than a verbal fellatio to demonstrate our loyalty – and for a very wrong reason.

D7 Democrat (@D7Democrat)
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“But why would Viktor Orbán want to provoke such an incident, which has been injurious to his government’s reputation? The standard explanation is his desire to prove to Hungarians, already suspicious of the motives of the migrants, that these people are indeed a dangerous and violent lot who ought to be feared”

Perhaps. A less savoury and more believable explanation is that Orbán knows the typical Fidesz/Jobbik voter only too well. They, like him, take great pleasure in causing and witnessing suffering to innocents. Whereas civilised people would be horrified at the thought of pepper spray being directed at babies or children being assaulted by adults, the typical Fidesz voter positively drools at the thought.

The sadist dictator has given his equally nasty and inhuman people exactly what they want.

petofi
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All the opposition forces in Hungary have been stymied: Orban has demonstrated that the Law is now a weapon in the hands of Fidesz/Orban against all opponents.

Note the Esztergom example–a town completely debilitated by Fidesz opposition to its Independent Mayor. Did other mayors of Hungary jointly support the Esztergom mayor? No. Did an association of mayors–if there is such a thing–attack the government in a court of law from withholding funds from Esztergom? No.

Fear, and the primacy of self-survival, have played their part in totally curbing the Rule of Law in Hungary. And nary a professor, or a peoples’ group, have stood up to fight to return the country to the path of Law.

Guest

Those of us who regularly demonstrate and continually protest either directly, or indirectly as in these anonymous comments, do most certainly stand up and speak out against this appalling government. What more do you suggest can be done?

tappanch
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The welcoming face of Hungary:
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István
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On May 13, 2013 US Ambassador to Hungary Eleni Tsakopoulos Kounalakis gave a speech at the Hungarian Interior Ministry on the donation of some US radiation detection equipment to Hungary. In that speech the Ambassador stated: ” Cooperation between the United States and Hungary in the realm of law enforcement has been, and will remain, one of the cornerstones of the relationship between our two countries. From the jointly organized and operated International Law Enforcement Academy in Budapest to various other programs bringing together our respective law enforcement agencies, Hungarian-American security cooperation is a true success story, and it’s indeed a model for others to follow. The United States has supported Hungary’s law enforcement efforts through equipment donations, training opportunities and by sharing our best practices and know-how. That we are able to work together on such a broad range of issues is a real testament to the strength of our relationship and to the mutual trust and confidence we place in each other.” See http://hungary.usembassy.gov/mobile//kounalakis_05312013.html I would add that Ambassador Kounalakis’s book Madam Ambassador discusses in passing the US role in the development of the TEK her comment sheds additional light on Kim Lane Scheppele’s excellent essay that appeared… Read more »
do56
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Sad picture.
US protects Orban.
Russia protects Orban.
Iran protects Orban.
Syria protects Orban.
Is Hungary the looser?

Webber
Guest

When did the US protect Orban?
Enlighten me please.
(Syria’s Assad regime can’t even protect itself, so I assume you are joking about that)

Webber
Guest

Istvan, are you trying to be poetic? You wrote “it is therefore also possible the violence simply took place on the part of the TEK as what would be called a failure to execute what is called a Graduate and Proportional Response to crowd actions.”

“therefore also possible”???
“failure to execute”????

In plain English, TEK planned exactly what it would do, and executed it perfectly, which was:
Open gates, let a few refugees and all journalists through, close gates, attack people and journalists – and confiscate and destroy ALL recording devices from journalists. Incarcerate people after beating them. Finally, record the reaction of the crowd and play that on Hungarian t.v., again and again, with the explanation that “migrants are rioting” on the border.

István
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Webber I wrote what I wrote it is rather obvious. Riot control units lose control of situations and rapidly increase violence when it may not be necessary. There other explanations than that every thing was ploted out, but it is good you are so confident of your position.

By the way US riot control units have in the recent past beaten reporters see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/baltimore-journalist-beaten-protest_n_7148030.html Unfortuantely these things happen in these types of situations and many reporters now wear some riot gear themselves when covering stories.

Member

Istvan, The real question is Why TEK was there at the first place?

István
Guest

I can only guess, one reason could be the position articulated by Webber and others that they were sent to forment violence for ideological purposes. Another reason could be that it was believed they were less likely to shoot refugees than were other forces avaiable to the government in confrontational situations because of their training. Yet antoher rational could be that the Orban government wanted to impress on future refugees that Hungary was not a good pathway to Germany by exerting limited violence, but feared a massacre if less elite forces were used.

I am sure there are other possible answers to your question Some1.

Webber
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István, Let’s settle something here: YOU have come with a theory exonerating TEK forces, a theory for which you have absolutely no evidence. I have based what I said on the testimony of journalists and refugees who were eye witnesses. A week or two ago I posted an interview with a Serbian journalist attacked. Eva has also posted links. There is evidence if you care to look. Apparently you don’t care to look, only come up with armchair theories about why TEK “made a mistake.” Where is your evidence for your theory? You have none. Just a “hunch” that TEK boys are “good” but the situation “somehow got out of hand. I have posted evidence, and Eva has posted some, yet you insinuate that I am making it up (“it is good that” I am “so confident”) I have provided links. Eva has provided links. Where are yours? Posing as an expert won’t do, I’m afraid. You have to put up to back up your ideas. Otherwise, sorry – they just don’t go. As to what I wrote – The accounts by the various journalists, made independently of one another, and interviews with refugees who were eye witnesses. Each corroborates… Read more »
Webber
Guest

PS You did the same thing yesterday with your statement that you had seen “no evidence” of Turkish support for ISIS. So, I posted articles for you to see for yourself – US and British govt. officials have confirmed to the press that ISIS was (perhaps still is) supported by Turkey.
N.b. You’ve already said elsewhere that you’re out of the intelligence loop. Clearly that, at least, was accurate. Just a brush up for you: A good analyst keeps his eyes and ears open, reads evidence from all sources possible, and does not rely on hunches and wishful thinking.

István
Guest

Webber the stories about direct Turkish support for IS are about oil transfers, not weapons transfers. The same thing happened with Saudi Arabia and bin Laden he got money transfers until sufficient pressure was exerted on the Saudis. There were stories about how Saudi intelligence, even the royal family was backing Al Qaeda which turned out to be less than true. There were elements that supported Al Qaeda, but not full intelligence apparatus. So I reserve judgement in condemning our NATO allies in Turkey.

I do not share your conviction that the TEK actions were part of an organized plot to create violence at the border. It may turn out eventually that was the case, it also may not. Subsequent to those clashes Hungarian National police with TEK in reserve had plenty of chances to beat refugees near the Croatian border and did not. Possibly the bad PR from the events at the Serb border prevented that, possibly there were no such orders to provoke violence. It seems to get you exceedingly perturbed that I adopt that more cautious perspective, I less than clear why that is the case.

Webber
Guest

ISIS and Turkey –
No, there were not “just” oil transfers (as if that weren’t enough – DO read what I’ve posted, and read more).
Turkey actually shelled Kurdish positions to assist ISIS offensives (multiple stories on this – and eyewitness accounts from journalists; massive Kurdish rioting in Turkey in protest at one point – because the shelling couldn’t be hidden). ISIS military leadership got tactical information regularly from Turkey to assist in striking Kurds.
ISIS personnel were allowed to go through Turkey. ISIS military brass used Turkey as a base from which to operate, and a place for troops to recover and get medical treatment.
Weapons, too, were sold to ISIS by Turkey.
And some training was given to ISIS by Turkish forces.

Read up on TEK now. Eva is right.

Istvan
Guest

Turkey has long term interests in opposing IS. It also has long term interests in opposing a Kurdish state. The Russian intervention now has made the entire situation more complex and Russia is likely introducing combat ground forces into Syria http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/world/middleeast/russian-soldiers-join-syria-fight.html?_r=0

I continue to maintain that my nation’s position relating to NATO member Turkey remains correct and that we should not publicly accuse Turkey of supporting IS.

I had hoped the US military in military to military discussions might prevent further Russian attacks on US and NATO supported anti IS forces that also oppose the Syrian governement. But things are well beyond that now no doubt because the Russian on the ground assessment of the situation of the Bathist government was it would collapase and its life line to Lebanon was near being cut off.

Apparently the Russians see the situation as a Broken Arrow, i.e. a military distress call used to summon all available aircrafts to provide close air support to a US and/or allied position in imminent danger of being overrun by enemy forces. Welcome to the nightmare.

Member

I think based on what I’ve read and seen, TEK was sent there to justify the existence of such expensive venture. Please do not forget what was the original purpose of TEK, and what it did become. Hungary is not such a huge country that it would require layers and layers of police, parliament guards, police, reservists, and the list goes on.

István
Guest

I can only guess, one reason could be the position articulated by Webber and others that they were sent to forment violence for ideological purposes. Another reason could be that it was believed they were less likely to shoot refugees than were other forces avaiable to the government in confrontational situations because of their training. Yet antoher rational was the Orban government wanted to impress on future refugees that Hungary was not a good pathway to Germany by exerting limited violence, but feared a massacre if less elite forces were used.

I am sure there are other possible answers to your question Some1.

Member
I am sorry for returning to previous subjects, but I believe it is very important to disperse some of the myth from Fidesz and from those who blindly follow Fidesz on this blog. These people regularly pop up on these pages, and try to justify Hungary’s positions by spreading false data with no support or falsified information. The huge myth Hungarians feed with on the daily basis is the cost Hungarians have to pay because of theses refugees. The texts below form the official government portal, from the official government news portal, from additional ones sites, and from the EU official online publications. To improve Hungary’s “immigration transit” system, Switzerland contributed about 4,167,248 euro, while Hungary put in 641,000 euro. The money is for the energy renewal and restoration of immigration buildings. http://www.kormany.hu/hu/belugyminiszterium/kozigazgatasi-allamtitkarsag/hirek/energetikai-fejlesztes-a-bah-es-a-rendorseg-epuleteiben “Hungary will receive €500 for each person relocated from Hungary to cover transport costs.” http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-15-5597_en.htm Hungary spends a max of 25 euro/refugee on bussing refugees. http://index.hu/belfold/2015/10/01/260_milliot_koltottek_eddig_menekultbuszoztatasra/ Hungary (supposedly) spends 15 euro /day to feed and care for them. http://vs.hu/kozelet/osszes/ellatas-zsebpenz-ennyibe-kerul-egy-menekult-naponta-0901#!s2 The EU provides 500 euros/transit refugee or transit expense + Hungary is expected to settle 1294 Syrian refugees, and will receive 3,882,000 euro to start and additional 3,882,000… Read more »
Werewulf
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Some1, why are you lying?

you post:
“Hungary will receive €500 for each person relocated from Hungary to cover transport costs.”
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-15-5597_en.htm

but the link you gave is a September 9 PROPOSAL, which was not accepted. And it refers (as it is clear from your link) to the 54 000 persons planned to be relocated from the hotspot in Hungary.

So it is a complete lie that Hungary gets €500 for the unregistered, undocumented illegals.

You link a rejected proposal about hotspots and 54 000 persons to be relocated from Hungary, and try to pretend it is the truth.

WHY?

Member

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Member
Dear Werewolf, Please do not get a heart attack! The attached proposal was rejected at the time but some of it approved on September 22. The comprehensive document was attached, so it can be seen what the idea is. Even if the proposal was originally rejected, it never mean that Hungary will be left out to dry. The idea, and the financial support is still there. most people could do their own research, but I understand that this could be challenging for you. The 6000 euro / refugee was already approved on May 27 At the time 496 was suggested to Hungary, that number now grew! http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-5039_en.htm Brussels, 22 September 2015 European Commission Statement following the decision at the Extraordinary Justice and Home Affairs Council to relocate 120,000 refugees Today, European Home Affairs Ministers have taken an important decision to relocate 120,000 refugees from Greece, Italy and other Member States directly affected by the refugee crisis, less than 3 weeks after the Commission came forward with its proposal. The Commission welcomes the efforts undertaken by all Member States to reach this result, and salutes in particular the tireless work of the Luxembourg Presidency of the Council. Following this decision, the… Read more »
Member
A bit OT on the same subject. SAIS is to host a panel in Washington DC on “the EU Migration Crisis” featuring Michel Gabaudan, President of Refugees International, with the participation of the German and HU ambassadors to the US, soon. I expect a diverging discussion. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-eu-migration-crisis-tickets-18831530615 I wonder what the heck is S’95 behind the lady’s name. Serious people don’t post such extensive CV’s on such events, by the way. Istvan@, normally I would agree with or understand most of your points. Of course, there is more to TEK than just the private army a n d the private clandestine service of the PM. That does not change though the fundamentals about it. Why are you quoting so extensively former US Amb. Eleni on an issue that is not so relevant today. BTW, what is the relation between the so-called FBI Academy and TEK? (TEK is not present in NATO-member RO mania, for example.) Are you alluding that events described by Eva and others are something to do with US services? Why would they get involved in such a shameful scheme? (However if you were suggesting that the US services may have an interest in being part of screening… Read more »
István
Guest

No I do not think US involvement with training the TEK is linked to what took place at the Serbian border, but it is important to understand that the reason the TEK exists is for more reasons than that PM Orban wanted a private army. France, and many nations have similar organizations.

I do believe the US is concerned about terrorists entering Europe and then the US as happened on 9/11.

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