U.S. AMBASSADOR COLLEEN BELL DELIVERED WASHINGTON’S MESSAGE TO THE HUNGARIAN GOVERNMENT

You may recall that on October 20 I wrote a post with the title “Entering a new phase in U.S.-Hungarian Relations?” in which I expressed my belief that “Washington will soon be more active than it has been since January of this year when the new ambassador, Colleen Bell, arrived in Budapest.”

There were several signs of a change in U.S. strategy as far as U.S.-Hungarian relations are concerned. At the end of September Deputy Assistant Secretary Robert Berschinski spent three or four days in Hungary, during which he gave an interview to Magyar Nemzet. The reporter interpreted the recent silence of the United States as a sign of satisfaction, or at least of having fewer reasons to criticize the Hungarian government. But Berschinski corrected her. “I can assure you that the ambassador will also make more public statements in the future.” Therefore, I’m somewhat baffled at the great surprise with which the Hungarian media greeted Ambassador Colleen Bell’s first major speech last night. The speech contained the most outspoken and least diplomatic criticism of the Hungarian government in time immemorial.

The first twenty minutes were spent on niceties, mostly praising military cooperation, law enforcement, and counter-terrorism, but what followed was not so nice. Her message on energy security contained the following crucial sentences: “The United States understands that Russia is an important energy supplier–it will continue to be important in the future. But Russia and all suppliers–including the United States, by the way–should compete at market rates, on market terms. No nation should be kept dangerously dependent on any single source for its energy needs.”

Colleen Bell Corvinus

She returned to the same theme a few minutes later when she discussed the Paks II nuclear deal in connection with public trust and the lack of transparency. “It would change the game in the energy sector if members of the public could see the details of the Paks II nuclear deal. We look to the Hungarian government to increase transparency, starting with the details of this deal.”

From here she moved on to the “investment climate” in Hungary. Some investors talk about “significant obstacles to investment…. Some investors are concerned about stability in the tax and regulatory environment…. Investors must be able to predict regulatory and tax effects on their business. Otherwise, the costs of uncertainty will price many potential investors out of the market.”

After a long introduction came a list of “concerns” of the United States, which “have been echoed by the European Union, the OSCE, international organizations, and groups who track levels of freedom and adherence to rule of law in countries around the world. You will hear all their voices, and perhaps your own, in my comments tonight.”

The first of these concerns is corruption. “Corruption stalls growth, stifles investment, denies people their dignity, and undermines national security. Corruption in Hungary is a serious concern–quite clearly a top concern of average Hungarians, as I have heard, and as public polls consistently show. Wherever systemic corruption has effectively undermined fair governance, it creates an environment ripe for civil unrest, resistance to government, and even violent extremism.”

Washington has a few suggestions about how to combat corruption. “The best way to restore public confidence in the rule of law, and to show that the playing field is level, is to publicize prosecutions  [of the guilty ones]: the names, the crimes, the indictments, the dollar amounts seized, and the convictions and penalties.” I’m sure that by now Ambassador Bell knows, as do most of us familiar with the corrupt Hungarian government, that no convictions of either government officials or friends of Fidesz will ever take place as long as Viktor Orbán is the prime minister and Péter Polt, the chief prosecutor.

Then came the Hungarian government’s attack on the independent civil society, which in the American view “is a cornerstone of a functioning democracy.” It is clear, Bell continued, that “wherever governments introduce restrictions on civil society organizations, to restrict the space for voices that might differ, we do not see a truly free society.” The crackdown on more than 50 NGOs, starting in 2014 and continuing until recently, signals, in the opinion of Washington, that Hungarian society is not really free. It is true that “the Hungarian justice system has provided some protection and last year the authorities ceased the criminal proceedings against them but the situation is not fully resolved…. The chilling effect of these governmental investigations is widespread, and it casts a long shadow on Hungary’s reputation in the international community. We urge an immediate end of heavy-handed tactics against civil society organizations.” In this connection Bell brought up “the diminished independence of the Hungarian Constitutional Court” and the fact that the appointment of the justices is now the sole prerogative of the ruling party.

From here Bell turned to the topic of media freedom. “Hungarian politicians, intellectuals, and members of civil society speak of a marked decline in press freedom.” Hungarian journalists are not jailed as in some other countries “but rather, the concerns have take the form of concentrated media ownership and pronounced subsidies to state media.” She mentioned that Freedom House as of this year declared Hungarian media only partially free. Note that Bell here is not talking about public media (közszolgálati) but state media, which MTV and MR have become.

The next topic was the refugee crisis. She repeated what she told the journalist of Origo about a month ago: “every sovereign nation has the right to protect its borders,” but she added “every nation, as a part of the international community, also has a fundamental obligation to help refugee populations seeking safety.” She said that words of intolerance and the xenophobic labeling of refugees as invaders and antagonists “have no role in our efforts to find a solution.” The solution is working together within the European Union “to come up with a comprehensive, practical, and compassionate solution to this crisis.” She called upon Hungary to focus “on saving and protecting lives, ensuring the human rights of all migrants are respected, and promoting orderly and humane migration policies.”

I think I summarized the most important points Ambassador Bell made in this speech, so now I will turn to the reaction of the Hungarian government.

The first surprise was that MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) simply did not report on the event. Some naive Hungarian journalists interpreted the absence of such a report as a sign that the Hungarian government wasn’t aware that the ambassador would deliver a speech. As journalists they should know that news agencies are normally informed of such an event ahead of time. It is hard to imagine that the U.S. Embassy in Budapest and Corvinus University didn’t inform MTI about the ambassador’s forthcoming speech.

It seems, however, that the state television MTV’s M1 channel was there because during the early morning news today they reported extensively on Ambassador Bell’s speech from the event itself. I might add that the summary was detailed and accurate. On the other hand, MTI handled the news only in an indirect way. At 7:00 a.m. Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó made a statement to MTI in which he minimized the importance of the speech by claiming that there was nothing new in it. In a way he was right. These concerns have been expressed by the United States to the Hungarian government in private. The difference was that everything was now aired in public.

Szijjártó added that “since Hungary is not one of the states of the United States but a member state of the European Union, we discuss the questions mentioned by the ambassador with the European Union. Moreover, we had discussed them earlier [with the EU] and in fact we settled them.” A huge understatement of the real situation. In Szijjártó’s opinion “the United States would like to see many more immigrants in Europe and since Hungary is the only European country which could stop the flow of migrants at its borders the United States decided to bring up this issue now.” As far as I know, only the extreme right thinks that it is to the advantage of the United States to weaken Europe by encouraging millions of migrants from the Middle East and Africa.

MTI’s second news item that touched indirectly on Bell’s speech was a report on János Lázár’s regular Thursday press conference in which he made the following remark: Hungary will not “even at her request allow migrants to pass through the country or allow any migrants to settle.”

Tomorrow I will describe the response of the non-state Hungarian media to this important event. One thing is certain: Colleen Bell’s reputation has gone up quite a few notches in the eyes of journalists and political analysts in Hungary.

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Minusio
Guest

Bell’s speech is absolutely astounding! And I had thought, under Obama the US had abandoned foreign policy for good. I am glad I was wrong – at least in this case.

The sheepish government evasions are no surprise.

A small aside: The stream of refugees into Europe was in no small part caused by American governments destabilising large parts of the Near and Middle East. And America’s willingness to accept refugees seems to be at the bottom of the scale.

An
Guest

‘The stream of refugees into Europe was in no small part caused by American governments destabilizing large parts of the Near and Middle East. ”

Fair point. Plus add to that Russia’s hard work in the Near and Middle East. Not only the fairly recent Russian military involvement in the conflict, but also its long time support to regimes such as Syria’s Assad and the use of its veto power to at the UN to prevent any kind of political solution.

Minusio
Guest

Putin is the bad guy anyway. Russia is blocking lots of peaceful or peacekeeping solutions and so is China. China is in the security council because Nixon and Kissinger thought it a good idea at the time.

Putin’s Russia is still sanctioned because of the Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine, problems which are unresolved. The Russian economy is in shambles. But Putin (beware of short men!) wants to be back on the world stage. So he is building airfields, military bases and navy ports along the Syrian coast. And because we are ever so peaceful he knows he can get away with it.

Add Turkey’s unspeakable Erdogan and you see the whole holy mess…

Andrew Endrey
Guest

China has been one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (the victors in WW2) since 1946, initially the Republic of China under Chiang Kai-shek and after October 1971, the People’s Republic of China. Nixon and Kissinger may have thought it a good idea to transfer UN recognition to the PRC but so did much of the rest of the world, accepting that 800 million people in mainland China could hardly be represented by around 15 million on Taiwan.

Guest

And speaking of China someone in Europe has to be on the lookout for them building ‘reefs’ in the Mediterranean. I think that would cause a bit of trouble…;-)…China and Russia have been busy-bees recently and really they aren’t making honey.

bimbi
Guest

Congratulations to the US State Department for doing its job and to Ambassador Bell for presenting the message so clearly. After a quiet period so that contacts and relations could be established following Ambassador Bell’s appointment, State continues to speak. Nothing new, Mr. Szijjarto? Of course not because the same old Orban government circus continues – corruption, lies, secrecy, land distribution to the “friends”, stadia built on Hungary’s taxes, attacks against civil organizations (Janos Lazar, who can’t take “Wrong!” for an answer), the preparation for the elevation of Mr. Orban to the Buda Castle, the sickening self-serving routine of the Fidesz mafia in office. Would that there should be as strong a voice from Brussels.

bimbi
Guest

PS And do we remember the time just after Ambassador Bell’s appointment when she was a figure of fun in Hungarian government circles, when the macho Magyar ministerial men were going to twist “the dumb blonde TV producer” round their little fingers? As Anne Landers used to say, Guys, “wake and smell the coffee”. Ya gotta love it.

buddy
Guest

I found Szijjártó’s choice of words somewhat striking in regards to the issues with the EU that have supposedly been “settled”: “le is zártuk őket”. Does this phrasing from a Foreign Minister sound a bit arrogant and undiplomatic to anyone else?

Lutra lutra
Guest

To me it shows a certain upbringing. Daddy has made his views known so there’s nothing further to discuss. There are a lot of wives and children who suffer violence because they don’t understand what it means either, and not just in Hungary

spectator
Guest

Hmm… Just on what basis would you think that he would be – or better to say – could be anything, but “arrogant and undiplomatic”?

Well, you may have a point there if you do, because at the same time he qualifies for “blunt, unsophisticated and rude” as well, never mind such minor issues as “unprepared, uneducated for” and in general, out of his depth.

And he is responsible (OK., just a front for Orbán, but still) for the Hungarian foreign policy..!

Indeed, it’s frightening, but never mind: “Happy Halloween” folks!

(The bad news is, that Szijjártó will not change for the better in the foreseeable future, even if Halloween will be over, so, cope with it! You probably looking at the next Hungarian PM as well – if Orbán’s will goes through. And when it didn’t? The case of the trustworthy puppet and the puppeteer…)

Guest

Re: ‘You probably looking at the next Hungarian PM as well – if Orbán’s will goes through. And when it didn’t? The case of the trustworthy puppet and the puppeteer…)’

Ah the dynasty begins! You know I’d think for a fellow his age no doubt he has done well. My complaint is that I am not too sure he has had the feeling of ever being in a position where a decision he made caused him to say retch violently as he thought of consequences. High position equals high responsibilities you know?

At this point I’m not too sure if Pete has been say ‘blooded’ by meaningful battles. He, as well as others, appear to be individuals coming in with limited perspectives. And finally puppets at the last don’t last very long. It’s not only the strings that get in the way but they eventually do too. Accordingly, the life span of them are never encouraging!

spectator
Guest

Never mind, Viktor will pull the strings, just the same.
Otherwise he proved more than once his unyielding devotion to the case, but more importantly to the person he serves.

He even stated in some interview that he couldn’t even imagine such situation when he wouldn’t be loyal to Orbán..!

It speaks for itself, doesn’t it?

Remember, nobody with his/her own head has place in the government.

Recently rumours started to gain hold regarding Lázár’s ambitions, which is something to count with in Orbanistan, – well, if you are the ‘Capo di tutti Capi’, definitely worth to consider!

On the other side Péter Szijjártó is the ever loyal servant. More than Rogán, much more than Lázár.

And there isn’t anybody more with such a flexible spine and slimy manners, is there?

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to the speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will no doubt appear in Hungarian soon.

I’d like to know why petofi feels that Lázár will be gone in 3 or 4 months and whether others feel the same way. I know that Éva has suggested that Lázár might be a competitor for Orbán’s position as the top Fidesz fido.

(I earlier attempted to post this to the previous article.)

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to the speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will undoubtedly appear in Hungarian soon.

I’d like to know why petofi feels that Lázár will be gone in 3 or 4 months and whether others feel the same way. I know that Éva has suggested that Lázár might be a competitor for Orbán’s position as the top Fidesz fido.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to the speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will undoubtedly appear in Hungarian soon.

I’d like to know why petofi feels that Lázár will be gone in 3 or 4 months and whether others feel the same way. I know that Éva has suggested that Lázár might be a competitor for Orbán’s position as the Fidesz topdog.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to the speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will undoubtedly appear in Hungarian soon.

I’d like to know why petofi feels that Lázár will be gone in 3 or 4 months and whether others feel the same way. I know that Éva has suggested that Lázár might be a competitor for Orbán’s position as the top Fidesz fido!

MAGYARKOZÓ

nabro
Guest
Guest

Re” ‘the shuttered factories in Miskolc’

Won’t be surprised if in a few years if things keep going the way they are VO will have the Putin Metalworks humming again in the rusted out town. As the EU gets wise they just may close the wallet Hungary is picking moolah from. On the other hand they may have to know how to react if VO exits stage right and goes for the Putin golden coffers. Look for VO then to sing high with the democratic hosannas. Miskolc….another sacrificed pawn in the chess game of ruin.

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to her speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will undoubtedly appear in Hungarian soon.

I’d like to know why petofi feels that Lázár will be gone in 3 or 4 months and whether others feel the same way. I know that Éva has suggested that Lázár might be a competitor for Orbán’s position as the top Fidesz fido.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Webber
Guest

To Lazar’s comment:
Hungary will not “even at her request allow migrants to pass through the country or allow any migrants to settle.”

Bell, of course, said nothing about migrants. She was speaking about refugees. She said nothing whatsoever the fence. She specifically said each country has the undisputed right to protect its borders, as it sees fit.

What she criticized most strongly was the hate speech Hun. government media and officials have used against refugees.

Guest

London Calling!

“I also want to take this opportunity to applaud the leaders of the Hungarian government who have objected to raising a statue of Balint Homan in Szekesfehervar. His legacy as a proponent of some of the most venomous anti-Semitic legislation in the pre-war era casts a long shadow over the memory of those Hungarians victimized and killed during the Holocaust.”

I know, Eva, you summarised the most important bits, but I think this was a notable comment by Bell as well.

And, of course, you have covered this in one of your earlier posts but I think this must really rankle in the embassy especially in Szekesfehervar. She may even read your posts as a regular input to her briefings!

They returned Homan to Hungary and he was particularly close to Hitler and the Nazis. Shades of Horthy here – history ‘revision’.

Considering Orban’s occupation with iconography and rewriting of history this must rankle a lot in the higher echelons of Fidesz.

Well done Colleen!

Very brave! (If just a little too positively expressed for my liking!)

Regards

Charlie

An
Guest

And there is this from today’s news: “Orban Accuses Soros of Stoking Refugee Wave to Weaken Europe”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-30/orban-accuses-soros-of-stoking-refugee-wave-to-weaken-europe

Paranoia in high gear. I think many underestimate the threat Orban is posing to Europe. He is actively applying his hate mongering and divisive strategies now to divide the EU exploiting the refugee crisis to its fullest.

An
Guest

Actually, if you read the Hungarian reports, it was a lot steeper what he said. He claimed that it can’t be a coincidence that despite the best efforts of governments, secrets services and such there are still thousands of refugees are being transported to the EU. There is a coordinated plan in the background to build a cosmopolitan world and do away with nation states. The plan is conceived by well-organized , wealthy circles transcending national borders.
European leaders were not entrusted with taking in so many people with different cultural backgrounds. European leaders are not representing the people’s will (implying that they represent the wishes of these wealthy circles who concocted the plan to do away with national states). Europeans should be allowed to say what they think and a European-wide debate should be started on the issue. Europe is in danger.

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/10/30/orbannak_a_vilag-osszeeskuves_az_uj_illiberalis_allam/

This is actually the kind of conspiracy talk you hear on the far right Echo TV. I suspect some of the ideas originate from Russia. And Orban is seizing the moment.

An
Guest

Another splendid thought he brought up: Europe has been betrayed and if we don’t stand up for it, this Europe will be taken away from us.
” Árulás van.Európát elárulták, ha nem állunk ki érte, ezt az Európát el fogják venni tőlünk”

Guest

An, An & An:
“Orban Accuses Soros of Stoking Refugee Wave to Weaken Europe”

“There is a coordinated plan in the background to build a cosmopolitan world and do away with nation states.”

“Europe has been betrayed and if we don’t stand up for it, this Europe will be taken away from us.”

If he believes what he says he is mad. Otherwise he is panicking.

Webber
Guest

He is mad.
The only thing he did not do is name those he thinks made the coordinated plan.

An
Guest

You are right, but I think it is dangerous madness. He is playing on people’s fears. It worked in Hungary and I’m afraid with more refugees coming in to Europe, madness may spread to other countries.

He is also actively undermining the current EU leadership for political gains, probably hoping that Merkel loses her influence and maybe his Bavarian buddy will start running the show in Germany.

spectator
Guest

No, he is not panicking, he’s “simply” heating up sentiments – again – since there is not enough refugees in Hungary to be afraid of.

And somebody “must “ attack you, in order for the “saviour” to have something to do… Like “defend Europe” and the kind of BS.

However, I keep wondering, is there anybody out there, who can/will/ready to defend Europe from Orbán?

Time long overdue to come forward – in case there is someone!

Guest

Here’s a link to a site that “explains it all” – but be warned, this is heavy stuff. And sorry in advance to our Jewish friends here – Eva might delete that link if she thinks it’s inappropriate:
So not only the Bank of England but also the Hungarian National Bank is owned by – you know who.
https://europeanmediacentre.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/list-of-banks-owned-by-the-jewish-rothschild-family/
The comments there are even more atrocious – in Germany you’d go to jail for saying/writing this kind of stuff!
PS:
The link was posted on a British expat forum re Hungary and the “migration” – I couldn’t believe my eyes. Well, the admin closed that now.

exTor
Guest

I dont get you, wolfi. What’s the point of posting that link? It’s a 2-year-old piece put up by antisemites who cant spell. Big deal. We’ve all seen shit like that before. What does it have to do with anything that’s being discussed on this forum now?

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

It’s being used in the campaign against the “hordes of migrants” that “you know who” sends to Europe to destroy the Christian civilisation there …
Just read this thread before it gets deleted:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/hungary-140/migration-866439/
I’ve been active on that forum because I thought they were all nice people, but obviously I was wrong.

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to her speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will undoubtedly appear in Hungarian soon.

I’d like to know why petofi feels that Lázár will be gone in 3 or 4 months and whether others feel the same way. I know that Éva has suggested that Lázár might be a competitor for Orbán’s position as the top Fidesz fido!

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
Guest

“[Matthias Corvinus] brought the Renaissance to Hungary, introducing the humanist values of modern thinkers to this medieval kingdom.”

I hope the Fideszocracy picked up the Bell insult in the above. It may not have been advertent, but who knows. Probably was.

I cracked up reading it. Good start to her speech.

I was induced to read –actually a fast skim in many places– Colleen Bell’s speech because petofi said he had done so. For that, I had to slog through a barf-inducing suckup to Hungary for almost the first half of the speech.

After the leadup, the speech got better. Bell did a pretty good job of litanizing Hungary’s [read: Fidesz’s] shortcomings. Orbán’s ears were surely burning. The speech will undoubtedly appear in Hungarian soon.

MAGYARKOZÓ

spectator
Guest
However people, look at the bright side! At least the US expressed something clearly, what we – I, for one – waited for some months already. It may happens to be some kind of sign to those who’s been undecided so far. Or it isn’t. But still, it’s a way better than the lukewarm status quo we have experienced recently. Mind you, it may have quite a lot to do with the Polish situation than singularly with Hungary. Being a loony alone is one thing, gathering support and followers by being such is quite another. However, I would be much more optimistic if it happened a year ago, or thereabout. Since then our beloved Viktor managed to plant so many seeds of the nationalist – national socialist ideas around, that it going to be quite a job to neuter – if even possible! As the state of things shows, he managed to gain far too much support to my liking. Yes, of course, I’m aware that its mostly for satisfying personal/political gain, but all in all it’s an alarming tendency which must stopped. One way or another, but it must. Otherwise we may start preparing ourselves by reading history books… Read more »
History101
Guest

IMHO, NepperGatyas created a brilliant imitation speech of those fascist nazis ultras. Good job.

neppergatyás
Guest

The Jews. Again and again. They just can’t leave poor Hungary alone. Nothing changes.

This time the Jews are encouraging Arabs and other Islamic people to come to Europe to weaken it. The Jew will of course deny it, but that’s just a trick.

Orban says it, so it must be true. He is one of the most influential politicians in Europe so what he says is truth.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-30/orban-accuses-soros-of-stoking-refugee-wave-to-weaken-europe

Member

Dear Szarosgatyas, you cannot be serious? Please take your conspiracy bs and shove it you know where! Orban is not influential, he just makes a spectacle to get the attention he wants. Its no more than what a 4 year old does to get attention. If this is what impresses you, that is what the problem is. His political games are dangerous to Hungary and Europe as a whole because people like you love the class clown. Sorry Eva, but these trolls get the attention they want because they are allowed to post their crap everywhere all over the internet.

Guest

@Liz:
Surely “gatyás” meant his comment as a satire on latefor and the other lunatics …
But you’re right, there are constipation theories (my little joke … 🙂 ) about this on the net – lots of them …

webber
Guest

Liz – I also understood nepper’s comment as satire. S/he is to be commended for making explicit what is implicit in Orban’s words. Orban did not say it so directly – his good friend Zsolt Bayer would, though. And everyone on the right understood precisely what Orban meant (what nepper made explicit).

tappanch
Guest

Orban spoke again on October 30, 2015.

“The composition of the Constitutional Court is not an accident. The court is as important as the Parliament. It has a Christian Democrat (tappanch: or rather a Dark Age Feud-istian and anti-Democratic) majority and value system and it will enforce the Basic Law that was created by Fidesz and KDNP together.

http://nol.hu/belfold/orban-europat-elarultak-1572333

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