Zsolt Németh’s advice to the U.S. State Department

This is what happens if you go away for three days. You come back to find that the U.S. government has a simple binary choice as far as the refugee question in Europe is concerned. Either the White House follows the left-liberal solution of George Soros or it shares the views of the East European countries, which recommend a policy aimed at making Europe safe from Islamic terrorism. The former option leads to anarchy; the latter, to better relations between the United States and the countries of Eastern Europe.

This in a nutshell is the opinion of Zsolt Németh, whom western observers have viewed as a moderate, a man who considers U.S.-Hungarian relations important, and who has often criticized foreign policy steps of the newly reconstructed ministry of foreign affairs and trade under the nominal leadership of Péter Szijjártó. Nominal, because we all know that nothing happens in that ministry that doesn’t reflect the ideas and designs of Viktor Orbán.

So, what happened? In both the first and second Orbán governments Németh was the undersecretary of the foreign ministry, which basically means that he was the deputy foreign minister. But the newly reconstructed ministry had no place for Zsolt Németh, an old friend of Viktor Orbán dating back to their student days. He was one of the handful of people who established Fidesz as a student movement in 1988. After his forced retirement from the foreign ministry, he was apparently offered a job in Brussels as the head of the Hungarian embassy to the European Union. But, sensing that the office would not have any significant influence on the course of Hungarian foreign policy, he opted for the chairmanship of the parliamentary committee on foreign affairs instead.

Németh is no longer a critic of the Hungarian foreign policy that was formulated by Viktor Orbán and that came into full bloom after Péter Szijjártó became foreign minister. In fact, judging from his recent statements, he supports the present course wholeheartedly. What changed his mind? I suspect he fell prey to the seeming success of Viktor Orbán’s handling of the refugee crisis. At the moment he believes that the European Commission led by Jean-Claude Juncker and backed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel will not be able to get support for their policies and consequently will fail. Sentiment will start to shift toward Viktor Orbán’s ideas, so the Hungarian government should stick with Orbán’s plans come hell or high water. “The defense of the outside borders is a Hungarian brand that must be jealously guarded” and, I guess, broadly promoted.

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Németh was taken aback by the latest American message delivered by U.S. Ambassador Colleen Bell. From an interview with Népszabadság it looks as if he totally misunderstood the relative quiet in U.S.-Hungarian relations that set in with the arrival of Bell as ambassador and thus accuses the United States of returning to the “Goodfriend era.” Which he considers a big mistake. A wrong policy move. Instead of criticizing Hungary, the United States should “recognize the new situation that has presented itself in 2015” in the whole region. The United States “should look at East-Central Europe through appropriate glasses” because it is on the wrong track. Németh warns the United States that at present “a radical political rearrangement is taking place in the region” which Washington should recognize. In case U.S. policymakers don’t quite know what Németh is talking about, he explains that the tremendous electoral victory of Fidesz in 2014 and the results of the Polish election a couple of weeks ago indicate that a serious right-wing swing is taking place in Eastern Europe. The United States should simply accept that fact. Németh is warning Washington: don’t try to play the overseer of democratic norms here. You will only burn yourself.

Although I always doubted Németh’s commitment to the Euro-Alantic alliance, at least I used to think that he was politically sophisticated. But anyone who singles out George Soros as the chief culprit of the migrant crisis is not only creating an alternate reality but is also laying the Hungarian government open to charges of anti-Semitism. Of course, Németh is only echoing his boss. Viktor Orbán blames Soros for the crisis and accuses him of wanting to ruin Christian Europe by insisting on the integration of asylum seekers for demographic and economic reasons.

Anti-Semitism may not be explicitly voiced but, as László Kéri, a political scientist and former professor of Orbán, said on ATV on Monday night, Soros is the embodiment of the wealthy Jewish American. So when Orbán attacks Soros, everybody knows what he is talking about, even though he doesn’t say it outright. He is fanning anti-capitalism, anti-Semitism, and anti-Americanism. Far-right publications are already full of lists of state department officials of Jewish origin. And the pro-government Magyar idők says that “Soros’s partner-in-crime directs the U.S. ambassador.” The innocent non-Jewish American ambassador is being manipulated. At least this is what the author of an editorial in Süddeutsche Zeitung thinks. Orbán’s dragging Soros into this discourse is a case of anti-Semitism pure and simple.

One thing is sure. Supporters of European far-right parties find Viktor Orbán’s messages very attractive. A politician of the far-right Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ) quoted Orbán’s accusations against Soros approvingly on Facebook. The usual anti-Semitic comments followed: Zionist Jewish financiers are supporters of the immigrants and “rich American Jews take revenge for centuries of Jewish persecution in Europe.” The politician agreed, adding that she as a politician cannot voice such opinions but she is glad to read the brave and independent thoughts of others. The result: the politician was forced out of the party. Not even FPÖ would tolerate that kind of behavior. This is how far right Orbán has moved, even if only through coded messages.

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Zorgas
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Zsolt Nemeth may face more toward the United States than toward Russia (unlike some of his close buddies in Fidesz), but he is still firmly in the Hungary for ethnic Hungarian camp, and his fondness for a culturally and ethnically pure Hungary is nothing new. He has long been a champion of the ethnic Hungarian cause, cautioning again the military conscription of enlistment of ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine and arguing for a Europe of nations, rather than political states as in this 2014 article http://hungarytoday.hu/news/zsolt-nemeth-hungary-wants-europe-regions-77029. Granted, he wasn’t demonizing Andre Goodfriend at the time, and even seems to have politely invited Mr. Goodfriend to speak to the Parliament about bilateral relations, rather than demanding that he be summoned like others were doing.

However, Zsolt Nemeth’s focus on safeguarding the national heritage in Europe goes way back, as evidences by his speech to the Parliament about the declarations of the Hungarian Status Conference in 2001 https://src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/coe21/publish/no4_ses/chapter04.pdf

With Zsolt Nemeth’s rhetoric and that of Viktor Orban referenced by Wolfi yesterday http://bbj.hu/politics/orban-family-considered-taboo-in-europe_106712, it’s harder and harder to see the difference between the Fidesz perspective and that of the racist “Future of Europe” conference banned by the Hungarian government last year http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29503378

Eliezer
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Reading the first half of the article, I thought: “Oh, at last even Eva Balogh can be fair to Orban!” But no, she has ended poorly. Do we, the Jews, should to support any Jew by default? Bela Kun (though only part-Jewish)? His bloody friend Rosalia Zamliachka, and they (with Piatakov) became mass killers in Crimea? Mátyás Rákosi? Trotsky?

Soros has become enormously rich, and he single-handedly buys deep political changes that fit to his personal taste. He plays games with peoples’ fates and undemocratically influences political realities. Orban is leading the European resistance to the craze of Merkel and Soros. If he succeeds to keep Hungarian borders safe and to influence the rest of Europe, the political status of Hungary will go up tremendously. In my humble opinion.

Gardonista
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Ha ha! You’re so cute Eliezer. Yes, the choice is between Trotsky and Orban! There’s nothing in between!

That’s a hilarious parody of Orban’s neo-Soviet rhetoric. Thanks for the humor!

fid-fit-eli
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Humor in history.
Soros/Open Society prepaired ending the MSZP era in 1989.
Soros may have to repeat this act in 2015, and bring down the current regime.

exTor
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I like Trotsky. He did a lot of good things.

It’s too bad that you lead today’s post parade, Eliezer. Not sure if you are a real Jew or a symbolic Jew. Your ‘nom de poste’ [Eliezer] suggests that you may be a bonafide Jew. Regardless, your words are racist, which is hard to believe, but that’s life in a complex world, where even Jews can be honest-to-goodness racists and fascists. Plenty of them in Israel. And elsewhere.

Not necessarily talking about you, though
you may indeed harbor fascist sympathies.

So what if Soros has got a lot of money. He’s saying the right things. And we too say the right things, regardless of our respective finances.

Orbán is a political manipulator. He has used the refugee situation for his own (and Fidesz’s) benefit. He continues to use the refugees to reinforce Hungarian racism that (because it is couched in Christianity terms) is fundamentally antiJewish and antiMuslim. And antiRoma.

Eliezer, you are one of Orbán’s ‘house niggers’.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Eliezer
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exTor
November 6, 2015 at 1:00 am

Just to see a modern “liberal”, a sample of the “tolerance” and respect to opinions of others!

I like Trotsky. He did a lot of good things.

Of course. He sent Bela Kun, Zemliachka and Piatokov to organize mass killings of about 50 thsd. people in Crimea! He was less known for being a mass murderer than Stalin, just because he had less opportunities!

Eliezer, you are one of Orbán’s ‘house niggers’. …even Jews can be honest-to-goodness racists and fascists. Plenty of them in Israel. And elsewhere…. Not necessarily talking about you, though you may indeed harbor fascist sympathies.

The person who has no intellectual ability for a real debate always good in offending. I am a “racist and fascist”, but that is Mr. exTor who uses the word “niggers”. And in his opinion on Israel he shows himself as a plain anti-Semite.

exTor
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Make no mistake, Éva, Zsolt Németh is no less savvy than you, who “used to think that he was politically sophisticated”, but no longer seems to be. Perhaps Németh is seeking to ingratiate himself with Orbán by muting his criticisms, or by entirely stifling them. Bedumbing the message is one way of recementing his relationship with Orbán. George Soros is the perfect target: Hungarian, capitalist, Jew. What better way to grab the attention of the Magyars. Antisemitism (albeit implied in the case of Soros) has always been a potent political weapon. The European refugee crisis is far from over. Orbán’s fencing acts look good to many people. Orbán will use the fact of the rightward shift of the Polish electorate to buttress his own political position within Europe. The antiimmigrant mood of Poland is further reflected by the rise of the third-place finisher in the Polish elections. That ‘party’, not yet formally registered as a political entity, did not exist prior to this election. It is the equivalent of Jobbik and is led by a former ‘punk’ musician. So it goes in Europe. Merkel is under a lot of pressure with her open-borders policy. She has backpedaled somewhat already. We’ll… Read more »
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I have commented before on HS about Orbán and Soros, and I will repeat that back when Orbán was a fledgling politician, visiting New York as a guest of Soros, our illustrious and noble PM ended his stay by wishing his colleagues (also young Fideszers) “a Jew-free goodnight!” That was back in 1998. So his anti-Soros campaign is nothing new and simply a continuation of his illiberal nastiness based on nothing more than envy – not just of wealth, but of something much deeper- a generosity of spirit implicit in all philanthropists. Orbán and his puppets are now more and more at liberty to behave in the same way that neighbours of Jews behaved in WWII, by entering the homes of their absent neighbours and stealing everything they could lay their greedy hands on. Orbán is doing the same only more cunningly, by fabricating new laws to destroy personal targets of his envy and animosity, and all the while pretending to be a decent member of a democratic alliance, the EU. By allowing him to do so, as the EU does, it is destroying the very principles on which the EU was established. The refugee crisis has exposed the essence… Read more »
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magyar2lips (November 6, 2015 at 2:11 am):

“Orbán and his puppets are now more and more at liberty to behave in the same way that neighbours of Jews behaved in WWII, by entering the homes of their absent neighbours and stealing everything they could lay their greedy hands on.”

There must have been at least hundred thousand children witnessing the robbing and occupation of jewish homes. Has any of them at a mature age described the experience in Hungarian literature?

bimbi
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“There must have been at least hundred thousand children witnessing the robbing and occupation of Jewish homes. Has any of them at a mature age described the experience in Hungarian literature?”

Jean P: I address your question. The Hungarian Auschwitz survivor Vera Forster (Förster Véra) has written a book dealing with her life experiences entitled “A Daughter of Her Century” [The Clucker Press, Southampton, UK, ISBN-13: 978-0-9549256-8-0] in which she describes returning to her parents’ house after the war and being invited for coffee by their old neighbours. The coffee and cakes were served on her parents strawberry-patterned coffee set which had then found a new home. One of the acutely poignant parts of this very moving book. The book has also been published in Hungarian but I do not have the details to hand.

bimbi
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Jean P:
I should like to quote a little more from Vera Forster’s book concerning the family house, visited by her sister and her husband:

“My father’s house was undamaged but empty. The furniture had gone as well as the bedding, clothes, the rugs and curtains from the rooms, the pots and pans from the kitchen. Light switches had been torn from the walls and someone had even removed a window pane. Nothing but the bare walls remained.
It was more or less what they had expected. The family to whom the house had been allocated as ‘abandoned Jewish property’ had fled, and hatred and poverty had done the rest. What they wanted to know was whether any of the neighbours had heard of my fate.
But the neighbours had been hostile. They didn’t want to open their doors and denied having seen or heard anything. “Leave me alone!” one of them shouted at my sister. “More Jews came back from Germany than went there, more’s the pity!””

This has such a terrible contemporary ring.

bimbi
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“There must have been at least hundred thousand children witnessing the robbing and occupation of Jewish homes. Has any of them at a mature age described the experience in Hungarian literature?”

Jean P: I address your question. The Hungarian Auschwitz survivor Vera Forster (Förster Véra) has written a book dealing with her life experiences entitled “A Daughter of Her Century [The Clucker Press, Southampton, UK, ISBN-13: 978-0-9549256-8-0] in which she describes returning to her parents’ house after the war and being invited for coffee by their old neighbours. The coffee and cakes were served on her parents strawberry-patterned coffee set which had then found a new home. One of the acutely poignant parts of this very moving book. The book has also been published in Hungarian but I do not have the details to hand.

exTor
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This is brilliant, as Brits are wont to say, M2L, however until this Orbán ‘fact’ is attested, it is just rumor, mere hearsay. Short of finding a copy of the damning video, is there any way you can think of to nail this bit of info to the wall? It would be great antiOrbán ammunition.

Midway along your post, M2L, you write that “Orbán … does not believe anything he himself says”.

While it is true that Orbán, like many politicians, “will say whatever works to get more votes and more power”, as you stated, it would be incorrect to suggest that Orbán possibly does not believe the antisemitic implications of his antiSoros statements.

You are potentially absolving Orbán of antisemitism.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Spillie
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very well said Magyar2lips!I totally agree:my hope was Frans Timmermans in the last formed European Commission(and Sophie in ‘t Veld.It’s unbelievable what the EU and the USA tolerate.Just words….Maybe Colleen Bell changed the trend….action is needed:convictions.

indy
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It’s fascinating that one of the themes of anti-semitism is that the jews “manipulate”. They aren’t doing it themselves but somehow always seduce gentiles (Ms. Bell) to do the thing. When Németh and other purported “centrists” and “Atlanticists” (ie. party troopers masquerading as “conservative but reasonable gentlemen”) speak they always mix two things: they reliably follow the written propaganda lines and they also display their idiocy, their misunderstanding of the situation. These people, including Pröhle, Martonyi, Szájer do believe in the liberal-jewish media conspiracy (even if they don’t always say it loudly) and of course they diligently spread the prescribed meme of the day as per the party directives, today it’s Soros and the Open Society Foundation which would allow the free flow of Arabs etc. What outsiders often fail to see is that the current Fidesz, including Németh etc. is a result of an evolution. Only those people are with Fidesz, even if the job is irrelevant in practice, who – in a kind of Darwinian survival of the fittest – proved themselves to be absolutely loyal to Orban and his dictums. There are no exceptions. The Fidesz is more monolithic than MSZMP (the Hungarian communist party) was in… Read more »
Webber
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Pröhle has never criticized the Orban government, and has been all but openly anti-Semitic at diplomatic dinners after a little wine. You are absolutely right about him – he believes that there is a world conspiracy of Jews, and that if you send a message to one Jew, the rest will hear it.

YoYo
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The future of Hungarian politics.

From lefr to right. Andras Stumpf (mandiner.hu, ie. Fidesz), Gabor Vona (Jobbik), Bence Tuzson (Fidesz), Ferenc Baja (MSZP) and Andras Schiffer (LMP)

http://martonbede.tumblr.com/post/132656437409/b%C3%BCszke-vagyok-hogy-magyar-f%C3%A9rfi-lehetek-m%C3%A9g-ha

exTor
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MAGYAR SZARZSÁKOK

Thanx for the four-one-one (a North American term) on the current shitbag lineup of mugs shot in that bar. The only puss I knew was Vona’s.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Webber
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I don’t understand one thing: Why the US should be required to make any choice or to offer any help whatsoever in resolving Europe’s refugee problem?
I don’t recall the EU offering to take Cuban refugees, or Mexican migrants, or refugees from lawlessness in numerous Central American countries who have come to the United States in massive numbers year after year after year for decades and decades. No help has ever been offered, though the EU is enormously rich. I certainly don’t remember Orban’s people offering any.
I also note that Colleen Bell said nothing about Hungary’s decisions. She only criticized hate speech against refugees. She said nothing about the fence, or anything related to it.
Németh’s choice is just another Fidesz lie to add to all the others.

takahashi
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This “choice” is just part of the Hungarian narrative. In this sense the US is just an entity which must fit into the current domestic political narrative (of which the “immigrants” are just one element) put forward by Fidesz. Just like when Orban played with IMF (was it formal negotiations or just polite meetings etc.): IMF was successfully involved into the domestic narrative. It was a terrible monster which Orban then duly defeated.

This “choice” narrative is for the domestic audience who will “demand” from the US to make that “choice”.

These fideszniks essentially demand that the US acknowledge and acquiesce to Hungary as an Orban fiefdom where he is free to rule (and as a Russian client state). According to Fidesz this status-quo should the base-line of the relationship between the two contries. If the US can be friendly with Saudi torturers (because they have oil and buy US arms) etc. then Orban must also be respected and left alone.

“The choice” isn’t relevant in any substantive sense. But it is very relevant in the war of narratives – which politics is all about.

Istvan
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I agree with the thrust of Webber’s post on Ambassdor Bell’s articulation of our (USA’s) policy on immigration and border security in Europe and Hungary.

Matt_L
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Exactly. As an American who grew up in Southern California, I have seen all the problems and the great benefits of migration first hand. I have been witness to both the successes and failures of our government’s immigration policy. The various branches of the US government and its citizens have a lot of experience with immigration. We have more experience with this than Hungary or the EU combined. It might be a good idea for people like Nemeth, Orban, and others to take a look at the American experience while crafting a European Policy towards mass migration and refugees. I don’t think the Hungarians or Europeans should copy our policies, but maybe learn from our successes and failures.

GW
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I wonder if Orban resents Soros so much because it was with Soros money that Orban was given a scholarship to Oxford where he failed to earn a degree, in no small part because of his limited skills in English.

exTor
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I presume that Viktor Orbán was on your hitlist by the time that you wrote your first Hungarian Spectrum piece in June 2007. What were your thoughts about Orbán when you heard him speak in Washington?

Perhaps (if you haven’t already done so, Éva) you could do an article no how Viktor Orbán came to your negative attention.

MAGYARKOZÓ

direx
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Nemzeti tetkók (tatoos with nationalist themes)

http://nemzetitetko.tumblr.com/

exTor
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This has ZERO relevance to anything here. To me, this is TROLL LITE. What’s the point of this link? Those on the inside look like they could be inside either Jobbik or Fidesz. I wouldn’t cry if Éva deepsixed this putup.

MAGYARKOZÓ

spectator
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Well, I don’t know.
To me, who rarely travels to Hungary and even then somehow manage to miss those parts where these specimens being kept, it’s rather informative.
I couldn’t by God imagine the level of intellectual deficit what being presented here, honestly.
I particularly liked the word “ABBA” inked on some female’s back – using the Szekler runic script..!
How can anyone be more “nationalistic” than that?

Guest

Even here in the main town Keszthely, in the center of the pedestrian zone (Kossuth ut) is a shop that sells all the extreme right paraphernalia – maps of Greater Hungary and so on …
Of course I’ve never been in it, just looking at the decorations outside gives us the creeps – or makes us laugh, depending on the mood …

webber
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Downtown Budapest has loads of those shops. There’s one on Jozsef Attila u. at Erzsebet ter, for instance. There are several near Astoria.

Guest

Yes, but in a tourist town like Keszthely?

Another OT story – with a twist:

Did you read about the absolutely new Ferrari LaFerrari (no kiddding …) worth more than a million € that was crashed by his proud owner on Váci utca in Budapest?
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ferrari-laferrari-crash-in-hungary-is-painful-to-watch-video-101718.html
Now here’s the twist:
That car had Slovakian licence plates and the first thing the owner did after the crash? He removed those immediately …
I’ve written about this before (and seen it in Budapest myself):
Many Hungarian owners of expensive cars have Slovakian licence plates because of tax reasons – probably the cars are owned on paper by a Slovak company …
To show that they’re real Hungarians, they often carry a map of Greater Hungary – maybe that tells the police to lay off?
I’m still wondering:
Are these people Jobbiks or Fideszniks?

Tyrker
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The owner of that LaFerrari is an Italian businessman living in Hungary.

Guest

An Italian Mafioso living in Hungary with Slovak licence plates on his car?
Really strange – only in Orbanistan!

Normally the laws in Hungary are very strict regarding ownership and driving cars. I gave my second car to my wife’s son on “permament loan” but they were stopped by police who told them that it was only possible to drive a car with a licence plate from another EU country for 24 hours and he had to confiscate the car …
Only when he saw the baby in the back seat he relented and gave him the advice to have me sign a new permission for every day they wanted to use the car – so in the end I “sold” the car to him and he “imported” it into Hungary …

PS:
I also thought about getting a Hungarian licence plate for my car – insurance is cheaper, but I was told that’s impossible as long as I’m registered with a primary residence in Germany, which is obviously better for me.

So the whole thing is really fishy – corruption as usual in Orbanistan and it seems most Hungarians are used to it now and accept it …

exTor
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POSTS NOT SHOWING !!!
None of the posts to the Árpád Göncz
article are materializing for me today.

Way back when, in Ontario a car owner could allow a person to drive that owner’s car, the only proviso being that the ownership and proof of insurance were in the vehicle. Of course, the new driver (who was automatically insured) had to have a valid driver’s licence.

The Hungarian law regarding foreign vehicles isn’t bad. It keeps people from registering out-of-country despite living in Hungary. On the other hand, it seems too onerous, as was the case with your son-in-law needing daily permissions to be able to legally drive your car, wolfi.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Sure, exTor – but this strict interpretation must be relatively new and …
What about all those cars with Slovak licence plates being driven (and owned?) by Hungarians?
It’s surely no coincidence that they’re big SUVs or Porsches or Ferraris …

PS:
Tyrker told us that the Ferrari in the accident belonged to an Italian “businessman” living in Hungary – again then, how come the car had Slovak plates?

Something’s very rotten in the state of Orbanistan …
But we know already that corruption is rampant here – seems people just accept it!

Member

Do you remember the guy who threatened the woman driver of the car that gave a lift to two other women, two small children and a man refugee close to Budapest? He was driving a Porsche with Slovakian license plates too.

spectator
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“Are these people Jobbiks or Fideszniks?”

Who’s to know? Anyway, is there any significant difference?
From here it looks pretty much the same kind…

Normally I don’t afraid from darkness – from the external version, due to the absence of light, – but let me tell you, this kind is truly frightening!

Even start to be embarrassing to understand the language and being able to read the comments all over any Hungarian site whit such feature.
Yes, I know it goes pretty well in English too, but stil, there is some statistical disadvantage.

Brave “new” Hungary..!

Guest

Re: Nemzeti tetkok

A musical interlude…

http://youtu.be/rI0cfzAF4as

exTor
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Thanx for the interlude, Rikard. I like The Who. Never heard this piece though. The Who played Toronto 23 times [1966–2015] and I saw the group in June 1989, which was either the 14th or the 15th time in TO.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Thanks ex Tor. Thought I’d slip their contribution in. The tattoos we see I think can be considered a reality important now in the Magyar experience where symbols are deemed to be needed to reinforce a sort of ‘identity’ within the populace themselves who for some reason feel the wagons need to be lagered
because of perhaps perceived threats.

The tattoos appear to shout defiance and strength with the lock that it perhaps gives to so-called ‘identity’. Ok. But is that the best of Hungarian ‘identity?’ The saga continues in Hungary’s quest in developing ‘choices’ as to the roads they wish to take. Question is will they perhaps be ‘fooled again?’ There could be plenty of music certainly left in that Who chorus if events continue on their way. Just saying.

direx
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Nemzeti torta (the most beautiful cakes, mostly with nationalist themes)

http://nemzetitorta.tumblr.com/

Guest

This Fidesz-fascination with Soros is really remarkable – he’s surely not the only rich American, nor amongst the richest Jews …
Why don’t they worry and analyse where Csányi’s immense wealth is from?
http://bbj.hu/business/otp-ceo-chairman-sandor-csanyi-still-richest-hungarian_65771
And I remember that he also made it on the list of richest men in the world right now – still looking for the link …

exTor
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Why doesn’t Fidesz worry about “Csányi’s immense wealth”? Probably because he’s not Jewish and probably because he has never explicitly spoken against Hungary, probably not even implicitly.

Fidesz doesn’t worry the wealth of Soros. Fidesz doesn’t care about its source, just that it [the wealth] is being used against Fidesz Magyarország.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Istvan
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Wolfi I think Orban’s obsession with Soros is also based on Fidesz’s fear of the agenda of the Open Society Foundation in Hungary which can be read in this document https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/grants/hungary-project-20150610 Orban knows what really holds his rule together is the allocation of corruption within the Mafia state, he knows his government can’t provide basic human services for the three million Hungarians in poverty and hand out perks to his corrupt Fidesz followers simultaneously. In particular I find the Open Society Foundation’s support for what is called palliative care for severely disabled children in Hungary to be commendable. Palliative care summarized is the relief of suffering for the body, mind, and spirit of those facing life-limiting illness and disability. It includes expert care to ease pain and other distressing symptoms, and emotional, social, and spiritual support. In short, it seeks to support both the children and their families in Hungary who are abandoned by the state under the assumption that a monthly check for about $180 a month is the limit of the Hungarian state’s obligation for social support to these children and their families. I think the Open Society Foundation’s work in the area of palliative care in Hungary… Read more »
Zorgas
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Zsolt Nemeth’s ethnocentric perspective is nothing new. He has been on the front lines of this great ethnic Hungarian nation discussion for decades, whether talking to Parliament in 2001 about the cultural integrity of the “Hungarians” living outside Hungary’s borders (https://src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/coe21/publish/no4_ses/chapter04.pdf) or in 2014 when he was promoting a Europe of ethnic regions rather than political states (http://hungarytoday.hu/news/zsolt-nemeth-hungary-wants-europe-regions-77029). And one of the characteristics of this ethnic nationalist perspective, is its “us” and “them” exclusionary tone. When they are relaxed, they will talk about Hungarians AND Jews coexisting, but not the same. They exclude Jews from the body of the “Christian” Hungarian nation. Jews are “the other;” they are not like us. And like any foreign infestation seeking shelter in the national body, they can be marginalized and blamed for whatever problems exist. Zsolt Nemeth, and those others who want to safeguard the pure Hungarian nation, with all its virtues and its ancient rustic and innocent culture and character, cannot accept any national fault except that the Hungarians are too trusting, and too easily made the victim by more cosmopolitan and cunning peoples. Hungarians must always be on their guard. They argue that an America that argues for inclusion and diversity… Read more »
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Re: ‘Nemeth is warning Washington: don’t try to play the overseer of democratic norms here. You will only burn yourself’.

To our Ambassador: Make sure to get the firecoat on. Treat Magyarorszag as a toxic building and you will never be disappointed with the pyrotechnics.

And like fire the apparent obsessions of ‘zsidok and penz’ and ‘penz and zsidok’ will surely kill that small nation. A deadly psychopathology envelopes the country. That fixation always seems to be useful in concentrating minds wonderfully over there. Looks like the great ‘go-to’ principle of Hungarian statecraft.

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Dear Eva@ The great leader offered Nemeth the Ambassadorship in Washington, DC not Brussels. I am correcting you for the sole reason that it’s relevant for your topic of today. A couple of short notes on that. 1.) It could not be Brussels for many reasons. Disregard his long service as an MP Zsolt has no clue about the wheeling and dealings of the EU. A European country like Hungary by and large has five ambassadorial positions in Belgium: the bilateral, NATO, the PSC and the Coreper I are way below his recent ranks. The fifth, the Coreper II, or Perm Rep is well beyond his qualifications. (Eva, BTW, do you remember the “man behind” photo in of the PM in Brussels whom you thought that he was a bodyguard? Well, that was the former Coreper II ambassador who now serves the same post in Berlin.) 2.) Many here express doubts about his transatlantic commitment. I agree. You should know the main purpose of his regular visits to the US. That is Hungarians beyond the borders (like hacusa), a focus not considerably different from his regular mingling with Transylvania, Vojvodina, etc. To my surprise, NZs was not present at this… Read more »
petofi
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The torturous mind of Hungaricoes is hard to follow: so, Orban claims a Jewish-left-conspiracy yet…(apparently) Netanyahu and Orban are best pals and ‘birds of a feather’.

How does that work again?

petofi
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Although I am for the separation of Church and State, let’s give a prayer for Merkel–as fine a person and leader as Europe has had the good fortune to have these past 10 years. Her ‘misstep’ of the open invitation was fundamentally a gesture of goodwill, but she, for once, did not appear to grasp the evil forces behind the flooding many.

Now, let’s hope that the policy of prompt repatriation will put a dent in the avidity of ‘migrants’ to flood into Europe; and that Merkel will be allowed to lead Germany and Europe for many years to come.

Istvan
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After the selfies: Angela Merkel’s migrant dilemma from The Washington Post today discussed the misstep by Merkel and the fall out in Germany. It can be read at http://wpo.st/-Zql0

I think to tone of the article really reflects the more pragmatic approach towards refugees here in the USA, with what the article depicts I would say as less than pragmatic approach in Germany under Merkel. There is nothing new factually in the article but the tone captures the perspective of many of us over here in the USA including myself who are at the least skeptical of the concept of open borders.

Paul
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OT, as seemingly always with me – but I can’t help contrasting the situation regarding corruption in Hungary with that of the country next door.

Hungarians traditionally look down on Romania as a second-rate country, but can anyone ever imagine a Laura Codruţa Kövesi being able to do what she’s done there in Hungary? Or the effect of her work being to stir up a popular backlash against corruption that then leads to the government’s downfall?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/woman-leading-war-on-corruption-romania

Zorgas
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Zsolt Nemeth and the rest of the Fidesz crew may be so caught up in the myth of the noble Hungarian nation that lies and corruption in the service of the state are just part of doing the job. However, with that in mind, they are consistent. Jews, like gays, are tolerated as long as they are not too conspicuous and know their place. But, they should never think that they are part of the real nation and its mores. They will argue that they aren’t anti-Semitic, only pro-Hungarian, not recognizing that this ethnic exclusionary myth of the Hungarian nation, particularly since they talk about the Christian Hungarian nation coexisting with the Jews rather than being made up of Jews and non-Jews, is as anti-Semitic as its turanean antecedent in the 1930s.

Increasingly, the Fidesz world view reflects that of the National Policy Institute, the racist American whose “Future of Europe” conference was banned in Hungary last year. Perhaps it was banned because they would have alienated their followers by speaking out against it.

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