Angela Merkel and Germany from the perspective of the Hungarian right. Part I

German-Hungarian relations are troubled, due primarily to Viktor Orbán’s relentless attacks on Chancellor Angela Merkel, whom he accuses of being largely responsible for the arrival of close to a million asylum-seekers in Europe. On one occasion he denounced her for “moral imperialism,” and he even meddled in internal German politics when he sided with Horst Seehofer, minister president of Bavaria, in his debate on the migrant question with Merkel. A few days ago vs.hu learned from reliable sources that a scheduled meeting between Angela Merkel and Viktor Orbán at the Malta summit was cancelled at the last minute by the German side. Apparently several meetings between German and Hungarian ministers were also cancelled during the month of November.

The pro-government media naturally follows Viktor Orbán’s lead, so anti-German, specifically anti-Merkel, articles abound in the Hungarian press. Back in October Zsolt Bayer, the prolific anti-Semitic, foul-mouthed hack, wrote an open letter to Angela Merkel in four parts in which he called her a liar who mixes up “the friendly face of the European Union with the snicker of slobbering idiots.” Hungarians who are angrily watching this refugee crisis unfold don’t understand how Angela Merkel could  join “those who are destroying Europe.” He labeled her an untalented person who in no way can be compared to Konrad Adenauer or Helmut Kohl. The Germans who now promise to integrate the refugees from the Middle East didn’t even manage, in 25 years, to integrate the East Germans. The former GDR is today a wasteland with hopeless old people. “So, what are you talking about?,” Bayer asks Merkel. “You are not a doddering leader of an embroidery club.” But listening to some of her idiocies, one can question her sanity.

In Bayer’s opinion the “soul of the German nation was crushed after World War II and all [Germans] are victims of a tragic mistake.” Germany’s political leaders think that divesting the Germans of national character or rights is the only antidote to Nazism. This is nonsense. Instead, Merkel should utter the “magic word, ENOUGH.”

Well, one can say that Zsolt Bayer cannot be taken seriously. He loves to hear his own voice and tries to shock. Still, one must not forget that Bayer is “one of them,” one of the founders who brought Fidesz into being. And, by the look of things, he remains close to Viktor Orbán.

This must be Schmidt's favorite picture. She herself picked it for this article

This must be Schmidt’s favorite picture. She herself picked it for this article

Using Bayer’s rants as a reasonably reliable source for the thinking of the top leadership is justified by a long tirade by Mária Schmidt on the same topic. One would think that one cannot top Bayer. Well, Mária Schmidt managed. The “learned” historian, the close adviser of Viktor Orbán, spewed out her venom not only against Merkel but also against Germany. In her essay she goes as far as to glorify the communist interlude that made East Europeans superior to the effeminate westerners. Schmidt has never sunk so low to please her boss. A complete translation of this incredible piece would be warranted to understand the Hungarian right’s current mindset.

Schmidt’s essay is titled “Útban az önmegsemmisítés felé” (On the road to self-destruction). The title bears a striking resemblance to that of Thilo Sarrazin’s book, Deutschland schafft sich ab (Germany destroys itself), which created such a controversy when it was published in 2010. Because of the length of the piece I will concentrate here only on passages relating to Angela Merkel, Germany, and western attitudes toward “the inferior” easterners.

The first staggering claim is that western politicians were “irate” when East Europeans didn’t allow Gorbachev to finish his reforms. “Why didn’t we wait until he fashions the existing order into socialism with a human face?,” she claims they asked. These western politicians were disappointed and angry that “we ruined their peaceful and comfortable world” by allowing the East Germans to leave Hungary and join their fellow Germans in the West. The “idiotic” Hungarians thought that they did the West Germans a favor, but “it was exactly this gesture that caused the unbridled hatred of the German media and intellectuals toward us.” We forced them to join their “poor relatives” who were safely tucked behind the Berlin Wall.

And now that the poor relatives, East Germans as well as other East Europeans, have joined the European Union, it is time to re-educate them. The East Germans live in a world that is even worse than it was during the 45 years of Russian occupation as far as freedom of speech is concerned because now they have to conform to the rules of “politically correct speech.” Two former East Germans, Angela Merkel and Joachim Gauck, lead Germany, but they so desperately tried to conform that they became more Wessis than the original Wessis: “they have given up their national identity and try to hide their Christian values.” The conclusion Schmidt draws at this point is that perhaps those years behind the Iron Curtain were beneficial in some respects. “They strengthened our resolve against outside forces and hardened our belief in our own value system.” While East Europeans have their national identity, “West Germans are citizens of the world–Europeans, and the German Federal Republic is simply a comfortable place of residence to which they feel no particular attachment.”

Merkel’s Germany is a place where “newly announced opposition parties face a ban and the elite immediately label them far-right regardless of who they are and what they want.” Anyone who opposes them is called “fascist.” Merkel prefers to form “coalition governments” that greatly resemble the former SED, the East German unity party. As if Merkel would purposely choose a coalition over a purely CDU government. Merkel “is unfamiliar with the history of her own country, the region, or for that matter Europe. In fact, she has only limited knowledge of the world. In her view, as in that of the German elite, only the compulsory Walk to Canossa for Auschwitz can fit.” Her speeches are “hopelessly shallow and common.” They remind Schmidt of the 70s when activists from the youth movement of the German Communist party spent their summer vacations at Lake Balaton. Schmidt and her friends used to make fun of them because “it didn’t matter what the topic was, they kept repeating the party’s official line.”

Germany today is being governed by the left media and intellectual elite. Merkel “talks their language, she meets their requirements. She doesn’t really formulate policies because for such a task she is too irresponsible, barren of ideas, without any accomplishment.”

At this point I’m about half-way through Mária Schmidt’s masterpiece, but I guess there is enough here to digest and discuss. This is the Orbán regime’s way of “making friends and influencing people.”

To be continued

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This was the first very good article I could not read in one sitting I got so angry after reading two paragraphs of the description of the cross eyed Schmidt’s stupid and extremely immoral rantings. I will be thoroughly embarrassed from here on when I have to answer someone, where was I born? So from now on, I will claim that I am a gypsy from Hungary. They, all of them together, caused a million times less embarrassment to Hungary, in the last 500 years, (since they arrived to Eastern Europe), than Zsolt Bayer and Maria Schmidt did just in the last few weeks. I will mention the Fidesz and their supporters, too! For their deeds a hydrogen bomb would not be enough, they deserve at least three. The behaviors of these fidesznyik Hungarians toward Germany, Angela Merkel and just about everyone else is like a venomous snake that had been raised, fed and well taken care of for many years and bites to death the person who took care of them, as soon as there is a chance to do it. Morally Hungary is now lower than North Korea. The latter never implied that they are anything else, but… Read more »
webber
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Gyula Bognar
In all of history, Gypsies have, to the best of my knowledge never started a war.
I cannot think of another people in all of Europe about whom this can be said. I would be proud to be a Gypsy.

Adam Gombas
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You write how many hydrogen bombs Fidesz would deserve. Israel, the genocidal and occupier state, has a few hundred nuclear warheads. I am sure, Netanyahu would lend you a few dozens to drop them on Hungary.

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Let’s not go overboard. There in the Hungarian Verity or Truth, (Három a Magyar Igazság) Three bombs will be enough, just for attention getters.
At any rate I was saying that only as an expression of the helplessness and anger and inability to get rid of complete and total morons and immoral asses, like Zsolt Bayer and Maria Schmidt, who look at the World around them with eyes that are completely out of kilter. On her, you can even see this terrible infliction.

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Viktory Votives from the Carpathian Basement

One certainly hopes that Bayer and Schmidt keep this up: the Hungarian press too, and esp. Viktor Győzovics! Even to the most cynical onlooker it is unimaginable that the world will tolerate this vulgar, vicious charlatanry much longer. It may still sound like martial music to the ears of the patriotic Pannonian populace, or rather to its Trumpster rump (a good locus for audition), but to the rest of the world, this cacophonous cackle about the cultivation of the “national character” in the Carpathian Basement is its own best send-up.
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Smiling sinkhole surviver.

exTor
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Perfectly poetic, JP.
Love it.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Ndy - screaming from Orbanistan
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I am convinced we are on the way OUT of the EU… Too much governmental lies (at every turn). Too much selfishness of the Orban Oligarchy. The Hungarian electorate is completely bamboozled and sits back and waits for doomsday.

The bright ones and the free (the 600,000) have flown the coop. Those that remain are da losers. Bayer and Schmidt are having a great time besmirching the existing population like the domineering hounds over the sheep.

The only thing Orban does right is his policy of keeping out the migrant and refugee hordes. And that, based not on moral principles but on his clear understanding that Hungary with its rotting population would be incapable of kindly integrating any newcomers.

And without kindness, asylum is of little use. It would just feed discontent all around.

Orban is Machiavellian “hundert-procent” and a very observant and potentially cruel master of the isolationist prison this is on the way to becoming.

The moment may come when Hungary’s only buddies will be the North Koreans, the Azeiri, the Iranian System and a smattering of African dictatorships…

Adam Gombas
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Hungary’s “rotting population” includes 100,000 Jews.

Geza Kmetty
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Reading this Schmidt trash was a waste of my time.

exTor
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Absolutely right, GK. Mária Schmidt is major trash, but that is her cross to bear. The sooner this Fidesz dross is swept into the trashbin of history, the sooner Magyarország can begin to right itself.

MAGYARKOZÓ

webber
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Thilo Sarazzin is Fidesz’s new darling. An “exclusive interview” was published with him in the Nov. 26th issue of the Party’s weekly, Heti Válasz. I expect some of his books will be translated into Hungarian now, with govt. funding (Natürlich – na schön!)

Unrelated: Hungarian President Ader’s photo op. with Henry Kissinger followed the translation of Kissinger’s latest book into Hungarian. I would bet that it was all arranged by K. Bogyay, and that the meeting was a polite quid pro quo for the publication of the book in Hungarian.
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Yes! But don’t forget Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize!

(Incredibly of course – in the true meaning of ‘incredible’!)

exTor
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger

KISSINGER !!!

From War Criminal to
the Nobel Peace Prize.

DUBIOUS !!!

Proof that not all Jews
are on the right side.

I’m with the HITCH !!!

MAGYARKOZÓ

Istvan
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Kissinger for me is the epitome of pointlessly expending US soldiers lives for foreign policy objectives that lead no where. He designed President Nixon’s Vietnamization program to exit the Vietnam war which led to an attack on the remaining US forces in Vietnam in March and April 1972 called the Easter Offensive which I was involved in as a young soldier with the 196th Brigade which was the only remaining US Army combat unit left in Vietnam by that time. Effectively South Vietnam was invaded by 30,000 troops including armor. With a residual force of Americans and various functional South Vietnam forces we destroyed this invading force. In so many respects this experience has been repeated in Iraq and Afghanistan today. But in general IS waited until the US withdrawal was completed in Iraq before it launched its offensive, in Vietnam they attempted to throw us out fast. Henry Kissinger and President Nixon caused the pointless death of US forces in 1972 and I came very close to losing my own life. Within just a few years the corrupt government of South Vietnam completely collapsed to the Communists and our last losses in 1972 were effectively a lost cause. Better… Read more »
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London Calling!

Germany has done an amazing job so far in integrating the East Germans. Merkel herself is testament to that. And they will do an amazing job with their refugees.

With mindsets so entrenched in a vicious ‘Honekerdom’ the transition was always going to take time – possibly a whole generational cyc!e – as the Poles say: “Thank God for death”!

“In her essay she goes as far as to glorify the communist interlude that made East Europeans superior to the effeminate westerners.”

This is an astonishing claim – but not when you realise its underlying psychological reason: an inferiority complex masquerading as a superiority complex.

The world knows already about the dodgy academic historians residing in Hungary – and the way educators teach their subjects – and the languishing position of further education establishments in the global indexes – only ELTE breaks into the top 500!

And indigenous Hungarians swallow it!

It will take much longer for Hungary to move from its frozen transitional communist state under Orban – its commocracy (©CharlieH). And transition from its communist ‘Kadardom’.

Yes, ” Thank God, for death”.

And Thank God for eviction.

Eviction from the EU.

Regards

Charlie

webber
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There is one positive thing about all of this.
At least Fidesz’s top “thinker,” Orban’s adviser Schmidt isn’t hiding it any more: Fidesz is trying to rebuild the One Party system, complete with the Russian orientation, closure to the West, a state economy, and the demolition of all opposition. She (and her party mates) like some aspects of Kadar’s Hungary.
As a matter of fact, the only thing they didn’t like about the Kadar system was that it wasn’t nationalist. So, now they are mixing nationalist rhetoric into the old Leninist brew.

Anyone wonder why Fidesz keeps voting down lustration legislation introduced repeatedly to parliament? (for the ninth time now since 2010). There is no way these fellows are going to open the old communist secret police files.

postás józsi
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This reminds me of an anecdote in one of Ungary Krisztian’s book. One former arrow-cross party member (the explicit Nazi party whose members went on an insane rampage in 1944 when already everything was doomed) was sitting in the prison under Rákosi. The prisoner said that in general the Rakosi system (Hungary’s most dictatorial communist regime) was actually pretty nice, much like what they were fighting for – except that there were way too many Jews in positions of power. Why would Orban dislike the Kadar system? It was actually a pretty nice dictatorship, with significantly less Jews in positions of power than under Rákosi. By the way it was also financed by the West (Hungary ended up the most indebted former communist country after 1990, just like now). Isn’t that what Fidesz-Jobbik want to achieve? I would bet a lot of money on that almost everyone in top government positions – from Bakondi to Pintér – who is over 50 was (ie. is) a communist spy/informant. Orban likes these people because they were selected for loyalty and don’t (can’t) have moral scruples. Exactly the kind Orban needs. But I think most of the younger ones are also part of… Read more »
Penny Oswalt
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We all need to get along everyone. Is there rights to disagree on views as well as agreements in Europe.? I thought we all are “one-sided”with the legal laws of civil rights! What rights?

bimbi
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Is there no way that Zsolt Bayer and Schmidt Mária can be appointed King and Queen of Hungary?

Perhaps if enough sign-up booths were set up it could be managed by acclamation of the People.

Then the Peace of Fidesz would reign on earth and Nirvana-in-Hungary and Europe would be established.

spectator
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I can imagine the lucky offspring, the future heir of their union… Some sight, for sure…

petofi
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Let me guess: the shrivelled souls of Fideszniks like Bayer and Schmidt have been driven to action by a promise….perhaps each of the top 10 most voluble Fidesznik is to get 500,000 euros on the country’s expulsion from the EU? Gifts from papa P…

(What else explains such grossly anti-Hungarian outbursts?)

puli
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Will the German political establishment finally realize that Orban (including his posse of “intellectuals” from Schmidt to Bogár to Tellér at al.) are fiercely anti-Western and pro-Russian? And that this IS the mainstream thinking within Fidesz. When will this be on record? Orban’s coterie is what in the US is called – for lack of a better word – paleo-Conservatives (to the right of Trump or Cheney, W was way too liberal). Just like its American adherents these people think that the West is fatally doomed, it’s a “rút sybarita váz” (Daniel Berzsenyi said that about Hungarians in his poem A magyarokhoz meaning “ugly sybarite skeleton”), they are the Eloi who will be devoured by the “winners of the New Era”. Note that it is now absolutely mainstream within Fidesz and Fidesz’ media to call the right-wingers of Europe “liberal”. “Oh don’t worry about the right-wing parties of Europe (who may be somewhat critical of Orban and Fidesz), they don’t count, those are just a bunch of liberals.” CDU, CSU, the British Conservatives. Rajoy’s Popular Party etc. are all “liberals” in this discourse and thus must be dismissed as irrelevant. The real conservatives are not yet named but I guess… Read more »
nwo
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Merkel has a nearly impossible job-leading the CDU, Pm of Germany and de facto head of Europe (especially in an era of a total leadership vacuum in Europe). On the whole, I think she has been an excellent Chancellor and a savior for Europe. There are two real potential blemishes however. The first is the immediate some would say “knee-jerk” response of the refugees, which politically and strategically may have long lasting negative consequences for Germany and Europe. Her instincts seem to have been driven by a positive liberal sense of responsibility of Germany, its historical responsibility and its de facto position as Europe’s last great power. The second has been the response to the financial crisis of the Euro and Europe, where ironically again the lessons (but this time the conservative ones of the Bundesbank and the obsession of the great inflation) were over learned and misapplied, contributing to a far longer and deeper recession Europe than may have been necessary. I suppose, to paraphrase Faulkner, the tragedy for Merkel/Germany and all of Europe is “the past is not even past.”

Havelaar
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Of topic, but things are going fast now obviously.

News about the Dutch coalition parties who form our Government. For example.
So a majority:
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/36281/V
The message is plain and simple:
Those countries (among them Hungary of course) which will not accept their fair share of the refugees should be 
blocked from receiving EU subsidies.
(So they are not talking about a fine anymore, but the blocking of EU money 
altogether)

Observer
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Cool down Guys. The situation is much simpler. Simpleton Orban and his posse of “intellectuals” are fiercely anti-Western and pro-Russian only right now. This bunch never had any clear ideological direction, their shrill anti-Communism was often designed to hide their own Communist roots and ways. Their taking reference from the Horthy era was for lack of imagination. Their current, clearly fascist political position is not the end of an ideological development, but the foreseeable result of the opportunistic process of their usurping total power. As a matter of course, from this position everyone seems “liberal”. I don’t believe Orban’s regime is really pro-Russian. In Orbán’s petty and pigheaded thinking the anti-Western position had to be accompanied by some vindictive act, like huddling with the West’s antithesis. Add the opportunity for some credit, and voila – the man who rode on the “sending the Russians home” glory suddenly had them back and allowed them to have Hungary even better by the balls – buying the Paks II reactors and on Russian credit. All duly swallowed hook, line and sinker by the faithful. But have no doubt, this will turn on a dime, e.g. back to normal with a Le Pen’s France… Read more »
Károly Szabó
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Bad news, Observer. You are so wrong. The ideological change of Orban and his possee has been gradual, evolutionary and well-documented and these people are now everywhere. There is nothing surprising in his or Schmidt’s above-cited stance. They have been consistently saying these for years, only not many people listened or they just failed to face the inconvenient facts. I’m sorry to say but you are like all those people (there are actually very few remaining) who when Orban grabbed power and ended democracy, appointed crazy and corrupt people into positions of power etc. still kept saying that “oh no Orban doesn’t think like that, he only does it because of politics, and you know politics is dirty, but he is still a decent fellow, sure a bit conservative, but he’s still the lovely old Viktor”. Guess what? Orban is indeed the corrupt pro-Russian dictator who really believes in what he says about the West. This is no joke. Believe me, people below Orban (I haven’t met him personally lately) do think so and seriously believe that the West is doomed, it is full of effeminate weaklings, pussies, who are being conquered by Islamists and that Russia is strong and… Read more »
Istvan
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Károly your points about the elevation of Russia as a perceived world power and the West as a weakening decaying force are well taken. This in my opinion is due to many factors. Both the USA and Germany have lacked aggressiveness against Putin’s attempt to restore the Russian empire. Both Germany and the USA under President Obama walk in fear of a nuclear holocaust. Such fear is paralyzing. Both Germany and the USA politically decided to shift military expenditures to social expenditures. Hence in both nations we see a decline in military expenditures as a percentage of the GDP ( see http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/defense_spending and http://www.bbc.com/news/world-31619553 ). Russian military expenditures have risen. Russia has embarked on a huge military spending binge which was estimated to have reached 4.5 percent of its GDP in 2014. This year, according to budget data, that has increased substantially to more than 9 percent of quarterly GDP, a rate of spending that is believed by policy analysts in the USA and Germany to be unsustainable. Both Obama and Merkel are effectively too logical for their own good. They listen to their analysts who believe the Russian economy can’t sustain its military growth with declining oil revenue and… Read more »
Observer
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@ Károly Szabó December 7, 2015 at 6:23 am I think you are misreading a bit. What I am saying is that: – the ideologies have been exchanged like dirty linen to cover the actions at some particular point in time; – there was no moral stand or principles, in fact Orbán ran through the full political spectrum, from Communist youth movement, through young liberal, to three piece suite conservative and finally to straight fascist, with variations in between; – in view of the above lack of moral principles, anything can be expected, as long as it suits the regime; – evolutionary it may have been to the extent, as I wrote, that the current situation was “the foreseeable result of the opportunistic process of their usurping total power” “..but you are like all those people …oh no Orbán doesn’t think like that …” If you followed only my few comments here you wouldn’t have written the above. FYI: I stared to qualify Orbán as a closet fascist in 2007 and then ran constantly into arguments with many left and democrats who thought that was an exaggeration. I urged the left and democratic parties to organize a media counter offensive… Read more »
tihanyi
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When did liberalism (in the sense of liberal democracy) suit any dictatorship? Orban moved around the political spectrum, yes, but since 1994 (when among others he realized that he will go nowhere with liberalism) – for more than two decades now – he has steadily and clearly been moving to the right, ideologically taking up ever more harebrained ideas from the “paleo-conservatives”, ie. extreme and radical right-wingers. Detto his minions. They are now believers in the Dugin ideology. They will not become democrats, in your mid fifties there’s no way back from being a corrupt, extremely wealthy dictator to being a democrat. Sure, Orban’s economic policies are dirigist but all radical right-wing parties are actually very leftist when it comes to the economy (compare that to Socialism in National Socialism).

Observer
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Liberalism suited Orbán when he was an outsider who wanted in on power. Of course not when he got there. Nothing new about “the last wants to shut the door” syndrome.

I also think there is no way back to for this mafia.

In history, however there are examples for backtracking to positive – from Lucius C. Sulla, who retired from power after annihilating his enemies to Jerry Rowlings of Ghana, who facing financial collapse brought back (some) democracy and was later even elected president.

The important thing to understand is that these regimes would adopt any ideology that suits them, no holds barred. And nothing positive there should be considered of any permanence, constitutions and laws notwithstanding.

petofi
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@Karoly Szabo The fact is that Russia, like an aging boxer, will suddenly implode. Istvan writes about military spending rising from 4% to 9% of GDP. Of course, the statement means nothing if you don’t realize that GDP has probably dropped by 20%; to whit, the price of oil has dropped about 60%. So, 9% is probably a lot less in real terms than 4% was formerly. But yes, Putin is rattling his old sabers–like the aged lion’s last roar. It won’t be long before the Russian generals start to question the ‘king’s clothing’… Look, you need to know only one thing about Russia–they import potatoes from Israel!!! Can you imagine, the largest country in the world can’t produce quality potatoes! (MacDonalds had to import their french fries from Denmark.) It may not be that they can’t grow good potatoes, but the distribution system doesn’t function, so the farmers keep their best vegetables for themselves, or for private distribution. A totally dysfunctional country. Orban may be many things, but an idiot he’s not. He’s playing both sides–EU/US and Russia–against the middle. Presently, the EU is not ready to move on Hungary because they may be worried about the classic domino… Read more »
webber
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Petofi
In international politics, I think Orban is an idiot. I think he truly believes the idiocies his advisers and his media spout about the decline of the West.

webber
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P.S. Serbia will never, I think, be an EU member, for a number of reasons. No. 1.: the boundaries of that country are not set. No clear boundaries, no membership (in theory – Cyprus breaks that theory). For instance, if you ask the Serbian government, Spain, and Slovakia, Kosovo is part of Serbia. If you ask Hungary, Great Britain and France, Kosovo is not part of Serbia. Bosnia may fall to pieces, and if it does part of it will fall to Serbia. No. 2.: Serbs’ image in Europe is pretty awful. Recent polls suggest a majority of EU citizens wouldn’t support membership for Serbia (or Turkey, for that matter). Also, it’s a very poor country (poorer than Hungary), and the Western part of the EU is a little tired of poor E. Europeans. And there’s fear of letting in another group of radicals (one Hungary was enough). No. 3.: Successive Serbian govts. have dragged their feet on certain intl. commitments (starting w. intl. cooperation with the Intl. War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague) No. 4.: Serbia is in worse political shape even than Hungary. For example, a series of unsolved murders of journalists. Serbia is consistently ranked even lower… Read more »
petofi
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@webber

You’re underestimating Orban–a shrewd, sneaky, ‘minden hajal meg kent’, master manipulator. He’s got the ever-greedy, envious Magyaricoes eating out of his hand…Yet, in the end, he’ll leave them all in the lurch as he takes his billions (euros, of course) to parts unknown (or maybe just a suburb of London..).

Or, wherever the international Roma hierarchy, in their plenitude, resides–

petofi
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webber,

Orban’s ‘advisors’ are an excuse and a cover. He pulls them over his head when something goes wrong.

spectator
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I am pretty much with you on this – there is no ideology, only interest what motivate these guys. For the full effect they will even believe to themselves for the time being, no doubt.
After all, all convincing actor and successful conmen must have this ability, otherwise their act won’t work.

Yes, even the “core” fideszniks, even among themselves when talking to each other.
You never know, who would snitch on you for a bigger chunk of booty, and there always is a bigger piece of cake and greener pastures what you still craving to have…

The whole society is deformed, just as it was under every other dictatorship so far.
You hardly hear a honest word about politics, particularly when you talking to people with reasonably good income and beyond, and the answer is rather simple: they want to keep at least their living standards, even for the price of their backbone.
With a very few exception, of course.

Orbanistan still in the making.

Observer
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Éva, would it be of any use if I translated the Schmid article?

exTor
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https://translate.google.com

I wouldn’t bother with Schmidt, Observer.
Google Translate does a good-enough job.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
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Perhaps if I were that pathetic bundle of human material that any picture of Zsolt Bayer evidences, I too would turn into a detritus scumbag devoid of selfrespect and decency. Such is the Fidesz view of the used idiot.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Delectados
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webber
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Good!
They released the recording, as they should! – it is here, btw, not in the 444 post:
http://magyaridok.hu/belfold/medgyessy-magyarazkodik-208228/

It wasn’t much of a conversation. Listen for yourself.

tappanch
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I apologize should I repeat this piece of news:

The US Bipartisan Taskforce for Combatting Anti-Semitism has protested the erection of a Homan sculpture, financed by the Orban government.

http://teddeutch.house.gov/uploadedfiles/12.4.15_letter_to_pm_orban.pdf

petofi
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re: US Bipartisan Taskforce

For Orban, no amount of tongue-lashing will supplant the pleasure of feeding the unlimited appetite for anti-semitism that exists in Hungary.

Adam Gombas
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Antisemitism is unbearable in Hungary. I hope foreign banks and owners of Hungaria media outlets will notice it, and leave the country as of tomorrow morning.

petofi
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It seems that there are limits to Russian nationalism (Russians are not as stupid as Hungarians, but then…who is?) :

“Russia’s tourism chief prompted a wave of anger on Monday by claiming there is no need for people to go abroad on beach holidays, after Moscow barred travel to Turkey and Egypt. In an interview with government newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta”.

spectator
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Would they sell all the Russian owned resorts too, for the sake of patriotism?
In my experience they far over-represented in both countries, even the upper class segment of the business. I think it’s a fair guess that the same practice goes similarly in other areas as well.
Just to know, if there is a chance not to be overcrowded by those — well, probably really nice, but — heavily bejewelled and made up people in bathing suits, toting a wad of cash in every occasion… and such. Just wondering.

Adam Gombas
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Hungarians are the shittiest people on Earth. There is no other nation having such self-deprecating populus. I shit on the self-deprecating part of Hungarians, regardless of their ethnic background.

exTor
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http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/12/04/an-old-story-surfaces-ivan-fischers-2011-letter-to-hillary-clinton/#comment-107177

Regardless of anything else, Éva, you should give this Adam Gombas the boot. He has overstayed his welcome on this site.

He is a Fidesznik, an Orbánite, and as such he is impervious to logic and example. He either doesn’t see or doesn’t care about the fascistic impulses of his Dear Leader.

I called him out [above link] on his own racism and his response was to label my characterization of him and his views as “pathetic blurts”.

We dont need his disruption, his nonintelligence.

MAGYARKOZÓ

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A bit OT re Russian tourists:

I know from personal experience that at least in Hungary and Turkey hotels that used to accept many Russian guests have been declared “for Russians only” – travel agencies will not send other guests there!

The behaviour of some Russians (obviously not all, but a large number …) is such that other people will not tolerate it and flee …
Our favourite restaurant (luckily …) does not want Russian guests and does not have a Russian menu – though many others do of course.
A friend of ours in the health business and many others now only accepts prepaid reservations from Russians – too often she and her colleagues have experienced, that people just did not turn up for business dates.

Many don’t like to do business with Russians at all – but the money is good …
In Hévíz there are some shops that cater only to Russian customers.

spectator
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@wolfi
Think of a Hilton resort owned by Russians, so there wasn’t the number but the behaviour – like if they owned the place. And they actually did, indeed.
However, the staff as polite as anyone else in similar places, no problem there.

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