László Kövér, the misogynist and feckless diplomat

There are some people who just don’t know when to shut up. László Kövér is one of them. In the last two or three days he has managed to create both a domestic and an international scandal and, instead of staying out of the limelight for a while and refraining from running from one radio station to the next or giving one interview after the other, he has been adding fuel to fire while trying to explain the inexplicable. His speech at the Fidesz Congress turned out to be so embarrassing that it wasn’t even summarized on Fidesz’s official website. Someone, presumably someone higher up, wanted to bury it. The site published summaries of the speeches of everybody who is anybody in Fidesz, with the exception of Kövér’s.

The speech contains a number of objectionable statements, but what especially infuriated people, especially women, were the following sentences:

We don’t want to make Hungary a futureless society full of man-hating women and feminine men terrified of women who see in children and in families only obstacles to self-fulfillment. We would like it if our sons not only learn but also understand Petőfi’s poem “If you are a man, be a man” and if our daughters would consider it the culmination of self-fulfillment to bear grandchildren for us.

The saddest part of the story is that the 2,000 Fidesz delegates, in appreciation of Kövér’s message, broke out at this point in thunderous applause. Critics of Fidesz in general and of the party’s attitude toward women in particular had an entirely different reaction to the speech. There are only eight countries where there is no female member of the cabinet. Hungary is one of them. Hungary has the dubious distinction of occupying last place in the European Union when it comes to the number of women in the country’s parliament. A woman from Kolozsvár/Cluj “translated” Kövér’s message:

If you’re a woman, forget about self-fulfillment. Don’t dare to dream of your own goals, studying, career, professional success, societal recognition. Bear children on an assembly line for László Kövér and Fidesz. Don’t ask questions, don’t think, don’t plan, don’t take into consideration rational considerations such as what about if daddy leaves his uneducated wife and his children?… I hate this primitive view of  … people like Comrade Kövér and his fellow misogynists.

In Budapest Adrienn Csepelyi wrote a scathing editorial with the title “Asszonyállat,” which in today’s Hungarian means “woman/female animal,” giving the impression that a woman is not quite a human being. The word comes close to capturing the essence of Kövér’s attitude toward women as expressed in his speech: a woman’s most important function is to give birth to as many children as possible.

 A very typical pose of László Kövér at the Fidesz congress

A typical pose of László Kövér, at the Fidesz congress

Csepelyi suggests that Fidesz politicians talk honestly instead of trying to hide what they really mean. She accuses them not only of looking upon women as second-class citizens but also of considering them to be not full human beings. She also charges them with hiding their real feelings behind their concern for the nation. Her final warning: in the animal world it is the female who chooses her partner. And there are dozens and dozens of comments like Csepelyi’s.

Kövér took his critics on directly. The scandal he created is actually a positive development, he claimed. At least people will now talk about the demographic situation “because this is about our lives, about our future,” Kövér said on InfoRádió. If Europe is unable to stop this demographic disaster then “those people will overrun [the continent] who see Lebensraum (élettér) here for themselves. These people will lay waste to the civilization that was built … through our 1,000-year struggle.” Those people who “at least in theory agree with us that it is our business to remain a nation in this world” should serve as examples by having children. Then perhaps the voices of those who are “the trumpeters of the culture of death” and who declare that “there is no tomorrow, only today” would no longer be dominant.

I heard two Fidesz politicians trying to explain away Kövér’s speech. Even the extremely skillful Gergely Gulyás failed at the task, although he can spin almost anything. And the best Mrs. Pelcz, née Ildikó Gáll could do, by the end of her conversation with György Bolgár, was to promise to explain Kövér’s words to her followers on Facebook. In the last few hours I heard that Katalin Novák, undersecretary in charge of family affairs, was brave enough to say that Kövér was wrong and that the government’s goal is to create an ideal environment for working women to be able to have children.

This unfortunate speech was not the only recent misstep of László Kövér. He gave an interview to the Czech newspaper Právo a few days ago. He talked mostly about the migrant crisis, and in this connection he expressed his satisfaction about the excellent relationship that has developed among the Visegrád countries concerning this issue. Kövér added that this new friendly relationship might help to solve the long-standing differences of opinion on the question of the Hungarian minorities. At that point the reporter asked whether this means that Hungary still insists on the abrogation of the so-called Beneš doctrine (1945) that made the German and Hungarian minorities collectively responsible for the destruction of Czechoslovakia. The law that resulted in the deportation of and discrimination against Germans and Hungarians was allowed to lapse a few years later but was never officially abrogated. Kövér’s answer was that the Czech Republic and Slovakia shouldn’t have been admitted to the European Union as long as there was a law on the books that referenced collective guilt. A most unfortunate comment at a time when the Orbán government desperately needs the help of the Czech Republic and Slovakia in its opposition to the quota system that is being contemplated in Brussels.

Lubormír Zaorálek, the Czech foreign minister, immediately called in Tibor Pető, the Hungarian ambassador in Prague, who had the uncomfortable task of explaining that “neither the president nor the Hungarian government has any intention of bringing up such a question” He assured the foreign minister that “it is in Budapest’s interest to maintain and strengthen the relationship between the two countries.” Soon enough the Hungarian ambassador to Bratislava was also asked to pay a visit to the Slovak foreign ministry. The communiqué the Slovak ministry published stressed the excellent relations between the two countries and continued: “we don’t understand why László Kövér feels compelled to ruin this excellent atmosphere…. We expect László Kövér to refrain from such statements and to leave the evaluation of historical matters to well-prepared professionals.”

Kövér is an embarrassment at home and abroad. He runs the Hungarian parliament as if it were a jail and he its jail keeper. And he speaks publicly as he would to a few uncouth buddies in the local pub. The man is incorrigible, so the only solution would be his removal from political life altogether. But we can wait for that for a very long time, I’m afraid.

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Guest

I think that the opinions voiced by Orbán and Kövér are fairly typical of all East European populist nationalists who are becoming steadily more powerful and popular in their respective countries within the Eastern zone of the EU. Under the circumstances we should hardly be surprised if the EU were to shatter along its East-West fault-line sooner rather than later (as it may well shatter along its North-South fault-line as well). I hold very little hope of the EU surviving into a medium- to longer term future in its present convoluted and increasingly awkward, Rube Goldbergesque make-up and form, since the compromises necessary for its survival would inevitably undermine its fundamental values (supra-nationalism, open society and human rights), thus vitiate the very foundation upon which its existence rests.

Member

I agree.

Joshua
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I am merely commenting to encourage Eva to use the registration system for commenting. I think it’s a good idea.

Joshua
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whoops.. I can see I missed the hourlong test.. no matter.. I still think it’s a good idea. (I say this as a web developer and longtime wordpress devotée 🙂 ).

Guest

So one may well ask whether with the likes of Hungarian, Czech and Polish, and indeed French populist nationalists coming to the fore, will the EU prove to be in the end merely the Weimar Republic writ large?

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@mike balint

What I think is that the westeuropean nations will contiune the integration.We have quite another relation to our national identity. When I meet enyone from the west,we undersrstad each other withouth difficulties. On the other side meeting an ossie is almost always is problematic. The easteuropen approach is a real big issue for us. All that has a bad taste. It was an honest thoght to invite the ossies to europe, but it has become a big disappointment for all of us. We maybe must leave those nations behind. (With a bleeding hart)

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@Some1

Hi Some1!

How is the edit function coming along?

By the way, I was blocked from registering via facebook, don’t know why.

Member

Hi Mike, It is good. I have to get API keys for all the social networks before we proceed. I just did not have the time to finish it. I will have to do that in slow times, as to not interrupt the blog to much.

Latefor
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Dearest Eva,
I do NOT believe that Kover is a “misogynist”. ( I have come accross a few on this blog, though)
On the contrary, it seems to me that he has high respect for women, just like most conservative politicians in Hungary. He understands that the majority of men/women all over the world are sick of being demoralized, twisted and manipulated by a few crafty intellectuals. Believe it or not, there are many of us out there, who are ready to give up our so called “rights” for the elusive hope and understanding for finding something beautiful that existed between men and woman since Adam and Eve. (I’d love to elaborate on this more, but I’m busy with my own project.)

Member

What you call “demoralizing” is what the rest of Europe calls “progress” and “equality”. And yes, “rights”. And what machos call “respect for women” is what the rest of Europe understands to be a smokescreen for oppression. For every woman who would gladly give up her “rights” for the elusive hope of finding Prince Charming who treats her with “high respect”, there are thousands who would rather enjoy equal pay and equal rights, and be treated like fellow human beings.
“Elusive hopes of finding something beautiful” are something that can be “manipulated by crafty intellectuals”. Equal pay and equal rights (to career, family and other life choices) are nothing elusive, they are hard facts and based on hard realities such as money.
And, actually, “twisting and manipulating” is what Kövér and his buddies are trying to do. Elusive hopes of finding something beautiful in the imagined history, the imagined future and the hopes and life plans of today’s Hungarians, to help forget hard political and financial realities.

webber
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Latefor
Stop pussyfooting around my suggestion, and move to Hungary where you be treated by many men as you think is proper.
Why don’t you respond to my suggestion? You just keep ignoring it.

Latefor
Guest

Dear Webber – I don’t have to move to Hungary to be treated with respect by men. Hungarian men are famous for treating women with respect and adoration. ( re: hand kissing etc.) I just love this image about them!

webber
Guest

Now, now – more pussyfooting from you. Please answer my suggestion seriously, not with this silly shilly-shallying. It’s an urgent suggestion!
I have repeatedly suggested you move to Hungary because you so obviously approve of the Hungarian government and the direction Hungarian society has taken. I want you to experience that for yourself.
Since you are an advocate of the system, the least you could do is move to Hungary.
It would be logical, wouldn’t it? It’s what you should do, ASAP.

Member

They are famous all right… Are you familiar with domestic violence statistics of Hungary? I did not think so.
For any women who is being kissed on the hand, some others get killed three times more likely I’m Hungary than in the USA, and twice more likely than in Australia.
Since domestic violence is known to be underreported, I just stayed with the homicide data.
http://16akcionap.org/nehany-adat-a-csaladon-beluli-eroszakrol
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/domestic-violence-statistics_n_5959776.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/rip/21-40/rip38.html

Observer
Guest

And pigs fly, yes? In your neck of the woods at least.

Member

“Adam and Eve”… First I though you are serious about your comment, but after Adam and Eve I get the sarcasm.

Guest
Unfortunately,Some1, Latefor believes in Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, Homeopathy, and Adam and Eve. Btw In England we have rhyming slang and “would you Adam and Eve it?” is asking a question of credibility. As in “would you believe it?” I believe Latefor believes in A&E and even the talking snake in the Garden of Eden! Fundamentalism instead of seeing it as an allegory. Sometimes some women believe that their role is to be subservient to men and make babies and cook the dinner – and do the housework. And when they get a good slapping they often believe it’s their fault. In the 80s in England we had the realisation from men that relationships were unequal – and even when a woman worked the wife believed she should still do all the housework. More enlightened men became ‘New Man’ and they willingly changed the nappies – diapers – to you, and did an equal share of the housework. Hungary is still a patriarchal society and with unrealistic people like Latefor who look through life through rose-tinted spectacles, then I believe violence on women will continue. I have never met ‘New Man’ in Hungary. It’s a phenomenon that I don’t… Read more »
Guest

Re Adam and Eve – Ricky Gervais explains it all for Latefor…….

https://youtu.be/3oH0ReL3Cew

Latefor
Guest

CharlieH –
How about worrying about your own beliefs? Somehow I don’t think that the majority of the commentators here need your explanation
re: my credibility.
They all know, that I’m commenting in here not only in my capacity as a “genetically inferior moron” but also as someone from “the gutter end of society”. They all understand, that I’m providing you with an insight to at least think about how we think and how we see ourselves in a society that you have kindly created for us. At least, please appreciate the valuable service I’m offering to you from the bottom of my heart.

Trust me, I’m NOT a masochist and I do not take any pleasure engaging with you on this blog. Believe it or not, I don’t even understand myself why I even do it. . . maybe it became a habit in the last 6 years. This is something I have to seriously look into in the New Year.

Member

Kövér is just one of the boorish, primitive bigots, among hundreds of thousands of similarly thinking Hungarians, with a big mouth and a forum given to him by the media.
A large portion of the Hungarian population was reeducated by the Fidesz, Fidelitás, the MIÉP, with Csurka and other popular stupid demagogs. Kövér represents the loud minority that rules the silent and impotent majority. Not a problem, these moral rejects will be elected again with ⅔ majority in 2018, as larger and larger portion of the population looses even the superficial degree of civilization.

Guest

I first became aware of the attitude of Fidesz leaders to women some years ago, when I noticed a comment by Orbán in relation to some shindig or wedding they were organizing at his country place in which he said something to the effect the women are looking after the “women’s work” in preparing the celebrations. Anyway, it sounded exactly like the way and the tone in which Hungarian peasants speak of their womenfolk. Similar to the Arab ways, just less extreme. Kövér’s expostulations at the Fidesz congress are in the same category, just laying it out in more detail and with even greater explicitness. Fact is that the Fidesz leaders are jumped up Hungarian peasant boys, and while you can take the boy out of the countryside, you can’t take the peasant out of the boy.

Member

There are many similarities between the social expectations as presented by the Koran and the world as Kover and the Jobbik imagine. I am not so optimistic although about the “less extreme”. They are only holding back because they are testing the water. The Fidesz attitude you are referring to come to the light in September, 2012 when there was a discussion in the parliament about domestic violence:
“Maybe mothers should return to raising children” and in this society they should occupy themselves with “not only giving birth to one or two children, but to three or four. Only than would make sense to respect each other more, and domestic violence would not even come up”. said Istvan Szabo, Fidesz politician, who became a member of the Constitutional, Judicial and Standing Orders Committee on 2 November 2010.

Member

Some1, if I remember it right, the MP who uttered those immortal words about how women should give birth to “two or three, or rather, four or five children” and then they would be respected and there would be no domestic violence… the guy was called István Varga, a lawyer from Orosháza, also known for his scandalous divorce (he left the mother of his four children for a younger lady; http://magyarnarancs.hu/kismagyarorszag/a-plusstigris-kedvence-81733 ). The same guy, as it seems, was one of the leading activists organizing the rehabilitation of Bálint Hóman (http://index.hu/tudomany/tortenelem/2015/07/14/homan_balint_rehabilitacioja/ ).
Misogynous opinions and statements come with the usual package. It’s all interconnected.

Observer
Guest

As the fascist- light regime ripens, its selection process pushes up more and more material from the deep bottom. This brown sludge spreads, seeps into and contaminates every tissue of the nation. It’s a national health hazard and pretty disgusting to look at, e.g. the character mentioned above, the “blind commodore” one, Bayer, Kövér, and thousands of their ilk.

I wonder who’s going to clean these Augean Stables.

Member

Yes, it was Varga not Szabo. Thanks for the correction.

Member
It’s partly a class issue, I agree. An educated bourgeoisie or gentry gentleman would never have said something like “van ott asszony elég” (’there are enough women there’, as Orbán commented on the plans for cooking in his notorious interview about her daughter’s wedding). But partly, the return to old misogynous and patriarchal patterns belongs to the general East European backlash. Equal rights for women (together with all that poppycock about all human beings being born equal – of course, OUR nation is on a higher level!) was just part of that big Communist hoax which we now are free to ditch, while returning to the conservative nationalist ideals of the 1930’s. Actually, Orbán has also quite frankly told that in his opinion, politics is too tough a game for women. In his speech a few weeks ago, in which he speculated about his successor (!), he claimed that although there are some very gifted female politicians in his party, no woman would stand the kind of mud-slinging he has gone through. And this is the subtle mechanism of gentlemanly covert oppression which Latefor referred to (“high respect”) and which Kövér is obviously also invoking in his later interviews. Women… Read more »
Guest
Apart from anything else, the attitude to women by Orbán and Kövér, as well as most Hungarian men, is utterly idiotic and counterproductive from a purely economic point of view too, because it necessarily means that Hungary loses down the gurgler significantly more than half the nation’s managerial and leadership brainpower. I say “significantly more than half,” because in today’s world, and certainly in my long business, managerial and consulting experience, women appear to be on the whole far better managers and leaders than men, given their superior networking and people skills in the increasingly many work environments where old style strictly hierarchical and heavily patriarchal ways of organizing businesses, organizations and companies is a thing of the past and a sure prescription for joining the ranks of competitive losers. Of course, in order for women to shine in work life, as well as wives and mothers, their men and society as a whole must create the necessary conditions for women to be able to shine. It is shocking how in Hungary to this day women are expected to serve, service and slave over their men: mothers spoil their boys, who then expect their wives – who work full time… Read more »
Latefor
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“Women are too gentle and too fragile, they must be protected…”

Yes, some of us are gentle and fragile and want to be protected. Other like to be treated like a truck driver. As long as our needs are met, I do not see anything wrong with what Kover or Orban said. I would never ever call them a “misogynist”.

Member

@mike balint

To be honest I know some countryboys behaving like folk.

Guest

Kövér’s bellyaching about the Beneš doctrine is mighty strange.

In the interwar years, the German minority in Sudetenland and the Hungarian minority in Southern Slovakia were perhaps the most decently treated minorities in all of Central and Eastern Europe.

Nonetheless, it was the demand of the vast majority of “radicalized” Sudeten Germans that provided the pretext for the invasion of Czechoslovakia by the Nazis, and the “bitterness and restless dissatisfaction” of the vast majority of Slovakian Hungarians that provided the pretext for the takeover of Southern Slovakia by Horthy (with Hitler’s blessings). The vast majority of Sudeten Germans and Slovakian Hungarians welcomed the invading forces with delirious joy.

After that, what are the Czechs and the Slovaks supposed to say and do? Thank the Germans and Hungarians for smashing up the sole genuine democracy in Central and Eastern Europe? Beneš was dead right with his doctrine. The vast bulk of Germans and Hungarians were poison in the body politic of democratic Czechoslovakia before the war and there had to be some consequence to and accountability for this at war’s end.

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@mike balint

The hate for minorities is always present in those countries. The hunkyes did off with the jews in 44 and the germans in 46. They have no remorse for that. My familie was devastated. Es spiele keine lolle.

Miklos
Guest

Who do you call “hunkyes”

Miklos
Guest

About Kover

Miklos
Guest
I am getting used to the style of the contributors, commentators of the Hungarian Spectrum never agreeing with anything a Fidesz politician said or did, particularly if his name in Orban. But I guess this is the first time all the liberal readers had a chance to wipe their shoes into Kover. I do not know too much about the man, I did not read his speech, but reading several comments he rather unusually way urged women to bear more children. I do not think he wanted to insult anybody. But about the other “mistake” criticizing the Benes Docrine he was absolutely correct. I dare to say most of you, including Eva Balogh and Charles Gati do not have the foggiest idea what happened in 1945 and 1946 in the present Slovakia. I was a university student, and in 1946 late summer I get a job for a month to organize the work of four trucks working for the deportation. The Benes Government not only deported the people, but required the Hungarian Government to handle it. I spent a month in Bratislava, Rimaszombat, Fulek, where ever their decided to move. The day before the police went from house to house… Read more »
Guest

My personal opinion on Benes decree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene%C5%A1_decrees) is/are reaction on WWII and events before WWII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_in_World_War_II).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak%E2%80%93Hungarian_War
http://www.visegradgroup.eu/basic-facts-about/slovakia/brief-history-of

Hungarians wellcomed hungarian (Horti) army and Slovaks fled.

Before IIWW Czechoslovakia was democratic (more democratic) in compare to (nacist) Germany and (Horti) Hungary.
Slovakia has also “bad activities” but Hungary has same position.

I don´t trust of middle aged women claim “she is still not allowed to move back” – it is nonsense – border in European Union (Schengen zone) are open.

Ad. Albrecht Neumerker. My family was devastated.
I´m sorry but many many famileis were devastated and many lives/soul were lost.

Guest

The enemies of the open society and concomitant liberal democracy are on the march everywhere in response to the stresses and strains of globalization, whether they be quasi-fascist nationalists, quasi-communist internationalists or radicalized/radicalizing Islam.

The cosmopolitan, globalizing forces meet these enemies of the open society with indifference, incoherence, incompetence, fellow travelers and bleeding hearts.

As Yeats said in his Second Coming:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Guest

And may I add to the list of the enemies of the open society the world-wide eruptions of tribalisms and ethnic strife that are of course merely even more primitive subclasses of quasi-fascist nationalisms.

Guest

Some powerful lines from the Nobel Prize winner. I am sure Yeats would be intrigued by the current Hungarian ‘nationalism’ going about. But even he would know and see that his last two lines echo the times also of a country as his was and still is namely a geographic entity beset by grave political divisions. He would see that the ‘nationalism’ there is a contrived one and poisonous to the country’s soul. It is not a ‘rising’ for freedom but one to set it irrevocably back.

Latefor
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Mike,
In your noble opinion, who is the “beast” in this poem? (Yeast referred to Hitler)
Somehow I doubt that the PM of a little country in Central Europe is leading the world to Sodom and Gomorrah. And I’m saying this with “passionate intensity!”

Live long and prosper
Guest
Live long and prosper

It would be more surprising if such an hiseously unattractive man were not a misogynist.

Guest

Oh no, I think you are mistaken!

With his thick, drooping mustache, low forehead and the way he wears his hair, he is actually a splendid specimen of Hungarian peasant machismo, and as such must be quite a sex symbol among the peasant ladies of the Hungarian countryside. :-)))

webber
Guest
In an interview a year or two ago, Kövér said that if it were up to him, the Hungarian government would get rid of the Constitutional Court (Hungary’s Supreme Court). He said that nothing should stand in the way of the will of the majority. “Unfortunately” he said, the EU wouldn’t stand for this, so the job was to make the court as weak as possible – just a figurehead. Kövér confounds two things: 1st, Fidesz rule with majority rule – that is, that Fidesz ALWAYS reflects the will of the majority in every question because it was elected to govt. (clearly false: witness the majority’s opinions on Sunday shop closing, and the 27% VAT – the majority is opposed to Fidesz’s laws on these and other issues) 2nd majority rule with decent society – an old fallacy that whatever the majority wants is democracy writ large. (for example: if the majority votes to take all my money and distribute it among themselves, then that is okay because it is what the majority wants. If the majority wants to kill all members of a certain minority, then that is okay too. – Of course it is not. Cases such as… Read more »
webber
Guest

It’s worth listening to Kövér for the party line: Fidesz has clearly done everything it could to emasculate Hungary’s Constitutional Court to the degree that the EU will not declare it unacceptable.

Guest

Yes, indeed. The signal most crucial litmus test of a liberal democracy is the respect and protection it affords to minorities and minority opinion, as long as these do not harm others.

Guest

Again, Kövér shows, that in many topics the right wingers are very similar – whether they are Christian, Muslim, White Supremacists, outright Nazis or whatever …
No wonder that many Hungarian women found foreign men more attractive than her compatriots – my wife included (though it took her over 60 years to realise this).
Latefor however seems the perfect gal for Kövér and his ilk …

Miklos
Guest

I agree with the opinions concerning his personality, nevertheless I would not ignore that according to some news, he would be nominated as President soon.
The disclosure of his latest problematic statements could be part of the internal struggles.

Latefor
Guest

Wolfi – Kover is not my type (I don’t go for the moustashe look) even though he seems like a very decent man.

exTor
Guest

Interesting picture of László Kövér
fingering Zsolt Bayer. Perhaps Fats
is advising Bavaria how to be a
more effective racist scumbag?

MAGYARKOZÓ

Observer
Guest

I guess this character is “decent by the Taliban standards or even “great guy”by IS ones. Hajra, you have some way to go still.

Guest
I like and admire George Soros very much, and not just for his smarts as a financier, but above all for his unwavering commitment to the ideals of the open society, the rule of law and liberal democratic governance. Furthermore, I find his critique of the capitalist system not merely interesting, but quite valid and relevant, though I would also be most interested to find out what actually would he propose as a practical alternative to the existing forms of capitalism (a subject on which, unsurprisingly, he has not been at all forthcoming to date). Above all, his indefatigable efforts over the past thirty-odd years to sow the seeds of the open society, rule of law and liberal democracy all over Eastern Europe can only be regarded with the greatest of respect and admiration. However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The seeds he attempted to sow fell on barren ground and failed to sprout. Success seems to have largely eluded Soros even in Hungary, his birthplace, which the poet Ady called the “magyar ugar” (the Hungarian wasteland/barren ground) a century before Soros, too, is finally being compelled to confront the truth of that moniker. The Central… Read more »
webber
Guest

Soros and wishful thinking:
Maybe things would have been much worse if he had not tried.

Guest

Maybe, though I doubt it, because what we are witnessing now is first and foremost blowback and utter rejection. If Soros hadn’t tried there would be no blowback and utter rejection today.

But it is of course not only Soros, but the entire EU project. Instead of romantic delusions about a Greater Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals, a “heartless” realpolitik vis á vis the East Europeans might have yielded much better results. Might have.

But the die is cast now and it’s no use crying over spilt milk.

Latefor
Guest

Mike – Soros understands that there are no perfect systems. He understands imperfections.

Observer
Guest

Hear, hear !

egres
Guest

Geniuses at work. The state is currently privatizing agricultural land to cronies and local fidesznik strongmen.

The proceeds will be spent on buying further agricultural land – which will then be privatized again to cronies and so on ad infinitum – until all land will be owned by loyal fideszniks.

As you know the rural power networks are of paramount importance in the election system and nobody is better at creating and feeding these networks then fideszniks, they know what rural people want.

http://hvg.hu/gazdasag/20151216_Foldet_vesz_az_allam_az_eladott_allami_fo

Guest

Just found this on my favourite Hungarian site vakkomondor and just had to post it:comment image

exTor
Guest

JUST LIKE GRAMPS !!!

I notice that Kövér has
his grandfather’s beak.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

With that pix Uncle Joe is no doubt happy in his grave…..’We kicked them in the butt and they still love us!’ I don’t think it’s too much off the mark to note that Magyar synapses and axons just aren’t firing well with the ruling bunda junta.

And regarding Messrs Kover and all the ‘staff’ I think Hungary has lost a number of points in their caliber of how they do diplomacy and who does it. Time to revitalize the ‘Magyar Iskola of Diplomacy’. There are standards. And a caution. Too much rambling about with ‘foot and mouth’ disease can turn into an epidemic.

Member

This man is just typical of the extreme incompetence of the current Hungarian government. It is evident at the micro level here. I refer to it (privately) as incompetence cubed.

GW
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This reminds me of my first-ever encounter with a card-carrying FIDESZ member, in 2000, in a cafe in Pest. After singing the praises of Orban, he showed me the inside of his wallet where, in addition to the party membership cards, he showed me a snapshot of his girlfriend, which was in the little plastic pouch facing the snapshot of his wife.

Havelaar
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Something to be very happy about.

Hope you will make an article about this, I am sure you will, dear Eva.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/

“Hungary:
MEPs call for threats to the rule of law to be monitored.

The resolution, passed by 327 votes to 293, with 61 abstentions,
reiterates Parliament’s call on the Commission “to initiate
immediately an in-depth monitoring process concerning the situation of democracy, the rule of law and fundamental rights in Hungary”

Havelaar
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Havelaar
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Tried to correct the link, I could not edit it anymore though.
Maybe I am clumsy, or something else has to be corrected too.

Anyway, it is breaking news, me thinks.

spillie
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the link worked very well…thanks for your attentiveness

spillie
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same article-in hungarian-also you can find in:
http://www.portfolio.hu(today)

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As far as Voting up and down.. I know many of you like that feature. I cannot stand it, so it is up to you. How would you vote if someone publishes a news: Hungary’s major snowstorm cut off transportation from small villages. Up or Down? Are you voting on the event or you voting on the person’s intent?
How about this? The King of Hungary was crowned on the ice of the Danube. Would you be happy to read this or not? What are you voting for really, to share the news or the fact that it it happened? It is news worthy, so UP. It is such a shame, so its DOWN! Just my two cents.

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As for the upvote/downvote option: I like it. Especially in the comment section, I would understand it simply as marking the comment as interesting, relevant and worth reading – or also, as a sign of support (“my words exactly!”). If there is a risk of conflicting or controversial interpretations, any commenter can follow the usual practice of Facebook and, for instance, when publishing news about somebody’s death, add a remark about the interpretation of “likes”, in the style of “any ’like’ here will be understood as a sign of condolence and respect for the memory of NN”.

Nicky
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Mike Balint, regarding your points about how even nowadays women are expected to serve and slave over their men, etc..Absolutely spot on.! Especially the part about how mothers spoil their sons, who then expect this treatment from their wives. I have said this many times, based on what I’ve seen, and heard from friends. Whenever I talk to yet another divorced or unhappily marriied friend, the stories all seem to be similar: that their husbands were mummy’s boys, didn’t help at home or with the kids, were absent in many ways, yet expected 5 star treatment from their wives, And their mothers also put pressure on their daughters in law to take on their roles, even though times have changed, and this way no longer works. So the partners both have very different expectations, it seems. Men seem to want to be treated as their mums treated them, whereas women have other, more modern expectations from a marriage. Of course, not every Hungarian man thinks like Kövér! I see many great examples of happy marriages where the husbands and wives support each other. But Kövér has got it all wrong. Many women are so dissatisfied with the lack of help… Read more »
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A Hungarian entertainer made a comment on television about how the job of women is not to earn as much money as men. For good measure he also said: “any equality between men and women is not normal.” Because of the comment, Hungarian Telecom cancelled its contract to sponsor the guy, and so Janos Lazar (who kept his mouth shot about Kover’s comments) took a stab at………………. the German company who owns Telecom. “This is opinion dictatorship” he called out. “German companies should know what dictatorship is.”
Janos Lazar is married, and so is the entertainer who is the father of 4 children, 3 of them are girls. I hope they will meet and marry such a gentleman as their father.

http://444.hu/2015/12/16/lazar-megdobbento-hogy-a-telekom-felmondta-akos-tamogatasat
http://index.hu/kultur/zene/2015/12/16/kiszall_a_telekom_akos_mogul/

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BBJ reports on it in English – Lázár aka Laser Johnny really is an abomination!
http://bbj.hu/business/lazar-mt-should-not-fire-akos-over-remarks-on-women_108946

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And the story continues: now the Hungarian government in turn cancels all its contracts with Telekom Hungary, stating that what Telekom did is “against the spirit and the letter of the Hungarian Constitution”. “We consider it unacceptable that anybody in Hungary today should be affected by such discrimination (!) because of his opinions.”
http://index.hu/gazdasag/az_osszes_miniszterium_felmondja_szerzodeset_a_magyar_telekommal/
Question 1: Is Ákos Kovács, the pop icon from the 1980’s-90’s, so important to the government that his sponsoring contracts have to be defended this way? (Obviously, it’s not just about Ákos but also about telling Big Bad International Enterprises not to hurt our little darlings…)
Question 2: Since when has cancelling a sponsoring contract turned into “discrimination”? I thought that in free market economy, enterprises are free to decide whom they support as part of their marketing. (Ha ha.)
For all who understand Hungarian, here’s a juicy parody of an old hit of Ákos’s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t257vuJbBPI .

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Thanks for that link to the Hungarian Free press!

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[…] László Kövér’s “unenlightened” remarks at the Fidesz congress the other day caused quite an uproar, as I reported earlier. Here, to refresh everyone’s memory, is what the president of the Hungarian parliament had to say: […]

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