Viktor Orbán, the man responsible for the statue honoring the anti-Semitic Bálint Hóman

After several false starts, perhaps today I will finally be able to write the real story behind the ill-fated Hóman statue intended to adorn a relatively small square in downtown Székesfehérvár. I wrote at least three times about the controversy over erecting a statue of a politician who had a major role to play in drafting the anti-Jewish laws of the late 1930s even if, in another capacity, he was a well-respected historian. But I didn’t have a full cast of characters, and I didn’t know who was really responsible for coming up with the idea for the statue.

Why do I only now have the opportunity to set the record straight? Because Prime Minister Viktor Orbán did his very best to keep the real story hidden. While foreign papers are reporting the Hungarian prime minister’s categorical stand against erecting a statue honoring a man who collaborated with “Hungary’s oppressors,” the Germans, it was actually Viktor Orbán who masterminded the grandiose plan of erecting three statues in Székesfehérvár, where he went to high school, one of which would depict the anti-Semitic Bálint Hóman. Once the scandal over the statue spread, Orbán tried to cover his tracks. He passed the buck to the locals, who in fact had nothing to do with the project except, at the behest of the central government, lending their names to it.

How did all this come to light? Of course, someone spilled the beans. Gyula Fülöp, the retired director of Fehérvár’s Saint Stephen Museum, was incensed when he read an article in Népszabadság from which he learned that the government was denying any connection to the Hóman statue. It was all a local initiative, János Lázár claimed last Thursday. So, Fülöp decided to speak up. First, he talked to Gábor Czene of Népszabadság and today to György Bolgár of Klubrádió. His revelations are critical in piecing together the story of the Hóman statue.

When did Viktor Orbán decide that he wanted to see a group of three statues on one small square in front of the Cistercian Gymnasium? We don’t know exactly, but the first statue, of Kunó Klebelsberg, the legendary minister of education in the 1920s, was unveiled on November 13, 2013. At that point László L. Simon, undersecretary in charge of cultural affairs in the prime minister’s office, approached Fülöp with the idea of adding two more statues, one of Gyula Kornis, a priest who was a close associate of Klebelsberg, and the second of Bálint Hóman. Fülöp, who is an archaeologist, was unaware of Hóman’s political activities and therefore agreed to “sponsor” the project under the aegis of the Arnold Marosi Alapítvány, named after the first director of the St. Stephen Museum. L. Simon assured Fülöp that there was money for the project. Indeed, soon enough he received a letter from the ministry of justice assuring him of the financing necessary for the two statues. Fülöp still has the letter, but in his conversation with Bolgár he couldn’t recall who signed the letter, although he was pretty certain that it was not Tibor Navracsics, the minister. “Maybe an undersecretary or perhaps a department head,” he said.

A year later, on August 22, 2014, Gyula Kornis’s statue was erected, but Hóman’s had to wait until a Hungarian court decided on his rehabilitation as a war criminal. On March 7, 2015, the court found Hóman not guilty, and the road was thereby open to erect the last statue.

Viktor Orbán immediately moved into action. He had been touring Hungary’s 23 largest cities where he signed “documents of cooperation” in which he pledged all sorts of infrastructure improvements, naturally on EU money. On May 26, 2015 he appeared in Székesfehérvár. Following the signing of the precious document, Orbán delivered a speech in which he said:

The first thing we must remember is that Bálint Hóman, who represented this city in Parliament, was recently fully rehabilitated in legal terms. This also means the rehabilitation of our city, and therefore we hail this decision. I’m glad that Bálint Hóman’s memory will not disappear in the city of Székesfehérvár, and we hope that his scientific as well as his public rehabilitation will also take place.

Indeed, Hóman’s legacy in Fehérvár would be especially vivid if he had a statue to memorialize it.

By that time, the statue was most likely ready, waiting for the day when it could be unveiled. But then came a snag. Gyula Fülöp learned about Hóman’s past and decided that he didn’t want to get involved in this project. He therefore withdrew the Arnold Marosi Alapítvány’s sponsorship. It was at that point that L. Simon, the middleman between Viktor Orbán and the locals, approached the Bálint Hóman Alapítvány to act as a sponsor.

Orban pinocchio

It was most likely during Orbán’s visit to Székesfehérvár that the mayor, András Cser-Palkovics, was told to get the permission of the city council to erect the statue. Cser-Palkovics dutifully delivered.

However, mostly because of pressure coming from the United States, the strategy had to be changed. Again, it was Cser-Palkovics who had to bear the burden and deliver a carefully drafted speech in which he passed responsibility for the project to the Bálint Hóman Alapítvány, with the proviso that if this foundation insists on erecting the statue they are free to do so. This is democracy, he claimed.

This response didn’t satisfy the U.S. officials who had gathered in the Hungarian capital. Robert Berschinski (deputy assistant undersecretary in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor), Ira Forman (special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism), and Nicholas Dean (special envoy for Holocaust issues) asked the Hungarian government to block the erection of the Hóman statue. These big guns from the U.S. State Department were not satisfied with Cser-Palkovics’s ambiguous statements. They wanted a straight answer from Viktor Orbán himself.

Yesterday Orbán had to say something because he received a question on the Hóman statue from Ágnes Kunhalmi (MSZP) in parliament. She wanted to know whether, if the civic foundation in Székesfehérvár decides to go through with the project, he would support it or not. Initially he refused to answer the question, but a few minutes later he decided to respond. He said that he couldn’t support the erection of the Hóman statue because the constitution doesn’t allow anyone to be honored who held political office after March 19, 1944, because any political activity after that date meant collaboration with the oppressors, i.e. the Germans. For that reason, he wouldn’t support a statue for Governor Miklós Horthy either. For those who know Hungarian, a video of the exchange is provided.

Just to clarify the historical record, Hóman didn’t really collaborate with the Germans. In fact, he was apparently the only Hungarian politician who paid a visit to Edmund Veesenmayer, the Reich’s plenipotentiary in Hungary, to express his outrage at the occupation. Admittedly, he remained a member of parliament after Ferenc Szálasi became the leader of the country and left Hungary with the retreating German army. His real crime, however, was the role he played in drafting the anti-Jewish laws and his discriminatory legislative activities against Jewish-Hungarians in educational facilities under his care.

As for Viktor Orbán’s role in this affair, foreign papers may hail the fact that at last Viktor Orbán spoke out and distanced himself from the project. Alas, not too many people outside of Hungary will ever know that the real culprit of this sickening story was Viktor Orbán himself.

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Zorgas
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This is fascinating background, highlighting the cowardice and weaselwordedness of this little man, the Prime Minister of Hungary. Whether hiding behind a curtain to avoid questions or behind the strawmen he sets up to take the fall for him, he somehow thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.

In this case, even when he was forced to cave and state clearly that he does not support a statue honoring Balint Homan, he couldn’t acknowledge what is at the center of the revulsion, that Balint Homan was a vile man who directly facilitated the ostracism and murder of hundreds of thousands of his fellow Hungarians because they were Jewish. Instead, Viktor Orban plucks dishonor from the jaws of valor and notes only that Balint Homan was in government after Hungary “lost its sovereignty”

I suppose it gets the job done. And yet, it sadly highlights that Hungary’s Prime Minister is not just against Western values, he’s against having any values.

Guest

Despicable. But nothing surprising.

Guest
London Calling! When the chief Lying Toad of lying toadum gets together with his lying toad lackeys he produces the best lies of all. Surely Toad Orban could have guessed things might go pear-shaped after the court found Hóman not guilty. Not guilty in March 2015! This is an unbelievable rewriting of history and unbelievably long due process. Surely the Americans have forced Orban into this mess? Well done Colleen Bell! The law, clearly, is what Orban says it is and is like the communists changing the truth – as in The Witness. It’s like Julius Caesar studying the pigeons and reading them to decide whether today is a good day to go to war. In reality it’s Orban getting out of bed and deciding what colour socks to wear. We love Hóman, we love him not, we love Hóman….. And now Horthy! “For that reason, he wouldn’t support a statue for Governor Miklós Horthy either..” Does that mean the Horthy in his plastic box in the church around the corner of Freedom Square in Bp is statua non grata? Are all Horthy statues now left swinging in the wind? The right result for the wrong reasons – Orban being… Read more »
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telling story:good work Eva:Clear who leads “the Pack”(Now member?)

tappanch
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Finances.

The gross government debt is fast approaching 26 trillion forints, as reported by Treasury.

11-20: 25.2049
11-27: 25.4815
12-04: 25.8356*
12-11: 25.9117

(modified number:
a week ago the reported number for the same day was 25.5054,
a mere 300 billion forint = 1 billion euro error)

tappanch
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Undersecretary L. Simon’s wife, who is a fitness coach, just “bought” 34.4 hectares of nature reserve near Velence lake from the state for less than 2000 euros a hectare.

The market price per hectare in the neighborhood is 5 times this amount.

A government-owned bank also gives cheap loans for the selected few that are allowed to buy at this big land give-away.

The Orban government will spend the entire revenue (which comes partly from itself!) to purchase new land.

http://www.blikk.hu/aktualis/politika/l-simon-laszlo-felesege-is-nyert-a-foldarveresen/tz3r4jw

tappanch
Guest

The Fidesz-packed “Constitutional” court permitted the scheme two days ago.

http://mkab.hu/download.php?h=1318

Member

The whole story is sordid enough, but I think the worst part is that “on March 7, 2015, the court found Hóman not guilty…” What’s next rehabilitation of Szalasi and Eichmann.

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Re the currently ongoing widespread Hungarian rehabilitation program of notorious antisemites like Horthy, Hóman, Prohászka, Nyírő, Wass, Tormay, etc, etc. I often wonder why is it so excruciatingly difficult for non-Jewish Hungarians, mainly on the right side of politics (the fascist antisemites), but also plenty on the left (the “anti-fascist” antisemites), to confront what the majority of their people did to their Jewish compatriots between 1938 and 1945, and honestly admit the truth of all of the crimes committed by their people against Jewish Hungarians in that period. All that Hungarians would need to do was to stop the double talk, stop saying one thing from one corner of the mouth and another from the other corner, stop declaiming one thing and doing the opposite, and just admit to the plain truth of the matter whilst showing some evidence of sincere contrition. This would then enable non-Jewish Hungarians and Hungarians of Jewish descent to come to terms with each other, which would make realistically possible a rapid process of reconciliation with outcomes that would enable both sides to move on and get a life. Instead, Hungarians engage in childish attempts at denying historical fact, dodging national and individual responsibility for… Read more »
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The only conclusion that I can draw is that Hungarian antisemites – the vast majority of the non-Jewish population of Hungary – appear to suffer from a species of mental sickness in their attitudes to their compatriots of Jewish descent.

I say “the vast majority of the non-Jewish population of Hungary,” because Hungarian antisemitism extends from the virulent antisemitism of the nazi/fascist extremes through the”everyday” antisemites to the gentlemanly (úri) antisemites, and to those who merely feel a strong distaste/distinct unease towards Jews. This, on the whole and overall, does indeed cover the vast majority of the non-Jewish population of Hungary today.

Member

I do think you are right. But we are a few that are determined to withhold the finest human tradicions.

Member

@mike balint

I realy apreciate your thoughts here on this blog. I do follow your thoughts and they are my thoughts too. When I visit Hungary, not so often as I want to, I have the feeling of a time travelling. I can hear the homeless talking about the “jews”. I can hear the world conspiracy against Hungary. The average people buy the orbanist rhetoric whitout any thouthgt. For now I think there is no hope for this country. It hurts whithout regards of your origin. BUT, we are some hungarians (not just etnic hungarians, but toths, schwabs, ratzes and others) are determined to save the finest humane values.

Best regards, A A N

Observer
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If they could do what you suggest they wouldn’t be Hungarians. Double talk, double standards, double dealing, they take pride in these, but cry foul if on the receiving end. There is no expression like “fair enough” in Hungarian.

Latefor
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@Mike Balint,
“What is the big deal for non-Jewish Hungarians about genuinely reconciling with compatriots of Jewish descent? What exactly is so difficult about that for non-Jewish Hungarians? Why could the Germans do it decades ago, and brilliantly, but Hungarians remain totally incapable of doing something similar to this day?”

Calling Hungarians “genetically inferior morons” does NOT help. Besides, as the saying goes: “it takes two to tango”.
And just for the record: I will NOT and I’m saying: I will NOT be turned into an anti-Semite! I’m strong! My beautiful soul is NOT going to be poisoned by all this venom!
Frankly, I’m surprised that Hungarian Jewish leaders are allowing some of you to continue this evil provocation on a daily basis. You would just love to see fireworks in that little country, wouldn’t you?
I hope and pray from all my heart that the Jewish/Christian religious organisations will step in and stop you to mentally destroy the remaining Hungarian people.

Guest

Latefor, go to politics.hu and read the comments of the main Fidesz protagonist “leto” and then we can discuss this again …

Guest
@Latefor 1. With all due respect, I never called Hungarians “genetically inferior morons.” That is your peculiar twisting and fudging of what Ákos Kertész wrote. I do not deny however that I consider most Hungarians benighted, including your good self. 2. No, Ms. Latefor, it most definitely does not take two to tango, when side A never did or does anything bad against side B, but side B did and does do a heck of a lot of bad things to side A, and does so entirely unapologetically. Hungarian Jews have always been and still are productive, upwardly mobile middle class people, or people aspiring to be middle class, whose work and enterprise have only benefited their country (except for a tiny minority who were communist terrorists). Non-Jews responded with hate, envy, discrimination, pogroms, looting, massacres and mass murder. It does not look to me at all that this relationship could in any way be regarded as a case of tango by both parties. 3. Your ignorant and malevolent responses tell me that you are most definitely an antisemite, albeit of the kind that vehemently protests that they are not. There are plenty of your kind amongst your countrymen back… Read more »
Latefor
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@ambalint –

Your comment is arrogant and appalling. You do have a real chutzpah, don’t you?
Would you please ring up the Holocaust Center in Melbourne and put in a good word for me. You see, they asked me to speak about a famous Jewish Hungarian in a no t too distant future. Maybe you’d want to inform them about me, the “useless scumbag ” who might not be worth the honour.
You do NOT know much about me “Mike Balint” and I ‘d suggest to go easy with your “antisemite ” labeling. I could present you with even better suprises, if I choose to.

Guest

@Latefor

And I was just as appalled by the mawkish disingenuousness, pathetic fudging and plain ignorance of your post, so we are quits on the count of appalling each other.

As far as chutzpah is concerned, I thought that my reply to your post had a very restrained tone, in sharp contrast to yours. However, if you perceive it as full of chutzpah, so be it.

It would have also been good, if you actually addressed in your reply the points I made, instead of throwing a hissy fit.

As far as the Holocaust Centre in Melbourne is concerned, so much the pity for them. And good luck with your talk there.

:-))

Latefor
Guest

@a Balint
NOW, this is what I call absolute, systematic humiliation, in the most psychologically demaging form, to create maximum affect. In your sick mind, the tortured supposed to bow for the torturer. . . Nice, so very nice. Another step towards reconciliation.
Lucky for the Australian Jewish Community that people like you are rare. I do hope that the decent Jewis people out there are reading your comments and act accordingly.

Latefor
Guest

Please see “The crime of ‘genocide ‘ defined in international law” re: ” Causing mental harm to members of a group etc.”
OR
“The mental element – meaning the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group etc”

In view of the above, some of you on this blog are using psychological torture against the Hungarian people of today.

I hope and pray that somebody out there will talk some sense into you to stop this.

Guest

So following your crazy mind, telling the truth is torture because it hurts?

Latefor
Guest

The Hungarians of today are NOT responsible for the Holocaust. Please respect the memory of the victims.

Guest

The “Hungarians of today”, like you, are responsible for burying the history….. of the looting, the discrimination and the Holocaust – and the discrimination continues – a continuum. You are part of the denial.

Latefor
Guest

@charliecharlieh –

I’d love nothing more than writing a long, detailed reply to you. BUT, I’m far too busy with organizing the busting of some crafty hackers re: manipulating my book sales etc. etc.
Cheers

Guest

don’t even try please

Istvan
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Could there be another country on earth that has as many controversies over various public monuments as does Hungary? Really this amazing. Hungary is a nation, maybe even more so than Germany, where almost on a daily basis the past haunts the present.

One of the illnesses of the United States is with the 24 hour news cycle, rudimentary historical education for the bulk of residents, and the theory of “disruptive innovation” the past has to be effectively overcome in order for American’s market driven society to innovate, history is more often than not simply ignored. Almost no popular news stories here are presented in historical context except in publications or media like the public broadcasting corporation aimed at the literati.

Hungary can’t effectively enter modernity if it continually operates in this twilight world where the past continually haunts the present. It is abhorrent that here in the USA we largely ignore the past to get on with the present, but it is equally disturbing that Hungary functions in a bubble where the past in the most literal sense totally impacts the present.

Guest

Isn’t it ironic that at the very time we must understand history and its relevance to the present and future we view it as an affectation left only perhaps for ‘historians’ who are the new arbiters of the past. Those intellectuals have fish to fry.

The study of history today appears to be relegated to the dust heap with all the concomitant effects on memory. Because we ‘don’t know’ ( or refuse to know) it makes pejorative revisionism as the ‘new work’ easier to project in these new-dangled illiberal societies. In Hungary today, the reconstruction of the past is prologue and it is swept through with a damming nefariousness within the halls of power.

Guest

Hi Istvan

You ask why there are so many controversies over public monuments in Hungary and why the Hungarian past haunts the Hungarian present.

I think that the main reason is that there is no generally accepted narrative of Hungarian history in the twentieth century, primarily because the 80-odd percent right-wing Hungarians are neither able nor willing to come to terms with a past full of failures, crimes, humiliations, guilt and shame, and very little if any successes.

So, in striking contrast to the Germans, instead of confronting honestly the full, painful truth of what was, and working through that, so they could move on and get a life, they are stuck in self-created myths, childish denials, pathetic lies and ridiculous conspiracy theories about their history.

That, I think, is the psychopathology of the mental state of most Hungarians, which then leads to controversies over public monuments and the past haunting the present.

Guest

I have always been interested as to why Hungary does not seem to have that ‘generally accepted narrative of history’ in the 20th or rather usually fiddling with the interpretation of it. From the looks of it the ‘zeitgeist’ within the country just doesn’t encourage those hard questions you asked. And if answers are coming the wrong people are rather working on and providing them.

In looking at Germany we can see they managed to undergo a great self-scrutiny at their past and have dealt with it. I’d think their writers provided some of that impetus especially the late WG Sebald who in his works opened up the German closet and let in some air to circulate about the guilt, shame and horrors of the country’s past. He gave reality to the German ‘ghosts’ that haunted the country. Perhaps Hungarian ‘Sebalds’ are waiting their turn to help in dealing with the ghosts as well.
A little self-examination can go a long way.. Perhaps even changing things.

Guest

Well said ambalint (Sounds like a medical dressing, Mike!)

“………..So, in striking contrast to the Germans, instead of confronting honestly the full, painful truth of what was, and working through that, so they could move on and get a life, they are stuck in self-created myths, childish denials, pathetic lies and ridiculous conspiracy theories about their history.”

I couldn’t have put it better myself.

I’ve been saying this for years – and your observation about Germany is so presciently apposite – they have healed the past and can now act magnanimously with the refugees.

In your compact quote lies the answer, I believe, as to how Hungary can be so callous and cruel (so ‘UnChristian’) to the refugees.

No Vergangenheitsbewältigung there.

Of course this also explains why they are not fit to belong to the EU – bye bye Schengen.

Guest
I often ponder the root causes of the Hungarian malaise, and I have come to the conclusion that there are in fact two principal ones. One is the delusional way in which Hungarians always viewed themselves ever since their aristocratic leadership, under the influence of the French revolution, began to consider creating a Hungarian national state, and in the course started to learn Hungarian, champion and finance efforts to develop a national literature, and in general began to identify themselves as Hungarian, from around the beginning of the 19th century. The more crucial root cause, however, was the attitude of Hungarian aristocracy and “nobility” to capitalism and commerce. In Britain, the aristocracy and nobility took to capitalism with relish, welcomed Jewish bankers and financiers with open arms from the time of Elizabeth I, and in general took to money-making, whether it be through trade, commerce, industry, buccaneering or banking, like fish to water. With such leadership, Britain became a relatively prosperous “nation of shopkeepers” and the pioneer of the Industrial Revolution by the mid-18th century. In Hungary, the aristocracy and nobility looked upon capitalism with a great deal of suspicion, and considered engaging in trade, commerce, banking or industry beneath… Read more »
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Very interesting.

You’re right about leadership – there’s a debate going on above as to how antisemitic Hungary is now – between 25% and 90%!!

If the leadership, culture and language are deprecating of Jews – and they are – then it’s much higher than polls convey. I put it further along to the higher end.

Language-wise Jew (zsidó?) in Hungarian is pronounced with concomitant disgust – and you still have the equivalent of ‘nigger’ without any of the sensitivity that it shouldn’t be used – I know, I’ve heard it.

Jews leaving Hungary and the way Orban manipulates them is all a betrayal of a long history of the persecution of minorities.

Only when Hungary has a decent leader will attitudes change. And I include the Roman Catholic Unchristian Church in this category of ‘leadership’.

And only then will Hungarian Roma, the homeless, women, LGBT – and the Jews have a decent society to live in.

petofi
Guest

@Charrllie

re: “Only when Hungary has a decent leader will attitudes change”

Sorry, my friend, it’s not even nearly so easy.
You excuse the everyday Hungarian who, not yet weaned from his mother’s generous teats, has already learned to burp, “Zsido” with his father’s disgust.

The malaise is deep-seated.

The healing begins with each and every parent lining up his 10year old or older and confessing to them, “You know, we have acted in a beastly fashion. Here’s what we have been doing for hundreds of years….Here’s what we did to jews in 1944. It was terribly, grievously, wrong. Neither the country nor the religious, Christian, leadership as ever apologized for it.
It’s high time we do…”

What do you think, Latefor? Do you go along with that?

Latefor
Guest

@Petofi said: “Sorry, my friend, it’s not even nearly so easy.
You excuse the everyday Hungarian who, not yet weaned from his mother’s generous teats, has already learned to burp, “Zsido” with his father’s disgust.

The malaise is deep-seated.”

Please see “The crime of ‘genocide ‘ defined in international law” re: ” Causing mental harm to members of a group etc.”
OR
“The mental element – meaning the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group etc”

In view of the above, some of you on this blog are using psychological torture against the Hungarian people of today.

I hope and pray that somebody out there will talk some sense into you to stop this.

Guest

And of course Orbán’s corrupt government/mafia have proved to be the absolute champions of barefaced looting since 2010, continuing faithfully in a “progressive tradition” (haladó hagyomány) that goes all the way back to pre-war Hungary.

Istvan
Guest

ambalint your discussion of Hungary during the age of the industrial revolution reminds me of the 1800s novel written by Joseph Eötvös de Vásárosnamény “The village Notary.” It was a biting critique of the lower nobility and society in rural Hungary and I am sure many on this blog being highly educated are familiar with it.

He despised in a way his own social class, but could do nothing about it. In another book Hungary in 1514 he actually blamed his own social class for the Ottoman occupation of Hungary due to their own selfishness . His anger at his own helplessness to change what was happening in front of his eyes is similar to some of the expressions of frustration I read in posts on this blog.

Although legitimately upset with the current reality of Hungary Eva our host somehow manages to carry on the fight with a sense that at some point Hungary will become a modern nation with democratic practices. She is very inspiring on many levels the more I read her.

Joseph de Maistre
Guest

Every country has the government it deserves.

Guest

@Some1

Hi again

Sorry to make such a nuisance of myself, but I have one more question, hopefully the last.

It appears that every time I shut down the computer I get automatically logged out, despite the fact that on registration I marked WordPress to stay logged in.

Is there anything that can be done to stay logged in after shut downs?

Member

Hi,
I am afraid, I do not have the answer. I would try to clean out my cache. Maybe that would resolve the issue. I hardly ever shut my computer down, I only put it to sleep, and restart with updates, so I am not sure if to would log me out. Maybe there are some security preferences in your computer that logs you out upon turning the computer off. Sorry I cannot be more help!

Karl Pfeifer
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Now Hungarian antisemites will state, that there is a world Jewish conspiracy forcing the leader to stand up against a statue for Hóman.

petofi
Guest

Ain’t it a wonder (and a joy forever) that, while the people are entertained with Orban’s heroic stand against jews of all stripes–including the ever-patient Soros who is personally responsible for the employment of about 500 Hungarians at CEU–the Fideszers happily go about gobbling up farmland at 20% of their value…and with the assistance of low-rate loans from the government!

If that reality isn’t gypsy shenanigans at its best, I don’t know what is.

Member

Can someone please get in touch with Newspaper Haaretz, and enlighten Judy Maltz?
Hungarian PM Condemns Plan to Build Statue in Honor of Nazi Supporter
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.692193

I have no idea what the Jewish State supports Orban after all the crap he is putting Hungarian Jews through? What kind of a journalism it is to take some Hungarian state released b.s. and publish it as fact?

Guest
I don’t know how familiar you are with the Israeli media landscape, where Haaretz, a quality broadsheet in Hebrew with also an English language presence on the internet, is the flagship media outlet of anti-Israel, anti-Zionist Israeli Jews. In more benighted social and political environments many of the journalists of Haaretz would surely be regularly up for treason charges, and it is often hard to understand why they actually continue to live in Israel, if it is as hopelessly corrupt and irredeemably evil a place as they make it out to be. It is therefore mighty strange indeed, that Haaretz – which has a visceral abhorrence of the unapologetic Jewish nationalism of the governing coalition, and never accepts anything the Israeli government says or does at face value – would nonetheless accept some disingenuous and plainly b.s. press release by the “Christian” nationalist government of Hungary. I haven’t seen the piece by Judy Maltz, because i stopped reading Haaretz years ago The end of the day, the dogs may bark, but the caravan of Israel proceeds apace . . . . . The best course of action would probably be a short email from yourself to Judy Maltz, referring her… Read more »
Member

I done just that. No reply from her….

Guest

[OT] The Belgian prosecutor in charge of hunting Salah Abdeslam is basically calling János Lázár a liar:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/world/europe/hungary-refugees-keleti-budapest.html

Another epic fail, after the Röszke ‘terrorists’ and the ‘international bomb crew’. But looking at the polls it seems the bigger the lies, …

Reality Check
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OT: This is how insane it has become. During an interview with EchoTV, Kovács Ákos, a famous Hungarian pop singer, comments about women’s role in society sparked controversy. Regarding a woman’s place in the workplace, he stated that “a nőknek nem az a dolguk, hogy ugyanannyi pénzt keressenek, mint a férfiak”, translated as “it is not a woman’s role to make as much money as a man”. He stated that a woman’s place is to belong to someone, to have children, that it is not written in the book of Moses that women should compete with men in the workplace, and that is no mistake that woman have wider hips and men wider shoulders. http://index.hu/kultur/zene/2015/12/14/a_noknek_nem_az_a_dolguk_hogy_ugyanannyi_penzt_keressenek_mint_a_ferfiak/ His comments prompted Hungarian Telekom (MT) to cancel their contract with the singer. This in turn prompted the Hungarian government to cancel all government offices’ mobile contracts with MT. Government spokesman Zoltán Kovács was quoted as saying that “we believe it is unacceptable that somebody could be discriminated in such a way for their opinions and views” and stated that such a move by MT was against the Hungarian Constitution. http://bbj.hu/politics/govt-to-dump-mt-after-telco-objects-to-remarks-on-women_108974 Sziget, the annual music festival, has yet to comment on whether they will cancel… Read more »
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A Sense of Hunor

Maybe it’s just wishful thinking or jubilatio praecox, but these mounting signs of wackiness from Orbanistan, compounding daily, are beginning to sound like the prelude to the inevitable implosion that all these Orbanistas have long been courting and so richly (sic) deserve. And maybe it’s been a good thing, too, that the cultural malignancy that prevails in Hungary has been channeled into and by the one homunculus that runs the show. When he takes the fall, maybe the nation will be weaned at last from its own moral incubus. The only other option (short of H’s becoming a little Nukeleated N Korea in the Karpathian Foggy Bottom, perhaps an appendage of Putina Zemlya) seems to be the rest of the world’s being transmogrified according to the dictates of the magyar self-delusion. Wouldn’t that be an absurd endnote to world history?

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Wolfi7777
And what are you, Wolfi? A pussy?

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Why Putin Endorsed Trump

Dead obvious. Corrupt, megalomanic wheeler-dealers have far more in common with one another than with anyone else. All they want to do is mobilize their mindless populace’s fears and hatreds against some common enemy so they themselves are left to pursue their depredations unhampered.

Sound familiar?

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/putin-trump-endorsement

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re: Putin endorsing Trump

I’m afraid you’ve lost the eastern mindset: in fact, Putin is well aware of the negative implications of his endorsement in the US. The last person Putin wants in power is a loose cannon who wouldn’t be subject to Putin’s scare tactics but would react in an unpredictable fashion….somewhat similar to the Soviet’s pianissimo
walk when Reagan took the presidency.

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The Hungarian government spearheaded by Janos Lazar decided to tell International companies who they can sponsor in Hungary or who they cannot sponsor!!!!!! It is not a joke!
After Hungarian Telecom (a German company) decided not to sponsor a Hungarian entertainer, who made derogatory comments about women, Janos Lazar in the name of democracy (no I am not kidding) ordered all government organizations to break their contract with said company!

At he same time he has no problem to support the entertainer who said that women should not earn as much as man, and “any equality between men and women is not normal.”

Clearly the Hungarian government in the name of democracy, openly DOES NOT SUPPORT
– equal wages between man and women
– equality between man and women
– free market
– freedom of opinion
– support for equal rights

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20151217_A_kormany_minden_szerzodeset_felmondja_a
http://444.hu/2015/12/16/lazar-megdobbento-hogy-a-telekom-felmondta-akos-tamogatasat
http://index.hu/kultur/zene/2015/12/16/kiszall_a_telekom_akos_mogul/
http://bbj.hu/business/lazar-mt-should-not-fire-akos-over-remarks-on-women_108946

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Lazar having stated that ““we believe it is unacceptable that somebody [Akos] could be discriminated in such a way for their opinions and views” “This makes me wonder what the government’s threshold is for justifying a private companies breaking a contract with a public figure. Claims of blood libel? Holocaust denial?

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I did not use the “entertainer”s name as not to provide him with free promotion.
Any women in Hungary who supports this “entertainer” indirectly contributes to the dire stet of women’s rights in Hungary. In a pervious comment I posted that in Hungary 3 x more women being murdered as a result of domestic violence than in the USA, 2 x more women than in Australia / capita.

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Hungary is a benighted country, and nothing illustrates this better than the social status of their women and the attitudes of Hungarian males to their womenfolk.

Ákos Kovács merely expressed what the vast majority of bigoted Hungarian males actually think. They are mostly their mommy’s spoilt little boys who expect their wives to slave over them and the kid(s) and the household in extended second shifts after a full day’s work earning a second and very necessary income. At the same time, they are stupid and boorish enough to feel vastly superior and contemptuous of their women.

The funny thing is that these days women can make vastly superior managers and leaders because of their superior networking skills and people skills, and bigoted Hungary is the big loser, a real dunce, in refusing to take advantage of an absolutely magnificent managerial and leadership resource that would really be there for the taking, had Hungarians possessed even half a brain and made it economically and socially possible for their womenfolk to shine in all roles and in all fields of endeavour.

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Edit capability seems to have again been lost,,,

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Stevan, make sure you are logged in when commenting. You would know if you are logged as on the top of the screen you would have a thin menu bar with your username on the top right corner. If you do not see that, on the top of the comment window you must log in via WordPress, Disqus, Facebook, or Twitter. Only people who are logged able to edit.

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I am logged in to wordpress, but I cannot edit.

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I will try to log out of word press and log in with gravatar…

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Logged in again to wordpress — testing to see whether I can edit…

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Now I think I’m in as member…

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At an auction, somebody has paid ten thousand dollars for the new painting
“Matolcsy sings the songs of unorthodoxy”
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Second attempt, I will put the link in quotation marks.

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The link you are trying to share is not a link to an image. It is a link to a webpage that retires the image. It could be as the image can be resized when you click on so it is not a “clean” image link.
You cannot embed webpages to the comments.

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Something that just struck me in the “Hol a határ?” video:
MSZP has only 4 female Parliamentary representatives (who incidentally only constitute 13% of their caucus), and I find it interesting that all four are visible in this video at the same time (from 4:25, when Demeter appears).

Is this intentional? Does MSZP want to somehow give the impression that the women in their caucus is larger than it really is? Perhaps no one else besides me finds this intriguing…

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