Eva S. Balogh interview with Benjamin Novak

I’m afraid this is a bit old. It was recorded on September 29, 2015, shortly after the Röszke incident on the Serb-Hungarian border. The reason for the delay was difficulties encountered with the placement of the subtitles. Click on cc to get the English subtitles.

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Wondercat
Guest

Distressed that my Hungarian permits only partial comprehension of what SEEMS an interesting discussion — no subtitles in what I can view.

Member

You look great Éva!

Guest

I got no subtitles though I tried several ways of clicking on ‘CC’. I will keep trying.

petofi
Guest

I gathered from the interview that the fellow was an American citizen, and from the end of the interview–when he said that he expected Eva’s opinion to turn for the better on Hungary–to be a Fidesz/Orban supporter. Too bad. He seemed like a good sort, but it’s definitely difficult to nay-say compliments about ourselves which are conditional on our support in return. Such, I deemed, to be his situation.
But Eva was good.

öcsi
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You say in the interview that everyone crossing over to Austria was helped by people smugglers. Not in our case. We had relatives who lived in Szentgotthárd and they knew when the guards were changed in the watchtower and we were told to run during the change of guards. Needless to say, we made it.

By the way, good interview.

Guest

Koszonom szepen for sharing your experiences. As I know too well, some decisions need to be made that impact the lives of people and …. countries. Unfortunately, one loses others gain.

Just a bit disconcerted on the right \’not liking us\’. But it goes with the territory. If we\’re \’traitors\’ I\’d find that disingenuous in the government\’s relationship to its people treating them like little children that have to know their place and keeping them in a deep sleep as they go about professing great concern on their welfare and protection.

It was good to hear and understand most of the interview in Magyar.
I must say I commend Mr. Novak on his command of the language . Not sure if he was born there or here. Something to emulate and push forward on. I picked up more \’big\’ words…;-)…

Zoli
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Yes, Eva remembers being welcomed in Austria. But does she remember going asylum shopping by simply crossing several other borders after no longer fleeing from Hungary? Did her fellow Hungarians just continue on to Germany or Denmark or France, or did they wait to be granted asylum in Austria? There are currently 60 million displaced people and a further few hundred million people with legitimate asylum claims. Not to mention tens millions of people willing to pretend to be asylum seekers in order to get in. If only 10% of these people decide to seek asylum in Europe in the next few years, by simply shoving up, Europe could have potentially tens of millions of people settling in, effectively leading to a colonization event by a very different culture, which is amplified in effect by the fact that the European population is now shrinking. So in effect, Eva and other like-minded individuals are proposing putting the very survival of dozens of distinct European cultures in grave danger. In this respect, you are all no different than the masterminds of the massive colonization policy of minority areas in Transylvania, with Romanians. You advocate a policy of cultural genocide, which is in… Read more »
Guest

Distortion, overstatement and exaggeration again from Zoli.

The EU has 500 million inhabitants.

Even 1m refugees are only .2%.

Scaremonger elsewhere please.

Zoli
Guest

Distortion charlie-style:

1) It is not about 1 million, 10 million, 100 million coming in one year.. It is about one population shrinking, the other growing, year after year. The end result can only be one in time. Time is the factor that you conveniently left out.

2) EU’s population is not 500 million Europeans it is 400-something million Europeans in decline, and a growing number of non-Europeans, which right now number in the tens of millions, and at this rate will surpass 100 million within about two decades.

You should stop hate-mongering against Europeans and their right to preserve their cultural and ethnic identity.

Guest

‘Integration’, mixing DNA, – people travelling in an ever decreasing globe – are all mechanisms that have been happening since man emerged from the crucible of Africa. The races are mixing like never before.

Integration won’t happen in your – or my lifetime. Millennia.

By the time you’re pushing up daisies the nasty Hungarians will still be the nasty Hungarians – possibly isolated in their self-pity and language.

In England many many Hungarians say “thank God I escaped”. And so many comment on how happy everyone is in such a cosmopolitan London.

Angela Kiss was on BBC Radio 4 this week echoing just those sentiments (she’s written a book – a Hungarian in England) – and added that in England she had been able to dream. And in England when you dream ” it can come true!”.

You know nothing other than Orban’s Commocracy and Corruption.

By all means preserve your horrible society – no one else wants it.

But one day you will understand that Orban betrayed you.

Guest

I’m assuming, of course, that you know Hungarians are already made up of about twelve different nationalities – so the mix his well under way. So much for your sick ‘Hungarian Purity’.

Your latent racism has no place here.

Zoli
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It is your hate for the existence regional cultures that should have no place. All cultures have the right to survive. Even Hungarians formed from a mix of past cultures, just like most cultures in existence today.

Guest

I think you’re anti cockney.

webber
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Charlie –
Even Zoli doesn’t want the society he wants to “protect.”
He has already said he’s not living in Hungary.
If he cared that much, I guess he’d move (back) to Hungary. I guess he’d rather make money and enjoy the good life than live in Hungary.

Guest

masterminds of the massive colonization policy of minority areas in Transylvania, with Romanians.
You’re showing your true “Hungarianness” again …
What about magyarisation of the majority in Greater Hungary by the Hungarian minority – which some people still seem to be bent on?

I always have to laugh at those “Greater Hungary” flags – especially when I see them on a car with Slovak licence plates – driven by a citizen of Hungary who doesn’t want to pay taxes in Hungary …

Zoli
Guest

For Wolfi:

1) Not about “Greater Hungary”, about respect for the right of ethnic minorities to survive.

2) Yes Hungarians did some bad things, but should point out to you that Transylvania was home to three major ethnic communities for 800 years of mainly Hungarian rule. After less than 100 years of Romanian rule, it is now home to two of those major communities, and even the Hungarian culture is now absent in an increasing number of towns and counties.

3) You are a great example of the fact that the Hungarian left is very much aligned with anti-Hungarian sentiments, so please, keep in coming!

Guest

I’m a German – and if any one of my friends would start to talk about “Greater Germany” as many Hungarians talk about Greater Hungary (and proudly show these bumper stickers which even include Croatia …) I’d send them into a psychiatric ward …

Zoli
Guest

Correct me if I am wrong, but did anyone in this conversation, aside from yourself mention “Greater Hungary”?

webber
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Zoli, from you that is rich! You constantly mention a lot of nonsense nobody else here even touched upon

Guest

I see those bumper stickers/ signs on cars every day – and read it on facebook too:
nem, nem, soha!

Guest

Is the blinkered Zoli alluding to the fact that Romanians suppressed Hungarian culture and language in Romania?

Didn’t Hungary do the same to Romanians? And the Germans? And the…….

Isn’t Orban getting too involved with the present-day Hungarians in Romania and destabilising the region?

Hungarians in Romania are Romanian and should be good citizens and integrate. Or move to Hungary.

But they would’ve done that already, wouldn’t they?

Or do they prefer the devil they know?

webber
Guest

Charlie – I hope when you are saying “Hungarians in Romania… should integrate” you don’t mean they should stop being/speaking Hungarian.
If all you mean is that they should take part in Romanian politics and life – chill. They do.
If, however, you are saying they should give up their culture and language, that’s about as clever as saying the small pockets of Gaelic speakers in Scotland “should integrate”, or that the Welsh who still speak their language and cherish their culture should just give it up, because the majority of people in Wales (more than 80%) speaks only English.
Hungarian culture in Romania is a treasure.

Incidentally, that is something decent Romanians agree with wholeheartedly (I recommend just about anything about Transylvania by the Romanian scholar Lucian Boia).

Guest

No! Their first responsibility is to integrate fully into their chosen society. Period. What they do in their leisure time is their business. They should also ensure their children are integrated too. Their first language should be the society’s they are living in.

They can ‘practice’ their culture – in a democracy.

Dual Nationality is hardly a demonstration of commitment – I understand Slovakia in this regard. If you don’t like the goods get your child’s bum off the counter. Move.

Wales – a country in its own right- is a non-sequitur.

However it’s easy, for example, for them to insist that teachers speak Welsh as an excluding mechanism for other teachers which they do – when the National language of the UK is English. Like Hungary there are extreme nationalists in Wales – and Scotland.

But thus has nothing to do with the Spectrum of Hungary.

The principal is: integrate integrate integrate.

Guest

Btw Orban’s support for ‘Hungarian-speaking-teaching’ schools is gross interference in another country’s affairs.

webber
Guest
Charlie, you are wrong. What you say is bigoted. There is nothing wrong with minorities being who they are. You are placing the onus on minorities, on the underdog – that is foul. Minorities have the right (by law in the EU, incidentally) to keep their culture if they so choose. You know very well that the Hungarians of Romania didn’t “choose” to live there. They were born there, as were their ancestors. They have the right to stay there, and to stay Hungarian. This isn’t an issue. Romanian law also protects their culture – that it hasn’t always is a shame – that it does now is glorious. By the standard you proclaim, the Saami (Lapps) of Scandinavia should just give up their culture and language because they don’t have a country. By your standard, the Swedes of Finland should either clear out and move to Sweden, or quit speaking Swedish (doesn’t work that way). By your standard, the very few Orthodox Jews left in Europe should quit living differently, and should fully integrate. They should give up being Jewish, keeping the Sabbath, and keeping kosher, and those who still know the language should (by your standard) definitely stop… Read more »
innocentbabes
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No, they should get their own country. They can’t assimilate nor do we want them to. The Swedes have one next door. The Lapps can secede. Others on the list also seem to have one so no problems.

webber
Guest

Ceausescu would applaud you.

Guest

They can ‘practice’ their culture – in a democracy.

webber
Guest

Oh yes, and by your standard the Indian Boarding Schools were just great. Before they were established, Native American children grew up speaking their tribal languages, and a lot of them never learned English. But all the kids who were sent to those schools ended up speaking only English. Great result, huh?
Before they were forcibly taken from their families, their mothers dressed them in their finest clothing, which was taken away from them and in its place these children got white clothing. Fully integrated. Do you approve?
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this stream has been edited – my comment removed.
It said: “What is it about “They can practice their culture in a democracy.” that you don’t understand? (for the third time)”

(For some reason they all appeared in yellow boxes)

innocentbabes
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Wolfi – are you a German, the way most people on this site are “Hungarian”? Hahahaha

Member

What does \”Greater Germany\” mean? \”Germany\” is a modern product in history. Germany as a state was formed only in 1871, the Hochdeutsch as a common language spread as a forced(!) language only in the late 18th century. Before that \”Germans\” spoke many languages, which were not mutually intelligible languages.

Guest

Silly boy, there were German Emperors long before the Magyars with their Mongolian spots invaded Europe!
But, as I wrote(and you might try to understand, Adam Adamovics) no sane person in Germany right now harks back to those (in)glorious times .- we’re looking into the future of the EU, which will be great without those silly little eastern Europeans!

innocentbabes
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There are plenty of such sane persons in Germany. PEGIDA is doing quite well. People are stopping to be afraid of the German Lugenstaat with its ridiculous queen selected by foreign interests.

innocentbabes
Guest

It does not matter where they came from – it matters only whether they are part of our tribe.

Guest

“Ceausescu would applaud you.”

Sometimes, webber you only read what you want to read – that’s if you read them at all.

Your arrogance shines through all too often.

I personally, prefer you not to read me at all if you are misinterpreting.

Your great ‘monoblocs’ – as Petofi has observed – make you ‘persona non reada’.

webber
Guest

For the third time “Their” (minorities) “first responsibility is to integrate.”
What does that mean?

innocentbabes
Guest

How wonderfully delicious. You guys should fight it out! Have Eva join in – perhaps with the Lancaster crowd. We’ll put it up on youtube. I bet we get we’ll get at least 2 views.

Member

Moreover, Romania is culturally very different country , it belongs to the so-called Eurasian Orthodox civilization, which is very different from the Western (Catholic-protestant) civilization. The Romanians have a very long late-nomadic past and lifestyle, until the end of the 16th (sixteenth!) century.

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