Adolf Hitler: “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed”

I’m going to talk about a topic some people might consider totally irrelevant, Viktor Orbán’s nonexistent dog Nárcisz (Daffodil). Nonexistent dog? Yes, that’s exactly what I mean. Viktor Orbán doesn’t have a dog, and the fanciful story he told about the family dog’s happy life in Felcsút is one big fat lie. His penchant for telling lies has always been a problem, but lying about a nonexistent dog may mark a new low.

How did Nárcisz get into the picture? On February 20 about 6,000 people gathered in Budapest to demonstrate against animal cruelty. In a country where it is very difficult to convince people to demonstrate, the size of the crowd indicated that a lot of Hungarians feel very strongly about the brutal treatment of animals which occurs far too often, especially in the countryside. Organizations against animal cruelty are also dissatisfied with the response of the police and the courts when dealing with cases of animal abuse.

Four days later a heartwarming article appeared in Blikk, a tabloid through which Orbán often sends messages to his people, about Nárcisz. Orbán told the reporter that six years ago Nárcisz was found half dead in the backyard of their house in Felcsút. The Orbán family’s vet managed to save her life. She lost an eye, but otherwise she is fine. In fact, a short while ago Nárcisz had a litter of twelve puppies. Orbán added that he himself will do everything he can to respond to the questions and suggestions of the animal welfare organizations. In fact, he said, he had already talked to the minister of justice about the problem. After all, he had, through Nárcisz, personally experienced the dreadful deeds committed by cruel men against innocent animals. For good measure his publicists made sure that Orbán together with Nárcisz made it to his Facebook page with the following caption in both Hungarian and English: “Both Nárcisz and I agree with the goals of animal rights activists.” The picture seems to have been taken specifically for the occasion.

The official “state news,” hirado.hu, a couple of hours later picked up the story of Nárcisz: “Viktor Orbán stands by animal rights activists together with his own dog.” But the problem is that no one managed to find any other picture of Nárcisz, who has allegedly been living in Felcsút for the last six years. Reporters found two or three pictures on which one could see Orbán together with dogs, but none of them was Nárcisz. In fact, in 2013 Orbán told Bors, another tabloid, that he would like to have a dog but a dog needs a lot of attention and he simply doesn’t have the time.

Eventually it was discovered that the registered owner of the dog is Gáspár Orbán, the son of the prime minister, who has been living on his own in a Budapest apartment at least since 2013 (I hope not sharing it with a litter of twelve). As a puppy Nárcisz was badly injured, but it is unlikely that some strange man managed to get into the backyard of Orbán’s “fortified” residence. A more plausible scenario is that she was run over by a car.

Narcisz

The long and the short of it is that Viktor Orbán doesn’t own a dog and the animal doesn’t live in Felcsút, as he claimed. What motivates this man to lie constantly? Especially about such a banal topic as the presence of a dog in the household? Why is he risking being unmasked? Why is he adding to the general perception that he is an inveterate liar or, even worse, a pathological one? Why do his advisors allow him to engage in these dangerous games? Don’t they warn him of the dangers involved in his constant lying? Are they that afraid of him?

Orbán plays fast and loose with the truth, especially when he gives interviews to foreign correspondents. In Hungary he has an easy time. He simply doesn’t allow reporters to ask him questions and he doesn’t give interviews, because his appearances on Fridays in the studio of the state radio station cannot be called interviews. During his first administration he was quite open about the fact that he would sit down with only one particular reporter. Naturally, it was someone who wouldn’t ask him anything that might be difficult to answer.

When he talks to foreign correspondents, however, he is in his element. He knows that no matter how well prepared the journalist is, he doesn’t know the ins and outs of Hungarian affairs. There are a few foreign correspondents who have been living in Hungary for years and who can speak the language, but he avoids them because they could question such statements as “there are one million [Ukrainian refugees] in Poland and almost 100,000 in Hungary. Nobody is talking about that anymore in the EU,” as he told Kai Diekmann of Bild-Zeitung. Ukrainian refugees in Hungary? Where are they? Of course, Diekmann didn’t question the veracity of this claim because it was highly unlikely that he knew the exact status of these so-called Ukrainian refugees. It is true that Ukrainian-Hungarians who lived next to the border area took advantage of the opportunity to become Hungarian citizens, but with their new Hungarian passports they moved farther west. These ethnic Hungarians became “economic migrants.” As for the numbers, the whole Hungarian population of Carpatho-Ukraine is about 200,000. So the figure Orbán cited is simply unimaginable. But do the readers of Bild or Business Insider know this? Of course not.

Not only does the boss lie, his underlings do too. In September 2015 Zoltán Balog, minister of human resources, claimed at a conference in Paris that Hungary had given shelter to 1,000 Coptic Christians from Egypt. This is how he tried clear Hungary’s name in connection with the country’s steadfast refusal to admit any refugees. The problem was that the small Coptic community in Hungary knew nothing about these people. Nonetheless, a few days later Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó repeated the lie.

Péter Györkös, the new Hungarian ambassador to Germany, came out with perhaps the biggest lie of all on German public television station. Györkös was installed in his new post only a few months ago, allegedly because his predecessor wasn’t “aggressive” enough. Györkös was a bit more modest than Viktor Orbán when he referred to the “tens of thousands” of Ukrainian refugees who are currently in Hungary. But what really raised eyebrows in Hungary was his claim that Hungary has a whopping 20% ethnic minority, which is burden enough on the country. This was his excuse for refusing to allow any refugees into the country.

It is a well-known fact that Hungary is an overwhelmingly monolingual country. Ninety-nine percent of the 9,896,333 inhabitants speak Hungarian. As for nationalities, there are 38,574 Romanians, 16,987 Germans, 11,820 Ukrainians, 8,852 Chinese, and 8,246 Slovaks. In brief, insignificant numbers. What Györkös did was to pull a totally false figure out of his hat when he claimed that the Roma population of Hungary is close to 20% of the population. First of all, according to the 2011 census fewer than 190,000 people declared themselves to be Gypsies. That is 2% of the population. The rest consider themselves to be Hungarians. As for the total number of people of Roma background there are only guesses, but it is unlikely to be more than 7% of the population. Klubrádió called the ambassador’s lies hair-raising, while DK said that the new ambassador brought shame to the country. The Roma community was equally if not more outraged. After all, they were offered as an excuse for Hungary’s inability to help the refugees.

Most likely the vast majority of his German listeners had no idea that the “aggressive” new Hungarian ambassador was lying. So he got away with it. In the “means justify the ends” world of Viktor Orbán, lying is an effective strategy for promoting his policies, one that the prime minister and his government will continue to pursue unless the opposition and the media fact check their every statement and counter all their falsehoods.

March 3, 2016
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Maybe what Györkös had in mind was the Hungarian Jewish community figuring as part of the nation’s ethnic burden? It’s a sentiment of long standing…

Many years ago, in the 1970s, when I lived in Princeton and my brother was visiting, we went to a Hungarian bookstore in nearby New Bunswick (NJ) where there has been a Hungarian emigré community since the early 1900s). We shook hands with the owner, a Mr. Somodi, who immediately began to address us “per du” (tegezés), delighted to hear that Hungarians who had emigrated at a young age so long ago (1949) still spoke Hungarian.

Well, we got around to inquiring about Hungarian restaurants in New Brunswick “because there are quite a few Hungarians living in Princeton.”

He asked: “Really? Who are these Hungarians?”

I cited, as an example, Eugene Wigner (Wigner Jenő, a Nobel laureate).

I can still remember Somodi’s words, from 40 years ago (no need to translate them into English):

“Wigner? Hát az nem Magyar, az Zsido!”

(Enlightened, by inference, about our likely ethnicity, I think he suspended the “per du,” and we suspended our browsing…)

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I’ll make it short. A friend of mine knew some of the population there in New Brunswick. Not for him. He said he never made friends with Hungarians. I think he mentioned something about ‘issues’. I let sleeping dogs lie.

webber
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The last time I went to a Hungarian-American event was the last time ever.
It’s not just New Brunswick, and it wasn’t just forty years ago.

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Let us not forget Pal Schmitt who was installed by Orban as President of Hungary in 2010. Even when it turned out that man is literally a fraudster, and a liar Orban and his government still stood up for him. Now he is retired with more monthly pension than 99% of Hungarians get, and he is still a prime citizen to represent Hungary on official business. How about the condo of Varga? How about Lazar’s baby son’s condo? May goodness Orban and his friends could not even tell the truth any more as they are caught in their web of lies and deceptions.

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“Most likely the vast majority …………… had no idea that the “aggressive” new Hungarian ambassador was lying. ”

As with the ambassador, so it is with BBC’s correspondent Nick Thorpe, Budapest resident of many years, who has been feeeding the British public lies about Hungary, either through omission or through straightforward falsehoods.

Foreign influence and pressure on Orbán and Fidesz could help end the mafia state, but without proper information and facts, it is not surprising that the rest of the world doesn’t really understand the dire situation here.

Apologists and lyers on behalf of Orbán and the Fidesz government, such as Thorpe, who is married to a right-wing Hungarian and has an agenda to present Hungary in a favourable light to the rest of the world, are partly responsible for the death of democracy in Hungary.

Éva is right in saying that the opposition should be vigilant, and every instance of each and every lie should be promptly exposed to the West.

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@time4change
That was a real eye-opener for me. I didn’t know this about Thorpe.
That explains why the BBC is so ignorant about what’s going on here in Hungary. But it also raises some questions about why Mr.Thorpe can get away with it for such a long time. It is also the responsibility of the BBC . In this case they should not be so proud of being objective.

csalogány
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I think Thorpe could get away with this unprofessionalism for so long because I suspect Thorpe is an important asset for the British intelligence. There is no other logical or even plausible reason. For starters in any normal media organization with foreign correspondents there is a normal rotation, apparently this doesn’t apply to the BBC or Thorpe. I guess his continued presence in Hungary is deemed way more important by his superiors than the professional issues raised by his apparent and long-standing infatuation with Orban and his system. In fact he has a much better access this way since in Hungary everything depends on Orban and Fidesz and Thorpe has unfettered access to them. If he was critical he would be shut out immediately. Of course Orban’s people know about his part-time job (nb: John Le Carre said recently that in the UK the intelligence community is as intertwined with business and media as in Israel and if you have an aunt she is probably working for MI6) so they feed him with bullshit too but it’s also a perfect cover, the serious bbc journalist . For Orban it’s a win-win (double win). The British (or the English speaking bbc-reading… Read more »
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cslogány
He would be “an important asset” if he reported accurately, which is not the case, so I do not think he has anything to do with MI5.

In any case, whatever the imperfections within UK organisations, I still feel it is one of the most civilized and just countries in the world, which is why it is so surprising that the BBC is so ignorant and obtuse about their correspondent here.

But then look at how many years Jimmy Saville managed to hide his activities in plain sight, under the cloak of that auspicious organisation.

No, I think the Beeb, like so many foreign news organisations, reply on their staff abroad for proper reporting. That this is not happening in Hungary is truly disgraceful, especially in view of the many complaints.

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My understanding is that over the years, several complaints from the British expat community in Hungary have been lodged with the BBC about Thrope’s biased reporting.

The BBC replied by closing ranks and simply not accepting the criticisms, and so he contiues to “report”.

More recently, Kim Schepple also lodged a complaint about Thorpe, who had printed an inaccurate and misleading article after he had interviewed her. What the upshot of that is, I do not know.

But I do know from local sources that immediately after some of the complaints about Thrope, some nasty, silent phone calls were made from a line in Budapest, to the private phone of the person who complained.

So in Hungary, the BBC is not only not reporting properly about misdeeds, but is an active participant in perpetrating them.

Looks like not much has been learned after the Jimmy Saville fiasco.

webber
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Thorpe, like many journalists, treasures being close to government. He needs the inside information. His employers need it. So, from time to time, perhaps he does a little favour for the Great O, to stay an insider.
The danger in this, for him, is what happens when O finally goes? He has burnt bridges with a lot of people for kissing a…

Judging from his writing, Thorpe now has virtually no clue what is happening outside Fidesz circles (that goes for Adam Le Bor’s writing too, in my view).

I remember CNN’s Alessio Vinci, who had an inside track with the Milosevic government. Everyone was jealous of Vinci’s scoops until one day a little revolution broke out and Vinci was feeding lines from his Milosevic handler to CNN — Nope, nothing happening here. I am assured that the government has everything under control, and this is just a temporary disturbance of the sort we’ve seen repeatedly over the past decade or so…–

The Serbian Parliament was burning as he said that.

I expect the same sort of nonsense from Thorpe.

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webber
It is some time since I have read any of Adam LeBor’s articles, and I assume you mean in The Economist, but I aways found them more balanced and objective and critical of Orbán, than any of Thorpe’s.
Like Thorpe, LeBor is also married to a Hungarian, but I suspect her leanings are not towards Orbán, unlike Thorpe’s right-wing wife.

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The BBC /THORPE BS is no mistake – I wrote twice re factual mistakes, among ridiculous assessments, no reply. Well, even the CIA blundered pretty often.

Ethinic stereotypes or pathology, Orban hardly says anything more than two sentences without some lies, half-truths or “csúsztatás”. One is much closer to the truth if one believes exactly the opposite. Foreign media take note.

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London Calling! “IF YOU TELL A BIG ENOUGH LIE ……” I thought it was Goebbels who said it. But it has been attributed to many others including Stalin. And I thought Hitler adapted it? I know you’ve been reading about Hitler, Eva so maybe he claims it too. It’s interesting that Hungary had some road junctions named after Hitler and Goebbels – was there ever a Stalin Utca? “………lot of Hungarians feel very strongly about the brutal treatment of animals which occurs far too often, especially in the countryside.” Well, my experience is different if I interpret this as intended. One of my first experiences of Hungarian village life was to discover the village was one of 500 people and 2000 dogs – all left to roam, bark and defecate on the streets 24 hours a day. Yes of course I exaggerate – but it certainly seems like it at times. The concept of picking up doggy doo in Hungary is unheard of. The concept of letting your dog defecate on your grass verge, pavement and road is fully understood and taken to an art form. All too often you are aware of the ominous odour as you drive off… Read more »
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Charlie, I’m totally with you! Though of course there are people who treat their animal humanely too – it’s always fun when we come to our neighbour to buy eggs and the rooster (Gyúri is his name) calls his harem because he knows that some times we bring remainders of salad or even carrots when my wife drinks carrot juice … So these are happy free range hens but we also see twenty or thirty hens locked in a small cage … That constant barking all night was the first strange thing I realised in Budapest (in the posh Buda hills even …) when I came to Hungary the first time almost 20 years ago and of course it’s the same in every town or village. When the postman (or anyone else …) comes it’s like a wave of sound moving along the street … And often people have two or more dogs where the alpha animal bites the other which may not come to the fence to salute our dog when we pass bye. The treatment of animals is another point which shows that many (not all of course …) Hungarians are at least 50 years behind! I feel… Read more »
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@charliecharlieh
March 4, 2016 4:00 am

You should see the cruelty with which Arab farmers treat their animals, much worse even than Hungarian country folk, which is bad enough. Shocking, absolutely shocking in both cases, but ever more shocking in the Arab cases. Except for the nomadic Bedouin, who treat their free ranging goats just fine. The difference between the kindly way Jewish farmers treat their animals in Israel and the cruelty of the way Arab farmers treat theirs just next door is absolutely incredible.

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ambalint
I know of a Hungarian man who bred dogs. According to his neighbors, when he decided he didn’t need and couldn’t sell a particular dog, he would electrocute it to death with a contraption he had built himself. They said the sounds and smell were awful. He buried the corpses in the yard. Nobody reported him.
Not far from where that man lived there was a stable where the owner simply stopped feeding and giving water to horses he didn’t have any more use for. The man got in trouble for dumping the rotting corpses in a nearby field, without burying them.
Shall I go on? I could, for quite some time in even more brutal detail.
I am not saying “Hungarians are like that.” But I sure don’t think you should go around saying Arabs are “more cruel” than anyone else.

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Re the treatment of animals: Even here in “rich” Hévíz and its surroundings many people (not all of course …) treat their animals badly – a lot of underfed cats which are not neutered of course (much too expensive …) so they produce lots of young ones which don’t last long however … My wife sarcastically remarked that at least the foxes around the village get enough food … I probably told that story already about those two wild cats which managed to produce offspring – our neighbour and us each kept one of the little sweet tomcats which really are a joy to watch, playing and hunting. And they even are friends with another young tomcat which we kind of adopted – he gets fed and sleeps in our garage, though he’s still very shy, I an only touch and stroke him when he’s feeding … And there are many dogs still on a short chain or in a small cage without a chance to move or play – the owners never go for a walk with them. You should come with us when we walk our dog through the village and watch the reaction of some of these… Read more »
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Wiki attributes this to Hitler also:
A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
Göbbels seems to have adopted that later.

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wolfi777
Hadn’t seen this wording, but looks exactly exactly like what Orbans doing. Lies, damn lies, Fidesz.

Latefor
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Victor Orban is a winner! He should be concentrating on the female votes now. How about taking some shots with a couple of cute kittens? I know he loves animals.

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“IF YOU TELL A BIG ENOUGH LIE AND TELL IT FREQUENTLY ENOUGH, IT WILL BE BELIEVED”

Even to yourself.

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I think Latefor was sarcastic. Kittens? LOL Little bunnies too. Orban would pose with anything for a few votes.

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Some1, no, latefor means it – she loves O with all her heart, warts and all and believes every woman thinks the same …
He’s such a good Christian -his only fault in latefor’s eyes is:
he’s not a Catholic – but almost …

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“Whilst the Oh So Birghts are busy with “creative destruction” the “not so brights” -like myself- are studying the Bible. There is not much we can do. For now, that is.”

Latefor
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I’m very proud of this post. Thanks for your kind research, Charlie.

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Ah yes, when I have time and time again enumerated the many Hungarian “virtues” on these pages, I tended to omit habitual and compulsive lying. That is because it is so common among Hungarians in Hungary that after a while one doesn’t even notice it. Hungarians are inveterate and barefaced liars. That is part and parcel with their inability and unwillingness to take responsibility, so for instance if one Hungarian blames another Hungarian for something, the second person will always and inevitably refuse to accept responsibility, squirming and claiming that it was actually someone else’s fault, never their own. They seem incapable to just fess up, apologize and move on. In everyday Hungarian life, lying to each other is as common as saying “good day,” breathing the air or drinking water. Thus Orbán & Co are simply doing exactly what everyone else does in Hungary; in constantly and habitually lying through their teeth, they are simply being absolutely faithful and true representatives of the people who elected them to office, as well as of most others who did not. Compulsive and habitual lying and the associated unwillingness to take responsibility and inability to fess up seems to be an absolutely… Read more »
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Correction: “. . . about what THEIR fathers and grandfathers . . . ” in the scond sentence of para 5.

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Yes! I’ve witnessed the bare-faced lie in Hungary! – Blatent flagrant – treat you like an idiot – unabashed look-you-in-the-eyes dirty lie. English afternoon tea is a delightful social occasion when we invite groups of friends to the house in Hungary. Yes with cucumber and assorted sandwiches with the crusts cut off, pots of tea, damask napkins and tablecloth and cake stands of cakes. Served on dainty plates and bone china tea service. Proper tea! In a teapot using loose tea and fresh milk. (However not many Hungarians can cope with a proppa cuppa! But they really enjoy English afternoon tea!) My partner knew of a patisserie and we went there. As she selected the cakes for the assistant to wrap them, I watched in shocked astonishment! She prised each cake selected with fingers under each confection time after time. As each cake deposited stickiness on her fingers she carried on with the large order – placing them on a tray wrapped around with waxed paper. I had watched her, whilst in the queue, take money from the previous customer without gloves. She never washed hands in the basin behind and I was speechless. And she took the money in… Read more »
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@latefor:
Didn’t you tell us already that most Hungarians adore O?
And those who don’t will regret it, sooner or later!
You’re a really fine example of ignorance – you should try to live in Hungary once for a month. I’m sure you’d find people to take all your money …

@Mike and Charlie:
What you’re describing are common attitudes all over the world – from own experience I can tell you however that not all Hungarians are like this!
It seems my wife is a special example – after we met she told me things like:
Don’t do business with that guy, this guy is ok, that shop has correct pricing etc …
Some of that I knew already from own experience – I had made my list of people/businesses whom I could trust up to restaurants which were worth visiting and others which to avoid …

The funny thing was that her list had enough overlap with mine – she living nearby …

Actually “correct” is one of my wife’s favourite words – often in the form “nem correct” however …

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@wolfi7777 Today 8:08 am –“What you’re describing are common attitudes all over the world – from own experience I can tell you however that not all Hungarians are like this!”– As to the second half of your sentence, I heartily agree. Of course there is a small minority of decent, straight thinking people in Hungary. Unfortunately however they are the exceptions that prove the rule. As to the first half, I beg to disagree. Usually I am in complete agreement with what you write, but not in this case. I had a lot of experience in my life with a variety of nationalities and races, including Australians of various ethnicities, Americans of various ethnicities, Germans, Chinese, Israeli Jews of various ethnicities, Arabs and Hungarians. I found that a habit of continuous barefaced lying and backstabbing was common only among Arabs and Hungarians, as was habitual abuse of trust and biting the hand that fed them. In that respect Orbán is superbly representative of his electorate. I soon enough decided that Arabs and Hungarians can’t be trusted and it is best to avoid their company, to avoid employing them and to avoid being employed by them. I found Germans and Australians… Read more »
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And the English? I know it’s o/t but I had to ask!

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@charliecharlieh
Today 11:32 am

I love and respect the English and nothing makes me happier and prouder than the fact that our language in Australia is the English of Kent and Dover, and that our culture, legal system and institutions are all true-blue British.

My son-in-law is a sixth generation Aussie with English, Scottish and Irish forebears, and the grandchildren are bronzed, blonde Aussies mad about surf life saving and sport in general. And through my son-in-law, a very large tribe of Aussies has become close and dear family to us.

Need I say more?

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I completely share your passion for English afternoon teas! There is simply nothing better. We get our tea from Tesco’s, since they are cheapest source of PG tips.

And if you think this is a lowly brand, please note that at a professional tea tasting test in the UK, blilndfolded expert tasters picked PG tips as the favourite!
You just need to open the box and sniff, and you can be transported to the tea plantations of Sri Lanka, orwherever it comes from.
It really is the best.

When in Londn, my first port of call is Liberty’s department store, to their tea room for tea and scones.

But any good hotel will also do. Tea is just bliss, especially shared with friends, and your aforementioned damask napkins…I introduced my students to cucumber sandwiches, which they loved! But must be on thin sliced brown bread, and freshest unsalted butter.

You and your wife are cordially invited, charliecharlier, for afternoon tea!

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Why thank you time4change! Yes PG tips – loose – is the best. My aunt used to buy herbs, spices and teas from a shop in the Elephant & Castle in London which had been there for over a hundred years – owned by the Twinings tea family – now sadly gone. The Twinings member of the family explained that PG tips was best everyday drinking in his view (and Twinings are a competitive company making many types of their own tea – but not PG tips). He said that the tea at the top of the tea chest was used for the loose tea – and all the dust at the bottom put into the tea bags – they are called the ‘sweepings’ in the tea trade – so in short the rubbish! I was weaned on PG tips (which I’m sure you know used to mean Pre-Gestive tips. Pre-Gestive to try and convince you that a cuppa before a meal aided digestion – so good for health – and good for sales! A claim, that if fully expressed on the packet today, would be disallowed. The tips meaning the tips only of the tea plant.) We are coming… Read more »
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Now even more OT:

When I was younger I would drive regularly, i e several times a year, to London (via ferry, later also the tunnel), often after having worked in Cologne or Düsseldorf (saved me a few hundred klicks) to buy science fiction books for my collection.
And on the way back I would always bring PG tips for my tea-loving friends, also lots of bacon and of course baked beans and stuff from the Chinese shops in Soho …My favourite bookshops were “Dark they were and golden eyed” and later the Forbidden Planet (owned by a group of very nice young Jewish businessmen whom I also met …). We often had a few German beers together (I usually brought the allowed max of 50 liters …) before I drove back the next day – if you stayed less than 48 or 60 hours the ferry was only half price!
Those were the days – of course a visit to Camden Market and Portobello Rd was obligatory – and King’s Rd had the latest fashion stuff!

PS: I usually took the midnight ferry and slept a few hours there so I could arrive early Saturday morning for shopping …

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I am not sure where you live, wolfi, but you can get lots of things from the UK in Budapest. not just at Tesco’s but through a chap who runs the British Pantry, online.
Maybe you already know about it.

And now Marks and Spencers at Mammut has a small food section, to my delight! Just stocked up on golden syrup today….

I think we should all thank Éva, for the opportunity to use her brilliant blog as a platform for sharing food tips!

With things being so horrendous here, viz politics, it makes a pleasant change, just briefly, to share ideas about something wholly innocent and irreproachable, such as food!

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I will ask Éva to forward you my email, and do please have tea with us.
We are in Budapest, and not travelling over the hols, so will start washing the damask napkins now…….might even try making scones.

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Thank you, but we live near Hévíz – and we will have our young ones who live in Budapest visiting us over Easter and enjoying my wife’s cooking …

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Re: lying and truth in Magyarorszag

As the sun rises and sets the country is heading for disaster if there is no allegiance to truth in its society. For how can a society then order itself with priorities on a public and individual basis? Indifference to truth and accepting the communication of lies will lead to a societal wreck. If this goes on Magyars will have to reflect on how far lying will sustain them in their very singular world.

Palika
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When I first arrived in England from Hungay as a schoolboy I soon realised that the culture of exam cheating (puskazas) and a general absence of veracity were not an integral part of English middle class life, unlike what I had got used to in Hungary as the norm. In Hungary being caught out on a lie was never a serious matter. It reflected the country’s rather casual relationship with truth or the facts. The tribal nature of Hungarian society, presumably reflecting its ancient Asiatic cultural history that regards clan loyalty more important than indulging in strict observance of at least this one of the 12 Commandments. Sadly, the story of Narcis and her putative owner is just another illustration of how little facts matter in Hungary. Anything can be stated or denied regardless of the truth without any appreciable consequence. Orban has known this all his life. I was intrigued to read about Nick Thorpe and his wife’s politics. BBC foreign correspondents are an interesting group of journalists. But above all that is what they are, full of the irritating imperfections of their trade. Let me give an example. The BBC Bangkok correspondent reported dutifully on all the troubles… Read more »
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@Palika March 4, 2016 1:51 pm –“The tribal nature of Hungarian society, presumably reflecting its ancient Asiatic cultural history that regards clan loyalty more important than indulging in strict observance of at least this one of the 12 Commandments.”– Are you serious? :-)) Hungarian cultural history is simply a Balkan cultural history along the fault lines between Germanic and Slavic influences on the one hand, and between Catholic and Orthodox influences on the other, with a pinch of Turkic and Moslem added here and there. And the last Hungarian that would have been a direct descendant from one of the Hungarian tribes that entered he Carpathian basin, and thus an inheritor of that “ancient Asiatic cultural history,” would have passed away centuries upon centuries ago. Today’s Hungarians are not an ethnic group, but a language community. They are descendants of a large number of Germanic, Slavic, Turkic and other ethnicities that settled over time in the area of what used to be the Kingdom of Hungary, and mostly became Magyarized only in the 19th century through the adoption of the Hungarian language, Magyarizing their surnames, and registering themselves as Magyar in nationality. The Hungarian language itself was only revived and… Read more »
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Correction: “. . .”12 Commandments” . . . ” in first part of para 5.

PALIKA
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Apologies for the typo.

Ambalint has really helped our understanding. I am not sure how much authentic material is available about the Hungarian past. It would be interesting to read your views about what I wrote about the relationship between Hungarians and the truth. I assume you agree, because the issue you picked is a bit beside the point. What is your view about the evident Hungarian disregard for the truth or for that matter the facts?

Observer
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Good summary!

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Palika,

I agree that journalists are after all fallible human beings and naturally have their biases.

However, there is a strict code of conduct in the BBC, and one of their guidelines is that their foreign corrsepndents are moved regularly, precisely so that they can remain as impartial as possible and not be tempted by vested interests in their host countries.

This is clearly not happening in the case of Thorpe.

Furthermore, as a reliable source has revealed, menacing telephone calls were made to a critic of Thorpe.

It was neither the BBC nor Thorpe who made the calls, but someone very close to him, such as a family member, and most likely without his knowledge.

That such sinister consequences, within the exalted echelons of the BBC, follow justified reports of bias, are completely unacceptable.
And it is unacceptable that the BBC does nothing about it.

If the Hungarian phone service were not so unhelpful to its customers, the perpetrator of the calls would have been identified ages ago, and Thorpe would no doubt be sacked from ever working for the Beeb again.

PALIKA
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Time4change, I share your frustration with the BBC and with Thorpe. My illustration of the BBC’s Bangkok correspondent was intended to reinforce the point that we should not expect much from the BBC. The BBC is not, contrary to its propaganda, an impartial and independent broadcaster. Like most large organisations it has its own approach of political correctness. We now know we need pay little attention to either Thorpe or to the Bangkok chap. As for Hungary we should be glad we have Eva to help our understanding.

webber
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I will tell you one thing – somebody put that dog’s eye out, and I would very much like to know who.
I have some ideas – domestic violence seems most likely. If it’s Orban’s son’s dog…

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Hm, the dog’s name itself, you know what it may mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

tappanch
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Transparent tenders among the public tenders in Hungary, 2015

County Fejér : 20%
County Vas: 25%
County Szabolcs-Szatmár: 25%

County Csongrad: 40%
Budapest: 47%
see p. 63

“Corruption risks in Hungary 2009-2015”
http://www.crcb.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hpp_2016_crcb_report_2016_hu_160303_1.pdf

Géza
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Don’t use the “big lie” yourself to make your point! About the quote! Hitler is accusing the Jews the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying. The false quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler’s familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated: “In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation) “Truth is the greatest enemy of the state” (Goebbels) The… Read more »
tappanch
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After origo.hu, the online newspaper vs.hu has also been acquired by Matolcsy’s cousin.

http://nol.hu/gazdasag/egyesithetik-a-vshu-t-es-az-origot-1604785

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Rather OT or not?

O will be in Azerbaijan soon – remember the story?
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Zsuzsa
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made from the same cloth as the American Hitler

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