Viktor Orbán’s “veto” turned out to be a hoax

The Hungarian media was abuzz for a few hours late last night with Viktor Orbán’s “veto” of the agreement between Turkey and the European Union at the March 7 summit in Brussels. If you visit the official site of the Hungarian telegraphic agency, MTI, you will find that its reporter learned from “sources in Brussels” that the summit was abruptly cancelled as a result of Viktor Orbán’s veto of the direct transfer of refugees from Turkey to the European Union. The report was filed at 20:06.

If MTI’s inaccurate reporting had remained the only source of the news, it wouldn’t have spread so fast as it did, all over the world. But Zoltán Kovács, government spokesman, decided to write on Twitter at 20:44: “Orban has vetoed EU-Turkey plan to relocate asylum seekers directly from Turkey.”

Less than an hour later, at 21:18, MTI returned to the subject of the veto. This second MTI report, written in Budapest, followed an interview with Zoltán Kovács on Channel M1 of the Hungarian state television. Here, the abrupt cancellation of the summit was changed to “cessation of the negotiations on the direct transfer of refugees from the Turkish refugee camps.”

Right-wing papers were singing the praises of Hungary’s great diplomat and statesman who had the courage to say no to the powerful heads of state of the European Union. But it didn’t take long before Hungarian reporters found out that there was in fact no decision that Orbán had the opportunity to veto. What happened was that during the discussion of the Turkish suggestion to transfer Syrian refugees directly to the European Union several member states objected to the details of the plan: Greece, Italy, Cyprus, France, and Hungary. Most likely, as Kovács indicated, the Turkish suggestion will have to be reworked to be acceptable to these countries. And indeed, discussions will take place in the next week or so between Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, and Ahmet Davutoğlu, the Turkish prime minister, to modify and fine tune the proposal.

European leaders hailed the summit as a breakthrough because Turkey offered to take back all migrants who cross into Greece in the future. Of course, the deal comes at a price: doubling EU subsidies to care for the refugees from 3 to 6 billion euros and “a commitment to take one Syrian refugee directly from Turkey for each one returned from Greece’s Aegean islands.” In addition, Turkey asked the EU to speed up visa free travel for Turkish citizens and to open negotiations about EU accession for Turkey.

Aat today's press conference Angela Merkel looks very satisfied with herself

At today’s press conference Angela Merkel seemed happy with the results

So, let’s return briefly to the issue of the direct transfer of Syrians from Turkey to the European Union, which Orbán didn’t veto but only objected to along with several other member states. What is it all about? Is it really bad for the European Union countries?

First of all, let’s see what the plan would actually entail. Let’s say that in the future, after the agreement takes effect, a boat arrives in Greece from Turkey with twenty illegal immigrants, ten of whom are Syrians, five are Afghans, and five are Iranians. All twenty will be sent back to Turkey, according to the plan, but for the ten illegal Syrians, one of the European countries could choose ten Syrians currently in Turkish refugee camps. They would already have been vetted. Moreover, the host countries could make their choices based on the professional background of the asylum seekers or on any other criteria, like educational attainment, marital status, or age. Amnesty International considers this selection process immoral, inhuman, and shortsighted.

As far as Viktor Orbán is concerned, he repeatedly stated that Hungary will never accept quotas, compulsory or otherwise. In fact, in the most recent Friday morning interview he said that in Hungary “there will be no breaking through the fence, no revolts in refugee camps, no bandits hunting for Hungarian women…. We will not create a Europe out of Hungary, which will remain a safe place.”

The impression in Turkey is that Orbán doesn’t want any Muslims in his country, period. The Turkish Gazette Vatan quoted an Orbán statement at length, where he exhibited his anti-Muslim prejudices. According to the paper, Orbán at the summit said: “In our view, countries can accept a large number of Muslim immigrants. It’s their choice, but we do not want to…. [The direct transfer plan] doesn’t apply to all EU countries. If I gave approval to this plan, people would hang me from a lamp post in Budapest.” If it is indeed the case that not all EU countries will be required to take Syrians straight from Turkey, Orbán’s “veto” becomes especially ridiculous.

Fidesz’s official assessment came this afternoon. The spokesman for the party was Deputy Chairman Gergely Gulyás, who stressed that “at last the leaders of the European Union accepted the same position that Hungary has always represented, meaning that the borders of the European Union must be defended.” This is an incredible statement because we remember only too well that Orbán first demanded that Greece defend its 10,000 km. of coastline by force and later suggested amassing an international contingent to intercept boats carrying refugees. This deal with Turkey bears no resemblance to Orbán’s plans. But such discrepancies have never bothered any of the high-level Fidesz politicians.

Gulyás stressed, however, that the Hungarian government considers the agreement as it now stands “not in Hungary’s interest,” and therefore “in its present form it cannot be signed.” The government mouthpiece, Magyar Idők, followed suit and collected a host of negative opinions about the results of the summit, mostly from French papers. Magyar Nemzet, on the other hand, criticized MTI, Zoltán Kovács, and the state television for misinforming the public.

At the end, Angela Merkel herself set things straight when this morning she gave a press conference, during which a reporter asked her about Viktor Orbán’s “veto.” “There was no talk about a veto but about some disputed questions. You are familiar with the Hungarian point of view concerning quotas. They even went to court on this issue. This standpoint hasn’t changed. We still have to find answers for a score of questions or have to discuss them in the different parliaments. That’s why we said that we welcome the Turkish proposal but we haven’t given the nod yet.”

Orbán may have strenuously objected, but he still approved the final statement, which contained the provision for compulsory quotas. That’s why Zsolt Gréczy, spokesman of the Democratic Coalition (DK), said that the only thing Orbán is doing at the moment is trying to divert attention from the fact that within two weeks he twice voted for the compulsory quotas. Gréczy pointed out that the final document specifically mentions the necessity of speeding up the dispersion of refugees in order to lighten Greece’s burden. I am really looking forward to that final nod, to which Merkel referred. I’m sure that, despite all the theatrics, Viktor Orbán will be one of the signatories.

March 8, 2016
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Guest

London Calling!

Zoltan Kovács again! Lying toad!

One of the major problems with the plan is that refugees have to be assessed in each individual case.

Whilst it is probable that many from Syria are being persecuted and in fear of death – not all will be.

Similarly all those coming from Pakistan won’t all be economic migrants – some may have a legitimate claim for asylum.

This is why the UN thinks the plan may be illegal – you simply can’t decide on Nationality who is – and who is not – a legitimate refugee according to the 1951 Refugee Convention.

It’s quite possible that the plan will be scuppered through the international law being breached rather than through Orban’s and Kovács filthy lies.

Wait and see.

(Orban and Lieutenant Liar Kovács are loosers. Case closed.)

Regards

Charlie

petofi
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“Loosers”–you’re a card, Charlie!

nwo
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In any normal country facing the demographic tragedy over the long term and the immediate shortage of professionals in so many areas that Hu now confronts, the ability to “cherry pick” immigrants would be considered a “God send”. Most of Europe (and certainly all of Southern Europe) should be fighting to get the pick of the refugees. Sadly, Hungary is not a normal country and this era is not an “normal” era.

Guest
Guest

nwo- you are not normal. As you should know most migrants have no education. 40% are analphabets. They do not speak the language. Would take years to get them in to the workeforce, of course if they want to work, because most of them just want to go to “Germoney” where it’s so easy to take advantage of the social system.

webber
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Guest, you are quite wrong. Among Syrian refugees there are doctors, physicists, engineers, you name it. All of Syria is on the move.

Observer
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@Guest

Where did you get the 40% analphabets ? You either have no idea about Syria then or you are just lying as customary for fideszniks.

Guest
Guest

You brainless liberal, most migrants are not from Syria, they come from all over( Afganistan, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc) some of them are coming with fake Syrian passports. Have you been to any of the refugee camps? I have. You know the education standard in Syria and other countries where they come from? Also they do not speak Hungarian wonder how many years and investment to bring them in to the workforce. Specially when so many Europeans are jobless….

Guest

Who says Syrians want to stay in Hungary?

Even most young Hungarians want to leave Orbanistan – didn’t you know?

Guest

PS: The number of jobless people in Germany is at an all time low – many small businesses are looking for bakers, smiths etc – jobs which Germans don’t want to do …

@guest:
Are you afraid that Syrians in Germany and Switzerland will take the jobs of Hungarians there?

Tyrker
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wolfi: “Who says Syrians want to stay in Hungary?”

That’s the problem with the whole “quotas” idea. In theory, quotas are good – I used to support them. But what you allude to is a very serious issue – no Syrian wants to stay in Hungary (or Bulgaria, Rumania, Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania – even Austria, for that matter). They are hell-bent on moving to Germany or Sweden. They aren’t really interested in being settled in any other EU member state. Thus, the quota system will not work.

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Guest
the point nwo made was that countries that take refugees as part of a quota MIGHT cherry pick intelligent and skilled people from among them to fill the quota (doctors, engineers, physicists).
To that you said they most of them have no education.
Some of us then pointed out that among Syrian refugees there are some highly educated people.
Nothing you have said contradicts that point.
Nwo’s point is valid. It should be possible to select highly educated people from among refugees.
Chill, dude.

Tyrker
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webber
It won’t work like that. The Turks aren’t stupid – they will not allow European countries to cherry-pick all the intellectuals, professionals and skilled workers and leave it to the Turks to deal with the illiterate, the unskilled and the jihadists. Get real.

webber
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Wanna bet? There are a lot of people already in Europe, and the numbers they are talking about for quotas are so small that the people here already would fill them ten times over.
Who says the Turks will have a say in any of that?
Get real yourself.

Tyrker
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“Who says the Turks will have a say in any of that?”

The proposed agreement stipulates that for every Syrian taken back from Greece, the EU has to resettle one Syrian from Turkey. Of course the Turks will have a say in who will be chosen for the journey. And you can bet they will want to get rid of the most problematic individuals, first and foremost. Did you think European officials can walk in a refugee camp in Turkey and pick whoever they want? The Turks won’t let them choose – why would they?

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@webber March 9, 2016 8:53 am Methinks you are getting a mite Panglossian with your boosterism about Syrian skills, professional qualifications and knowledge of one or another of the European languages. :-)) Yes, of course there is a small minority among the Syrian refugees who have all that. But if we remind ourselves that the refugees from Syria are almost all Sunnis who come mostly from peasant backgrounds (and would not necessarily be fully literate even in Arabic), or are town Arabs who are not really that much different in skills and competencies from their brothers and sisters down the farm, PLUS if we take into account the fact that most of them are young males in their late teens and early twenties, I would say that the pickings are going to be very slim indeed, if Europe were to be looking for significant numbers of doctors, dentists and scientists among the Syrian refugees. A minor point is that professionals among the refugees, would more than likely need to re-certify their qualifications in their new country of residence to European standards, since Syrian qualifications are not necessarily recognized in the West. Europe is likely to have a far better chance… Read more »
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Inadvertently omitted in the last para two of the most obvious and most likely areas in which Syrian refugees (1) without any particular qualification, or (2) could acquire the necessary skills and trade certificates reasonably quickly, and would therefore be able to obtain immediate or almost immediate employment:

1.
The unskilled labour market, such as municipal services (roadworks, sewerage bulding and maintenance, rubbish collection, waste processing, cleaning, public parks maintenance, and so on), or fill unskilled labour vacancies in factories and farms.

2.
Occupations such as aged care, hospital and hospice service work, truck driving, taxi driving, gardening and so on, subject to obtaining or having the necessary skills and certifications.

This would be a significant boon and windfall to West and North European countries struggling with labour shortages in all these segments of their labour markets, though not necessarily to Hungary and other East Block countries where labour shortages tend to be in the more upskilled segments of their respective labour markets.

Member

And what refugee camp that would be, where you were? Calling others by names by the way is the last resort of people who just not to smart to come up with some solid points. Where is your information from by the way? Did you do a survey in “your refugee camp”? lol

“most migrants are not from Syria” WRONG
Between January 1 and June 30, 2015 according to Eurostat data were from Syria
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You know the problem with those who hate liberals is that they are actually very liberal when they are throwing around their opinion that is based on their own preconception and supported by no facts or data!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

Tyrker
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The problem with that statistic is that it relies, to a great degree, on self-identification by the migrants themselves. In 2015, it was – and still is – worth it to identify yourself as a Syrian if you speak Arabic as a first language and want to get into the EU. European officials are not well-versed enough in Arabic to tell someone with a Moroccan accent from a true Syrian, And when you have no passport, they will have to take what you say at face value.

Member

Maybe some percentage, but please take a look on those numbers…

Guest

@Some1
March 9, 2016 11:59 pm

Some percentage? :-))

Member

@Guest

I think this kind of language is not acceptable on this site. How dare you take that tune of someone else whom you don’t know?

spectator
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The “demographic tragedy” seems averted, great solution in the making!
Just look at this, and cheer up!

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On the red banner it says: “God’s gift the Hungarian child”
Great, isn’t it?

In case anyone sane enough and start wondering, here is some details in Hungarian:

http://index.hu/belfold/2016/03/05/nemzeti_nepesedesi_konferencia_jobbik_nick_griffin/

“Bring one more Hungarian to world” — Give birth to one more Hungarian — since there isn’t enough stupid morons as yet..!

webber
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Inspiring. I will go there and give birth, immediately.
In real life, Hungarian children are disappearing nationwide. There are now signs hanging in my neighbourhood with picture of a girl who disappeared a week ago, on her way home from school.
It’s sickening.

Guest

Oh dear! Nick Griffin is British having been convicted if racial hatred and is a Holocaust denier.

A Jobbik party all on his own (actually the British National Party BNP) and he was an MEP.

Definitely a ‘was’ in English Politics. Nasty.

A real loser – is that why he’s in Hungary?

Member

@charlie

Griffin in Hungary is just like Orban in Azerbaijan. Same pathetic stupor.

Andrea
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I am wondering what is wrong with that. You are talking about a small nation which has the right to survive, same as any other nation”Give birth to one more Hungarian — since there isn’t enough stupid morons as yet..!” this just show how weak minded you are. Congratulations

Guest

Hmm… Every Nation has a right to survive. Humanity requires that everyone has a right to be treated equally and without discrimination. No Nation has the right to practice racism, xenophobia and descrimination.

But you won’t see it like that.

Observer
Guest

You have a point, but this poster is extremely kitschy.
The meeting is organized by confirmed fascists – guess what the speeches there would be like.

And most importantly – if you care about Hungary you should be rallying against the Orban regime which is sucking the blood of the economy, destroying the edifice of the country and rotting the body of the nation. Hungary will survive one way or the other, take North Korea.

Guest

O/T

“Welcome Zoltan Kovács. Please would you tell us what your Prime Minister has been doing lately?”

“Well, Prime Minister Orban – Our Well Respected International Statesman – well loved and revered the World over – obviously destined for the Nobel Peace Prize – brings peace to neighbouring countries as an elder statesman wherever he goes.

“His recent intervention in Slovakia being typical of his peace and wisdom – his sage advice in advising Hungarians to “do your duty” and vote in the Slovakian elections – dispensing a recommendation to vote for the Magyar Közösség Pártja (MKP) will be appreciated and followed.

“His commitment to – and understanding of democracy is legendary – and his aura of world statesmanship is Churchillian.

“The Hungarian Prime Minister brings leadership and understanding wherever he treads and the Hungarian-speaking residents of Slovakia will follow the spiritual leader of the fatherland unfalteringly.”

“What? – Has this come from MTI?”

“Oh Hell….”

“MKB lost? Didn’t even get 5% for parliamentary representation?”

“But he never looses! He always win! The world envies and copy’s him. They don’t understand…..”

“Ungrateful lot…”

“Well he’s off to chat to the Hungarians in Romania…………..they’ll see sense.”

“OK Romania. My Prime Minister is wondering if you fancy joining his Visegrad 4 club?”

Observer
Guest

Love it! Tnx

Mihal
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I would have liked to write that Orban is the big loser of the summit and Fidesz is caught lying again, but this is not the case. Even the serious newspapers all over Europe wrote the news about the “veto” of Orban. He is the hero ones again to many. Not only the extreme right, but basically every group that is against the EU or the influx of migrants. Most of these groups have no idea who Orban is and that he is so corrupt that he is more the leader of a criminal organisation then a prime minister of a country. It’s the incompetence of the other leaders that without contributing anything to the solution, with just one simple lie he is in the spotlights again. We can see it as weak of Orban that he is signing the agreements that he is against, but what does it say about the others when they allow him to get away with signing and not keeping what he has signed…over and over? If you look at the pictures of Orban between the other prime ministers it’s so obvious he is ignored and disliked….still he is building his illiberal empire with the… Read more »
Tyrker
Guest

“Even the serious newspapers all over Europe wrote the news about the “veto” of Orban.”

They were all quoting Kovacs – no one else (ironically, not even Orban himself) confirmed his words.

Guest

Yes – it was all over The World Service of the BBC – and Nick Thorpe was nowhere to be heard!

Member

Meanwhile, as hvg.hu also pointed out, Hungary did manage to veto an EU decision. Namely, on Monday at the meeting of the Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council, Hungary alone refused to support the adoption of conclusions on gender equality and LGBTI equality. As the super-ministry of Human Capacities explained (http://www.kormany.hu/hu/emberi-eroforrasok-miniszteriuma/hirek/magyarorszag-a-magyar-es-europai-ertekeket-vedelmezi-brusszelben-is), “Hungary is defending European and Hungarian values in Brussels as well”. Women’s rights are OK, but the council wanted to handle them together with the LGBTI issues, and this was deemed unacceptable. Because “for our country it is absolutely important to defend the principles and values formulated in our constitution, and we are and will not be able to support decisions which do not reflect these values” (that is, the sanctity of heterosexual marriage as the only family form which is really deeply rooted in Hungarian culture?). In other words: “obliging us to treat our gay people decently would offend our values and our national sovereignty”.

Observer
Guest
Re lying toads – Orban’s form of political life is lying and cheating, and this has become the norm of the whole appalling regime. A couple of fresh examples of the week: • Government administration employees were promised in 2015 pay raises for June this year by no less than János .Lázár. Now this has been “modified”: only the regional offices’ employees i.e. 17 000 of the 87 000 in total, will be included. • Through the last year government officials have been claiming that KLIK (the national administration of education) is functioning well and all is good. Now the same authorities announced proudly that the government is acting and has paid 90 000 outstanding invoices of suppliers to the education system. • András Bencsik, editor of the weekly Democrat (the most extreme right printed media outlet) took part in the Csat (Confrontation) program on ATV on March 8th. There he accused his democratic opponents of “looking for a dog turn in the blossoming lush green of Hungary” today. • In the same program Imre Kerényi, an Orban faithful, theater director, (of no record setting IQ and with no discernible knowledge of economics or law) was confronted with the issue… Read more »
webber
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Wait on KLIK – we’ve heard announcements like this before about bills paid which have turned out to be lies. I’ll believe they’ve outstanding invoices when the people at the local swimming pool tell me they’ve been paid.

webber
Guest

I’ll believe they’ve paid outstanding invoices when…

webber
Guest

And what you mention is just a small taste of it all. I refuse to turn on Echo T.V. or watch or listen to any programme with Bayer, Bencsik, or Kerényi. I am also no longer curious about anything the court intellectuals János Simon, István Klinghammer or Ferenc Horkay Hörcher might have to say. They have lent their services to lies on t.v. for six years without stop, and have been repaid with grants, support for publishing their work, and all the rest – intellectual prostitutes, all of them.

Guest

Just looking at Echo TV without understanding Hungarian is just so weird. It looks like a cross between North Korean TV and David Icke’s loony website.

Do people really believe this stuff? It’s so obviously lacking in integrity and believability.

Do we know the viewing figures for this channel? Not that I’m sure they would illuminate anything further.

Guest

I should have used ‘amateurish’ – but that applies to so much of Hungarian TV.

Guest
Guest

Than why are you watching it? Go back to your shithole country and spread your hatred over there. Without understanding Hungarian- as you are saying- you write critics on something you have no idea about- sounds below stupid.

webber
Guest

Guest, this picture from Szent István hospital in Budapest looks like how you write:
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Magyarország jobban teljesít.

Member

Are you sure it is not from the stadium in Felcsut?

Member

From both places, I guess.

Member

Did you ever watch a foreign movie? I guess you never did. You only watch Hungarian movies. Why did you even bother to learn English? You should be just stay home in your sweet Hungarian village, produce babies, go cheer on Orban on March 15, donate your money to stadiums, get out and lay some wreath on some Stalinist leader’s grave, and prey for the Azeri axe-murderer and Orban to ensure they will be looked after well!

Member

Leave us in peace!

Observer
Guest

“Guest
I understand Hungarian and it makes it much worse.
And why are you calling Hungary shit-hole country? I thought your ilk you like it so.

Guest
“Go back to your shithole country and spread your hatred over there.” Aww ‘Guest’ but I visit Hungary regularly. I love visiting Hungary – how can you describe it like that? Pastoral Hungary is fantastic! And so are most of the people – excluding people such as yourself, of course. Hungarian society is great ! – except perhaps for the Magyar Guarda, the fettored media, the TV, the political system, Parliament, Fidesz, Orban, the stolen pensions, the racism, Zoltan Kovács, the xenophobia, Viktor Orban, corruption, Janos Lazar, more corruption, Fisherman soup, doggy doo everywhere, the intimidating Rendorseg, the terrble health system, barking dogs, expensive butter, run down hospitals, expensive cheese, rude un-smiling shop assistants, dirty trains, smoking everywhere, long waits in restaurants, smokers at next table while you eat, dishonest traders selling defective lawn-mower parts, the ‘fideszic’ judiciary, Elliot Kft’s lousy Street lighting, the potholes, lack of pavements, more dog-doo, Orban’s stupid letters and waste of money, petrol attendants insisting you put more expensive fuel in your car, people who threaten you with knives in supermarket car parks for money, more doggy doo, car-part traders who up an agreed price, dangerous drivers, Security staff who frisk you illegally, Trappista cheese,… Read more »
Guest

“Apart from this – what did the Romans ever do for us?”

….Anti-Semitism, MPs urinating in shoe memorial, kitsch Gabriel monument, stallholders selling dud batteries, hate, Hungarian Roma discrimination and ghettoisation, trolls on Eva’s blog, kuruc.hu, flashing amber lights at night at road crossings, stale Kenyer, poor hygiene in cake shops, rotten eggs, queuing systems turned off, unfathomable queuing systems, telephone system never working, slow slow (expensive) internet,

“Apart from this – what did the Romans ever do for us?”

webber
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Now, now, let’s not get silly. We could start listing unpleasant things in the UK, starting with the state of the streets and public security on a Saturday night – really, really awful, and incomprehensible to most people who aren’t British (it’s not done in Canada, the US, or most European countries).
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Still, I love the UK – just not on a Saturday night.

Guest

Yea! But I didn’t mention litter? (!)

Was it a football stadium? !!!

webber
Guest

Each country has its own problems, doesn’t it?

British plumbing, for instance (don’t ask if you don’t know – the rest of the world does) – never seen anything like it in a developed country. Incompetence does not begin to describe the work done by your average British plumber – it’s a proud tradition of intentionally awful plumbing, going right back to Henry VIII.

That’s a bus stop.

Guest

No – Ours is the the next stop.

Plumbing is fine! – I have done everything on my house – as I do In Hungary. The hot water and Central Heating I put in,in 1981, is till going strong!

A great number of the Plumbers – and builders – in London are from Poland -and they run very successful businesses – and are very very good.

Remember we have many old old buildings which makes plumbing difficult – My house was built in 1902.

I wasn’t aware that the USA was particularly noted for its plumbing?

All those trailer parks must be a shining exemplar of USA plumbing?

It’s impossible to get plumbers in Hungary – they never turn up. (Oh! I didn’t put it on my list!!)

webber
Guest

British plumbing is a quiet and constant topic of conversation amongst foreigners visiting your land. Don’t let me get started about your drains, and your taps.
And since it’s what you all have and have had forever and ever, you think it’s fine, you actually believe it’s proper.
You do your own plumbing yourself… Says it all, really.
Do you do the wiring, too?? (also fairly substandard in the UK, in general – though not as bad as the plumbing)
Polish plumbers – my point exactly. They know their business. You need more.

Ron
Guest

This is in Cardiff Wales. That does not count.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8784306/Cardiff-after-dark-Maciej-Dakowicz-photographs-the-nightlife-of-the-Welsh-capital.html?image=2

At least these guys have a good time over there. Good for them.

webber
Guest

Birmingham count?
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Oxford?
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Guest

I think we had better stop – this is HS and with no relevance. However one swallow doth not a Summer make – nor three or four. Your selective pictures do not give a ‘balanced picture’. The Hungarian media are obsessed with what you have just done – but it’s still not representative.
However your anti-UK stance shines through.
‘First plot your curves -then mark the co-ordinates’ is never the best way.

webber
Guest

Ha!
I take that as tongue-in-cheek of the best sort – a parody of the Hun. nationalists who appear from time to time here (incidentally, I adore Britain – just don’t like it on a Saturday night)

webber
Guest

(lived over there, you see – liked it a lot, would like to go back, but… let’s be honest: the pictures above could have been taken in any market town on any Saturday night)

Observer
Guest

@Guest

And you’re right – one can go elsewhere to spread hatred, there are enough frenzied hatemongers at work here.

Guest

‘Guest’ seems to have done a runner?

Must have been something we said?

Observer
Guest

Guys,
I was just reporting the today’s (likely) lie on the lie of yesterday. Of course I don’t trust them a tiny bit, I was watching ATV and there they were these, ..dog turd was the right word in my previous post, BTW.
Where were we ? Yes, lying toads; I also have formed a firm opinion and don’t need a thousand more proofs that they are fascists and criminals.

@Charlie
These stations often look grotesque, but they also sound like a psycho ward talk: e.g. about the “world’s clandestine power” (háttér hatalom) conspiracy gatherings in the woods, or about the microchips injected with a vaccine in order to control the people from computers in Tel Aviv.
Oh man, I’ve heard them and more.

Last point – David Icke is mostly loony, but these psychos are hate mongers and instigators too, I quote recent phrases: “hanging from the lamp posts”, bodies (of liberals/leftists) hanging with the only garment of Columbian ties”. And this is what they publicly spell out …one can guess the mental condition …

webber
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OT – According to breaking news, President Áder did not sign the law that would have made funding for foundation from the National Bank a state secret, and more than doubling the Bank governor’s, Matolcsy’s, salary.
Instead, Áder sent it to the constitutional court for a decision on its constitutionality.
Who would have thought?
I’m going to start watching for flying pigs.
News here:
http://civilhetes.net/ader-janos-nem-irta-ala-az-mnb-es-a-posta-penzugyeit-titkosito-torvenyeket

guppi
Guest

Wasn’t this foretold? The problem is, the basic assumption is that the constitutional court is a serious court. No. It’s a kangaroo court consisting entirely of partizan fideszniks (their clerks are even worse, if that’s possible). This is a show. Áder can look serious. The court will say something and the new law will be enacted in 2 weeks’ time.

Member

Bingo!

webber
Guest

Also OT: Orbán has declared a “migrant” state of emergency. This could backfire on him. Who will believe it? It’s all a lie. There aren’t many refugees to speak of anywhere. I haven’t seen a single one in Budapest. The official data – from the government – about the numbers of people crossing the border shows there are hardly any at all.
News here:
http://civilhetes.net/orbanek-sajat-torvenyuket-sertik-meg-a-valsaghelyzet-kihirdetesevel

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How could he keep the people out of the streets otherwise on March 15?

spectator
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“At today’s press conference Angela Merkel seemed happy with the results”

Well, my wife wouldn’t..!
If the ‘results’ measures that big, that is.
Must be the effect of the Orbanian “veto”, based on the size 🙂

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😀 (:D

tappanch
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The retroactive part of the new MNB law about making secret and private certain assets of the National Bank MNB has become partially obsolete.

atlatszo.hu has received the protocols of certain MNB decisions between Matolcsy’s takeover in March 2013 and April 2014.

http://atlatszo.hu/2016/03/08/bongesszen-mnb-igazgatosagi-hatarozatokat-hogy-lassa-hogyan-veszti-el-kozvagyon-jelleget-a-penze/

Fidesznik president Ader sent the MNB law to the fidesznik “Constitutional” court today.

http://index.hu/belfold/2016/03/09/ader_janos_mnb_postatorveny_veto/

spectator
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“Keeping up appearances” — I protested, but have been overruled! Oh well…

tappanch
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Tappanch, I have often wondered: What is the hope behind the various requests for information, often ignored, dragged out, or challenged in court? Does anyone have any doubt that the bottom line is that Orban destroys or falsifies data if he is forced to release it? I don’t have an alternative strategy, but is it not risky to act as if the information that is released is valid?

Istvan
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Tappanch I am very confused who exactly from the US Embassy are the Orban operatives accusing of being the handlers of the spies? Was it former Chargé d’Affaires Jeffrey Levine, or who they are talking about. Are they talking about the Office of the Senior Defense Official and Defense Attaché to the embassy? Are they talking about Col Tim Manning, USAF, Chief for the Office of Defense Cooperation at the Embassy? I have read of no expulsion orders coming from the Hungarian government for any US Embassy staff.

This entire saga is like a bad spy novel. But it could well become a bad spy novel with consequences for Hungarian US diplomatic relations down the road.

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