Fidesz exports its ideology and methods to the neighbors: Serbia and Slovakia

I have the feeling that most Hungarians living within the country’s borders would be appalled if they knew how much financial support ethnic Hungarian parties receive from the government in Budapest. Here I will write about the Hungarian government’s reach into Serbia and briefly cover its failure in the ethnic politics of Slovakia.

The area of the Autonomous Province of Voivodina has a population of about 2 million people, most of whom (66.76%) are Serbs.The next largest ethnic group is Hungarian (13%). The area has autonomous status, and the Hungarians have their own national council (Magyar Nemzeti Tanács). The Hungarian government supports the Voivodina Hungarian Association (Vajdasági Magyar Szövetség / VMSZ). István Pásztor, who became chairman of the VMSZ in 2007, has developed a close relationship with Viktor Orbán, with all the benefits that it entails.

To the surprise of everybody, including the leadership of VMSZ, in November 2015 Levente Magyar, undersecretary in the ministry of foreign affairs and trade, announced a 50 billion forint package for the improvement of agriculture and tourism in the Hungarian-inhabited areas of Voivodina. Thirty billion will be given in long-term low-interest loans, and the rest will be an outright grant. This grant is supposed to put an end to, or at least slow, the emigration of Hungarian youth to western Europe. VMSZ will decide how this money will be distributed.

All three Orbán governments have meddled in the political life of the Hungarian communities in the neighboring countries. The financial assistance they extend to the Hungarian minorities is based on ideological considerations: only those parties receive assistance that are close to the right-wing nationalist worldview of Fidesz. Viktor Orbán prefers monolithic parties, the kind he himself built at home. Apparently, István Pásztor is that kind of a leader but, unlike in Fidesz, some people in VMSZ objected to Pásztor’s style. Orbán noticed the rebellion that was brewing in the party and warned that “it is not in the interest of Hungarian national policy that the unity that has been achieved in the Southern Territories (Délvidék) in any way be damaged.” He indicated that his government will not assist any such deviance from the party line. Fidesz hoped that this incredible amount of money would strengthen Pásztor’s leadership, but this doesn’t seem to have been the case.

István Pásztor and VMSZ received the money in November 2015, and by February 2016 Népszava reported that eighty persons had been expelled from the party just before the April national election. Considering that the party has 11,000 members, this number doesn’t sound large enough to do much damage. However, some of those who were expelled are important personages in Voivodina politics. For example, Jenő Maglai, the only Hungarian mayor of a large Serbian city, Subotica/Szabadka.

If political unity in Voivodina comes to an end and if different Hungarian parties compete against one another, the strength of the Hungarian parties will dissipate. This is what happened almost everywhere Fidesz politicos interfered. Romania is perhaps the best example, where at one point two new Fidesz-favored parties tried to weaken the Romániai Magyar Demokrata Szövetség (RMDSZ), with little success. Fidesz managed to split the Hungarian parties both in Ukraine and Slovakia. The same situation is developing in Voivodina. A civic movement called Magyar Mozgalom (Hungarian Movement) has been formed, which has attacked VMSZ as “being totally subordinated to the Hungarian government.”

The Voivodina Gallop

The Voivodina Gallop

This was not the first time that VMSZ received substantial amounts of money from Budapest. Back in 2013 Pásztor received 11.3 billion forints or 27.8 million euros (at the 2015 exchange rate), which “to the last penny” went to friends and family of VMSZ leaders. The list of beneficiaries was acquired by the media and published in Gépnarancs in June 2015. Three million euros went to Olivér Bunford, who owns a horse farm and runs the Vajdasági Vágta (Voivodina Gallop) and who happens to be the son of Tivadar Bunford, member of the executive board of VMSZ. The older Bunford also received 4.5 million euros. Those who didn’t like the new ways of doing business within the party and dared to say something were forced to resign, like Deputy Chairman László Varga who bitterly complained about Pásztor’s autocratic ways. Not only did Fidesz export its penchant for using public funds for private purposes but VMSZ also follows the cultural policies of Fidesz. The party leaders have attacked the program and spirit of the Hungarian theater in Subotica/Szabadka.

The Slovak situation is somewhat different. There three smaller Hungarian parties formed a new party called Magyar Koalíció Pártja (MKP) in 1998, which became the coalition partner in the Dzurinda government (1998-2006). When Pál Csáky, a friend of Viktor Orbán and a Fidesz loyalist, was chosen to be the new chairman in 2009, however, several politicians, including Béla Bugár, the former chairman, left the party and established a party named Most—Híd, meaning “bridge” in Slovak and Hungarian. As its name indicates, it is an inter-ethnic party. It seeks to represent the interests of Hungarians while working together with the majority Slovaks. To everybody’s surprise, Most—Híd won 8.12% of the votes in 2010 while the Fidesz-supported MKP didn’t reach the cut-off point of 5% of the votes. Since then MKP has dwindled and found itself without representation in 2012 as well as in 2016. Most—Híd, on the other hand, managed to win 6.89% of votes in 2012, and 6.7% in 2016. Given Fico’s poor showing, Most—Híd might have a role to play in the forthcoming coalition negotiations.

The latest chairman of MKP has resigned. Despite strong Fidesz support, or perhaps because of it, Viktor Orbán’s favorite party has bombed. Yet the Budapest government refuses to do anything with Béla Bugár’s party because it is not a “purely Hungarian” party.

I think one can safely say that the money that is being spent by the Budapest government to bolster the chosen Hungarian ethnic political parties does more harm than good. Moreover, a great deal of the assistance ends up in the pockets of Fidesz loyalists. All in all, not a wise use of the Hungarian taxpayers’ money.

March 11, 2016
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dos929
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In spite of knowing much about the dreadful deeds of the Orban regime and being disgusted by this ‘knowledge’, my stomach turns reading these facts. There are simply no words that can express to how deep the Hungarian regime sunk and in the process how they wrecked the life of the ordinary Hungarian citizens… The misery they brought upon the nation cannot be put right in decades to come even if they would fall from power for which there is little chance given their concentrated power in every aspect of life in Hungary. Shame, shame and utter disgust. And the same goes for the EU and to the EU leaders that let it happen and closed their eyes to the daily breaches of democratic standards….

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@dos929
Today 1:35 am

But it is the Hungarian electorate, particularly in the rural regions, that voted them into power and not just once, knowing full well who they were, what they stood for, what they planned to do and how they planned to govern.

This is a hole that Hungarians have dug for themselves with their own two hands, and, indeed, keep on digging every day ever deeper and deeper.

Orbán & Co. are simply a symptom that faithfully represent the mentality and ethos of the country they rule over.

The actual underlying cause of all of the sorry facts you set out in your post is the mentality and ethos of the vast majority of Hungarians, the people who either put Orbán & Co. into power, or have tacitly consented to their rule by not bothering to vote at all.

webber
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“This is a hole that Hungarians have dug for themselves with their own two hands, and, indeed, keep on digging every day ever deeper and deeper.”

The first half is fine. The second half is wrong. Since the national elections in 2014 Hungarians have, in by-elections, voted against Fidesz again and again all over the country. Because Hungarians have done that Fidesz lost its 2/3s majority, and keeps losing places.

I object to the second half not only because it is wrong, but because it is defeatist. It’s a sort of mirroring of the stupid “Orban is a winner – Hungarians love Orban” chanting you get from Fideszombies.

Time and again by-elections demonstrate the opposite. Orban is now a loser. Most Hungarians hate Orban. (ignore opinion poll data: by-elections demonstrate again and again that it is wrong, most likely because people are lying to pollsters out of fear)

Hungarians have started, fitfully, filling that hole as best they can, against great resistance from power.
Hungarians will not be able to do much more to fill it until the elections of 2018, when Fidesz will use all sorts of illegal tricks to keep in power (witness the use of gangsters to block a referendum recently).

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@webber
Today 3:11 am

Well, we shall see. I sincerely hope you are right.

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Optimism is important, as long as it is not just unwarranted wishful thinking or empty boosterism.

I might note, however, that In matters relating to Hungary and Hungarians I tend to be entirely unsurprised by anything – or its opposite.

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I see no problems at all in Hungary providing financial support and encouragement to Hungarian language cultural activities for Hungarian minorities in neighbouring countries.

I see major problems, however, with meddling in the politics of those Hungarian minorities with corrupt and corrupting moneys, in giving official Hungarian financial support and encouragement to some but not other factions among minority Hungarians, and especially in having minority Hungarians from neighbouring countries participate in the Hungarian general elections, turning on its head the precept of no taxation without representation.

Hungarian inability to digest Trianon and move on from there will undoubtedly be the undoing of Hungary again in the not too distant future sometime in the coming decades, after Hungary’s neighbours had a gutful of unwarranted Hungarian interference in their internal affairs., and decided to take very harsh action to put an end to it.

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I see no problems at all in Hungary providing some financial support and encouragement to Hungarian language cultural activities for Hungarian minorities in neighbouring countries.

I see major problems, however, with meddling in the politics of those Hungarian minorities with corrupt and corrupting moneys, in giving official Hungarian financial support and encouragement to some but not other factions among minority Hungarians, and especially in having minority Hungarians from neighbouring countries participate in the Hungarian general elections, turning on its head the precept of no taxation without representation.

Hungarian inability to digest Trianon and move on from there will undoubtedly be the undoing of Hungary again in the not too distant future sometime in the coming decades, after Hungary’s neighbours had a gutful of unwarranted Hungarian interference in their internal affairs., and decided to take very harsh action to put an end to it.

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I see no problems at all in Hungary providing some financial support and encouragement to Hungarian language cultural activities for Hungarian minorities in neighbouring countries.

I see major problems, however, with meddling in the politics of those Hungarian minorities with corrupt and corrupting moneys, in giving official Hungarian financial support and encouragement to some but not other political factions among minority Hungarians, and especially in having minority Hungarians from neighbouring countries participate in the Hungarian general elections, turning on its head the precept of no taxation without representation.

Hungarian inability to digest Trianon and move on from there will undoubtedly be the undoing of Hungary again in the not too distant future sometime in the coming decades, after Hungary’s neighbours had a gutful of unwarranted Hungarian interference in their internal affairs., and decided to take very harsh action to put an end to it.

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Sorry! WordPress has gone crazy on me. First it kept rejecting the post, than all of a sudden put through three repeats.

Apologies.

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Re: ‘Trianon’

No doubt the big itch which refuses to go away. Amazing how much time and energy is devoted to the effects of that event rather than more substantive things that are not so concerned say with bringing back some kind of romanticized past that is to somehow exist in modern Europe today. Curious if Fidesz and the ‘J’ team have plans already set up if the dream comes to fruition. Perhaps if I lived and was born and raised in Magyarorszag I would understand better.

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A bit OT:

Yesterday we walked our dog (we’re in Germany now) and met two women with another dog which played with ours …
Then I heard one of them calling the dog, something like “gyere” so I turned around and asked her “Are you Hungarian” and she said yes so a conversation started …
Turned out that she was from Serbia/Vojvodina and three years ago had left home with her husband – no real work, no chances for a good life there …

Now they’re happy here, have good jobs and don’t think about returning ever. I even believe they haven’t been on holiday there …

Our Hungarian friends from Romania will visit their home town again this summer and they just told us that other family members moved to Germany too, so they are also “lost” for their home country …

I believe this process of leaving for the rich West will just continue – doesn’t matter what O says or does!

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Re : ‘rich West’

I get a kick out of that one. I think of Einstein on that one… It ‘s all about ‘relativity’ … ;-)…

Gábor Tóka
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One, even if not the sole, purpose behind all these activities is pure vote buying. Outside of Hungary, trusted partners from VMSz and the like can organize open balloting, collect ballots from the long deceased, and deliver them en masse to Hungarian consulates. Besides, there is little risk that they would collect ballots from unreliable voters. However, truly voluntary turnout in Hungarian elections may not be easy to achieve without a bit of an incentive – not so much to the voters themselves (albeit that too may become necessary) – but to the organizers of this scheme who keep recruiting ever more new citizens as we speak and will harvest their votes.
BTW dual citizenship is, as I just heard in a conversation with undersecretary Magyar on Echo TV, a precondition for accessing these grants in Vojvodina, just to help the recruitment process.

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Dear Eva@ I think you are on the right track, but some of your remarks need explanation. 1.) VMSZ; those who left VMSZ were core people of the party. Only those old-timers without spins or entirely dependent remained (like Egeresi /nikename: rat/, or K. Dudas). The rest are new. Just look at the faces here: http://www.vmsz.org.rs/rolunk/tanacs VMSZ used to be a “big tent” /catch-all party and used to have a liberal leadership (until under late J. Kasza). However, they had people in the leadership that were funs of MSZP, Csurka, 64VM, Jobbik, you name it. Now it is not even a shadow of former itself. They lost appeal not only among minorities in Serbia, but also in AP Vojvodina. VMSZ never had a decent program for Serbia. (Example: you need the support of Croats to lead in Szabadka, because even there the Hungarians are in minority without them.) What VMSZ (or what left of it) is really doing is to giving up on the political representation in Serbia and making attitude to Budapest absolutely one-sided. 2.) Serbia politics; Disappointed in democrats the Serbian electorate has chosen to return Socialists and renamed Radicals to power for several election cycles. IMHO, not… Read more »
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Thank you Éva for this enlightening article! I did wonder about the relations between Orbán and Hungairnas across the border, and now I know.
What a sadly rotten apple we have at the core of Hungary, who looks like spreading his disease further afield.

Perhaps someone clever with numbers could calculate the scale of improvements in education and the medical professions in Hungary which could have been achieved with all the moneys Orbán has so far sent across the borders, with the only aim of buying votes.

But losers like Orbán have to buy loyalty, since they are as incapable of earning it, as they are of earning genuine respect.

Istvan
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If one goes to http://www.americanhungarianfederation.org/ right now you will find many articles on the web page of the American Hungarian Federation (AHF) relating to the issue Eva has written about today. ( Including a 2006 letter attacking Gyurcsany’s position on Hungarian minorities in Central Europe effectively equating his position to that held by the communists.) If you read these articles you can easily get the crux of the Hungarian diaspora theory as taught to us, Americans of Hungarian heritage, for many years. There is even an entire page devoted to the Treaty of Trianon. Possibly even more telling is the photo of American Hungarian Federation President Frank Koszorus, Jr., posing with the arch anti-American crook Laszlo Kover, Speaker of the National Assembly during the 5th Hungarian Diaspora Council meeting. Virtually all the attendees at this so called Council receive direct funding from Fidesz for the promotion of Hungarian culture and in turn pay homage to their master Orban. Here is another factor of importance, the immigration patterns to the USA have been heavily weighted with Hungarian speaking minorities from Romania. Hence just a few days ago, March 3rd, there was a demonstration in front of the White House with the… Read more »
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I would be as well. Perhaps it could provide a frame for my perspective here in the US which absolutely runs contrary to how I had expected the country to regenerate itself after events in the past century. I at the last was too too optimistic. I as the son of Magyar parents expected better. Much much better.

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Dear Istvan, sorry to say, you may have confused an issue or two (along with Mr. Koszorus, Jr.). Firstly, most Szeklers try to celebrate/ commemorate Freedom Day, not Independence Day (a rather new invention, btw). Of course, one can translate “szabadsag” as independence (up to someone’s taste), but “officially” they demand autonomy and minority rights, not independence. Secondly, csangos are from Romania’s Moldva region, not from Moldavia (officially Republic of Moldova, some 200 miles from where csango usually reside). Due to historical reasons they “migrated away” from the main Hungarian speaking communities of Szeklerland, hence the name csango (elcsangaltak, i.e. migrants). Some of them speak a Hungarian rural dialect (understandable for native speakers), but by now the majority abandoned the mother tongue entirely. Thirdly, when I last counted there were nine demonstrators on the picture, now its well over ten in front of the White House, with the same banner. A double-digit increase, some may say (sarcasm). Overall, I agree that the situation is complex and controversial, but I am not saying at all, that everything is fine with the Szeklers in Romania. Just the opposite. The question is how controversial is the support of a centralizing government like the… Read more »
Istvan
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As you correctly point out those calling for Szekelyland do not constitute any mass movement in America, but their role in the community here is constant and repeated at numerous cultural events. I believe the banner you noted may be stored in Chicago because it has appeared at picnics here before. The focus of the AHF on these issues as is evident from their website is enormous. My reference to casango relates to about the year 1958 and our community centered around the Hungarian Catholic parish I attended and went to Hungarian school at. My family, grandfather and great uncle, emigrated to Chicago just prior to WWI. My grandmother emigrated in 1895 and had family in the USA going back to the Civil War. How she ended up in Chicago is unknown to me. I had no idea of Hungarian dialects as a child so my reference was in fact an admission of ignorance on my part to the linguistic issue you point to. My father was American born and returned to Hungary with my grandmother during the rule of Horthy attending school in Hungary for two years while my grandmother cared for my sick great great grandmother. A cousin… Read more »
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@zoRRo_aster Today 11:41 am Seklers (Székelyek) form a substantial Hungarian language island about 200km South East of the Hungarian border, on the Western and Northern side of the Carpathians, essentially in the corner or elbow where the mountain range turns from a North-South direction to an East-West one. The Csángó minority in Moldavia used to be a tiny Hungarian language island living in a handful of small villages on the Eastern side of the Carpathians, about a hundred kilometres across the mountains from the Seklers. They moved across to Moldavia hundreds of years ago as an emigrant offshoot of the Seklers. Today barely any of them can speak Hungarian, although self-identification as Hungarians is still very much alive among them. The Seklers had a measure of formal regional autonomy under the Romanians in the early days after the communist takeover, but that was later withdrawn. Today it would seem to be quite a realistic political objective for the Seklers to aim to regain a measure of formal autonomy again, as long as they were able and willing to assure their Romanian interlocutors that self-government would not soon become a centre of irredentist agitation against Romania. However, as long as irredentist… Read more »
webber
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I’d bet that some of the 10 or so people demonstrating for autonomy for the Székely aren’t from Romania? I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them were Hungarians from Hungary. I would also not be surprised if it turned out that a few of them were not US citizens or even residents.

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Continuing [ambalint Today 2:06 pm] – insert after para 9:

There was also of course a very significant ethnic German (Szász or Saxon) presence in rural townships, especially in the more Southern areas of the Partium, as well as a significant ethnic Serbian population in the rural districts adjacent to Voivodina (Vajdaság).

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Mike@ THX for coming in. Nothing to disagree with, but I need to make an addendum. Szeklers demand autonomy in historical counties where they are still in majority today. That is the present day Hargita and Kovaszna, plus Maros megye. The latter is trickier. The Romanians are already in majority in the city of Marosvasarhely for quite sometime now. Bucharest plays nasty or neutral at best, depending who is the majority there. (They nearly abolished these regions recently. See plans for re-regionalization plans for Romania). Regarding Transylvania as a whole, besides the million plus Hungarians there are additional 6 million Romanians to be convinced of autonomy. IMHO, unless something goes truly wrong with Bucharest, that is never going to happen. Conclusively, the sad reality is that the onus of what is happening (or not happening) in the Szekler’s region is on Bucharest. In this equitation, Budapest is seen more as an impediment rather than help. PS: Romania’s biggest mistake was to sell Germans/ szasz for peanuts. See study-case Kronstadt /aka Stalin city, aka Brasov). White House demonstrations might be an inane way to lobby but the cause is correct. I think the number surpassed 10 because of AHF involvement. Since… Read more »
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Great informative discussion above regarding ‘autonomy’, ‘independence,’ minorities etc. One cannot deny the concern others of the same ethnic group will have of their kin in other areas where they are a minority.

What I believe what one gets with Magyarorszag is the fact that the country appears to ignore the wider view of essentially human rights to others who also inhabit the world. Quite a bit disjunctive position and outlook from the government. That ‘selfishness’ of the country will perhaps wipe out the word ‘vendeg’ in its working vocabulary somewhere down the line. The country’s inherent solipsism is bad for its health. Perhaps the great Magyar pronouns in no particular order… En, En,En, Nekem, Nekem, Nekem.

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Too long on known issues, but an interesting op-ed on Trianon and the rest: http://hvg.hu/velemeny/20160313_Marosan_Lazar_hegemonia_versenykepesseg_demografia_teljesitmeny

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It may sound crazy but sometimes I think we Germans had it better in a way after WW1 and especially after WW2:

Practically all Germans in the Eastern territories that were lost to Poland and Czechoslovakia and all those German speakers living in Hungary, Serbia etc had to flee or were “relocated” to “rump Germany” proper.

Especially those who were lucky enough to get to West Germany (like some of our neighbours in my home town) made it there, got good jobs, built houses, had their children attend good schools etc …
Of course all of them were industrious …
Only a few crazy ones in the older generation longed for a return and even the exile organisations now say that they don’t want their places back …

A bit OT (I think I’ve told the story before):

My father who came from Danzig (Gdansk in Polish) to marry a Schwab girl visited Eastern Germany and Danzig with my mother and the English son in law around 1980 and was so happy when he saw how beautifully the Poles had rebuilt the old town …
No one in my family would ever think of returning there!

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@wolfi7777
Today 2:22 pm

The vast majority of Germans have courageously assimilated the bitter lessons and traumas of their history in the first half of the 20th century, moved on, and ultimately snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

The vast majority of Hungarians, on the other hand, are locked in a bitter time warp, never genuinely confronted their ugly past, as the Germans have done with theirs, and were therefore never able to move on and get a life for themselves.

Gergely2
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Fidesz is marching on. Fidesz mayors don’t disappoint. Look at Mr. Tarlós. He likes to appear as an independent but when the call comes he is 100% aligned. Discipline and unity are paramount at Fidesz. This is not the leftist infighting people are so fed up with. Voters want politicians who can deliver and who don’t waste on time on philosophical issues debated to death. They want action, unity, loyalty and discipline. With Fidesz voters get these. No surprise Fidesz is so popular and is here to stay.

http://444.hu/2016/03/12/rettegnek-es-rettegtetnek-a-fideszes-polgarmesterek-a-kotelezo-kvota-ellen

webber
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Gergely – “Fidesz is so popular”
You’re a great joker. Have you looked at the poll data on numbers of people now unwilling to answer any question at all about their political preferences. Guess what that means? People are afraid. Frightened people increasingly HATE Fidesz. Just open your ears a little on the streets of Budapest.
I heard some idiot on a bus the other day saying something positive about Fidesz, and I thought the people on the bus might lynch him. The anger was enormous. I almost felt sorry for the guy.
And before you say anything at all about people in Budapest being irrelevant, remember what happened in Budapest 1956, and in 1848. Things start in the capital. We are about to celebrate one of those things, so please, drop this stupidity and listen to what Hungarians want.
Isten, áldd meg a magyart!
Vesszen Fidesz!

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Gergely2? Your post seems as though you need to reassure yourself – a way of giving you comfort abd succour for something you are worried about failing? We hope it makes you feel better? However – when the day of reckoning comes; when your heroes fall – because assuredly they will – imagine how absurd your posts will look? And how you will feel when they are used triumphantly against you – as assuredly they will be. Imagine how Horthy felt when Hitler started to lose the war and your heroes became vanquished and defeated and how bitter the losers felt after Trianon? It is an incontrovertible fact that all dictatorships fall eventually – and your posts will be laughed at by the victors – and the feeling of being vanquished and defeated and bitter will start all over again. We just have to do some searches on Eva’s blog – and it’ll be the equivalent of Mussolini being hung upside down for all to see – when a mother who lost four of her son’s just pumped four bullets into the head of the corpse – one for each son in sweet revenge. You posts – like all of… Read more »
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@Gergely2
Today 2:37 pm

With such attitudes as yours, you would have been deliriously happy to be a loyal Nazi activist in Hitler’s Germany, where discipline and unity were paramount.

I think however that I can safely presume that you would have been considerably less happy with the ultimate outcomes of all that discipline and unity, though no doubt your delirium would have continued regardless.

spectator
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Obviously you get what you deserve — shouldn’t ever have anything better!

tappanch
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Leading fidesznik L Simon exhibits the usual arrogant ignorance of the Orban “elite”:

Among others, one of his arguments is along these lines:

Homan was anti-Semitic, but so was Woodrow Wilson.[False] If [President] Wilson can have sculptures in the US, why can’t my government erect one for Homan?

Louis Magnus [of Anjou] was a great Hungarian king [between 1342 and 1382], he has a lot of sculptures, although he expelled the Jews [in 1360, then recalled them four years later].

http://24.hu/belfold/2016/03/10/l-simon-laszlo-tudom-hany-kilo-vagyok/

Dombo
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Free Palestine!

spectator
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Rather peculiar that nobody seem disturbed by the fact that Orbán not only dividing and turning agains each other the Hungarians within Hungary and the surrounding countries, but now once again separating them from each other!

After Trianon the nearest the country ever came to the former freedom of movement, the borders were mostly just for show, but thank to the shortsighted politic of a megalomaniac now we having razor wire between the mainland and the separated parts again!

By the way, is there any information why and how the Hungarians of Burgenland managed to stay outside of this charade? Or it’s only my ignorance speaking?

spectator
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Sorry about the spelling, like agains-against, etc.!

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Imho Burgenland is mainly German speaking – if there are any Hungarians, they’re absolutely quiet, probably very happy with the fact that they don’t have to live in Orbanistan.

Every time we drive between Hungary and Germany it’s almost unbelievable to see the difference between the nice houses in Burgenland and the ruins on the Hungarian side – really horrible!

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