Medián poll on Hungarian anti-Semitism

A while back Medián conducted a survey on anti-Semitism in Hungary. It just made its findings public. The document is almost forty pages long, full of tables and graphs, and defies being summarized in a few paragraphs. Here I will concentrate on a couple of areas of the study I personally found interesting and/or significant.

The research project, which is available online, was commissioned by the Tett és Védelem Alapítvány (Action and Defense Foundation), which is connected to the Egységes Magyarország Izraelita Hitközség (EMIH), itself closely linked to the Chabad-Lubavitch branch of Hasidism. The study, titled Antiszemita előítéletesség a mai magyar társadalomban (Anti-Semitic Prejudice in Present Hungarian Society), was written by Endre Hann and Dániel Róna.

What first struck me was that although 32% of the Hungarians surveyed hold strong or moderate anti-Semitic attitudes, Hungarians on the whole pay scant attention to events related to the Jewish community. Almost 70% of the people knew about the erection of the controversial monument commemorating the German occupation of Hungary in March 1944, but only 5% knew anything about the issues involved. As for the size of the Hungarian Jewry, 43% of Hungarians don’t have even a rough idea of the number of people of Jewish ancestry and only 8% got the number more or less right.

Hann and Róna distinguish between cognitive and affective anti-Semitism. In the first category we find the usual assertions leveled against Jews in general. Such as the belief that there is a secret Jewish conspiracy (31%). Of those surveyed 37% think that Jewish intellectuals have a predominant position in the media and culture in general. A rather large minority (20%) think that Hungarian Jews should emigrate or that one ought to restrict the number of Jews in certain professions. That one in five Hungarians hold such extreme views is cause for alarm about the state of Hungarian society.

March of the Living 2016

March of the Living 2016

I personally think that affective anti-Semitism is more intriguing, especially since it rose significantly between 2003 and 2014. We must keep in mind that Medián has been doing surveys on the topic for a number of years. In 2003 only 9% of the population felt antipathy toward Jews. That number didn’t change until 2010, when Medián measured an almost unbelievable 28%. Since then this aversion toward Jewish Hungarians has subsided somewhat, but today it is still 23%. So, what happened in 2010? I just heard Endre Hann today on ATV’s Start where he expressed his belief that Jobbik’s spectacular success at the 2010 election had something to do with the sudden jump. He thinks that with Jobbik’s appearance in parliament this kind of anti-Semitism gained acceptance.

Hann is most likely right, but from another chart it looks as if Hungarians just don’t like “others.” It matters not whether it was in 2006 or 2014. When asked about their attitudes toward different ethnic groups Hungarians disliked all of them to a greater or lesser degree. Of course, they hate Gypsies the most, but Arabs and the Chinese are not far behind. Here the Jews actually fared relatively well. They were tolerated just a little less than Germans who settled in Hungary at the beginning of the eighteenth century.

Even more explicit were the answers to the question “Would you agree to having [a member of a group] move next door?” The most rejected are the skinheads (76%), followed by Gypsies (73%), but gays are not far behind (61%). Arabs and the Chinese are liked even less than blacks (59%), closely followed by Romanians. In case any American thinks he would be a welcome neighbor in Hungary, he is wrong. Thirty-three percent of Hungarians wouldn’t want him anywhere close. And if you think that it is better to be a Transylvanian Hungarian in Hungary you are wrong again. Thirty-seven percent of Hungarians wouldn’t want their brethren so favored by the Orbán government as their neighbors. Given the ethnic nationalist government, this is an interesting finding. In this group Jews are somewhere in the middle of the pack, being rejected by 44% of the respondents. In 2013 that figure was 38%. So, regardless of who the “others” are, xenophobia is a powerful force in Hungary, which most likely also has an impact on the extent of anti-Semitism.

Medián tried to answer the question: “Who are the anti-Semites in Hungary?” The results are surprising. The common wisdom is that anti-Semites are numerous among poorer people whose life hasn’t worked out the way they hoped. And indeed, several international surveys attest to this belief. But this isn’t true in the Hungarian context. Medián’s surveys of the last two years show no significant correlation between anti-Semitism and educational attainment or social status. In fact, when Medián distinguished between groups according to income level, the financially best-off group had the greatest number of anti-Semites. One would also think that inhabitants of villages or small towns are more prone to hold anti-Semitic views, but Medián found that there are relatively more anti-Semites in Budapest and other larger cities.

On the other hand, there is a strong correlation between authoritarian-conservative views, nationalism, homophobia and anti-Semitism, which should surprise no one. Medián distinguishes between strong anti-Semitism, moderate anti-Semitism, and freedom from such prejudice. In the population as a whole Medián found 21% strong and 11% moderate anti-Semites. The figures for Fidesz-KDNP are just a little over this average while Jobbik’s sympathizers and voters are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic. The percentage of strong anti-Semites in Jobbik is 54%; 15% are moderately anti-Semitic. This single statistic explains why Jobbik’s political leadership has been so singularly unsuccessful at transforming the party into a middle-of-the-road conservative party. Followers of parties on the left predictably scored under the national average. Nonetheless, there are a few oddities. Among Együtt-PM supporters 23% are strong anti-Semites. Among LMP sympathizers there are no strong anti-Semites but 23% are moderately anti-Semitic. The least affected party seems to be DK, with 5% strong and 10% moderate anti-Semites.

I could cover only a fraction of the study results today, but I will find time to return to the subject sometime in the future.

April 20, 2016
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Guest

Not too much OT:

There’s only one Gypsy family house in our village (actually nobody seems to know how many people live there – probably one family in every room …) and we were just told by several very happy neighbours that the house was sold to a “real Hungarian”. The Gypsies are moving to a village further away from the Balaton where they bought a cheaper house …

So I shuddered a bit when one of the neighbours quite innocently said:
Our village is Gypsy-free again!

argonauta
Guest
It does affect real estate price locally. If you can clam credibly that there are no gipsies in town the price is higher. People register this fact in their minds just like during communism (for 45 years) people still took mental note of the state of affairs of Jani’s land plot (even though it was nationalized in 1947). This is a huge issue though. Gipsies “make” money by purchasing cheaper and cheaper real estate moving ever more into the dead villages (where one can buy real estate, house and a plot, for less than a million). The villages have no infrastructure (no education, health care and jobs) so it’s a dead end for the gipsies too. The villages become segregated even more and soon you have totally gipsy villages with no future but many idle men and women on entitlement programs. Lots of poor idle kids also mean lots of annoying crimes. Half of Borsod County is like that, but parts of Baranya and Somogy are similar. It should be prohibited for people without education or wealth to move into small villages, it’s a total dead end for the society. There is no “polgárosodás” or modernization in or by living… Read more »
Guest

Exactly!
It was really astonishing for me many years ago when I drove from the Balaton near Keszthely to the South – with every km away from “civilisation” the villages got more neglected: roads, houses, gardens, everything …
And things haven’t become much better in the last 15 years – are there no jobs for these people, no schools for their children, nothing?

PS and not too much OT:

On one of our holidays in the Southern USA, somewhere south of Atlanta on our way to Savannah we took a wrong turn and suddenly drove though a black neighbourhood that was very similar – people sitting on their porches in the morning (obviously without a job) playing with their children (instead of having them in school), the houses run down and without paint, the gardens and the driveways filled with rubbish and wrecks of cars …
Then my wife said:
This looks like a Gypsy neighbourhood in Hungary – only the cars are much bigger …

And then we made it out of the “town” and saw signs besides the road: Don’t stop do pick up hitch hikers …
And after a mile or so we saw the reason for this: A state correctional facility …

Roderick Beck
Guest

American farmers are doing well quite. But you need modern agriculture – futures contracts to hedge risk, up-to-date education on best practices, and no limitations on site. Even satellite imagery is now used to manage irrigation.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Not always the case. I own prime real estate and the building next door has Roma. Does not appear to have any impact.

Hippo Crites
Guest

Wow… are we done with Hungarians? Is it Roma-hating season now?

Guest
London Calling! “In case any American thinks he would be a welcome neighbor in Hungary, he is wrong. Thirty-three percent of Hungarians wouldn’t want him anywhere close….” Is there anyone from anywhere who is not seen as a foreigner to be hated? Presumably Europeans would have been a wholly different hate-sector if they had been included in the survey? I often wonder what Hungarians are thinking behind their eyes – as they try and fathom the Englishman in front of them to whom they are being polite and friendly. I believe this unrelenting hate of others – because that is what it is – unbridled hate – is because the leadership of the country encourages it in its society. In Hungary it is institutionalised hate. The hate propaganda against America comes from the propaganda coverage from the media led by the Government-controlled MTI news agency. Orban and Lazer. It’s a pity that Russia wasn’t included in the survey too. They’d be warmly embraced, of course. Initially I was astonished – as I’ve mentioned before – that the young couple – the woman in the relationship – in my village who was quite outspoken as to how she wanted to be… Read more »
Guest

I think with many people it’s a combination of hate and envy – and some superiority feelings.
We are different and we are the best – but nobody else acknowledges that!
And also the feeling to have been cheated by fate and history – where in reality there were just bad (or outright idiotic …) decisions by the “great” leaders like Horthy.

Hippo Crites
Guest

I think you hit the nail on the head

Guest
charliecharlieh Today 3:51 am The mantra that I keep repeating is that Orbán is just a symptom, rather than the overt or covert cause of the Hungarian disease of hatred. The disease itself is in the grey matter between the ears of prejudiced Hungarians, of whom Orbán is a faithful representative. And notwithstanding Medián’s findings, prejudiced people comprise the vast majority of the population of Hungary. The results of such opinion polls depend on the questions asked, on the segment of people prepared to respond to those questions, and the truthfulness or otherwise of their responses. Given my many years experience with Hungarians from all walks of life, I simply do not believe the Medián stats quoted in Éva’s post above. Szombat, the Hungarian Jewish weekly, provides a summary graph based on Medián’s findings of the extent of antisemitism among Hungarians from 2006 to 2015, here: http://www.szombat.org/politika/nott-az-antiszemita-eloiteletesseg-magyarorszagon. The graph claims, for instance, that 65% of Hungarians were free of antisemitic sentiments in 2015 (69% in 2014!), the unreality of which is to my mind so ludicrous as to being utterly risible. The hate of foreigners have profound historical roots in Hungary, and most certainly did not start with Orbán. The… Read more »
Observer
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@ambalint
“Thus Orbán is not causing this hate at all,” Wrong. OI usually agree with your eloquent posts, but have protest the above conclusion.
Breeding, promoting, stirring hate IS CAUSING, producing more of it. The origin and the initial level are another matter. Actually the level/quantity of hate & intolerance have increased since 2010.

Logical manifestation of these charaterstics is the Hungarians’ lack of compassion for and malice toward their own as well. It’s a pretty unpleasant and unlikable society.

Guest

@Observer
Today 10:13 am

No probs, I take your point. After all, you know better than I, who is pontificating from Melbourne in far away Australia.

Perhaps my only remaining point is that Orbán couldn’t possibly get away with his incitement to the extent that he does, unless there was fertile ground for it among the overwhelming majority of ordinary Hungarians.

I see Orban and Fidesz not as some alien plague that six years ago suddenly decended to hold captive the ‘szegény szerencsétlen’ (poor unfortunate) Hungarians, but as the purest of pure products of the minds and attitudes of ordinary Hungarians.

I do concede of course, that Orban and Fidesz do their level best to amplify whatever Hungarian rottenness they can lay their hands on, so as to manipulate it in the interest of cementing of their ongoing hold on political power.

Hippo Crites
Guest

It is interesting. You live in Melbourne. It’s beautiful fall season. You hate Hungarians – we get it. And yet your hate is so strong that – instead of enjoying Australia – you, like a moth drawn to a flame, spend hours of time on websites such as this to make sure that the next generation of Hungarians (yes, they can read English!) knows what people like you think of them and the intensity of that obsession – even if they are safely away from Hungary, reclining in Melbourne… They do have psychiatrists down under, yes?

Guest

Most contributors on here love Hungary – most contributors on here despise Orban and his corruption and the political system he represents.

Most contributors on here recognise a country – for many their Mother country – going down the pan.

They can see it as a slow-motion car crash – because they know what a true democracy is.

Hate is just one-way traffic emanating from Hungary – festering in its own exudate – making its inhabitants ill.

petofi
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@ Hippo Crites

You’re well named, sirrah.
You’re attack on ambalint is idiotic and ill-willed…rather troll-like, probably because ambalint is an effective contributor.

Now, I, for instance, live in this fucking, god-forsaken place called Budapest and by golly, this jew hates everything he’s discovered about Hungary and Hungarians in the last 7 (lean) years of living here. I could rhyme it off for the nth time but it’s all there in my previous posts.

Schmucks like you, though, certainly contribute to my antipathy…

Roderick Beck
Guest

Most contributors wish Hungary the best, but are disappointed by the backward culture combined with the phony superiority complex. And no, living in Hungary does not mean we waive our right to criticize or being disgusted.

Istvan
Guest

It’s funny Charlie to my face when last in Hungary (December 2014) my extended family who are overwhelmingly pro-Fidesz Catholics were very pleasant to me face to face. Except when liberated by palinka, then I was baited. For example like this – how do you all like being ruled over by a black man? With Obama in power the blacks must have it good now.

Generally some of the more racist members of my extended family are more interested in trying to get me to invest in business ventures in Hungary that they endlessly promote than they are in trying to confront me. My youngest daughter who is a reserve officer in the US Army and an Afghanistan war veteran got into numerous arguments during this last visit with those she called “fat Hungarian boys” in night clubs she went to. She doesn’t back off much when it comes to cheap shots at her country.

Tyrker
Guest

charliecharlieh,

It seems like the words “thirty-three percent” escaped your attention even though you quoted them. 33% is a minority.

Guest

So “only” one third of Hungarians is openly antisemitic and probably homophobe, racist and you name it too?

What a glorious country!

Tyrker
Guest

We’re talking about those who would rather not have an American (specifically) as their neighbour, wolfi. This metric has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. And, by the way, the latest figure is 27% (Ms. Balogh was looking at – and linked to – the wrong report. The latest one is available here: http://www.median.hu//kepek/upload/2016-04/antiszemitizmus_tanulm%C3%A1ny_sajtt%C3%A1j.pdf

Guest

Thanks for giving us the latest numbers – but no thanks, because these are as bad as before!

And of course Hungarians have a new target for their xenophobia and hate: The ” migrants” …
“Well done, Fidesz”
You should read this:
https://congressofbaboons.wordpress.com/
The latest entry is on O’s speech on March 15 where he said something like:
We shall not allow it to force upon us the bitter fruit of its cosmopolitan immigration policy. We shall not import to Hungary crime, terrorism, homophobia and synagogue-burning anti-Semitism. There shall be no urban districts beyond the reach of the law, there shall be no mass disorder or immigrant riots here, and there shall be no gangs hunting down our women and daughters.
Really, no need to import anti-Semitism – it flourishes already very nicely in Hungary!
And homophobia, xenophobia etc too – there is enough of it already!

Guest

This was addressed at Tyrker of course who imho has a strange way of interpreting these (and other …) facts/numbers.

Tyrker
Guest

Let’s quickly rehash how this all started. charliecharlieh said, “In case any American thinks he would be a welcome neighbor in Hungary, he is wrong. Thirty-three percent of Hungarians wouldn’t want him anywhere close… Is there anyone from anywhere who is not seen as a foreigner to be hated?” And then he went on to utter various generalised, undifferentiated statements about Hungarians in general (in the style of a true racist, may I add), as if the fact that the anti-American sentiment affected only a minority of the population had escaped his attention.

Then you chimed in with remarks about anti-Semitism and homophobia and whatnot – mostly off-topic stuff given that we were talking specifically about anti-Americanism.

In my reply to you, I pointed out that not only were anti-Americans a minority in Hungary, but that their numbers were dwindling (2013: 31%, 2014: 30%, 2015: 27%). The 4ppt reduction vs 2013 is statistically significant. After all this, you come back to me saying I have a strange way of interpreting figures? Nice.

Guest

“dwindling “???
I don’t know about the s election criteria for the sample but as a mathematician I can tell you that 31 to 27% is not really significant – the uncertainty of figures like that is high!
Especially concerning a sensitive topic like this where some people might decide not to be truthful …

And of course there is a strong connection between anti-Americanism, anti-Semitism, anti-EU etc! These figures from people who should be thankful that the Iron Curtain was taken down feel really strange to me …
Maybe Hungary really doesn’t belong to the “West” but to Putin’s Eurasian Empire?

PS:
Tyrker, you really behave like an ugly troll – trying to feed us here with half-truths etc!

Guest

What rubbish – not worth dignifying with a response.

Except to suggest thgat HS is not for you, Tryker.

Try kuruc.hu?

Guest

Thanks for the help with the maths.

33% of Hungarians – (could you confirm that’s one in three, please Tryker?) Maybe it’s acceptable to you – but that’s a significant number of people hating an even smaller number of Americans.

In England a ‘hate index’ this high would be unacceptable. Americans are in any case mainly descended from the Brits so not a good example.

Go on – go and find some stats.

And any further maths help will be much appreciated.

majka4
Guest

Totally OT:

Corina Cretu, the commissioner of EU subsidies says that she concluded a “fantastic political bargain with Janos Lazar” in a portfolio.hu interview.

Now, it just occurred to me that Cretu is almost certainly an officer of the Securitate (or whatever the name of its successor is). Anyway, it’s not surprising that Lazar can do such great deals with Romanian friends and that Lazar solves any and all problems with the EU re subsidies most of which are stolen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2382681/Colin-Powell-admits-sending-personal-emails-Romanian-diplomat-DENIES-having-affair-hacker-threatens-leak-intimate-messages.html

Guest

Eva’s promise: ”I will find time to return to the subject sometime in the future.”

Then please include a comparison with similar polls, if any, in neighbouring countries. We all know that Hungary is special, but how special is it with respect to antisemitism and xenophobia? Similarity will not be taken as excuse in this forum.

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Istvan
Guest
Re: yesterday’s teachers strike: I think at this point it is reasonably safe to say that yesterday’s PSZ teachers strike was effective and well coordinated by the union. There was clearly an attempt by Fidesz to intimidate teachers and it had limited success. An article appearing today in Népszabadság (see http://nol.hu/belfold/egy-onkormanyzat-meghajolt-a-tanarok-elott-1612131 ) gives a reasonably balanced assessment of yesterday’s strike and most importantly states that a final assessment can’t be made because “participation figures for the strike are not yet final, and will be more accurate after the payroll data is available, because strikers will not receive payment for that school day.” Nepszava today has additional data on the strike in today’s paper (http://nepszava.hu/cikk/1091892-gyengitenek-a-tanarsztrajkot—ujabb-megszoritas-johet-az-iskolakban ). According to early Klik data strikes took place at 1,185 school and involved 25,201 primary and secondary teachers on the Klik payroll. According to the Index about one in five teachers in Klik schools went on strike (see http://index.hu/belfold/2016/04/20/minden_otodik_tanar_sztrajkolt_az_orszagban/ ) Given the extremely weakened condition of trade unionism in Hungary having one fifth of teachers on strike is significant. As was evident with the Gallo interview I linked to yesterday in no way are these unions trying to take on Fidesz since the leader of… Read more »
Member

I agree with wolfi7777 “it’s a combination of hate and envy – and some superiority feelings.” I would add a large amount of oblivion to these. Many Hungarians are oblivious (and some regularly comments here) to the fact on how the leaders of Hungary mange to disinform the population. Blaming the others is a trait that goes back to hundreds of years. Blaming the kind, the Austrians, the Germans, the Jews, the neighbours, the communists, and the list goes on. Interestingly when the “threat” is gone, the same people turn back and romanticize about the good, old days/ways. Orban and his band is a simple reincarnation of everything bad that plagued Hungary and Hungarians for centuries. There is hardly any Hungarians who rise above the point of view of blaming others for all bad, but then again this goes back to that “servile attitude” discussed many times.

Guest

@Some1
Today 8:07 am

Well said.

Guest

Magyarul: panaszkultúra. Nauseating.

Having lived most of my life in Australia and some in Israel, I find the Hungarian propensity for whingeing and complaining and blaming the ‘other’ to be a completely alien trait. Here in Australia or in Israel you don’t complain even if you are on your last legs, half dead or lost the last cent to your name. You are expected to get up, dust yourself off, and then just get on with it.

The culture in both Australia and Israel mandates display of fortitude in the face of adversity and self-restraint in the expression of emotion. It is also called stiff upper lip. People don’t even try to whinge or complain or play the blame game, because these things are just not done and generally regarded as socially unacceptable impositions on others, who will treat them with the instant contempt an disdain that they deserve.

Hippo Crites
Guest

“you don’t complain even if you are on your last legs, half dead or lost the last cent to your name. You are expected to get up, dust yourself off, and then just get on with it.”

By “get on with it” do you mean “going to this blog and complaining about how Hungarians just don’t get on with it”?

Member

You seem to be hell bent on trying to twist peoples words to suit your agenda. I would like to ask you a question. If you are even a Hungarian…you seem to be defensive of any criticism of anything having to do with Hungary, but do you not realize that the reason the holocaust continually rears its head is because Hungarians and the Hungarian government insist on keeping the antisemitism alive? Can you explain why some Hungarians have such a strong desire to hate other cultures, races and people that may be different than them?

Szabó
Guest

Endre Sík of Tárki says Fidesz is a party of political geniuses and it will prevail in 2018 too.

It is the Only real party, not a simple contender but a party which can govern. The migrant theme was a masterstroke and works even when there are no migrants.

Sorry, but even Tarki says Fidesz is here to stay. There is just to credible alternative, so people will complain (love to hate Orban), will protest but will flock back to the only party that cares about Hungarians. It’s that simple.

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20160421_Ugyanugy_szavaznanak_a_magyarok_most_mint_ket_eve

Guest

yea, yea, yea…….

Szabó2
Guest
Guest

Gyula, Gyula2, Gyula3, Szabo, Szabo2……

It’s all rollocks…….

Guest

Szabo, Gyula, whatever your name is you should stop with that Fidesz propaganda and your links – many here (like me …) can’t read long Hungarian texts and the others don’t want to read it!

And now be a good boy and repeat after me one thousand times:

I will not write any more Fidesz propaganda …

Taxisgyuszi
Guest

Unfortunately, the pollster is right. This is not trolling. Face reality.

People crave leadership and they know exactly that they will never get that from MSZP (and by extension from the left-wing which needs MSZP due to the maths).

I tell you this: many left-leaning voters are so fed up and angry with the wussy and impotent MSZP (whose politicians would sell their own mother for a can of fish) that they will vote for Fidesz or Jobbik in 2018 just to teach those idiots a lesson.

People know exactly that there is no ideology at MSZP, its politicians can only receive any satisfaction from their work if they get the dough. Like letting Orban and co. off the hook for some meager cut from the big deals.

And voters will not want that to happen, voters are too envious and will not want to present that opportunity to such niemanden.

Bowen
Guest

No, no, no.

Support for ruling party Fidesz amongst all voters has dropped over the past two months by 8 percent.

Only 37% of eligible voters would actually go out and vote if a parliamentary election were held today.

All Fidesz has succeeded in doing is make people sick of politics.

http://budapestbeacon.com/public-policy/fidesz-would/33834

petofi
Guest

@ Bowen

Forget the polls–totally immaterial.

Remeber what papa Stalin said:
“It’s not who votes, it’s who counts the votes…”

Peggy
Guest

instead of blindly going with your assumptions, try to be a bit more critical and understand opinions which don’t fit your world view. Voting is not as a straightforward as you think. Fidesz may be hated now, but that doesn’t mean that people would want to vote for its opponents, especially when they do not appear to be ready to govern (with clueless lightweight figures) and in any case one doesn’t know what the left-wing politicians stand for.

Why have MSZP and the rest of the left-wing essentially stagnating for years when Jobbik grew? Why would Jobbik voters be more open and the voters of the left-wing more secretive in polls? It doesn’t make any sense. Fidesz indeed succeeded in doings Hungarian sick of politics which is actually good for Fidesz. But that doesn’t mean people will go out and vote for Tibor Szanyi or József Tobias?? C’mon, you can’t be serious. The left-wing is in a terrible shape and the corrupt compromise on the Liget/Buda Castle project is part of that.

Roderick Beck
Guest

It is called a crisis. And just the Great Recession doomed the Socialists the next economic crisis will doom Fidesz. People often vote against, not for.

petofi
Guest

Taxisgyusi..

Another troll.
Where do they all come from?

Roderick Beck
Guest

The Fidesz ideology is manipulation for self interest. And the voters will probably figure out that corruption today is far greater than in the past. After all, what government officials have gone to jail for corruption. Zero. Not exactly a deterrent.

petofi
Guest

Fidesz will stay until Pyutin leaves. They have no choice: the boss speaks.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Was Fidesz really a credible alternative in 2010 or was it simply a vote against the Socialists? I think the latter. Generally speaking autocratic, populist regimes tend to collapse due to their economic policies. Private investment as a percent of Hungarian GDP has been depressed during Orbán’s rule. That means he cannot deliver on expectations of a better future.

By the way, a party really cares about the future would tell the truth, not pander to Hungarian racism and xenophobia. Nor would engage in economic policies that discourage foreign investment.

Sanyi
Guest

Roderick Beck: Orban appeared as credible (to the average joes), he worked as he should have. Various experts, high profile people, civil organizations etc. supported him.

Nobody famous, not a celebrity, not a sportsman stands up and says that I am with the Socialists or with Együtt and would love them to govern us.

That would kill their reputation.

A famous person cannot associate with people who have a reputation of a perennial loser.

Sure the economics helped Fidesz in 2010, but he did his homework and got the endorsements. The left-wing does nothing and voters will not reward lazy people with no apparent ambitions (other than to enter into mutyi-s like the deal with Fidesz on the unpopular Liget project).

Guest

Totally forgot:

Did they also ask about Hungarians’ feelings re Piréz, that famous nonexistent people?

Seems they didn’t – what a pity!

I just had a look at the report (though of course I have problems with all those complicated sentences in Hungarian …) and found a few strange things – and I’m sure there are more!

– Antisemitism is higher among people with academic education!

– Antisemitism is higher among most parties than among people who declared no party affiliation!

That’s no good news …

Hippo Crites
Guest

There is never any good news – especially out of Europe, Asia, America and Africa – didn’t you know that? I’ve even heard there is a rise in anti-Semitism among the Piréz people (and they do not even exist! … or do they?). 🙂

Roderick Beck
Guest

The American Renaissance marches forward. Sie sind ein clown.

Taxisgyuszi
Guest

MSZP supports the Liget Project (the destruction of the park and building of unnecessary buildings so that Orban can move into the Castle-hill Palace), votes for it.

MSZP is more corrupt than Fidesz every will be.

Why?

Because MSZPniks sell out the interests of the party itself.

At Fidesz there is at least discipline once there is decision taken. There is a strategy and members must follow it. MSZP has nothing, it’s empty and voters know this, feel this.

The left-wing is totally hopeless.

MSZP is just one symptom – but it is still the most important leftist party.

Voters value strong resistance against a tyrant – instead MSZP, true to its reputation, enters into shady backroom compromises.

Pathetic.

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20160421_Megszavaztak_a_zugloi_MSZPsek_a_Liget_Projektet_Karacsony_kiakadt

Roderick Beck
Guest

Party discipline does not mean a lack of corruption nor is it relevant. Fidesz is clearly more corrupt than the Socialists because under the Socialists went to jail and no high ranking Fidesz have. It is just dumb Hungarians who stick their heads in a hole and ignore the corruption all around them.

Hippo Crites
Guest

Did they first test for anti-Hungarianism among the Chabad-Lubavitch branch of Hasidism? Or is that not something worth talking about?

Guest

Since Hungarians were the ‘vector’ that did away with 600,000 of their brethren – would it surprise you if the survivors and their relatives were ill-disposed towards Hungarians?

Topped up, of course, with the every-day anti-semitism they continue to suffer?

Guest

……. and ‘Hippo Crites’ should be ‘Norant Ig’……

Hippo Crites
Guest

Thanks for confirming that these kinds of surveys are taken by people who are “ill-disposed” towards Hungarians. Sheds some light on the surveys’
objectivity. Would you say that this entire blog is run by people who are “ill-disposed” towards Hungarians? BTW are there any Hungarians on this blog or is just a mutual adoration society of the “ill-disposed”? Do you think that posts like yours (which are read by Hungarians) will a) improve your relationship with Hungarians or b) cause slight tension in that relationship. Of course, I suspect you just do not care – the hate must be so overwhelming.

Do you think that anyone who disagrees with you must be “ignorant”? That speaks volumes regarding your self-perception (which, as it happens, goes to the root of the problem).

Why not do something useful with your life instead? Get a hobby? Pet? Enjoy the outdoors? Fixation and obsession do not lead to anything positive.

Guest

you’re confusing ‘commissioners’ with researchers…….

Roderick Beck
Guest

Tell us what we should admire. Hungary’s lack of economic progress since the Wall fell? It’s male dominated society? It lack of dynamism? Prejudice towards gays, women, Jews, and a good chunk of the rest of the world. It’s wallowing in self pity and historical myth making. The Hungarians cannot even figure out that Bartok is the great composer and not Liszt.

webber
Guest

In what way – do tell us – is it anti-Hungarian to take a poll on anti-semitism in Hungary?
Such polls are taken in most countries, and the same methodology is used to measure anti-semitism in a lot of countries.
Would anyone say the polls taken on anti-semitism in the United States anti-American? (of course not).

Would you say a poll demonstrating that more Hungarians than Americans smoke cigarettes is anti-Hungarian?
If not, why not? Smoking is a nasty, dirty, unhealthy habit, isn’t it?

spectator
Guest
@Hyppo Coming late, but nevertheless, please, consider these: All the people here, even the regulars are independent and free minded individuals with the deep concern about the Hungarian affairs, wherever we are. Many of us here have a fairly developed sense of morals. Consequently we are rather sensitive about subjects relating with moral issues. Just as myself, quite a few here just find pretentious stupidity appalling, particularly when it paired with high level of chauvinist pride. We find xenophilia and racism unacceptable in any form, regardless the reason. Speaking strictly of myself — I despise megalomaniac autocrats generally, but particularly the illiterate little tyrant of Hungary with his insatiable greed, who turned my homeland into a damn soccer-supporter nightmare, where only the “us” and “them” exist! So, based of all the above mentioned features even you should have realised by now that we don’t “hate Hungarians”, only stupid, stubbornly xenophobe and racist people with keen appeal toward servitude and dictatorship. Unfortunately, two third of Hungarians perfectly qualify — what a shame! Oh well, nothing last forever. Even the latest Hungarian wannabee dictators coming to the end, that’s for sure. Knowing some history of the region, I even dare to say… Read more »
Patriotic Hungarian
Guest

Chabads are as illiberal as Orbán. So, yes, they are as anti-Hungarian as Orbán is, who hates my Hungarian values.

Guest

I have the feeling that the trolls are getting desperate – on the one hand they always write about “the leftists” as if all opponents of Fidesz were one homogenous group and then it’s always MSZP this, MSZP that as if the other parties were non-existent.
It’s almost funny – are they afraid or what?

Guest

Real trolls believe that their prophecies have self-fulfilling power. They think that ending a sentence with ”and they know it” or ”and he knows it” proves the truth of the sentence. I don’t believe that there are any real trolls. Just impersonators.

tappanch
Guest

EuroStat press release, 76/2016, 04-21-2016:

“Eurostat is expressing a reservation on the quality of the data reported by Hungary in relation to the sector classification of Eximbank (Hungarian Export-Import Bank Plc).

Eximbank needs to be reclassified inside the general government sector which will result in an increase in government debt.”

tappanch
Guest

The web spun by the Matolcsy spider to distribute the almost-privatized almost $1 billion of public money looks like this:

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http://444.hu/2016/04/21/ezt-a-birodalmat-akarta-eldugni-elolunk-matolcsy

tappanch
Guest

Please notice that Chief Prosecutor Polt’s wife is an important element in the web with more than $200,000 salary + 3 board memberships.

Echo television’s [cannot find the right adjective, perhaps UFOist] Bogar is also part of Matolcsy’s web.

Istvan
Guest

The teaching staff of Otto Herman High School of Miskolc, put together a very thoughtful open letter yesterday about their struggle to improve education in Hungary. It can be read at http://tanitanek.com/News/Info/TemaElemek/Summary/84cc7446-8c18-43b4-b329-cdf14082fdd4

The teachers in their letter thanked their many supporters in Hungary and explain that it has only been with demonstrations of public support which were “instrumental to making the seriousness of the problems of education understandable to society and caused the government to begin to address the education problems after first mocking the demands of teachers.” They explain the difficulty of discussions within the context of the roundtable and official bodies like Nemzeti Pedagógus Kar. They note EMMI constantly argues that more money is spent on education, but “there is still no money sports equipment, teaching materials, library books, periodicals and more participation in national competitions.”

The teachers tell their supporters that the current discussions with the government are not guaranteed to solve outstanding problems and there will be the need for more demonstrations and strikes. The teachers conclude by stating “we ask all those who trust us not to give up, to keep helping us to create favorable conditions for our children together!”

Hippo Crites
Guest

There is a veneer of science here. How did the survey define
“anti-Semite”? Strong “anti-Semite”? “Weak” anti-Semite? “Free from prejudice” – how can you qualify for that kind of a stamp on the forehead? Were Hungarian Jews also asked these questions (any bias due to self-haters?)? These “anti-semites” have become the kind of bogeyman to some Jews (anti-anti-Semites?) as Jews are to anti-semites… Obsession is rarely healthy. I was actually surprised that 25% of Jobbik is free from any prejudice according to this survey. If you were just to read press–reports, you’d have to think they were all fanatical Nazis.

Observer
Guest

Lying is the fidesznik default form of life, ditto for Hippo Crites : they wave the studies re the Fidesz support and reject the studies showing the malice among Hungarians.

If anyone has doubts about the hateful and malicious nature of the Orban regime he/she has only to take a look at the writings of the Fidesz mouthpieces and of the Bayer, Bencsik & co to draw their conclusion. I haven’t yet ‘read such hate mongering, malicious, racist and vicious materials in any mainstream, let alone government media outlets in Europe.

Many foreigners now dislike Hungarians by association with the orban regime; and most of those don’t even know the shameful record of the Hungarian state and fascists during the last war.

If I didn’t live in Hungary I would have tried to forget this painful episode for health reasons.

Hippo Crites
Guest

I said zero about Orban or Fidesz – you may want to re-read (read?) my posts again. But thanks for fighting with your windmill. And the only “malice” I have consistently seen is on this blog. Hate will not set you free.

Guest

Hippo-Ig?

Your anti-semitism shines through – just from your passive ‘Hassidic’ question alone.

Hippocracy and hate will not set you free

Observer
Guest

@Hippo C.
U’re a notch above the cheap trolls, but wrong nevertheless. A bit legalistic, but by responding to ambalint 1.14 pm u did in fact comment on Orban/Fidesz. This notwithstanding, we talk politics here and your comment are seen as part hereof.
If u see malice only here then u haven’t read those I mentioned (my very generous benefit of the doubt).
Finally, wrong again, hate is a potent force, e.g. did a lot for rise of the O regime.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Well, Hungary was one of the first countries after WWII to impose university and professional quotes on the Jewish population as part of Horthy’s attempt to “De-Jew Hungary”. The quotes reduced Jewish students from 25% of the university population down to 6% and correspondingly restricted their access to the professions (most Budapest doctors were Jews before 1920). Then there is little episode where Hungary became an ally of Nazi Germany and sent an army to the Eastern Front (destroyed near Stalingrad).

Tyrker
Guest

According to Figure 5 on page 13, the percentage of “non-antisemites” is at an all-time high at 69%. This is good news!

Guest

And if you look at figure 4 on page 12 the situation appears totally different …
What are you trying to tell us?

Tyrker
Guest

Actually, Ms. Balogh has linked to the wrong report. The latest figures unfortunately show a slight drop in the proportion of non-antisemites (to 65%) and a corresponding increase in the percentage of antisemites: http://www.median.hu//kepek/upload/2016-04/antiszemitizmus_tanulm%C3%A1ny_sajtt%C3%A1j.pdf

petofi
Guest

You’re full of it.
You know damn well that Hungarians would never admit
to pollsters that they’re anti-semitic.
Actually, anti-semitism comes to a Hungarian through the mother’s milk.
Percentages? How about 90%? That would be close to the ‘truth’–a very rare item in Hungary and Hungaricoes.

Guest

@petofi
Today 5:58 pm

Too right! :-))

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