Religion is not a private matter according to the Hungarian government

A month ago Zoltán Balog, minister of human resources and an ordained Hungarian Reformed minister, ruffled the feathers of those who take the separation of church and state seriously. The occasion was a speech he delivered in Szombathely at a thanksgiving service upon the completion of a steeple for the local Hungarian Reformed church and the installation of three new bells.

Balog was present because his ministry gave a 43.3 million forint grant for the steeple and five million for the bells. When all was said and done, the 29-meter steeple cost 73 million and the price tag of the bells, which were cast in Poland, turned out to be 10 million forints. From the Népszabadság article it is not clear who paid for the cost overrun.

Balog in his speech announced that “religion is not a private matter. The confession of faith is the most personal public issue.” It is for that reason that the government considers it important to support the construction of churches. Népszabadság’s reaction to the news was “Back to the Middle Ages? According to Balog, religion is not a private matter.”

Balog’s pronouncement shouldn’t surprise anyone because the Hungarian right’s belief in a close relationship between church and state has been of long standing. The first reference I found to this “personal public” concept was Lóránt Hegedűs’s assertion in 1998 that “religion is not a private affair but the most personal public matter.” The same language Balog used. Hegedűs, the openly anti-Semitic Hungarian Reformed minister, is, after all, Balog’s colleague.

In 2006, during the heat of the election campaign, Zsolt Semjén, chairman of the Christian Democratic People’s Party (KDNP), attacked Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsány, who had announced earlier that “religion is a private matter.” Semjén at this point turned to Cardinal József Mindszenty, who in 1946 had claimed that “where religion is a private matter there is corruption, sin, and cruelty.” He added that Hitler also thought that religion is a private matter and “soon enough came the Gestapo, Auschwitz, and jail.” Because of the machinations of SZDSZ politicians, an “amok-runner” was let loose on the country, who is now destroying the heritage of St. Stephen. A huge outcry followed Semjén’s accusations.

A couple of years ago members of Catholic Radio met with church leaders. During this meeting Bishop László Rigó-Kiss, one of the most reactionary Catholic bishops, expressed the church’s demand that church news should be spread widely in the media because “religion is the most personal public matter.” The same notion was expressed by Fidesz Mayor Attila Ughy of Budapest’s District XVIII, who added that for this reason the District financially supports, to the tune of 25 million forints, both Catholic and Hungarian Reformed churches.

The debate over the private versus public nature of religion has a long history. Perhaps the best known expression of the belief that religion is a private matter comes from Thomas Jefferson, who in his letter to the Danbury Baptists wrote: “religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship.”

Jefferson

What led me to this topic today was a recent opinion piece by Gábor Czakó, a Catholic writer who established a separate association of Catholic journalists. The article appeared in Magyar Idők. We learn from Czakó that the Kádár regime “transformed religion, the greatest public matter, into a private affair.” It was “inspired by a liberal idea.” The Kádár regime was so successful at implanting this erroneous idea into the heads of people that even right-wing “thinkers” believe that “the Christian faith is a private matter while Islam is a way of life.” But this is not so as long as there is a “templum,” which is a community gathering place. Liberals and socialists, however, first harassed Christians and Christian churches and finally declared the Christian religion to be a private matter.

Here are a couple of historical examples of real religiosity that Czakó cites. “Who remembers nowadays that during the kings of the House of Árpád there were more than one hundred holy days when work was forbidden and even later people devoted a third of the year to God? It was the Freemason Joseph, the hatted one, that suppressed them.” Czakó is talking about Joseph II (1741-1790), who declined to be crowned king of Hungary because he refused to swear to Hungary’s feudal constitution. Therefore people called him “kalapos király,” the hatted king. According to Czakó, the “snake of liberalism” is seemingly on the winning side against God and man, but slowly people are returning to God and away from liberalism.

Nowadays talk about Christianity in Hungary often ends by asserting its superiority over Islam. Czakó points to Jesus’s teaching “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,” which he claims is unique among world religions. Czakó finds clear examples of such Christian charity among Hungarian kings. His first example is St. Stephen, who successfully repelled Emperor Konrad II, whose army in 1030 got as far as Győr but had to retreat. The Hungarians even occupied Vienna. So far the story is true, but I found nothing about Hungary’s saintly king feeding Konrad’s starving troops, as Czakó claims. His second example is another incursion into Hungary, this time in 1051 by the troops of Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor. In Czakó’s story András I fed the starving German soldiers. Again, I found nothing about this great act of generosity.

Hungarian churchmen and devoted members of the Catholic and Hungarian Reformed churches categorically reject the notion of religion being at heart a private matter. This goes against mainstream thinking on the subject in western thought. Today, the overwhelming majority of people consider their relationship to God or to organized religion to be private. With the rejection of liberalism, this important tenet is being attacked in Hungary, not only by the churches but also by the government.

May 22, 2016
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Wondercat
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Well below the usual standard of presentation and argument in HUNGARIAN SPECTRUM, or so this posting seems to me. The distinction between religion / belief and religion / cultural and real-property apparatus of organised bodies of believers (“the Church”; the Catholic Church, the Evangelical Church as examples) is, perhaps on purpose, drawn incompletely. The historical and contemporary context of church finance in Europe is lacking. In much of Europe “the Church” and the State are openly acknowledged partners. The House of Lords has its bench of bishops. The Code Napoléon set priests’ and bishops’ salaries, paid by the State, into a civil-servant matrix. From Iceland through Greece, in most European nations the State collects funds from its citizens to distribute to “the Church” (Kirchenbeitrag in Austria, e.g.). Questions not addressed in the post that seem to me relevant to the poster’s argument include — What were the arrangements for financing of “the Church” in Hungary before World War II? What happened to these arrangements during the fifty years after World War II? How do such arrangements differ between nations that were under Soviet control and those that were (more or less) under United States control? What are the present arrangements… Read more »
Observer
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@wondercat “Well below the usual standard of presentation and argument..”

This is not a study on the history of state and church relations in Hungary, just a blog post. If you want info on the multitude of questions you pose, please go online and search.

The separation of state and church is pretty clear cut in Western Europe, although here are some largely symbolical vestiges of old, e.g. in the UK.
Your examples re the church tax or financing are clearly techniques (Greece excepted) and no more. I wish there was church tax of the German model in Hungary and then we could see how many would put their money where teir mouth was (see the fiasco of the Debt Fighting Fund).

The point is that a Cuius regio principle has been introduced by stealth or right away in every aspect of life, in this case/post religion, e.g. on occasions catholic priests were invited to bless government projects.

“Where religion is a state matter there is corruption, darkness and cruelty.” Observer

Tyrker
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“The separation of state and church is pretty clear cut in Western Europe”

Ever heard of a country called Denmark?

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Since the Reformation the Evangelical-Lutheran Church is the State Church of Denmark. If you opt out of it – easily done, many do – you don’t pay church taxes. There is no archbishop. The bishops don’t agree about anything and they are as politically diverse as the population.

Observer
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@tyker
You think u found an exception? Wrong, not that one counts.
In Denmark nominally there are some vestiges, but the church is strictly regulated, e.g. it is obliged by law to perform mariages of same sex couples upon such request. Analyze that.

farmerpeti
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This is about power. It has nothing to do with religion or philosophy. The Fidesz government and the Catholic and Reformed Churches live in a symbiosis, they are totally co-dependent. This symbiosis is, let’s face it, another symptom of the Hungarian left-wing’ thorough political defeat. The Hungarian system of funding of traditional churches is such that these churches get almost their entire funding from the state budget and as such they are dependent on the goodwill of politicians. However, for historical reasons the churches hate the “communists” (ie, any kind of left-wing political party is just seen as a reincarnation of the godless communists who nationalized church property etc.) and so no matter how generous left-wing governments may be, the leftists will be hated. [Moreover, left-wing politics is ultimately based on Marxism and, needless to say, Marx was a Jew, just as many of the top Hungarian commies during the 20th century were. These facts did not increase the popularity of the leftist ideology among churches.) The churches have a nation-wide network (down to the most rural village) and act as an intelligence/recruitment source for Fidesz. This is a priceless advantage for Fidesz. Imagine that you are a left-wing start-up… Read more »
Observer
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@farmerpeti

“This is about power. It has nothing to do with religion or philosophy”. Absolutely, the Orban Semlyen have neither religion or moral for that matter, just mafiosi looting the public wealth while feeding the dupes with some BS, in this case religion.

You should however re-fresh you school knowledge on the “.. left-wing politics is ultimately based on Marxism..” point. I suggest you start from the Roman Tribunus plebis .
While you’re at it check out the comfortable cohabitation of the Hungarian churches with the communist regime starting from the 60s, includind their co-operation with the 3/3 Dept. of the secret police. Of course we would have known more about this, if Orban was not stalling the de-classification of the police files.

And BTW Orban is not winning, not any by elections so far.

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All that religious activity we are seeing today looks to be just another manifestation and compunction of the Magyar state in its history is simply to have order and more order so as to better keep things strongly under government and in this instance Fideszian grip. And the ‘private’ must now be made ‘public’ in order to have authority promulgate a directed and facile way to guide the pious as the seemingly magnetic religious marriage between Church and state gets even closer and closer in these days of Magyar illiberalism. From tappanch’ stats there seems to be a vestige of religious pluralism so far in Magyar society. Only time will tell how that will fare in the face of a tense future for a government which feels much ‘safer’ with God on its side and all should know and get the message that that is the ‘Christian’ God. No imitations. And that comes with a corollary that Magyar denizens should note who to always ‘vote’ for…. in more ways than one. Magyarorszag, following those ‘olden’ times, just always like to keep things how can we say it….. very ‘neat’. Solves and avoids prickly complications when it comes to so-called private… Read more »
überüber
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OT:

This is MSZP. Nothing changes, it’s the same old bunch of commies hell-bent on concluding “mutyi”s (ie. shady and corrupt sweetheart deals) with your supposed adversary.

I hope no people here seriously thinks that MSZP in any shape or form can potentially defeat Fidesz.

MSZP is a zombie party if ever there was one. It is the crowned king of mutyis.

Fidesz isn’t afraid, because it knows this MSZP inside out and knows that there isn’t anything to fear from. Like Gyula Molnár gets tough with Fidesz, Muhahahahaha.

MSZP, the New Hope, LMAO.

No, Fidesz is here top stay, fideszniks are so much smarter than those commies.

http://444.hu/2016/05/23/meg-akarta-ujitani-a-baloldalt-aztan-belefutott-a-letezo-mszp-be

Guest

Troll!
Nothing else to comment on?
Who cares about MSZP?

Tyrker
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Do we need to explain the meaning of the abbreviation ‘OT’ to you, wolfi?
For that’s what überüber opened their comment with.

Jon Van Til
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I’d appreciate knowing what “OT” signifies here (In my country, it means “overtime”.) Also, while you’re up, what’s an “LMAO”?

Guest

Jon?

O/T means ‘Off Topic’ where the poster wishes to post something unconnected with Eva’s topic.

LMAO is like ‘LOL’ (laugh out loud)

(Actually ‘Laughing my butt off ‘)

Put them in Google next time and it will enlighten you!

Guest

You’re trolling too imho …
“Überüber” is the troll which always posts the same stuff:
Fidesz is invincible, the “left” is … – as if to the left of Fidesz there only existed MSZP.

tappanch
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Matolcsy scandal on Bloomberg:

“A $1 Billion Central Bank Guide for Enriching Friends and Family”

““Even by eastern European standards, this goes beyond your usual allegation of crony capitalism.””

“The Prosecutor’s Office, which has rejected calls to probe the central bank for possible misappropriation, agreed last week to look at alleged violations of procurement rules at the foundations, though it said the investigation wouldn’t be criminal. Hungary’s top prosecutor is the husband of the central bank’s human resources chief, who is also a foundation trustee, ”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-22/a-1-billion-central-bank-guide-for-enriching-friends-and-family

Observer
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“Hungary’s top prosecutor is the husband of the central bank’s human resources chief, who is also a foundation trustee ..” and their daughter was the girlfriend of the Questor CEO’s secretary, which was supposedly supervised by the central bank, etc. etc.

The Orban mafia state par excellence. The result – another 120 plus billion Forints (USD 480 million) disappearing into some offshore accounts.

The dupes are paying.

tappanch
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Latest statistical data about religion in Hungary.

About 1/4 of the people who fill out tax returns donate 1% of their tax to one of the 31 approved [by Parliament since 2011 = by the ruling party] churches.

The distribution of these 1 093 090 people [10% of the population] (2014 tax returns, status as of 12-31-2015)

Roman Catholic: 57.33%
Calvinist: 21.09%
Lutheran: 5.66%

Krishna: 3.13%
Evangelical (“Hit”) : 3.13%
Baptist: 2.90%
Buddhist: 2.13% (4 denominations)

Jewish: 0.85% (3 denominations)
Unitarian 0.28%
Muslim: 0.10% (2 denominations)

tappanch
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Jehovah’s Witnesses 0.92%
Pentecostal 0.61%
Orthodox 0.33% (5 denominations = Russian+Serbian+Romanian+Bulgarian+Greek)

tappanch
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Protestant 35.39% (11 denominations= 7 denominations above + Nazarene+Adventist+Methodist+Salvation Army)

PALIKA
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Your article is well timed to coincide with the most recent cabaret event taking place in London in the presence of President Ader, the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster and the high command of the Hungarian Catholic clergy. They have brought to London Thomas Becket’s elbow to be paraded on a pilgrimage to Canterbury before returning it to Esztergom. Henry VIII destroyed most relics but apparently a piece of the Saint’s skull remains in the UK. What an opportunity to subject both to DNA to check out the veracity of the myth that these pieces of probably human bone actually belonged to the same person and perhaps even whether that person was the murdered Archbishop. But no such luck. It is like the owner’s reluctance to open a bottle of old vintage wine lest it turns out to be mud.

As you wrote in Hungary Christianity is a matter of the State and the body politic.

tappanch
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Travelers:

Da’esh called upon its followers to hit [civilian] targets in Europe & USA during Ramadan:
[June 7, July 6] of 2016

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-calls-for-attacks-on-west-during-ramadan_us_5741b2cae4b00e09e89f4caa

European Soccer Championship in France:
[June 10, July 9]

Will US & Kurdish forces attack Raqqa [capital of Syrian Da’esh] before the start of Ramadan?

tappanch
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Correction.

European Soccer Championship, 2016:

Group stage: [June 10, June 22]
Round of 16: [June 25, June 27]

Quarter-Finals: [June 30, July 3]: Marseille, Lille. Bordeaux, Paris
Semi-Finals: [July 6, July 7]: Marseille, Lyon

Final: July 10 in Paris

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European Soccer Championship, 2020:

Group stage & Round of 16 : 13 venues including the new Népstadion in Budapest.

Quarter-Finals: Baku (Azerbaijan), Saint Petersburg (Russia), Munich (Germany), Rome (Italy)

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tappanch
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I apologize for the empty maps – the towns did not come through

French venues:
Nice, Marseille, Toulouse
Lyon, St Etienne, Bordeaux,
Paris, St Denis
Lille, Lens

What does soccer-mania have to do with our blog?

Possible terror attack in France —> more suppression of opposition in Hungary.

Guest

Don’t see the Islamic extremist threat going away for the foreseeable future. For the Euros 4 years from now curious how the ‘defensive’ arrangements of the country will stand up to the thousands of futbol fans coming into Magyarorszag. Things must be in the ‘planning’ stage now.

Imre
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Bit OT but nevertheless important. Shall we speak of “the almost non-existent terrorist threat” instead of “terrorist threat” on this forum. An can somebody translate this into Hungarian. A few comparisons, the odds of: Drowning in a Bathtub: 1 in 685,000 Fatally Slipping during a Shower: 1 in 812,232 Being Struck by Lightning: 1 in 576,000 Being Murdered: 1 in 18,000 Dying from any kind of Injury: 1 in 1,820 Dying from intentional Self-harm: 1 in 9,380 Dying from an Assault: 1 in 16,421 Dying from a Car Accident: 1 in 18,585 Dying from any kind of Fall: 1 in 20,666 Dying from Accidental Drowning: 1 in 79,065 Dying from Exposure to Smoke, Fire, and Flames: 1 in 81,524 Dying from Forces of Nature (earthquake, heat, cold, lightning, flood): 1 in 225,107 Dying from Choking on Food: 1 in 370,035 Dying in a Fireworks Accident: 1 in 1,000,000 Dying from a Dog Bite: 1 in 700,000 Dying from Falling off a Ladder: 1 in 2,300,000 Dying form unintentional Alcohol Poisoning: 1 in 820,217 Dying from a Heart Disease: 1 in 5 Dying from a Cancer: 1 in 7 Dying from a Stroke: 1 in 23 Dying from Electrocution: 1 in… Read more »
Guest

Point made! Well done! Amusingly put.

tappanch
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The Suranyi – MNB dispute has continued, this time by an article of the MNB.

The high officials of the National Bank MNB claim that the current, reduced level of international reserves is sufficient.

They say that the reserves are in the range of [26,27] billion euros, while the SHORT-term (<= 1 year) national debt, denominated either in forint or foreign currency, but OWNED by foreigners is in the [20,21] billion range.

They supply the following chart:
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http://www.portfolio.hu/gazdasag/minimum_40_milliard_euro_sok_vagy_keves.2.232201.html

tappanch
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2016-03-31
gross debt of the central government
MNB data: 109.700 (including the nationalized retirement funds)
AKK data: 81.083 billion euros

international reserves: 26.432

Expiration of the AKK debt:

2016: 16.792
2017: 10.163

2018: 10.262
2019: 7.968
2020: 10.410

tappanch
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My conclusion as a layman.

MNB leaders were relieved by the Fitch upgrade . They hoped to replenish their depleted reserves at good rates (say at EUR/HUF < 300).

The market feels their desperation. So EUR/HUF = 317.5 at this moment.

webber
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News in Népszava this morning: Eurostat does not accept the Hungarian statistical office’s (KSH) budget statistics. Among other things, Eurostat feels (state controlled) Eximbank’s losses should be on the books. KSH’s objection to that is if Eximbank’s losses count as government expenditure, the deficit will go up by 2%!
The fact that this was KSH’s explanation suggests something is seriously wrong with Hungary’s statistical office, and with all figures.
Clearly that news hit the market yesterday or even a few days ago. I don’t have the slightest idea what will happen to the forint on any given day, but I would not be surprised by further weakening, or even a return to junk status by major ratings agencies if they discover the books have been cooked.

shady aftermath
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The looting at Eximban is reaching insane proportions.

The ironic thing is that András Puskás was “exfiltrated” to Eximbank when at District 5 (ie Rogan’s fiefdom where Puskas was deputy mayor) his position became untenable due to corruption allegations (or rather corruption facts).

Rumor has it that Puskas was caught on tape arranging the payments. Of course, nothing happened.

He soon found this position and needless to say MNB duly issued the license for Puskas to fill the deputy-CEO position so his reputation is unassailable on paper.

tappanch
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The postal, absentee ballots reversed the outcome of Austrian elections.

The winner is van der Bellen (green)

Final result :
Van der Bellen 2.254.484 50,3 %
Hofer 2.223.458 49,7 %

http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/

tappanch
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This means that the absentee ballots were cast as follows:

Van der Bellen : 460627 or 61.73%
Hofer: 285595 or 38.27%

Regular voters: 60.7%,
Absentee voters: 12.0% of the of the eligible voters

tappanch
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votes for Hofer

Tirol 50.7% —> 48.6%
Oberösterreich 50.7% —> 48.7%

Burgenland 63.0% —> 61.4%

tappanch
Guest

There are people with visceral hatred against Soros in the US too.
Here is how an anti-Soros sting operation, sponsored by an advisor to Kaczynski [not the Unabomber] flopped in the US .

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/30/james-okeefe-accidentally-stings-himself

Guest

Tappanch – I think Eva (or somebody) posted this a day or two ago – a long but interesting read! O’Keefe is as thick as hit!

Istvan
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Off topic for today but relevant to prior posts by Eva: I will admit I don’t often get upset when a non-ethnic Hungarian describes corruption in Hungary, even in a manner that basically says to me Hungarians are beyond redemption. After all if Petofi can effectively do this regularly on the blog why can’t some blue blood who belongs to the Anglican Church in North America, who lives in suburban Chicago, who had a bad tourism day in Budapest during his Viking River Cruise, say to me he thinks all Hungarians are schemers? Its fair I guess and it has actually happened to me, its the price I pay for having a Hungarian name. Yet when I read yesterday’s story in Bloomberg news about the Matolcsy scandal I felt like cringing. Here is a link to the story http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-22/a-1-billion-central-bank-guide-for-enriching-friends-and-family There is nothing at all in the article that would really be news for those of us who have been following the Matolscy saga, but when it’s all put in one article like a boxer hitting you repeatedly its overwhelming. But it’s the packaging overall that made me feel sick, for example this section: “The web of patronage they disclosed has… Read more »
webber
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István, all OK, except for three things: 1. Why should you, as an American who served his country, be ashamed of anything at all that happened in Hungary? 2. Why should any Hungarian be personally ashamed that criminals are running the country? It’s a tragedy, not something to be ashamed of. 3. These sentences: “the New York bankers must have had a good laugh about all of this. But the poor lost Hungarian people have to live this reality every day.” – “New York bankers”???? You sound like Orbán. They couldn’t care less about Hungary. They want to know where their investments will be safe and need to know this sort of thing. Don’t like it? Why? If Bloomberg wrote the same sort of thing about Belorussia, would you be equally offended? Why not? It’s a good story, is it not? Worth publishing, I’d say. Sensational! And what is this opposition between “New York bankers” (the “bad guys”) and “the poor lost Hungarian people.”??? Sorry, but WHO voted for these criminals? Yes, I agree, Hungarians’ future is being eaten up by these people who have started shifting so much of the national wealth to private accounts – so much that… Read more »
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Istvan?

I understand your crestfallen disappointment – but as you recognise it’s what most of us have become immune to on Eva’s ‘institution’.

That the Library of Congress records all this mismanagement of a country – uniquely sanctioned by the ignorance of their electorate – is a small comfort knowing it will be stored for eternity by the ‘Global’ memory ‘.

Ignored, it seems, by the EU. Sanctioned by the electorate and facilitated by war-criminal Putin.

I have often ’empathised’ as to how I would feel if my country was being ransacked by a group of thugs like Orban’s and if I ever felt I had to ‘disown’ my mother country.

Junkets to Tanzania to study “libraries and elections”!!!! You’ve got to admit, there’s an amazingly low probability that those three nouns would ever appear in the same sentence!

Yes, crestfallen with just such a frustrated feeling of helplessness.

But it is ALL of Orban’s doing. It would be natural to engage in a little cognitive dissonance reduction.

Poor poor Hungary.

Tell us about your “bad tourism day in Budapest during his Viking River Cruise”?

You might as well have a really really bad memory! If only as a catharsis.

Istvan
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Well the fool thought he and his buddy on the trip with him had hooked up with a knowledgeable Budapest cab driver who made a connection with supposedly “legitimate” prositutes while their wives were out shopping. Not only did they have a lovely afternoon but got ripped off for several thousand dollars by the associates of the supposedly legitimate prositutes. The dumb asses.

webber
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Send a rube to the big city, and look what happens. He got what he was looking for, just not in the form he expected it.

Istvan
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Webber it’s a bizarre world those of us who are of Hungarian heritiage live in here. The vast majority simply want to play down what has happened with Fidesz rule, effectively avoiding it, after all Hungary is part of the EU and NATO. Those who are more objective I think find articles like the one in Bloomberg to walk the line of voyeurism and journalism. There is an arrogance among the New York financial sector, even after our economic fiasco in 2008. The same group here that thinks post Communist Hungary is a lost cause of corruption is more than willing to finance FideszHungary if the interest rate is sufficiently high. There is a similarity here to how I see how Jean-Claude Juncker making jokes about Orban being a dictator and being the architect of laws in Luxembourg that would allow Fidesz front groups hide money. Webber those of us that come out of what can be called the military industrial complex, a term used by President Eisenhower, have an ambelivant relationship with the financial sector. On one hand we support free markets and our rights as a nation to invest on a world scale, on the other hand we… Read more »
webber
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Without the wealth provided, in part, by the financial sector, there would be no military worth talking about.

Hungary’s woes are not New York’s concern. Nor are Belorussia’s. Nor are Burundi’s. Nor are Tanzania’s.

If you were in active service, and if I were your commanding officer, I would make sure you were kept well away from anything to do with Hungary.

webber
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PS. The Bloomberg article was not written by New York financiers.
It was written by a Hungarian.

Istvan
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It was written for them Webber, that is their audience.

webber
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Now, now, that’s not QUITE how freelance articles are written (and I’ll bet the author was a freelancer).

Anyway, to me, your irritation with the author of the article, with the journal’s editor, and with New York financiers seems very misplaced.

WHY would that not be news? Why should they NOT write about it. It’s spectacular. Never heard the like before.

Again, think a little, if it were about Romania, would it bother you? No, you would surely think it was interesting news, and you would think the government of Romania was awfully corrupt.

You wouldn’t dream of being irritated with New York financiers.

The problem is neither with the article nor with the financiers.

Istvan
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What a strange post Webber, Bloomberg news is one of the premium finance related news sources in the United States. Many of its services are subscription based. Its readers are overwhelmingly involved in banking and various forms of arbitrage, its called their core audience . It has 320,000 subscribers globally for its high end services. Its not a general interest news service. In fact its more linked to the finance community than is the Wall Street Journal, which has a larger reader base.

Michael Bloomberg and Matthew Winkler in 1990 crated the service to deliver financial news reporting to Bloomberg Terminal subscribers and it has since expanded buying Business Week. Some of its articles are public access, many are not.

webber
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Anyone can read the journal, and quite a few of us do (apparently including you). I do not have a thing to do with Wall Street and never have, yet I read this and that from Bloomberg fairly regularly.
The story is spectacular. It deserves to run in ANY financial paper in the world – indeed, it should be in the financial pages of any serious daily.

spectator
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”…the government considers it important to support the construction of churches”

Just as well, the government considers it important to support the construction of stadiums too.

I honestly recommend combining the two — then may someone happens to wander around at least one of the reasons.

Just imagine: you only need to complete the Pancho Arena of Felcsút with the appropriate clocktower and some bells which could be rung for the greater glory of the “Almighty”, resides right next door, and you’re done!

Not to mention the economical advantage of such solution. I’m pretty sure that the talented “Mészáros & Mészáros” company can provide the required help for the constructions, all over the country…

Inshallah..!

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