Despite massive government propaganda, Hungarians support further European integration

It was heartwarming to read the latest Policy Solutions study, “The Hungarian Public and the European Union,” by András Bíró-Nagy, Tibor Kadlót, and Ádám Köves. The 40-page study, chock full of data, was published with financial assistance from the Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, a foundation associated with the Social Democratic Party of Germany.

Source: Policy Solutions

Source: Policy Solutions

It doesn’t matter how hard Viktor Orbán has worked to poison the hearts and minds of the Hungarian people regarding the European Union, he hasn’t succeeded. His agitation against the EU, which has been going on for the last six years, has barely made a dent in the Hungarian people’s assessment of the European Union and its institutions. “Trust in the European Union” among Hungarians is still considerably higher than the EU28 average. It is true that in 2010 it was extremely high, 55% as opposed to the EU average of 42%, but five years later the majority of Hungarians still believe in the future of the European Union, which is quite a feat after years of government propaganda.

Hungarians overwhelmingly support the EU and its institutions and most would gladly see further integration, from a common foreign policy to a common defense. Almost 50% of Hungarians would like the euro to be the common currency of all 28 countries, as opposed to the Poles (34%) and Czechs (20%). Sixty-two percent would like to see a common foreign policy. (So, Hungarians don’t want to be a bridge between the EU and Russia!) A common defense is supported by 65%. Although Hungarians are less enthusiastic about a common immigration policy than the EU average, the majority (55%) still support it. And that means that the majority of the Hungarian population want more, not less integration, while the Hungarian government is moving in exactly the opposite direction.

And that’s not all. Despite Viktor Orbán’s nationalistic propaganda, merely 33% consider themselves to be only Hungarians, while the European Union average in this category is 41%. What a pitiful result after the hundreds of speeches extolling the primacy of the nation as the solution for all Hungary’s ills.

This last data point comes from an equally important, uplifting public opinion poll published by Medián, “The opinion of Hungarians and other Europeans about the Union” (Budapest, Spring 2016). It found, most importantly, that 77% of the population support Hungary’s membership in the European Union and only 19% oppose it, and–here comes the surprise–these are better figures than Medián reported in February 2015 (75% versus 24%). After a whole year spent on the migrant crisis, which, thanks to Angela Merkel and the bureaucrats in Brussels, the Hungarian government argued, would result in the disintegration of the European Union and its Islamization, these disobedient or perhaps “deaf” Hungarians still support the European Union.

Only 29% of Hungarians see any reason to hold a referendum on EU membership, as opposed to 58% of Italians, 55% of the French, and 40% of Germans. I wonder whether this also indicates that a large majority of Hungarians might not vote in the referendum that is being held on a bogus question, the compulsory settlement of migrants. If that is the case, “the message” Hungarians are supposed to send Brussels might not be the one the government wants.

At the same time, Hungarians’ trust in their own parliament has declined considerably. It is worth taking a closer look at this phenomenon. In 2010 only 46% of Hungarians had doubts about the competence of members of parliament, as opposed to the EU27 average of 60%. I assume this optimism had something to do with the great expectations that preceded Fidesz’s enormous electoral victory that year. But look at what happened five years later: 60% of Hungarians today have no trust in the parliament. The same is true about “trust in the national government.” Between 2010 and 2015 the percentage of those who have no trust in the Orbán government has risen from 41% to 61%. These are dramatic changes, especially if we look at the EU average for those two years, where there is no appreciable difference. The percentage of dissatisfied citizens was large in 2010 and it is large now (65%). The dramatic change that occurred in Hungary speaks volumes about disapproval of the Orbán government, something that has yet to show up in the monthly opinion polls.

As for European-wide institutions, Hungarians on the whole have greater trust in them than in the Hungarian parliament and government. In fact, when it comes to the European Parliament, 43% of the people think that in the future it should play a larger political role than it does currently. Although enthusiasm for the European Parliament was much higher in 2010 (61%), Hungarians are still more positive regarding it than are the citizens of other countries in the region (Slovakia 37%, Poland 40%).

As for optimism concerning the future of Europe, again, Viktor Orbán hasn’t succeeded in changing the opinions of Hungarians. The figures between 2010 and 2015 haven’t changed at all. About 50% are optimistic and 47% pessimistic, while the rest have no opinion.

What can we learn from all this? First,  the Orbán government’s propaganda against the European Union hasn’t succeeded. Second, dissatisfaction with the current government would seem to be much greater than what we see on the surface. But dissatisfaction may not translate into change. The electoral law that Orbán’s government enacted to ensure its longevity will make that exceedingly difficult. Moreover, and even more important, as long as there is no viable alternative–just a fractured opposition–by default Hungarians will vote for the only force that, for better or worse, seems to be in a position to carry on with the affairs of state.

June 5, 2016
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Guest

London Calling!

“Only 29% of Hungarians see any reason to hold a referendum on EU membership,……..

Goodness! Looks as if the Hungarian referendum may be more newsworthy than the British one.

‘Lets give Brussels a message’ campaign with invalid leading question in the referendum could lead to massive egg-on-face for Orban.

And 60% don’t trust parliament. Goodness (2)!

Maybe the ‘stand for election but don’t take up your seat’ ploy may gather some traction.

But your caution expressed at the end is wise – we’ve had so many false dawns before.

Guest

“60% don’t trust parliament” – does that mean 40% trust FIDESZ’s voting machine??? That many?

webber
Guest

A lot of people refuse to respond.

Istvan
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Based on the opinion data Eva draws this conclusion: “So, Hungarians don’t want to be a bridge between the EU and Russia,” and apparently 65% want a common European defense, presumably NATO. But we should recall that in 1997, of those Hungarians who voted 85.3 percent supported Hungary joining NATO. Polling data of Hungarians overall in 1997 indicated about 74% support for joining NATO. According to a Median survey from January 2015, the overwhelming majority of undecided voters and voters for the democratic opposition, as well as a relative majority of Fidesz and Jobbik supporters, all favored a stronger alliance with the US over an alliance with Russia. None the less Fidesz pushes Hungary ever closer to Putin, and Hungarians still vote in significant numbers for Fidesz and Orban. It may seem to Eva that the Fidesz pro-Russian ideological offensive on the Hungarian population is having limited impact. But contextually given that Russia has recently annexed a significant part of a sovereign nation and is threatening the Baltic States with a similar treatment I would expect that Hungarians would be rallying behind NATO as a counterforce to Putin given the history of repression of the USSR against Hungary. But that… Read more »
Guest
Re: ‘I would expect that Hungarians would be rallying behind NATO as a counterforce to Putin given the history of repression of the USSR against Hungary. But that appears not to be the case, so I have to conclude the constant Fidesz media barrage against the USA and by extension US military forces in Europe is having some impact on the population’ It would look that way as it would appear dissenting Magyars to the Fideszian-Russian relationship could never live down the appellation of treason that would be heaped upon them. So they acquiesce under the circumstances in the ‘we’ against ‘them’ strategy used by The latter is a master of digging and circling the wagons in the face of alleged threats. The dreaded ‘ treasonous’ label would always seem to be the checkmate move disorienting and inhibiting electorate opposition to Fidesz’s international policies. Powerful I think in affecting action and correspondingly non-action in the population when they disagree with government policy. In Magyarorszag today there would seem to always be that ‘invisible hand’ silently working to direct behavior into specific Fideszian corridors. Until the people get that sticky hand off their back they will have to realize that action… Read more »
Member

Eva’s last paragraph is spot-on. Fidesz won the by-election in Dunaújváros yesterday. DK, PM, and MSZP ran separate candidates, but they would have beat Fidesz had they run a joint candidate (assuming that the respective supporters for each party would have voted for a joint candidate). A little over 1,000 people showed up to vote.

Member

The Communist candidate didn’t get a single vote! In Dunaújváros, of all places (the guy didn’t even vote for himself I guess).

tappanch
Guest

Hungarian mafioso suspect connected to the Fidesz agricultural minister is at large again and uses a Russian diplomatic number plate:

http://index.hu/belfold/2016/06/06/kiszabadult_es_moszkvai_voros_diplomata_rendszamaval_serthetetlen_lett_kiss_szilard/

tappanch
Guest

He had business relationship with the Quaestor boss Tarsoly and Orban’s Meszaros too.

http://index.hu/belfold/2015/03/11/kiss_szilard_keleti_nyitas_meszaros_lorinc_quaestor_moszkva_ii_resz/

Guest

The parliament might adjust to the public opinion by flying the EU flag.

tappanch
Guest

Matolcsy, the chairman of the National Bank spent millions of public money to publish a collection of his own articles in a book.

Nobody applied for an ISBN number, nobody seems to know who published the book.

http://nol.hu/belfold/matolcsyek-nem-birtak-trukkozes-nelkul-kiadni-matolcsy-konyvet-1618385

tappanch
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The third piece of our news summary of Fidesz daily corruption/nepotism :

Matolcsy “lent” public money to his cousin’s bank at a rate lower than that of government bonds. This cousin, in return, gave some of it to his own companies and friends.

http://444.hu/2016/06/06/rendre-a-rosszabb-kamatozast-valasztottak-matolcsyek

tappanch
Guest

Oops. The transfer of money (“investment decision”) is dated earlier than the permission to do so.

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tappanch
Guest

If I count the number of 0’s correctly, this was about 1.8 billion forints.

In another “investment decision”, he asked another bank to buy 60 million euros worth of German and Hungarian bonds, then paid 63.8 million for it.

webber
Guest

Thanks for all that – a couple of days ago news came out that Matolcsy was using National Bank funds to buy shares on the stock market. Can’t find that news now. Have you seen it?

wik
Guest

There was even a list with the acquired securities (including Tesla bonds or shares).

Lajos16
Guest

C’mon. Fidesz just won in Dunaújváros.

Fidesz and Jobbik have majority and the left field is divided.

And this is in Dunaújváros where it can’t get any more leftist.

There are only a few such pockets in Hungary and Fidesz has the votes from beyond the borders.

There is no way the left-wing (even if united) can win an election.

Fidesz nicely arranged the system and the left-wing is just lame and corrupt and divided. Case closed.

http://index.hu/belfold/2016/06/05/nyert_a_fidesz_dunaujvarosban_a_dk_is_lemosta_az_mszp-t_-_a_dunaujvarosi_idokozi_valasztas_eredmenye/

webber
Guest

The left certainly would have won if it had been united, and it can easily win in 2018 if it is united. That is the lesson. Look at the numbers.

bercike
Guest

No the left-wing will never win. Orban is so much smarter. :-DDDDDD

http://orulunkvincent.tumblr.com/post/145467555298/kepeslajoska-gy%C5%91zt%C3%BCnk

Guest

Troll!
Why do you have to say these idiocies a thousand times?
Orban is so much smarter…. – really???

PS:
The tumblr sites that you link to clearly show how lunatic Fidesz is …

Guest

@webber
Today 3:55 am

–“The left certainly would have won if it had been united . . ..”–

Yea, and if my grandma had wheels, I would have been born a car . . . :-)))

Istvan
Guest

Even the heavily pacifist Germans, pacifist for historically understandable reasons, are recognizing the reality of the Russian threat see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/06/world/europe/european-union-germany-army.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0 When I see something similar in relative scale in Hungary I will be much more likely to be convinced by Hungarians supporting a common European defense. By the way according to the Pew Research Center in 2015 German support for NATO was only 55%, see http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/10/nato-publics-blame-russia-for-ukrainian-crisis-but-reluctant-to-provide-military-aid/russia-ukraine-report-32/

Istvan
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Off topic but related to events in the recent past. Eva’s readers will recall during the upsurge in the primary and secondary education sector many predictions were being made that this militant movement could be the harbinger of the downfall of Orban’s rule or at least be a challenge to it. Ms Galló, president of the Teachers’ Trade Union is reported today as saying the Teachers Strike Committee was “tricked” by the government. It turns out that much of the government touted raises for teachers cited by the government as a concession to teachers was based on savings generated by there being fewer workers in the educational sector. See http://nepszava.hu/cikk/1096077-pedagogusnap—koszonet-helyett-szembekopik-a-tanarokat

Ultimately the tanitanek movement appears to have been correct about the futility of attempts by the two major teachers unions to reach an accommodation with the government. But they lacked the power to confront these unions directly and attempted to maintain solidarity between all the educational forces. Fooled yet again.

bulldog
Guest

Istvan, this was inevitable. Nobody can resist Orban.

The teachers in these movements are from either Budapest or from elite schools from county seats. Not representative.

The overwhelming majority of the teachers (the silent majority) is fine, and does not want to demonstrate. The teachers just want to work in peace. And this is what they do.

The left-wing has zero traction with teachers and the left-wing is unable to organize mass protests.

Worry not, Orban’s system is operating well and is already playing by the script written for the 2018 elections. Fidesz likes to prepare is very diligent. This is how focused it is. The Dunaújváros elections showed that Fidesz is still at the top of its game. Fidesz winning in the reddest of red towns? Yes.

On the left-wing there is literally nothing, no contenders, no unity, no vision. Sorry to break the new but Fidesz will stay in power for a decade at least, the pros know how to handle some communists/liberals.

bulldog
Guest

I love it, how pros do it. Agnes Osztojkan from LMP joined Zoltan Balog’s “human” ministry.

Now, Zoli Balog (who is a dear fellow in private) is not exactly known for roma-hugging attitudes, yet he was able to persuade Osztojkan to join.

Osztojkan now has a nice role to play and she is willing to do it. After all we all need to make our mortgage payments and the Croatian holidays. Muhahahah. Next thing we know Andras Schiffer will be an advisor to Viktor Orban. Muhahahhah.

http://444.hu/2016/06/06/miniszteriumi-tanacsado-lett-a-volt-lmp-s-kepviselo-osztolykan-agnes

tappanch
Guest

Fidesz bosses may love pork and pigs, but they hate trees and people.

Today they continued cutting trees in Ferenc Molnar’s Orczy garden

to make place for Orban’s Stormtrooper University.

http://444.hu/2016/06/06/elkezdtek-budapest-legnagyobb-fakivagasat-az-orczy-parkban

They plan further privatization of forests and, not illiberization :-), but liberalization of their extermination.

http://www.kormany.hu/download/0/2f/90000/Erdőtörvény módosítás 2016.pdf

Guest

It’s hard to tell whether we have a gang of trolls around who follow the same instruction sheet or there is only one troll who repeats the same phrases under different names. Well, it doesn’t matter. The eternally repeated postulate that Orban is smarter undoubtedly originates from one person, Orban. He who pays the music decides the tune.

It cannot be excluded that the trolling person or persons sincerely believe that Orban is smarter. They may actually be awed by Orban’s smartness. Since Orban’s progress may be ascribed to his ruthless disregard of any moral code, written obligations, legal traditions, this is what smartness means in troll language.

The word smartness always had negative connotations. Smartness was never thought of as admirable by honest people. Smartness is associated with trickery and cheating. Hungary is now governed by people who are proud of their trickery and cheating. This perverse pride radiates from all the troll comments. Hungary seems swallowed up by a moral abyss.

Orlando
Guest
I just started the book “How to make a nation: A Monocle guide”, a nice side-publication by the Monocle magazine (though the book is mostly based on articles already published in the magazine). Anyway. In it there is a small section about Hungary (one of many countries where the magazine has a correspondent) and Adam LeBor (who is also freelancing for Monocle it seems) says that what defines Hungarians is this kind of smartness (megoldjuk okosba’), the ability and willingness first always to look for the “small gate” (the famous “kiskapu”, ie. the legal loophole) to get around the rules. Fidesz is a terrible mafia, it’s like the mafia in Italy so it’s almost impossible to get rid of. It is also a symptom of deeper problems but even if we faced the problems getting rid of the Fideszniks would almost be impossible. But certainly with such impotent, amateurish, ridiculous approach the combined Hungarian Left displays it is impossible. In a political sense thus Orban (and his mafia) thus wins. There is an observation by Walter Benjamin which has been repeated ad nauseam lately “every rise of Fascism bears witness to a failed revolution”. The success of Fidesz is really… Read more »
Member

O..an..: “We”??

Yes, the Triumphal Turul Troll(s) is(are) out in full sociopathic splendor today…
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Guest
Re: ‘Orban is indeed a better warrior then this ragtag group of infighting leftists’ I’d think the assessment is arguable. He’s definitely not in the Champions League when it comes to competitors who really don’t appear to match his and his group’s mettle. He might have to up his game exponentially though if perhaps people came out and said what they believed about ‘vegetables’. Reading an essay describing a Slovakian experience recently hones in on the problem. Seems a mother and her mother were shopping in a ‘Soviet style fruit and vegetable store ‘ in Slovakia who heard an individual after receiving her order utter the statement in foyr words, ‘This onion isn’t good’. Suffice to say the opinion would carry no weight in that store. ‘It is ridiculous…There is nothing wrong with the onion’. And that according to the buyer completely ignored the fact of the rotten onion. So much for reality. And that takes us back to a Magyarorszag today where the ‘olden days’ seem to be in full bloom where fear would seem to hold back the fact of even complaining about the presence of ‘rotten onions’. The essay is aptly titled: ‘Bloc Heads’.
Member
Orbán Orra I couldn’t quite follow all of that, but I would say Orban’s “mettle” is exceedingly simple. It certainly isn’t intelligence or even diligence or resourcefulness. It’s nothing at all that he has that the democratic opposition lacks: It’s the exact opposite. It’s something that the opposition has that he lacks: scruples. It is the easiest thing in the world to keep appealing to the basest side of human nature, easy to poke in the eyes or the groin when no one’s. All you need is to be free of all scruples. The reason the democratic opposition is so unsuccessful is that they know the only way they could beat Orban would be to play according to his rules, which is to say, none. Although they are all much maligned as being ineffectual because they can’t let go of self-interest, I think by far the biggest handicap is that they can’t let go of scruples. And a good thing too, because if they did, they would just become Orbans. No, the only two hopes Hungary has to free itself from the death-grip of Orban’s metastasizing kleptocracy now are inside insurrection (not imminent, nor likely) or outside intervention (not military:… Read more »
PALIKA
Guest
The ambition to change the Orban government is admirable. However where is the guarantee of the successor being better? Horthy went Szalasi came then he went and after a few years Rakosi came only to be replaced in 1956 by Kadar. Take your pick which you prefer. In UK and the USA not one of those leaders, except OV would have been allowed to run for any elected office. Please save the ink on Trump. There is an old saying that most people marry the person they deserve or get the government. If OV is bad, the next one that comes in its place, will that one be better? Who knows? But where is the guarantee of an improvement? It is also often thought that the democratic process is good at getting rid of poor governments but it is not designed to chose good ones. I enjoy Eva’s blog. Less so the trolls of some of her rather trigger happy followers. An effective moderator would help to get rid of some of the trash. Let me please add that if you are tempted to indulge in it in response to this, resist the temptation and leave out any racist or… Read more »
petofi
Guest

@ Palika

“…where is the improvement…?”

You’re right: there is none.
But then…Hungarians don’t deserve any, either.

First, learn about the norms and values of civilized society.
Next, instill them in the young.

Third, rid the country of the totalitarian mindset of the clergy, and the mafia hordes
now infesting government and country…

Guest

London Calling!

“If the English in their ill conceived zeal to show off are able to destroy it the first casualty maybe the United Kingdom.”

“….if you are able to express your views with moderation and courtesy……..”

Hungarian hypocrite.

You are too full of yourself and too highly self-opinionated for this blog.

The contributors – those who are not trolls on here – are highly intelligent and knowledgeable about Hungary.

You need to change your bigoted supercilious bleating Hungarian attitude.

We are all equals on here.

Guest

“…………… I will not leave it at that….”

Yea? And?

webber
Guest

Charlie, Palika had a point: if the English take the UK out of the EU, the UK may indeed fall apart. You remember the Scottish referendum – one of the strong points of the campaign to stay in the union was that Scotland would have to renegotiate EU membership. All polls show the majority of Scots are for the EU. If a majority of the English take Scotland out of the EU, then the majority of Scots might become anti-UK and demand a new referendum, and they would be right to do so. The same could go for Wales. It is as simple as that. Leave the EU, and you may lose the UK.
That said, I’m sure that in the long term England would do fine whatever happens.

PALIKA
Guest

Let me have your personal details if you dare, so do not hide behind the anonymity of this blog. I will then inform the police of you racist abuse and sue you in the English Courts. You will then have your chance to explain and defenda yourself.

I now formally call on Eva to deal with your response. In the event she does not I will take the appropriate formal and legal steps to ensure she runs a properly moderated blog and not a platform for loud mouthed racist abuse.

Guest

Please go to the Hungarian police and ask them first what they are doing about kuruc.info and similar sites …
And then maybe look at breitbart.com or the “old” politics,com where there were some racist commenters …
If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

Guest

Please calm down.

webber
Guest

Palika
It wasn’t racist abuse, not even by British standards, much less Hungarian standards.
Indeed, it doesn’t even qualify as personal abuse, by British standards, since you are anonymous.
If you sued Charlie, you would lose the case in a British court and would have to pay Charlie his court fees. Even if he got cheap council, those fees would not be small, I assure you.
Charlie has no reason to reveal his identity. You can do it, if you like.

webber
Guest

P.S. Demanding that someone’s online identity be revealed is the sort of thing a Fidesznik would do.

PALIKA
Guest

Or a victim of abuse

webber
Guest

It wasn’t very personal abuse, because nobody knows who you are. You are either oversensitive, or a troll. If you are oversensitive, I suggest you start by looking at your own comments about the English, as a whole – you were derogatory about them. Then you modified that to being derogatory about those English who are for Brexit.

I don’t think you crossed a line, but what you said was every bit as “racist” as what Charlie said about you, personally – indeed, in my view it was worse.
Your comment was first about all of the English, then about some of them. Are you surprised you got a response from an Englishman? Charlie’s comment to you was personal, not about all Hungarians (read it again). He doesn’t have issues with all Hungarians. He’s in love with one, and spends a lot of time enjoying himself in Hungary.

webber
Guest

Palika – are you from Slovakia or Romania? I ask, because I’ve never heard a Hungarian from Hungary object in any way to being called a “Hungarian this-or-that”. Or rather, they object to the “this-or-that,” the Hungarian part they just ignore (as they should – it’s just a statement of fact, not an insult).

webber
Guest

“I now formally call on Eva to deal with your response. In the event she does not I will take the appropriate formal and legal steps to ensure she runs a properly moderated blog and not a platform for loud mouthed racist abuse.”
Just try it. You do know Eva and this blog are in the US, don’t you?
Apparently you don’t know about freedom of speech in the US. Racist speech is not illegal there. It is disgusting. It is condemned. But it is not illegal. What people do to a racist in the US is to call him one, and that, too, is not illegal.

Anyway, you have called Charlie a “racist” (he is not). You might have called him an English racist (half right, anyway), and left it at that. He is English. The term is not one of abuse.

webber
Guest

P.S. I really wonder if you are a Fidesznik. This is the sort of tactic one of them might try (futilely) to shut this blog down.

PALIKA
Guest

It is up to Eva to run a respectful well moderated blog. It is neither. It is neither here or there whether Charlie is English. I have asked him to disclose who he is. Does he dare?
I have asked Eva to deal with the abusive bloggers. Silence.
Clearly the blog is out of control. Eva may have a mission but she has a duty to stop abuse especially when it is racist.

webber
Guest

Most of us here will tell you it wasn’t racist and it wasn’t “out of control.”

Why should Charlie disclose who he is?

To put your words back to you –
Do you dare to disclose who you are?
You shouldn’t have to, in my view – but if you want others to do so, surely you should take the first step and reveal yourself.

PALIKA
Guest

I did not abuse or insult him. But now both Charlie and Eva have gone unusually quiet. Not very brave, are they? I am quite frankly scared of Charlie since he has shown such hostility to Hungarians that I feel the need for victim protection.
I am more interested in what the Police think is racist abuse. I warned him yesterday. He repeated his hate filled message. And Eva should have barred him.
The blog carries an anti Hungarian tone which is unacceptable to me as a Hungarian. Please own up Charlie.

webber
Guest

Eva is obviously asleep (check the time difference between C. Europe and the E. Coast of the US).
Charlie may be shopping, or playing with a dog for all anyone knows.
The blog does not carry an anti-Hungarian tone.
Some commenters might, in your view. The blog does not.

Member

Stop with your hamis crap! There was no racism, you my friend are a shit disturber, and quite frankly should be banned for wasting everyone’s time.

petofi
Guest

@Palika

Rant, abuse, threaten, distract…symptomatic of trolldom.

Get thee hence, satan.

PALIKA
Guest

Would you like being abused for being Hungarian? I do not and will not put up with it?

webber
Guest

You were not “abused” for being Hungarian. You were hit with very strong criticism for a comment Charlie, who is English, disagreed with.
You made comments about the English, as a whole, which were every bit as “abusive” as Charlie’s comment – only he spoke only to you, not to all Hungarians (he happens to be in love with a Hungarian).
Charlie has criticized me a bit strongly in the past, too. I didn’t enjoy it, but it was acceptable.

You really are acting like a Fidesz troll now, you know.

PALIKA
Guest

I have nothing to add. I just wait for Eva and Charlie to respond. “Fidesz troll” how polite!

petofi
Guest

Well then…get thee to a padded room!

Member

You are more than welcome to leave and not come back if you are so deeply offended.

PALIKA
Guest

Leave what? If this blog was a club it would keep its own rules. Many of those who contribute have little sense and no manners.

webber
Guest

Now what are you ranting about??? This blog is not a club. It is Eva’s blog. Eva keeps her own rules.

webber
Guest

Democracy gets rid of governments, and places new ones in their place. Full stop.

There are never any guarantees that the next government will be better. There is only a guarantee in a democracy that the lousy government you have will be replaced, and so will the next one, and the next one.

That is all, and it is more than enough. It is more than any other political system can give you.

Guest

“I am quite frankly scared of Charlie since he has shown such hostility to Hungarians that I feel the need for victim protection.”

Ha! Ha!.HAaaaaaaaa! HAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Oh! Sto…… HAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stop pleeeeeeeees ….HAAaaaaaaaaàa ……
Haaaaaaaa. STOPPPP!!!!!……. Haaaaaaaaaaaàaaàaaa…….

I don’t propose responding to your stupidity from now on. Stupid Hungarian.
You are ‘Persona Non Reada’

Bleat all you like . Bleating Hungarian

Completely bonkers. Bonkers Hungarian.
Just go PALINKA – have a few shots at your kotchma.

Victim Protection !!!!

Ha! Ha!.HAaaaaaaaa! HAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Oh! Sto…… HAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stop pleeeeeeeees ….HAAaaaaaaaaàa ……
Haaaaaaaa. STOPPPP!!!!!……. Haaaaaaaaaaaàaaàaaa…….

PALIKA
Guest

Not a very coherent response. I suppose you cannot do much better.

You should be barred from this blog.

Please Eva deal with this guy before he destroys the valuable blog

Rozsika
Guest

You should take some satisfaction in knowing there are people like me out there who seldom comment, but read Eva’s blog.

I don’t pay any attention to people like charlie and don’t even evaluate the merit of his comments ( if there are comments that deserve merit) because of his “Trump style” and I believe there are many other people out there who share my MO

Glad you don’t get down in the mud and even ignored his “kotchma” reference but perhaps you do deserve a shot of palinka at your favorite kocsma:)

Stupid, Bleating etc etc Hungarian? Classy remarks that only a Trump supporter could appreciate

PALIKA
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Thank you Rozsika both for the advice and for your support. A glass of fine wine would be more agreeable, from Villany, perhaps.

PALIKA
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It may just be a coincidence Eva, but the email account I have been using for some years without any trouble has been hacked for the only time in its history. Or perhaps do you should be more fastidious with the company you keep