Zsolt Bayer, the purveyor of hate, in his own words

Decent, democratic Hungarians are stunned. The hate-filled, racist, anti-Semitic journalistic hack, Zsolt Bayer, on the recommendation of Zoltán Balog, received the third highest decoration the government can bestow on people of great achievement. János Lázár presented Bayer with the “Hungarian Middle Cross.”

The independent media could scarcely find words to display its disgust with the government, but some headline writers rose to the occasion. One headline read “By mistake Zsolt Bayer received the cross of the knight [lovagkereszt] instead of the Swastika.” Swastika in Hungarian is “horogkereszt.” A blog writer at Népszabadság titled his piece “The knight of the Godfather” since Viktor Orbán and Bayer are old friends and fellow founders of Fidesz.

Instead of trying to describe Bayer’s “literary output,” I think it’s best to let Bayer speak for himself. I will be only his English voice. In the past, every time I wrote about Bayer I always said how difficult it is to translate his prose. For starters, Hungarian obscenity beats American obscenity by a mile. Moreover, I hate to repeat this smut.

The first time I discussed Bayer at some length was in January 2011 shortly after András Schiff, the world-renowned pianist, wrote a letter to the editor of The Washington Post. Bayer retorted with an article titled “The same stench.” Here are a few lines from that piece.

A stinking excrement called something like Cohen from somewhere in England writes that ‘foul stench wafts’ from Hungary. Cohen, and Cohn-Bendit, and Schiff. Népszava appears with the red figure of the man with the hammer and demands freedom of the press. Most people think that this is something new and that war like that didn’t take place before. Nonsense. There is nothing new under the sun. Unfortunately, they were not all buried up to their necks in the forest of Orgovány.

A brief explanation. Orgovány, a small village on the Great Plains, was the site of massacres committed by the leaders of the Hungarian White Terror in 1919-1920. Most of the victims were Jewish. In plain language, Bayer is expressing his sorrow that not all the Jews were killed in those days.

Zsolt Bayer, leading the Peace March in Hungarian Guard uniform

Zsolt Bayer, leading the Peace March in Hungarian Guard uniform

A year later he got angry because Ulrike Lunacek, an Austrian MP in the European Parliament, criticized Hungary. Bayer, who at the time had a program on Echo TV, had the following to say about Lunacek in the company of two other right-wingers:

Then comes a half-witted [The Germans translated it as ‘brain amputeed’] impetiginous lying idiot, Ulrike Lunacek, and I expressed myself delicately … The whole rotten filthy lie from the mouth of a rotten filth bag.” In choice Hungarian: “Csak jön egy olyan agyament ótvar hazug idióta, Ulrike Lunacek, és milyen finoman fejeztem ki magam. … Az egész egy rohadt szemét hazugság egy rohadt szemét szájából.”

In 2013 Bayer wrote another hateful piece in which, although he didn’t use the word “Jew” or “Jewish,” anyone who is familiar with Bayer’s style and way of thinking knows whom he has in mind when he talks about those who have been doing their best to ruin the white Christian race ever since the 1919 Soviet Republic, which in far-right circles is considered to be a “Jewish affair.” Those who are antagonistic toward Hungary organize themselves “in packs and attack their victims like loathsome drooling hyenas.” And he continues: “For you only death is the proper punishment. Because you believe in death, in public executions while your victims are left alone, go bankrupt, their friends deny them, they lose their jobs, and come to a sorry end. This is your goal.” Their sins are immeasurable and they will be punished. Because these mysterious people don’t realize “what monster [they] are trying to resuscitate. In fact, [they] woke him up already.” All that sounds pretty threatening, but then comes the twist:

You don’t foresee yet that it will be only we who raise our voices in your defense. We, the marked victims. We are the only ones to whom you can turn for help. It will be only we who will hide you. Because we are good to the point of ruining ourselves. And take this all very seriously. You miserable ones.

In January 2013, in Berlin, Zoltán Balog proudly outlined the accomplishments of the Orbán government as far as its Roma strategy was concerned. Bayer wrote that

a significant portion of the Gypsies are unfit for coexistence. Not fit to live among human beings. These people are animals and behave like animals. … If he finds resistance, he kills. He voids where and when it occurs to him. … He wants what he sees. If he doesn’t get it, he takes it and he kills…. From his animal skull only inarticulate sounds come out and the only thing he understands is brute force… There shouldn’t be animals. No way. This must be solved, immediately and in any way. [In Hungarian: “Ezt meg kell oldani–de azonnal és bárhogyan.”]

This particular article was deemed to be racist, and the state media authority fined Magyar Hírlap, where it appeared, 200,000 forints. Since then Magyar Hírlap had to pay another fine, this time 250,000 forints, because he called all refugee boys over the age of 14 “potential terrorists.”

When it comes to the migrants, Bayer usually dwells on horror stories, like the IKEA murder in Sweden, which then gives him an opening to blame liberalism for being the source of all the trouble. For example, he expresses his sorrow that the two suspects cooperated with the police because otherwise “the police could have shot them as one does a mad dog.” Now the Swedes have two murderers from Eritrea and two dead white Swedes. “Surely, the exchange was worth it. Long live liberalism! Long live human rights! Except when we talk about the rights of the European, white, Christian race.” Here Bayer uses the word “rassz,” which is practically never used in this sense in modern Hungarian. Bayer’s conclusion is that Europe must be defended. “It must be freed from this horror. If necessary with arms in hand. If everything remains the same, there will be bloodshed. These hordes believe that only the blood of Europeans can be shed.”

Perhaps the most often quoted Bayer lines were written in 2006 after the tragedy that occurred in Olaszliszka when a Roma girl stepped in front of a car driven by a school teacher. The child wasn’t hurt. The man stopped when a group of about twenty men and women dragged him out of the car and beat him to death in the presence of his two young daughters. Bayer wrote at the time:

Anyone in this country who runs over a Gypsy kid acts wisely if he doesn’t for a minute contemplate stopping. In the case of driving over a Gypsy kid, we should step on the gas. If in the meantime Gypsies surround the car, we should step on the gas even harder. Those we run over are unlucky. Leaving the scene at the greatest speed, we should call the ambulance from the car and we should stop at the next police station and turn ourselves in. (Unfortunately, I know that this scenario cannot take place because if someone runs over someone, especially a child, one must stop. So, we will stop. But we will have to do something. It is a good idea to get a gun before leaving. If we hit a child, let’s stop, and if the animals begin to gather we should use our weapon without hesitation.)

I don’t always have the stomach to read Bayer’s articles that appear in Magyar Hírlap and lately on his own blog as well. I’m sure that others could come up with hundreds more quotations that would further demonstrate that this man’s decoration by the Orbán government is a disgrace.

As for the charge of anti-Semitism, analysts pussyfoot around when it comes to the Orbán government’s attitude toward the country’s Jewish citizens and their role in Hungary’s history. I don’t think that, with the decision to award Bayer this high honor, there can be any question where Viktor Orbán stands on this issue. Bayer’s decoration must have been cleared with Orbán himself, and he must have known that this move will be interpreted as the government’s approval of Bayer’s racism and anti-Semitism. It seems that Orbán doesn’t care what the world thinks of him and his regime. Bayer’s decoration strikes me as a purposeful provocation not only of the Jewish community at home and abroad but of democratic communities in Europe and the Americas.

August 19, 2016
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PALIKA
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I need hardly add a word.

This is the most serious issue in the post 1989 history. A vitriolic racist and anti Semite has received a high acolade of the Hungarian state clearly with the approval of the Prime Minister. They have thrown down a challenge to the civilised world in general and to our Jewish brothers and sisters specifically.

As I wrote before this is a watershed. Please let us rise to the call.

webber
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Bayer’s “spitting in the pool” article, also, was an anti-Semitic enormity.

The award is, in my view, nothing compared with the fact that Bayer was not expelled from Fidesz after his conviction for hate speech. Far from it! He won funding to make more t.v. programs.

People I know who have met Bayer tell me that behind closed doors, when he thinks he’s got an intimate and sympathetic audience, all he does is rage against Jews.

Orban knows him intimately. They are bosom buddies.

PALIKA
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This has gone beyond the tacit acceptance of Anti Semitism as a part of Hungarian life. Antisemtic Propaganda is now part of the accepted standards of the Hungarian State. To hell with them

Reality Check
Guest

“Antisemtic Propaganda is now part of the accepted standards of the Hungarian State.”

It has been for quite some time. The historical falsification monument, the propagandist historians supported by the state who are rewriting Hungarian history, the resurrection of Horthy era anti-Semitic writers, etc.

Did it really take a medal to notice?

To hell with them years ago.

webber
Guest

Yep. Among others, Michael Shafir certainly noticed it – witness his article: http://defendinghistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MICHAEL-SHAFIR-ON-NEGATIONISM-IN-HUNGARY3.pdf

Guest
An excellent and very thorough paper. Thanks for uploading it. The honor awarded to Bayer is prima facia evidence of official antisemitism in Hungary. Not that any sane person watching Hungary from the outside these past years would have needed this evidence to come to this conclusion. With this award to Bayer, the Hungarian government did not merely undercut, but utterly vitiate all those patently dishonest and disingenuous apologies of official Hungary over the years for the knowing and deliberate criminal complicity of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Hungarians in the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Jewish Hungarians – men, women and children alike – from 1941 to 1945. This is a huge slap in the face of Hungarians of Jewish descent, who are essentially made up of two kinds of people: those who for whatever reason continue to desperately cling to and pathetically insist on being Hungarian, and those that have given up on Hungarians for good. I myself find the attitude of those people of Jewish descent in Hungary who desperately cling to a cherished Hungarian identity – one that none but themselves and their narrow circle of close friends actually recognizes – to… Read more »
Guest

Re: Holocaust and History ‘obfuscation’

Thank you for the article. It is a compelling and important piece of work particularly for Westerners who are not familiar and knowledgeable about the arcane Holocaust and history politics going on in Eastern Europe and in Magyarorszag today.

Some Magyars like Bayer and his ilk come off having ‘sewer saja’ in their elocution. And so as where so-called ‘history’ is being spoken it is there that it is being re-written.

Where all this is leading to is anyone’s guess but what cannot be denied is the country constantly and unvaryingly hears that swooshing sucking sound of something going down the drain. And the stench wafts among those re-writing their history. So I ask where is the country going where some there believe I am in a ‘mutt marriage?’ Some ideas just never seem to go out of style.

Pál Marosi
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Actually, the “spitting in the pool” article presents a real, existing phenomenon in Hungary, the hatred against Hungary and ethnic Hungarians by Jews and Gypsies. A phenomenon which culminated in the lynching of an ethnic Hungarian teacher in front of his two young daughters. The crowd was shouting “Kill the Magyar!”. Now, calling Bayer a racist for daring to write about this racist hate-crime is nonsense.

webber
Guest

So, being racist in response to racism is not racist?
Quite illogical.
Anyway, the “spitting in the pool” article was NOT about the “lynching” (FYI it wasn’t a lynching, it was beating to death – lynching means something else). That was another article.

Here’s another little quote from Bayer “Part of the Gypsy community” (actually cigányság – untranslatable) “are animals, and behave like animals.”… “They defecate where they are, whenever they feel the urge…”

The Hungarian courts found that Bayer was racsist.

webber
Guest

Here is the article about the pool (not spitting in it – blowing a nose in it).
As anyone can see, it has NOTHING to do with what happened in Olaszliszka. It is a classic case of anti-Semitism – encouraging the majority to hate Jews because, allegedly, Jews (all of them) hate the majority:
http://hirekhirek.network.hu/blog/hirek_hirek_hirek_klub_hirei/bayer_zsolt__a_medence_es_kornyeke

Rozsi
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So, if the Gypsy who killed the Hungarian teacher (unplanned, therefore manslaughter) represents all gypsies , then do the four killers who executed a Gypsy family including a 5 year old child ( convicted of planned 1st degree murder) represent Magyars ?

They sure don’t represent me and I am neither Jewish nor a Gypsy , but there is no doubt in my mind that Zs.B is a disgusting sub-human by any standard regarding of his race, religion or nationality, but don’t let that keep you from aligning yourself with him. Oh, you already have.

Member

I assume you are either Roma or Jew. I think your grandparents or parents were responsible of the deportation of gypsies and jews of Hungary under the Holocaust. Shame on your family! I am following your logic, so you are guilty. When my father (at the time 8 year old) was taken to the Budapest Tattersall, and his little bag of food was punched out of his hand, and “Die dirty Jew!” was screamed at him, were your grandparents who robbed him? What a family…..

Member

FIRST LINE: I assume you are neither Roma or Jew.

Observer
Guest

A fascist regime , where roundhead thugs and vile ZsB and co are doing the dirty work in the Orban maffia team.
The Cross says, watch this, don’t even think of touching them.

The regime just closed the investigation of the Election Office incident where the Kubatov thugs blocked socialist MP Nyako from filing a referendum question. It was found that no crime was committed.

Member
Bayer has a nickname in Hungary. “Motherfucker Zsolt”. Here is why. Here is a little sample from the “works” of this literary giant sampled by the 444.hu. Translating it is hard, but let me try to give the “gist” of it. By the way why is this turbo-hungarian uses an English word (fluffer) to offend totally beats me. Again the Hungarian parts are literal quotes from Zsolt Bayer. 1. Ehhez neked mi a kurva anyád közöd van, te geci fluffer? Why is this your business, you motherfucker piece of shit “fluffer”? 2. Akkor mi a kurva anyádat csinálnak, te geci? Then what are they doing, you motherfucker piece of shit? 3. Hm? A kurva anyádat! Hm? Fuck you! 4. Vagyis, aki azt gondolja ezek közül, hogy itt folytathatja azt, amihez otthon hozzászokott, azt ki kell baszni innen, a kurva anyjába! So if anybody wants to continue what they have got used to do at home, they should go a fuck themselves. 5. Úgyhogy az azeri meg a horvát geciláda kéz a kézben bassza meg a büdös kurva anyját! So the Azeri and Croat pieces of shit motherfuckers should go hand in hand and fuck themselves. 6. Aki nem, az takarodjon… Read more »
Sztív
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since when did geci mean shit?

Member
I very much like to thank Eva for this article. I have been very busy lately and only had time to read the blog, and no time to comment. I was so taken by this whole Bayer decoration that I just kept posting and posting, probably annoying many of the regular readers. I am glad that you so eloquently summarized what is so disturbing about this “honour”. I would only like to add one thing. The government today issued a statement explaining that the award went to Bayer on the basis of the proposal from the Community of People Who Preserve the Memory of those Who Were Destroyed in Gulags. This organization does exist. Its funder , the late Magdolna Rohr in deed was sent to the gulag, at the age 16 for 8 years! On August 23rd. there will be a remembrance walk will be taking place, in emery of those who perished in the gulags. The walk will start at the SHOES AT THE DANUBE BAND, and will finish at the House of Terror! Based on the organization request I wonder if Bayer will be invited to give a speech Shoes at the Danube Band. It is not… Read more »
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I am entirely unsurprised by this development.

The high honours given by the Hungarian government (no less!) to this foul-mouthed turbo-Hungarian of Danube Swabian extraction (sváb mélymagyar) and lunatically blood-thirsty antisemite merely confirms my long-held lowest of low opinion of the vast majority of Hungarians.

A truly pathetic, greasy, and contemptible bunch, if ever there was one. Am I glad that I can be a mere observer and occassional commenter from a great distance on their disgusting antics, rather than having to be sitting with them in that nasty and despicable little cesspool on the Balkan periphery!

charles
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ambalint, sorry to observe that you just painted yourself in the same pathetic corner that the subject of this article occupies by slotting all Hungarians in the same cesspool. Shame on you!

petofi
Guest

I know a lovely lady of 86 in the 13th district who should not be included.

But, with that exception, all others do!

Hajra Magyarok!

My favorite event in the Rio Olympics was the epee where a Hungarian was leading 14-9 in the gold medal round. He needed only one point…And he still does!

Hajra! Hajra! Magy-a-rok!!!

Guest

@charles
August 20, 2016 8:56 pm

I completely reject the vacuous point you are making.

All credit to the relatively few and far between Hungarians that are exceptions to the rule, but generalizations are perfectly valid when they apply to most members of a set. After all, the existence of exceptions is precisely what implies a general rule.

Bayer is hugely popular among Hungarians, because he openly articulates what most Hungarians think, but do not dare or care to voice openly, and he does so in exactly the style and manner in which most Hungarians privately think about those matters.

Consequently, I feel perfectly comfortable in the corner into which according to your lights I have supposedly painted myself. I also feel no shame whatsoever for slotting the general run of Hungarians into the same cesspool. In sum, I laugh out of court your ludicrous “denunciation.”

I understand however that what I put forward is very hard to confront for people with illusions and delusions about Hungarians, in fact, INTOLERABLE! – as Bayer would be wont to say.

So let’s just agree to disagree.

Jean P.
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“Bayer’s decoration strikes me as a purposeful provocation not only of the Jewish community at home and abroad but of democratic communities in Europe and the Americas.”

Include among the purposes that decorating the shitstürmer takes the limelight away from Fidesz corruption and resonates well with a major segment of Fidesz voters.

dos929
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In spite of the richness of the English language there are not enough fitting words or expressions that can describe the ‘low-life’ of the FIDESZ leaders and their supporters, and Bayer in particular… Their behaviour towards anyone who doesn’t belong to their ‘kind’ is intolerable, as yet not only that the Hungarian society tolerates them, but so does the EU. No matter how many times readers as myself are expressing our dismay how the EU not only allows this verbal and actual exploit of the regime against their own nationals (and often against non-Hungarians), but it is financing the regime’s very existence. Of course many readers point out that the hands of the EU are tied, etc… etc… But I don’t buy it. The very essence and goal of the EU is to bind the nations together in a democratic cultured society, where people of different ideas, culture and language can live together in a tolerant and human union. And back to Bayer; not long ago the Israeli Ambassador to Hungary, Ilan Mor, who is finishing his tour of duty, also received a medal from the Hungarian Government. I personally find it distasteful for anyone to accept any decoration what-so-ever… Read more »
bimbi
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It is all a question of viewpoint. Every one of the government’s “decorations” are best described as “szar”. So Mr. Bayer is simply being decorated with some of the excrement that he and Mr. Orban love so much. [I cannot imagine why people would stoop so low as to accept one of these little medals… …is it the money?]

Mr. Bayer speaks for himself and while he does so he condemns Bayer Zsolt as well as those who pull his strings.

Time for a good soapy shower Messrs Orban, Lazar, Szijjarto, Rogan et al.

Member

“Decent, democratic Hungarians are stunned.”

I guess we are way beyond the point of being stunned by any actions of mafia state.
I think they purposely do some of them just to keep provoking us.

LwiiH
Guest

“For starters, Hungarian obscenity beats American obscenity by a mile.” I disagree, this level of discourse does exist in English but I’d say it is so culturally unacceptable and the back lash for speaking/writing this way is so costly that you rarely see it. That it’s acceptable in Hungary speaks loudly.

petofi
Guest

It’s mildly amusing from a great distance that neither the commenters, nor most Hungarians, realize that Orban, pushing forward toxic figures like Bayer into the limelight, is joyously heaping ignominy on all Hungarians and Hungarian culture…(Gypsy’s Revenge!)

PALIKA
Guest

There is nothing even remotely amusing about any of this. It is a lamentable revelation of what we have suspected but did not dare believe that Orban presides over an openly racist government and country.
Horthy went to great lengths to distance himself from the open anti Semitism of his loyal followers. Orban likewise, but the experiment has failed and we now know the truth.

In my view this is the most serious betrayal of our freedoms and ideals. 60 years after 56 Hungary has steered itself back 90 years. It is a basket case of a country which nobody of any judgment can respect. Zsolt and Maria would both be in jail by now in the UK for hate promotion. Let us hope for a similar outcome for them both soon.

Observer
Guest

Palika,
Here come again my not so PC comments.
Horthy, for all his political crimes, was a gentlemen, Orban is low life with the certain minority tinge.

Bayer is foul psycho, so fu..d up that he stinks out even on the Orbán garbage heap.

PALIKA
Guest

@ Observer.
OV is no gentleman. The Admiral may have been one but so far my 60 years of living in the UK have not enabled me to unravel what that term means.
However, if Horthy had been guilty only of political crimes. He was not corrupt I am told. Yet the regime that he ruled perpetrated crimes against humanity on an industrial scale. I need not list them, but rounding up and murdering millions of Jews will do for now. The South Slav atrocities is another.

OV has not done any such thing, not yet at any rate although the Bayer/ Schmidt scandal suggests we are that much closer to that point.

Bayer is a dedicated purveyor of hate and Maria is his admirer. And OV is the puppet master.

Sztív
Guest

a gentleman is someone who holds open doors for women but just like an úriember he can also be a reactionary bigot

Observer
Guest

Palika,
Yes. No doubt about guilt of Horthy, never mind the intensive if clumsy whitewashinng.
Topic here was the primitive, thuggish style, level, form of the ever lower scum leeching on the body of the nation. This can happen because 1. Of the “tastes” of félművelt fecsuti fél…. 2. because the body of the nation is not clean.

If the award was not intended as a provocation, than it’s a huge gaffe by the advising circle, which seems to lose touch.

PALIKA
Guest

Provocation and open endorsement by the Hungarian state of the journalistic and political activities of a man who would in most counties be prosecuted for racial hate promotion.

This incident is a watershed and should not be ignored by leaders of the free World.

Observer
Guest

Hear, hear. I am doing my bit.

bimbi
Guest

As a native English speaker I was amused to see a little bit of nationalism creeping into Prof. Balogh’s blog entry today:

“I always said how difficult it is to translate his [Bayer’s Hungarian] prose. For starters, Hungarian obscenity beats American obscenity by a mile”

Without wishing to trigger a philological debate, one might think that swear words are used because people understand them and have an idea of their significance. If one then says that “our oaths are untranslatable”, surely this means that Hungarians are privy (no pun intended) to ideas to which other native language speakers have no or only partial access. Since most (all?) swear words either are sexual or religion-based, I would not be confident that US or British swearers have a more limited understanding of these topics than Hungarians… History, location, context and local usage may limit the choice of words – ‘f**k’ in English and Bayer’s ‘kurva anyád’ are obvious examples, but English has a fine pedigree stretching back before Chaucer which offers plenty of choice to the literary-inclined. I speak with some modest authority in the matter having been known in my pre-teen years in Scotland as “the laddie wi’ the wee wordies”.

Guest

Re:’ To the laddie wi’ the wee wordies’

Spot on.

In the discussion of language and words here I immediately thought of Burgess’ ‘A Clockwork Orange’ who in his novel introduced a fascinating mix of Russian-English vernacular called NADSAT that his characters spoke. I thought ZB and in particular those ‘droogs’ who have a bent for Jobbik would fit right in speaking it. It just sounds right for the ‘right’.

Could things go ‘as queer as a clockwork orange’?’ Apparently Burgess heard the Cockney slang phrase in a pub in London which referred to a ‘madness so extreme as to subvert nature’.

Sztív
Guest

I must agree with Prof Balogh on this one. Hungarian is an appreciably better language to swear in than my native English. Perhaps in Chaucer’s time we also enjoyed a wider repertoire of farmyard / brothel vernacular so enjoyed by Bayer and Hungarians generally but we seem to have lost it over the course of the last 600 years.
I think it must have something to do with the fact that very many Hungarians are only 2-3 generations from having been parasztok (not in the derogatory sense of the word peasant but actual agricultural workers).
It’s easier to use an expression like lófasz if you’ve actually got some familiarity with the organ. Similarly you can detect plenty of farmyard in “Gá Gá Gá buzi MTK” that you don’t get from “Does your rabbi now you’re here?” that might still be heard at White Hart Lane.
There simply is no comparison.

Member
Very close to this conversation. I am sure many of you are aware to the controversy that surrounds the “new” Hungarian songs that was ordered by the Hungarian government to celebrate the anniversary of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. The story behind the song is setting more bizarre by the minute. The Hungarian Government spent 50,000, 000 Forints on the song. It was Orban who ordered the song from Desmond Child at the time Orban visited the USA back in March. Child just received his Hungarian citizenship in February, based on his Hungarian heritage. His father was Hungarian. It turns out that Child in fact provided the song to Hungarian government free of charge. So what happened to the 50,000,000 Forints? Child was working on this song over a decade according to his own admission. The most interesting part of the story beside the 50,000,000 Forints are the comments on Child’s Facebook page. The commenters brought on a very clear and present Hungarian attitude that in fact Bayer perfectly represent. I hope Orban and Schmidt are very happy now as far decorating Bayer who is clearly a flagship bearer of Hungarian attitude. As I have mentioned before what makes the story… Read more »
PALIKA
Guest

The song is stomach churning drivel

Member

LOL I am not really talking about the song artistic merits. I reserve my opinion on that. I am curious where the money ended up, and if Desmond Child was made aware of how “his new friends”, as he calls them, admittedly will only tolerate him and his family. I am shocked by his Hungarian attackers, as they are mad at him. Desmond provided the song for FREE. Where is the money?

PALIKA
Guest

It has little merit but it is a good lesson not to write for OV

Guest

Re: that ‘szabadsag’ song

If I’m correct the American music producer Childs did not write the interesting lyrics to this song of ‘ hosok’. It was Orban Tamas. When it came to the line about ‘persecuted heroes’ in the context of the mantra about freedom it would appear even pop music couldn’t escape following the trend of revisionism of the past. Maria having a keen eye for publicity sure knows how to get the right ‘song’ and notes out in Magyarorszag’s topsy-turvy society. She’s a rock’n’roller too alright…. all over the past.
And the ‘sounds of silence’ fall into the wind.

‘And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening

People writing songs
That voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sounds of silence’

Simon and Garfunkel

PALIKA
Guest

Thanks for reminding us of those immortal lyrics

verda3
Guest

For those who speak Hungarian this is very funny on so many levels (see comments on the link).

A newly minted Hungarian citizen (due to his dad’s citizenship), who speaks no Hungarian by the way, Desmond Child “composed” a song for the 60th anniversary of the 1956 revolution at the request of Maria Schmidt (one of Orban’s close advisors in cultural and historical matters).

Unfortunately it turned out Child only recycled an older song of his (a kind of anthem) originally composed by him for the football team of the University of Miami.

Child reportedly got 50m forints (about USD 160k) for his contributions.

http://gorillavideos.tumblr.com/post/149213044259

Guest

Desmond Child is an important figure in Rock Music – just look here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Child

PS:

I hadn’t known about him before this discussion, but he has written/produced a lot of famous songs.

And he produced an album by Meat Loaf! 🙂

Re Bayer:

As a Schwab I feel deeply ashamed of this abominable creature/scum/whatever you call him!

Guest

Re: ‘And he produced an album by Meat Loaf!’

Bat Out of Hell 3! And looking at the title list Child put on the record perhaps there were songs looking forward to another time like:
‘The Future Ain’t What It Used to Be’ …. ‘Paradise By The Dashboard Light’ can only go on so long…….;-)…

Doy
Guest

This is a brilliant article. I am awed by it.

Doy
Guest

Eva was too lenient. Bayer was also working for liberal papers, castigating anti-Semites on the right. He is really a moral insanity.

Andy
Guest

Haven’t appeared much lately on these pages.

Suffice it to say the constellation these days aint very promising for most of the intello community.

News are seriously BAAAAD from all corners particularly as concerns ethics, long and short term survival and the “future” overall.

Kindly wave ‘Hi’ when flying through the Cosmos as we come across one-another.

Bye

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Allow me to include a little snippet that may make us understand why the Hungarian government felt that Bayer does include one of the highest Hungarian honour. IA sure Lazar, Schmidt, and Orban just love this little quotation directly from Bayer that was an answer to a person who posted a comment.

Allow me to translate this gem, as Lazar and Orban believe that this the best representation of Hungarian culture they can ever come up with. I assume this is how they were brought up. Their parents must be proud, and I can only hope they will pass on this tradition to their children too!
“You should fuck in the mouth your jism proletarian bitch mother, infront of the pub sucks dogs[‘dick] for a small spitzer.”

Truly lovely Hungarian sentence that can only come from the kind of knight, Maria Schmidt adores.

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“Bayer does include one” = Bayer deserves one
“IA” = I am

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Actually, the essence of Bayer’s journalistic oeuvre was wonderfully summarized in a lovely parody published by the satirical Hírcsárda portal in April: http://hircsarda.hu/2016/04/11/mayer-z-solt-akkor-vasaroljatok-zsidok/ . Cordially recommended for everybody who reads Hungarian: “So shop then, Jews!” is a ferocious rant against those who don’t understand why it was a good thing that the government first closed the shops on Sundays and then cancelled this decision. The parody was first published under Zsolt Bayer’s name, but after his furious protests, the editors changed the name of the author to “Z. Solt Máyer”. The illustration, the Tin Man, alludes to Bayer’s nickname and the title of his blog: “Bádog”, ’Tin’.

PALIKA
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Surely, a test of Hungarian society might be if all those who have ever been decorated by OV returned their rewards.

Dare they do it? Or are they too craven to make even such a gesture. They may not be too keen as doubtless they have spent the money.

Guest

Two remarks (just returned to Hungary):

My wife told me that yesterday (?) two scientists and a writer returned or just said they would not accept medals/something by Ader in the name of Hungary – anyone know about this?

On the road again I marvelled at those billboards:

Tudta … and then some variations about bad, bad Brussels …

Now what about erecting (virtually of course, i e on some internet page) billboards telling Hungarians:

Tudta – Brussels pays 1000 Billion HUF to Hungary every year …
or
Tudta – more than 500 000 Hungarians work as economic migrants in Western Europe

What would happen if Hungary says “No” to the EU – or the EU says:

F**k off, Hungary!

PALIKA
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Well, yes two individuals returned their gongs. Tomorrow there should be hundreds. Will there be? Wait and see.

Hungary is a basket case. They make the wrong alliances as the past shows, this time will be no different. But in the end who cares?

Bowen
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Wolfi – Index.hu have launched their own ‘placard generator’. Feel free to create your own “Tudta?” sign, and post it where you like.

http://index.hu/belfold/2016/07/21/plakatgenerator/

PALIKA
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According to Nepszabadsag this morning altogether 11 Hungarians have so far returned their gongs. Keep it up

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dvhr
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I wonder what Ms Bell is doing. Sleeping, perhaps?

webber
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Leave Ms Bell out of it.
Let’s stick with what is relevant, that is what a lot of Hungarians are doing about what is happening in their own country.

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Keno Verseck reports in the German magazine SPIEGEL on this scandal – so if you want to read Bsayer’s ugly and inhuman remarks in German translation …
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ungarn-verdienstorden-fuer-rechtsextremen-hasspublizisten-zsolt-bayer-a-1108907.html

The count of people who gave back their medal is now more than 30!

webber
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By this point, 45 people have returned their award – and more will. List here:
http://index.hu/belfold/2016/08/22/ok_adjak_vissza_a_kituntetesuket_bayer_zsolt_lovagkeresztje_miatt/

pappp
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Bayer is the perverse, secret core of Fidesz.

He really flew under the radar and was only a subject of liberal complaints. Nobody cared really and to be honest nobody read him only fanatic racists and masochistic liberal intellectuals.

But with this decoration it came to light what only a few dared to see: Bayer is the core of Fidesz’s soul.

Bayer does perfectly represent the limitlessly mean, vile, unbelievably aggressive political modus operandi of Fidesz.

It was a poignant and – in the Fidesz-universe -absolutely deserved award.

Jean P.
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Orban is just as qualified for this medal. Ader should see to it.

PALIKA
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The odd thing is how subdued the protest in the print media is in Hungary. There are 70 plusz returned gongs, which is gratifying. The Nepszabadsag is trying to play it down. I have not seen anything in the Western papers which is surprising. Has everyone sold out to this odious regime?

Jean P.
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Western papers don’t probe the inside of black holes.

dvhr
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I guess they agree with webber: not their business.

PALIKA
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Not entirely. OV is controversial in the West. Gyuri’s asanine intervention on the pigs’ head to deter Muslims entering the country got wide coverage. It almost makes one forget that he was a professor of London University before he joined Fidesz.

webber
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Schopflin joined Fidesz while he was still professor. For a couple of years he kept it secret, and never mentioned it in articles he wrote over those years that implicitly supported Fidesz.

webber
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For Palika and dvhr – The Guardian’s coverage of the award to Bayer:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/23/award-for-racist-journalist-in-hungary-sparks-protests

webber
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dvhr: Back off!
The depths of the black hole is not newsworthy.
People being killed in Aleppo hardly gets covered.
Do you think people in Amherst or Chipping Norton care one whit about the details of Orban’s perfidy?

Guest

Look at my comments above …
The SPIEGEL reported and the Guardian – and I’m sure others too.

Jean P.
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“The depths of the black hole is not newsworthy.”

The depth of the black hole is obscured by Schopflin’s pigheads, Bayer’s medal and other distracting debris that is purposefully ejected at regular intervals. In the very center is lurking a monster that sucks up everything.

Guest

And here is the article in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/23/award-for-racist-journalist-in-hungary-sparks-protests
A simple google search in the Guardian for “Hungary” gave this as first result – can’t you do that any more?

webber
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Palika – it was covered yesterday by The Guardian. I imagine a lot of other Western papers covered it too.
The Holocaust Museum has issued a statement.

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I quoted already the article in the German SPIEGEL – where you can find German translations of all those Idiotic comments Bayer made – and I also said I was sorry that this creature seems to be of Schwab origin!

Yesterday 4.05 pm …

PALIKA
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Sorry I missed the G. No one reads it. We want Mail, Express, Frankfurter, le Monde, even le Figaro etc. I am hungry to those take the regime to pieces bit by tiny bit

webber
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Not so. Since The Guardian is one of the only quality British dailies that provides free access online, a LOT of people read it – over 120 m. hits per month last year.

The Mail is not quality press, though it is very popular.

PALIKA
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Quality yes, circulation minimal, read by the converted.
The Mai is shit and read by the people we need. Sorry

webber
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Sorry, Mail readers will never give a shit about Hungary. Never.
You want readers of The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Times, The New York Times, the Washington Post.

People who read those papers care about, and some even influence intl. affairs.

People who read The Mail only want to know the name of the cheapest bar in Malaga or Budapest, and possibly how to expel Hungarians and Poles from Britain.
They don’t give a damn what is happening within Hungary, and never will.

PALIKA
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Well you are mistaken. It was inter alia the Mail that ran the pighead story yesterday on its front.
Nobody very much cares about Hungarians who read newspapers. They like good stories and news that outrage them.
Why in heaven’s name would a bank branch manager in Northampton England be very interested in far away people about they know little. How many Hungarians are interested in Bank Branch Managers from Northampton England even if they knew where it was?
Give them a good story with human victims then they might remember the place.
We want the Mail and the Express readers plus the Telegraph. The Guardian in read by nobody except Guardian readers.

webber
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120 + m. hits per month is “nobody”?
You’re nuts.