Holding the Olympic Games in Budapest: Viktor Orbán’s obsession

In the last week or so we have been learning more about the cost of Viktor Orbán’s dream project: to host the Olympic Games in 2024.

It’s hard to know exactly when he first entertained the idea. We know that by the time he became prime minister in 1998 he was already plotting to hold the 2012 Olympics in Budapest. Luckily Orbán lost the election in 2002, and the following year the Medgyessy government had the good sense to withdraw Hungary’s bid. But a lot of money had already been spent on the project, which was unrealistic from the start. What a disappointing year it had to have been for Orbán. No fancy palace for the first family in the Castle District and no chance of hosting Olympic Games in Budapest. But Orbán never gives up on his pet projects. He just may live in the Sándor Palace one day. And he is still working hard on his Olympic dream.

MTI / Photo: Tibor Illyés

MTI / Photo: Tibor Illyés

Over the course of the last two years, in great secrecy, a team prepared Hungary’s bid. Until recently no one managed to get any information out of the government concerning the amount of money that has been spent so far. A few figures have been known for some time. For example, $36 million was spent just on the bidding process, which included feasibility studies and projected estimates. The total cost of $2.8 billion that PricewaterhouseCoopers came out with is considered by Andrew Zimbalist of Smith College, who is an expert on the economics of the Olympic Games, simply “fanciful.” For recent Olympics “the cost runs from about $15 billion to $30 billion.” He carefully calculated the costs and the possible benefits of holding the Games and came to the conclusion that they were financial suicide for most cities.

Holding the games in Budapest has many opponents, mostly of course from the ranks of the opposition. They even tried to hold a referendum on the question, which was rejected by both the government and the Fidesz-majority City of Budapest. The Kúria followed suit. If the government is at all worried about the outcome of a possible referendum, it makes sure that it will never be held.

In early August Publicus Research published a poll which found that the majority of respondents didn’t want to have the Olympics held in Hungary. Seventy-five percent of them considered the cost too high and 64% thought that the country is too poor for such an extravagance. Almost 60% believed that the money spent on the Olympics would only enrich entrepreneurs close to Viktor Orbán. Two-thirds would spend the money on healthcare and education instead.

After quite a few months and a lot of effort, journalists finally got some information about the money that has been spent already, which is staggering. As 444.hu aptly declared, those figures should convince the government that “it would be time right now to abandon the whole affair.” The money flows through an office which began functioning in 2015 called Budapest 2024 Nonprofit Zrt., owned jointly by the Magyar Olimpiai Bizottság (MOB) and the City of Budapest. The office is well endowed by the government. This year alone it has a budget of close to $36 million. Next year Budapest 2024 will most likely receive the same amount. The nonprofit spends a lot of money on itself. For example, it moved into the Eiffel Palace, one of the notorious purchases of the Hungarian National Bank, which is perhaps the most expensive piece of real estate in the whole city.

The estimate of $2.8 billion, which Zimbalist considered to be “fanciful,” doesn’t include such items as new bridges across the Danube, new streetcar lines, and a new railroad bridge. These items, according to estimates, add an additional $7.2 billion. So, we have already reached the lowest possible figure of $10 billion that Zimbalist was talking about. This figure is 8% of Hungary’s current annual GDP. Moreover, if this is their own estimate, we can be sure that the final figure will be at least twice as much.

Zimbalist published an article, “An Economic Myth of Olympic Proportions,” just about the time the Olympic Games began. He described the Games as boondoggles in the majority of the cases. He called the International Olympic Committee (IOC) “an unregulated global monopoly” which conducts a biannual auction in which cities compete against one another to prove their suitability. “The outcome of this process is predictable: winning cities usually overbid.” Recent Olympic Games have cost $15-20 billion and the total revenue for the host city was about $3.5-4.5 billion, including TV contracts. Why is the figure so low? Because 75% of the revenue from the TV contracts goes to the IOC and only 25% to the host city.

People who are keen on hosting the Olympics argue that holding the games boosts tourism, but this is not always the case. In fact, tourism in London during July and August 2012 decreased by 5% because ordinary tourists don’t want to encounter huge crowds, transportation delays, inflated prices, and possible security threats. And the argument that the country as a result of a successful Olympics will be more attractive to investors is hollow. Why should it be?

Péter Zentai, a Hungarian journalist, interviewed Zimbalist at the end of August, in the course of which he elaborated on his assessment of the economic aspects of the Games. According to his estimate, the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro has lost about $10 billion. The Hungarian organizers argue that the so-called Agenda 2020 of the IOC puts a lid on the enormous expenses associated with the Games. But, according to Zimbalist, Agenda 2020 “doesn’t contain anything new.” The International Olympic Committee has always talked about “flexibility, sustainability, reuse” but at the end there was “always the same megalomania.” It’s no wonder that smaller cities like Cracow, Oslo, Stockholm, and San Moritz changed their minds. And there is talk about the possibility of Rome withdrawing its bid. The sad fact is that a mere 20% of the money spent benefits the economy and society of the city and the country.

One can only hope that Budapest will not win against Paris or Los Angeles, assuming Rome is no longer in the running. Even if the Hungarian government doesn’t have any sense and refuses to realize that the country doesn’t have the financial strength and the infrastructure in place to host the usual summer extravagance, perhaps those who decide the issue will.

September 5, 2016
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petofi
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Nothing will bankrupt the country faster, more thoroughly, and for a longer time, than having the olympics in Hungary.

For a long time now, the equation has been:
Orban wins = Hungary loses

Hajra Magyarok!

Observer
Guest

Na, na.

There is an alternative, ready plan for a deep bankruptcy – Paks 2.

If these fail to take off we’ll have to wait till the slow and painful emaciation under the Orban rule bancrupts Hungary.

In the mean time, as u pointed out, whatever Orban wins = Hungary loses

berci
Guest

There are thousands and thousands who exits undet the late minimum how can they seriouly entertain the idea of hosting the games what is a loosing business from Montreal througj Athens and Rio. They can make the country bankrupt for 100 years. This is madness of megalomaniac.

Observer
Guest

On a more serious note, I am trying to find a reliable figure of the costs overrun in the swimming world championship 2017 project. It is rumoured that the overrun is already well above 200%, but a tenfold end result was mentioned too.

The 25 – 100 billion Forint ($ 80-300 million) eventually spent on this event will not bankrupt Hungary, but these figures are a stern warning that the olimpic games hosting definitely will.

The good news is that the only way Hungary can be awarded the gamed is by default, bjust like in the case of the swimming championship.

webber
Guest

If Budapest gets it, watch for revelations about bribes paid to IOC people, and a shake-up of the sort we’ve seen with FIFA.

Paris should get it. The last time they had the Olympic Games there was 1924, so 2024 will be 100 years.

petofi
Guest

@webber

What shakeup at FIFA?
The young guy chosen to replace the chief thief lives in a town 20 km
away from Blatter’s! What a surprise…

dos929
Guest
The IOC, just like the FIFA, without doubt is a corrupt organisation. And it can be safely assumed that many, if not all, of the officials that have anything to do with the Olympics in various countries around the world are equally corrupt. From the once noble amateur goals of the Olympics it has degraded into a drugs infected mafia-like organisation that is driven by money alone… And Hungary would be in the forefront of this disease. As to the Orban-regime’s dream of having the Olympics in Hungary, I am afraid it won’t remain a dream if they remain in power in the foreseeable future. Whatever idea, as sick as it may be, gets into Orban’s equally sick mind, he will carry it out no matter to the cost of the country. The ‘easy money’ stemming from the so-called sports activities in Hungary just fuelling the even greater will of the government circles and their servants to push for more and more money into sport related projects, even if they have nothing to do with reality and the final results (e.g. empty stadiums…). The only outcome of this trend is the further degradation of the country’s infrastructure, more and more… Read more »
PALIKA
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I hope Budapest gets the right to hold the games. It is such obvious commercial nonsense that it is bound to result in economic disaster as well as the usual Orbanist boost in corruption. It may help to speed him and his mates on their way out.

Bowen
Guest

You hope Budapest gets the games? Well, the decision will be made in September 2017. It would provide an enormous boost for Fidesz in terms of the 2018 general elections. In the complete absence of any other policies (apart from generating xenophobia), it would be great for Orban.

PALIKA
Guest

And if not, he will claim he is a victim of Soros. Another boost.

Guest

Come on, do you really want Hungarians in poverty and debt?

Anyway I don’t think Budapest has any chance against Paris and LA, luckily!

But of course just the preparation, all those plans etc will cost a lot of money which flows directly into the pockets of the usual suspects …

Observer
Guest

7 billion Ft ($ 25 million) has been spent already on the preparation of the bid.

This goes to the costs of curing the Hungarian complexes with self aggrandizing and deception.

Member

Check out some of the crazy demands made on Olympic host cities by officials at the IOC, ” a notoriously ridiculous organization run by grifters and hereditary aristocrats.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/10/02/ioc_demands_oslo_drops_bid_after_over_the_top_list_of_requirements.html

Guest
That list of demands might have been set up by Fidesz mafiosi! Almost funny if it weren’t so sad … They demand to meet the king prior to the opening ceremony. Afterwards, there shall be a cocktail reception. Drinks shall be paid for by the Royal Palace or the local organizing committee. Separate lanes should be created on all roads where IOC members will travel, which are not to be used by regular people or public transportation. A welcome greeting from the local Olympic boss and the hotel manager should be presented in IOC members’ rooms, along with fruit and cakes of the season. (Seasonal fruit in Oslo in February is a challenge …) The hotel bar at their hotel should extend its hours “extra late” and the minibars must stock Coke products. The IOC president shall be welcomed ceremoniously on the runway when he arrives. The IOC members should have separate entrances and exits to and from the airport. During the opening and closing ceremonies a fully stocked bar shall be available. During competition days, wine and beer will do at the stadium lounge. IOC members shall be greeted with a smile when arriving at their hotel. Meeting rooms… Read more »
Istvan
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Chicago Illinois where I live made an Olympic bid for he 2016 Summer Olympics and Paralympics that was an unsuccessful bid. We got lucky. Like Budapest, Chicago’s cost estimates hovered at $5 billion, with $1.1 billion for the lakeside Olympic Village and an additional estimated $366 million for a temporary 80,000 seat Olympic Stadium to be built in Washington Park. Just like in the case of Budapest the public claim of costs was absurd. Chicago was given by the IOC what was called a technical ranking of 7.0; above the 6.0 minimum threshold which was also absurd and shows how corrupt the IOC is. Just the bid process itself cost about $76 million most of that was squeezed out of corporate “donations.” There are also vast legacy cost from the bid that can be read about in this article http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-olympics-chicago-2016-met-20160715-story.html Like many on this blog are opposing the Budapest bid, I opposed the Chicago bid and my voice and thousands like mine were drowned out by the civic boosters and politicians. Like with Hungary there was no question that corruption was going to play a role in all of this in Chicago. Michael Scott—a powerful Mayor Daley ally and member… Read more »
Observer
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Re self aggrandizing.

© Copyrights reserved!!

Here is my original idea how to spread the glory of the orban regime around the world (and also to bankrupt the country in the process):

Hungary may order a big aircraft carrier to be named Admiral Miklos Horthy !!
And for good measure a second one to be named Governor Viktor Orban.

This way Hungary will also rule the seas, because it doesn’t have any shores now.

Try beat that.

pappp
Guest

The Russians I’m sure will push for Hungary. People may say hey the Russians were almost banned because of state-sponsored doping but that’s the point they were not. The IOC is corrupt so the Russians were spared and they are still extremely influential.

Hungary is a small junk-rated country, I just can’t imagine that IOC (however much money they received from Hungarian taxpayers) would choose Budapest. It would be way too risky.

That said, the entire project is insane. But insane projects are needed to steal money. Only if there is a project is there an easy way to steal. And Orban owns the biggest construction companies in Hungary so he would directly benefit.

Guest

Re: the Russians, Magyars and the Olympics

Wouldn’t be surprised if Vlad is helping out in development of bid and all the sundry items involved with getting the event that picks everybody’s pocket that gets it. Since Vlad and Viktor have been buddies lately I’m sure the latter can get many tips from the former in er ‘fixing the books’ and moving the bucks to various ‘coffers’.

Sochi now was a ridiculous boondoogle with the price tag ( 51 billion!) and piles of money got carried out in wheelbarrows to a select few. Vlad’s fantasy of grabbing prestige with the Games just produced a great ripoff on the Russian people. And his plan of raising the Caucasus to another level hasn’t worked on an economic level. He might as well have thrown all the rubles to the polar bears.

So the Olympics in Magyarorszag. Just another expensive razzle dazzle way to pay off all the barats who shakedown their barats. You know that’s really the only ‘Game’ when you want the Games. Vik is learning from Vlad.. the two budding barats…;-)….

PALIKA
Guest

Seriously though, the Olympic movement has almost nothing to do with the aims of those who revived it in the late 19 Century. Young athletes and their sponsors are in business. The gullible supporters are made to believe it is a genuine competition of effort and excellence. There was nothing to stop the SU pouring state funding to earn the ability to show the superiority of the Soviet system and when needed used performance enhancing drugs on an industrial scale. The stench of scandal is never far from international sport in general and the Olympics and Football in particular.
The UK performance in Rio is greeted which much national rejoicing on an obscene scale. What is omitted is that in line with the precedent set by the SU the sports persons were trained at public expense in a clearly calculated show of national superiority. How far have we come from the spirit of the original games or its modern revival?
On OV’s bid do we really care?

Jean P.
Guest

The last vestiges of the original Olympic idea fell when TV broadcasting rights were sold for money. The Olympics are now a harmful business that should be closed down.

PALIKA
Guest

My thoughts exactly.

Observer
Guest

BTW I think Orban started a tactical retreat from this crazy idea – returning from Rio he stated in an interview that after getting a first hand impression about the other bids, he sees that it will be a tough go and the result is far from certain (or something like this).

pappp
Guest
Observer
Guest

Great. Tnx.
The body language is telling – a gypsy horse trader
(to use the old cliche).

Guest
London Calling! Hungary will not get the 2024 Olympics. It’s the centenary and the IOC can’t risk an under-spend for the celebrations (even if Hungary will probably offer the highest bribe – and even if Bach is pro- Russia and the decision to allow Russians in Rio was distinctly dodgy and Putin will press for Hungary). Why wouldn’t Paris get it for the centenary considering Courbertin was French? And for what they have suffered? They have the resources and pecuniary discipline. Orban will not give up and the money will continue to flow down the black hole of false hope. Despicable and shocking. Last month six doctors resigned en masse from the A&E department of a large hospital during our visit – just fed up with the low wages – leaving the hospital crippled in dealing with the urgently ill. (You have no choice of doctor where you live in Hungary – if he’s bad and incompetent (it’s usually a man) your lumbered until you move. My partner’s mother’s doctor has had a reputation for years for letting patients die, misdiagnosis, and incompetence. He accompanies this with extreme rudeness, shouting and ranting. He willingly takes the envelopes. This man would… Read more »
Bowen
Guest

Charlie – when Hungary wins the Olympic bid, the people will be so jubilant that all their troubles will disappear (including their health issues). Not to mention that the Olympics will inspire everyone to suddenly become fit and athletic. In no time at all, Hungary will be the most glorious, most athletic, and most Christian nation on Earth. Mark my words.

PALIKA
Guest

Sure, but maybe rather short on bread

Guest

Yes, Bowen thanks!

I overlooked the panacea.

Guest

Wow. The doctors cut out like that? After they are getting a bunch of ‘pocket money’ (sorry I forgot to write down the real word in Magyar) on the side from people who are ill just to get decent health service? What an insult after injury. It’s disgusting.

Guest

Completely O/T

Two amazing programmes from the BBC

This one (15mins) about Hungarian Franz Nopcsa von Felső-Szilvás a Natural History ‘hero’:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06fkg22

This one (longer) about escaping from a brain-washing ideology ‘Leaving the Fold’.
My reason? Well I think some Hungarians are trapped in Majgardom; Fideszianism; Jobbikism and ‘Communism-overrunism’, Roman Catholicism – and many other ‘isms’. Once you escape you find freedom and happiness beyond dreams. I escaped early from my ‘ism’ – brought up in church schools and this programme struck many chords. Have a listen?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p046hfzb

Bowen
Guest

Interesting, Charlie. I’d never heard of Franz Nopsca before. He was a Transylvanian-Hungarian aristocrat, who lost his land (and nobility) after 1920. He was also gay. He tried settling in Budapest, before giving up and moving to Vienna. He ran up huge debts, and sold his entire fossil collection to London, before shooting himself and his lover.

Jean P.
Guest

When I came to Hungary first time in the late sixties I was astonished to find that many university educated people could speak no other language than Hungarian. Now fifty years later it is not much better, and Orban’s education reform doesn’t exactly focus on language skills. On the contrary. The stupidity the Hungarians are often accused of may be just ignorance. They are imprisoned in an small language which is mostly being used for lies.

My own native language is even smaller than Hungarian. I am lucky that my school taught me languages, and had competent teachers to do it.

Guest

Curious what language is that? One thing I picked up here in was the notion that once you had English that was it. Americans in my opinion looked to be provincial in the language area. When it came to language I would have preferred to grow up in Europe for obvious reasons.

I recall someone mentioning to me that if you know languages you have the opportunity to be a new individual/person where the world can open up to you. I think it’s true. But in Europe I’m not too sure people in their respective countries want to learn their neighbor’s language. Hungary looks one of the prime cases and look what is happening to them. Look what’s happening to Europe and the ‘union’.

Guest

A field where money might be well spent:

We’ve had a discussion on university rankings here before – and the fact that no Hungarian one made it into the top 500.

Here is the latest ranking:
http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/ng-interactive/2016/sep/05/top-200-universities-in-the-world-2016-the-table

PS and totally OT:

I’m so proud that our Schwab universities (Freiburg, Heidelberg, Karlsruhe, Stuttgart, Tübingen) made it on that list again – though of course they can’t compete financially with the big names …

Guest
Freiburg (and Wurzburg!) is a special place for me because I collect clocks. Proper clocks that go tick tock – not quartz – and are the heartbeat of a house and have to be cared for and maintained. Gustav Becker made many such clocks in his factory in Freiburg and I have at least three – one is a full long-case grandfather clock beautifully carved in mahogany with classic art&craft movement detail. Amazing craftsmanship. Top place in the university of life! During my recent holiday visit to Hungary I was asked to value a clock – it turned out to be a GB – I knew immediately. One of the most beautiful I have ever seen – beautifully carved oak. Unfortunately it was part of a probate exercise and one of the offspring wanted it. They had taken it to a valuer in Hungary who had overvalued it – and thus was out if his price range. (All clocks in Hungary are overpriced – if you go to an antique market in BP they will give you a price of £700-900 for a Gustav Becker (they also speak to you in German when they realise you’re foreign!) You can buy… Read more »
Guest

The over-pricing in BP doesn’t bother me as I would never buy them – dodgy provenance possibly; possibly looted from Jewish artisans.

Nor any antique.

I was very careful with the Hungarian GB – discreet enquiries told me it had been in the family long before 1940!

Guest

Totally OT:

My wife was also fascinated by the cuckoo clock I showed her (an original from the Black Forest – what you get nowadays in Munich eg is usually made in China …) and it’s the pride of our living room here in Hungary …

Guest

Yes Black Forest clocks are the Rolls Royce (see what I did there?!) of clocks.

For me the real RR of clocks were made in Schwarzenbach.

Above all clockmakers – during their heyday in Victorian times – come Hofmeier and Winterhalder.

This is probably my most beautiful and valuable clock. It’s a mantel clock with a delicate ting-tang chime. These clocks in reasonable condition go for around £1000. Many H&M clock movements came to England where English carpentry added the case.

My grandmother clock is one such and keeps amazingly good time – amazingly beautiful on the landing. But the mantle clock (100% German) wins the beauty contest!

Guest

Sorry, Eva! I’ll stop clocking now!

Guest

Forgive me for adding to ‘clocking’ but cuckoo clocks figured a bit in a very interesting exchange in the film, ‘The Third Man’, which showed a dystopian Vienna right after the war. Perhaps some have seen it. Harry Lime, the ‘bad’ guy, giving his rationale on what produced what in the realm of political and cultural atmosphere in various eras…

http://youtu.be/nyuJQ_UO7OE

Guest

Yes!! My clocks are the cradles of democracy!

Guest

You should have asked:

Who has not seen that film – and then ordered those (few?) to go watch it asap!

A real masterpiece – like a cuckoo clock!

Sorry, just couldn’t resist – but I promise to behave better in the future …

Guest

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Hehe… Ok you got a pass! That was some pretty good ice cream you got there!
I hope you like the store!…👍

Guest

Sorry wolfie little tech trouble with a pix I thought you’d find interesting!

petofi
Guest

Charlie,

Show us a picture of your best clock…

Guest

Try This!

Guest

It didn’t like the http address – sorry!

Guest

any ideas?

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bimbi
Guest

“the fact that no Hungarian one made it into the top 500.”

500 or 200?

Guest

ELTE regarded by some as tops hovers around 560.

One ‘faculty’ only of Soros’ CEU is around ninth 9th).

Guest

That’s 9th.

Guest

The Guardian had only the first 200 – here are the complete results:
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2016

As I see it Szeged is in the range 500 – 550 and Eötvös Lorant in 600 – 650 …

Guest

And since I’ve been out of university for quite a while now I would like to know where those smart Russians study. Looks like they don’t believe too much in ‘university’.

petofi
Guest

Russians study in the KGB basements…

Guest

Well I’ll say this. Getting ‘educated’ and ‘politics’ do mix! I have the feeling
the same thing is happening under Fideszian tutelage. Similarities abound.

bimbi
Guest

How deeply depressing this situation is. The corrupt Orban regime unilaterally decides (no referendum on this question – “People don’t know enough to make a decision on the Olympic Games” [Tarlos]) – to bid for the 2024 event and has at its disposal unlimited funds which are then cycled through the Fidesz ‘washing machine’ to the usual suspects. The bid goes forward to another international body – the IOC – which has its own record of ‘gorging at the trough’.

One asks how poor Horváth János has any chance of deflecting this juggernaut of corruption? Viktor Orban kicking his people in the teeth for profit and self-aggrandizement…

Member
What can go wring when Pal Schmitt, ex-Pesident of Hungary, the flagship holder of Fidesz, them man who should serve as role model for all Hungarians, all academics and to all sportsmen stand at the helm? The man who will represent and guide the Hungarian Olympic Committee is no other than Pal Schmitt (featured on the photo above at the very right). He is the man who had to resign as President of the country as he was accused with plagiarism when obtaining his doctorate. The man also fraudulently used a PHD title, he never obtained (even with his plagiarism). The man who said when resigned that he will obtain his real phd, because he is so knowledgeable, then fraudulently claimed that he enrolled into a phd program which his university denied couple of hours later. This is the man who finally said that he has more important things to do than obtaining his real doctorate, like writing a book (that never came out). Yepp, that is the man of FIDESZ, who has no proper education, who had to resign from his post for accusations of misconduct, who became a laughing stock around the world. This is the man who… Read more »
Guest

I fink yor bein unfare abowt my pal Pal Schmitt – he did winna fencing medal and wenta Semmelweiss University.

Semmelweiss iss bluddy gudd Univ ersty.

It cums at leest 852 in Wolfi’s lists.

Member

Yes, yes! I also forgot that Schmitt and his office also wanted to reform and save the Hungarian language from foreign influences, bad habits, and from bad grammar in general.
The proposal he submitted in the Parliament for inclusion in Hungary’s new constitution was littered with grammatical errors.
Schmitt in one of his speech made 6 grammatical errors in 7 words from the Hungarian anthem.

At any case the world will embrace our Hungarian hero, Pal Schmitt who lily will lead Hungary’s bet for the Olympics. In fact the Le Monde playfully called him The Hungarian Borat (“Le président Pal Schmitt, le “Borat de la Hongrie”, a dû démissionner”). I can just imagine when Orban will excel Schmitt again to the circle of real diplomats. The love he will receive!

I think we should have Schmitt for President.. oh I forgot.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2012/04/02/le-president-pal-schmitt-le-borat-de-la-hongrie-a-du-demissionner_1679306_3214.html
http://mandiner.hu/cikk/20101112_a_nyelvvedo_schmitt_pal_helyesirasa
http://www.13keruleti-hirhatar.hu/hirek/schmitt-pal-es-a-nyelvtan

petofi
Guest

Without a doubt, the cherry on Orban’s cake will be to make Gyorgy Matolcsy–after the rest of the 26 billion euros will have disappeared from the central bank–the President of Hungary!

Yessirrreeee.

HAJRA MAGYAROK!!!

Doy
Guest

If the games are so bad, why is there a fierce competition to stage them?

Bowen
Guest

Why is there a fierce competition to stage them? Good question. Excellent question. Bravo.

There isn’t. It’s a poisoned chalice.
• Rome is thinking of withdrawing its bid.
• Berlin decided not to bother.
• Boston withdrew, because of lack of public support (like in Hungary)
• Hamburg withdraw, after most citizens decided they’d prefer not to bid (the same would be true in Budapest, if the citizens were allowed to vote on it)
Many other cities cancelled their bids, presumably because of lack of support, or because feasibility studies concluded that hosting an Olympics wouldn’t be economically sensible (like in Mexico).

Member

I think you are part of the problem, together with Orban. I guess you represent those who have no clue, and blindly follow the leader’s propaganda. Here is some help:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/27/biggest-threat-future-olympic-games-rio-2016-ioc-thomas-bach-hosts
http://qz.com/748894/nobody-wants-to-host-the-olympic-games-anymore-can-you-blame-them/
http://mashable.com/2015/07/29/olympics-host-city/#hn5MbCFvTGqw
http://time.com/3462070/olympics-winter-2022/
Let me add that there is good reason why “undemocratic countries”, and countries with reputation of wide corruption are in the running. Let me tell you it is not the builders, planners, and the politicians who will pick up the tab. It is the taxpayers who will cough up the money and suck up any loss. Orban will not loose a penny, and either will his buddies, who will get the cushy contracts, kickbacks, and grants.

petofi
Guest

re Olympics

It’s the best method to pry loose the 26 billion euros from the Hungarian central bank in one well swoop…

Guest

Re’….and save the Hungarian language from foreign influences’

I’d think he could start from ‘Szia’, eh?

tappanch
Guest

szia, which stands for both hi & bye , was first recorded in 1952 only. It is actually an original Hungarian word.

szervusz < servus on the other hand, comes from Latin.

Its original meaning is the same as that of the Italian ciao < schiavo.

"Találkoztak
A halál szolgája
És a halász Olgája.
Összenéztek:
Alászolgája"

tappanch
Guest

Although “szia” is a Hungarian development, but it is also a Communist vestige. Therefore Orban will mandate the historical expression “alázatos szolgája” again.

Wait:
“szolga” is a Slavic migrant word into the language of the migrant Hungarians.

So is “szabad” (free)…

tappanch
Guest

“When you have entered the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance and have taken possession of it and settled in it,
take some of the first fruits of all that you produce from the soil of the land
[…]
Then you shall declare before the Lord your God: My father was a wandering Aramean” [a migrant]

Deuteronomy 26

tappanch
Guest

To preempt criticism, I know that famous scholars interpreted this sentence differently : [Laban] the Aramean wanted to destroy my father.

We are talking about the same migrant Aramean !

The first translation is positive (my father), while the second is not flattering (a potential murderer).

Guest

Re:’szia…, which stands for both hi & bye , was first recorded in 1952 only. It is actually an original Hungarian word’

Learn something new every day ’round here. I knew ‘szervusz’ but didn’t relate it at all to ‘szia!’ You see I really thought it came from the American-English phonetic sound of ‘See ya!’ I heard it as Magyar ‘slang’ and thought it a cool and hip way of saying hi and bye.

And btw phonetics gets me in Magyarorszag. I remember getting lost for hours in the Buda hills because I confused sound and spelling of a street. A nice guy seeing me in trouble asked me to show him the name. Once he said the name I could see then how I got the pronunciation all wrong. On that I said
‘Kosz szepen!…….. See ya! (Szia!)…;-)

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In most Slav languages however “szolga” means house servant implying low status and obedience. Different word/s are used for public servants, eg служащйи, чиновник in Russian.

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The noun szolga indicates someone of very low status in Hungarian too. Never call someone in Hungary szolga, unless you want a fight.

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A comment of mine (maybe two hours ago) seems to have been lost – or was it deleted?

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