Anti-refugee hysteria in Hungary

The “real” referendum campaign began only after September 4, when Viktor Orbán and the Fidesz parliamentary delegation met for the weekend in Balatonfüred to discuss the political tasks ahead. Of course, the most urgent job is to whip up sentiment against the “migrants,” thus making sure that enough people vote, preferably “no” to the question “Do you want the European Union, without the consent of Parliament, to order the compulsory settlement of non-Hungarian citizens in Hungary?” I’d wager to say that the majority of citizens who are ready to participate in this hoax believe that what they are voting for is “No, we don’t want to have a single migrant in our midst.”

After three weeks of intense campaigning, with government and party officials on the road day in and day out, a veritable hysteria has enveloped the country. It is a frightening reminder of how an unscrupulous demagogue can take basically decent people and instill in them the worst possible instincts about people they know close to nothing about (and the little they think they know comes from dubious sources).

A year ago 64% of Hungarians thought that “it is our duty to help the refugees” and 52% believed that the refugees should be treated more humanely than the Hungarian government was doing at the time. Today the second number has decreased to 38%, and only 35% think it is their duty to help the refugees at all. These are the results of the hate campaign the Orbán government has waged for months. This kind of propaganda blitz can be carried out only in dictatorships where all power is concentrated in the hands of the government and where there is no effective opposition, which by now is pretty much the case in Hungary. The fractured Hungarian opposition has no means by which to combat this one-sided onslaught.

So, let’s see what kinds of tricks the Orbán government is using to achieve its desired end. The most brutal words came from György Nógrádi, the government’s favorite “expert” on national security, who worked as an agent for the internal security establishment during the 1980s. He is apparently very popular as a speaker at the “town meetings” organized by the local authorities. He says that these migrants cannot be integrated, and if Hungarians don’t want “no-go” zones in Hungary they will have to go and vote. In one town the audience was in a total frenzy by the time Nógrádi finished with his stories about the horrid possibilities awaiting them. An older woman rose to speak, clutching the photos of her two granddaughters who will be raped by migrants unless Viktor Orbán saves them. At the end of the lecture Nógrádi suggested that the only way to stop the inflow of migrants is to shoot them as they are crossing the sea.

Zsolt Bayer frightens people by telling them that 2 billion people will be coming to Europe from Africa, even though the population of the continent is only 1.2 billion. Fidesz MPs have been going from town to town, terrifying people with the prospect that migrants will be forcibly settled in their town. In Gödöllő the Fidesz MP of the district told his audience that 1,500 migrants will be settled in the town, which means 220 families. Moreover, in time that number will be much higher because these people’s relatives will join them. The mayor of the town is suing the MP for scare-mongering. In Csepel the Fidesz deputy mayor announced that the residents “wouldn’t be happy if [the government] had to evict the tenants” living in municipal housing in order to make room for the migrants. Moreover, the district now spends 192 million forints on financial assistance for its citizens, and it would be sad if that money ended up in the hands of the migrants. Two lawyers decided to sue the deputy mayor, again for scare-mongering.

Roland Mengyi, the MP whose immunity was just lifted because of the corruption case unearthed by Attila Rajnai of 168 Óra, was asked to campaign for the referendum. No hiding in shame for him. At one of his meetings Gabriella Selmeczi, formerly a Fidesz spokeswoman, told the people of Borsod County that migrants will be settled there and that the “white people” will soon find out what it’s like having “no-go zones” if they don’t vote no. A gypsy in the crowd told the audience that “ten years ago at Olaszliszka these people would have killed not only Lajos Szögi but his daughters as well. Everybody.” In 2006 in Olaszliszka a group of gypsies beat to death a man whom they accused of killing a girl who ran in front of his car. More about the story here.

hysteria by s.butterfy / flickr.com

hysteria by s.butterfy / flickr.com

The official referendum booklet claims that the so-called “no-go” zones are areas of cities that the authorities are unable to keep under their control. Here the society’s written or unwritten norms do not apply. Saying that in those European cities where large numbers of immigrants live several hundred “no-go” zones exist got the Hungarian government into trouble. Not only was Szijjártó asked some hard-hitting questions in an interview with the BBC, but the British, French, German, and Swedish ambassadors together demanded a meeting in the Hungarian foreign ministry about this obviously false claim of the Hungarian government.

Meanwhile, others resort to violence. The Two-tailed Dog Party (KKP), which has collected about 20 million forints and printed several funny “counter-posters,” has several young activists who put them up on advertising surfaces. Pro-government individuals systematically tear them down or cover them with other advertisements. The following incident gives an idea of what’s going on nowadays in the country. Activists were in the middle of putting up KKP posters in Szentendre when a taxi driver went up to them and yelled “A zsidó kurva anyátokat” (Your f..ing Jewish mother). At that point the taxi driver tore down the posters one by one and, when an activist starting taking a video, the man hit him. The activist ended up on the ground. To everybody’s great surprise the police on its own laid charges against the man, who has since been identified as Béla P (63). He is being accused of battery.

The chief culprit is of course Viktor Orbán himself, who just today announced at a press conference in Vienna that in Egypt 5.5 million migrants are waiting to move on and that the EU-Turkish agreement might easily be broken. In this case the EU needs a new “script for the impending disaster” (vészforgatókönyv). I was especially intrigued by the 5.5 million migrants in Egypt since that is an enormous number of people about whom we should have heard sometime, somewhere. So I decided to investigate. I found the following information about the number of refugees in Egypt, as provided by the UN Refugee Agency: “As of 31 August [2016], 187,838 refugees and asylum-seekers have been registered with UNHCR in Egypt, with 116,175 Syrian (62%) followed by 31,200 Sudanese, 10,941 Ethiopians, 7,254 Somalis, and 7,000 Iraqis, among others.”

What can we expect from a government whose the prime minister so brazenly lies about facts that can be easily verified? Not much. The result is a moral disaster.

September 24, 2016
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dos929
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I am wholeheartedly for the European Union, but I am heartbroken by the inept leadership of the EU that left the Orban regime to flourish for over 6 years now and failed to recognise the true nature and intentions of this madman who has no place among not only decent politicians but even amongst decent human beings… I can’t imagine what will happen to the EU in the coming months, let alone in the years to follow, but without Orban things would have been and will be less drastic. In spite of all the ‘reasoning’ to the contrary the EU has the means to make the Orban regime irrelevant and even cause Orban’s demise, as if there is the will there will be ways achieving this noble aim. Unfortunately there isn’t enough will, and the end result may be the end of the EU. Orban was, is and will always be the thin edge of the wedge that ultimately may cause the death of the EU, just like he caused the death of democracy in Hungary. It is also beyond comprehension that the same nation that raised up against the Russian controlled Hungarian regime in 1956 is embracing a fascist… Read more »
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Orban still gathers a lot of support from some EU conservative leaders, whether they agree with him or simply because they need Fidesz’s votes in the European Parliament. In my opinion, that is no excuse though but then, we’re talking about politics.

I cannot help but wonder if the Visegrad countries (Hungary & Poland at least) will not be expelled from the EU at some stage with a re-concentration of the EU around the EU15 Member-States, possibly with some more recently-arrived ones.

Clive Mercer
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theestampe, totally agree. If they remain it could prejudice the very future and existence of the EU . While I felt quite devastated at the decision of the British to leave the EU. They needed to go; they never fully committed themselves to the vision of a United Europe, united against Nationalism and the possibility of another escalating European conflict. Britain’s decision to leave, should be taken by those committed to a vision of a United Europe, as an opportunity to decide who fully shares the vision, and get rid of those nations where Nationalism is on the march. It appears to me that the original vision has been overtaken by economics through trade. Important, but not the underlying principal,

Clive Mercer
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dos929, I share your views, the response overall from the EU has been to say the least pathetic. And as for Orban, he has turned a decent country, that rose against Communist tyranny, into a flag waving nation of Fascists. How a nation can be changed in a mere 60 years. Worse, much worse than sad; disastrous !! Hungary and other Eastern States with shared views, should be ejected from the EU, even if that draws them back into the Russian political orbit.

Guest

Perhaps we should not be surprised when a long abused country which has been used as a doormat and an object where an inculcation of oppressive and inane ideas was the only cause of its taskmasters. Today years on we can see how it all has debilitated the country in its relationships to themselves and to Europe.

I do not think the country has realized how the cause of wanting to be part of Europe after being grabbed by an Eastern power did not take into account the fact that they on accession would become truly ‘strangers in a strange land’. Their cognition of the world is a brutal and vitriolic one. Healing if it ever occurs will be a long time in the offing.

Member

What really broke my heart was the story of an anonymous mother on “Kolozsvári Szalonna” (http://kolozsvaros.com/2016/09/24/olvasoi-level-anya-ha-bejonnek-a-migransok-hordhatok-magamnal-bicskat/ ). The mother, while no great friend of refugees (“nem vagyok migránssimogató”), is nevertheless more afraid of losing her job than of the “migrants”. She doesn’t talk politics to her children and doesn’t like the constant fear-mongering. And now, suddenly, in the middle of the good-night story, her 9-year-old son asks her: “Mommy, if the migrants come here, can I carry a knife with me so that I can defend myself?”

Observer
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Chilling, isn’t it?
But this life in Orbanistan, Türkmenistan…

Guest
Not too much OT – a positive human voice in the wilderness. I was very happy when I read this by one of our famous science fiction and fantasy authors (also my wife’s favourite) George R R Martin: http://grrm.livejournal.com/455639.html?thread=23077335 Espeially the connection with the Statue of Liberty. For me, Lady Liberty and the words on her base represent the best of what this nation of immigrants is all about. One has to wonder if all the governors (including our own governor here in New Mexico, I am ashamed to say) and congressmen voting to keep out the Syrian refugees have ever visited the Statue, or read the words on her base. If so, they surely failed to understand them. And here is his latest comment on refugees – a reminder: A salute to immigrants! The United States is a nation of immigrants. The vast majority of you reading this are descended from immigrants (aside from those few who are Native American). I know I am. My paternal grandfather came over from Italy as a child. My maternal grandfather was Irish-American, a Brady whose own ancestors hailed from Oldcastle in County Meath. My paternal grandmother was half German and half Welsh.… Read more »
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Always thought that Magyarorszag had an ‘in’ on the fact of possibly understanding immigration and emigration here to America after ’56. Got faked out on that one. Some ‘in’ eh? And it has gone so ‘out’ that they do the ‘dance with the bear’ next door decades later……. and some now advocate shooting people at borders. A country not firing on all cylinders.

hubert
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Inside job? I think it was.

Remember that before the 1998 elections (which Fidesz won) many relatively small bombs were blown up at the residences of top Fideszniks. Nobody ever caught the perpetrators. On the other hand we know Sandor Pinter has a lock on the Ministry of Interior position under Fidesz governments and he regularly met with Dietmar Clodo aka the bomb maker.

I guess it would help the referendum if the hysteria continued with a ‘real’ terror threat. Also Putin used these inside jobs to his advantage so the fideszniks figure it could work again.

http://444.hu/2016/09/25/rendorok-serultek-meg-a-szombat-ejszakai-terez-koruti-robbanasban

tappanch
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Most commenters believe that the bomb on the main boulevard of Budapest near the Academy of Music was planted by one of Orban’s numerous secret(ive) services to increase his chances to top the 50% turnout in the October 2 referendum.

Police had started to close the neighborhood before the bomb went off last night before 11 PM.

http://444.hu/2016/09/25/hermetikusan-lezarta-a-terez-korutat-a-rendorseg

PALIKA
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It is interesting that there are apparently two casualties and both are Police. Did one of them detonate it rather clumsily before they had a chance to get further away. Early Police casualties of terror attacks are rare unless they are specifically targeted.

tappanch
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Let me add my personal testimony. The blast was on Friday evening. I had been walking on the main boulevard a day before, on Thursday afternoon. Near Blaha Lujza square, I noticed that there were police in front of EACH gate. I asked a policeman why. He answered that they had to evacuate all of the houses because of a “bomb”, and police were preventing anyone from entering the empty houses. I saw lots of police cars on the other side of the boulevard, near the former cinema “Bastya”.

tappanch
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Correction: The blast was on Saturday evening.

tappanch
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Last poll before the bomb blast.

54% of the voters promised to go to vote. 11% of this percentage would vote invalid.

Thus valid (for or against the government proposal) votes stood around 48.1%, making Orban’s referendum invalid.

http://www.publicus.hu/blog/kvotanepszavazas_a_tobbseg_szerint_felesleges/

webber
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Tappanch – “invalid” votes that are cast are going to be counted as valid. The electoral board made that announcement a week or so ago.
They won’t be counted as “no” votes or “yes” votes, but as votes. Thus, every invalid vote helps Fidesz achieve a valid referendum.
Anyone who votes at all is going to help this referendum be valid. A “yes” vote, an invalid vote, and a “no” vote counts. Every ballot dropped in the box counts.
So, if 11% of the electorate go out and deface their ballots and drop them in the box, the referendum will surely pass.

Guest

webber?

If this is true it is a measure of how desperate Orban is for his ‘plebesite’.

In a decent democracy, for example,……er the UK! Invalid votes are excluded from the turnout figures.

Indeed they were excluded from our Brexit referendum – and in quite a few ways:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36044026

In addition there are ‘no photography’ signs up and a £6000 fine if you divulge how someone voted – inadvertently or not.

I’d be interested in the ‘Threatenerendum’ conditions regarding this.

tappanch
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Official FAQ:

“Az országos népszavazás érvényes, ha az összes választópolgár, azaz
a magyarországi lakcímmel rendelkező választópolgárok és a magyarországi lakcímmel nem rendelkező „külhoni” regisztrált választópolgárok több mint fele érvényesen szavazott.”

http://valasztas.hu/hu/ref2016/1134/1134_0.html

If there are two intersecting lines on both the “yes” and the “no” circles in ink, the authorities cannot make the ballot valid.

Personally, I will boycott the referendum.

If the Russian-Iranian attack on Eastern Aleppo is successful, hundreds of thousands of new refugees will arrive in Turkey. Erdogan will decide when he pushes the Syrian refugees and Afghan migrants in his country towards Europe AGAIN .

We are all at the mercy of Orban’s fellow dictator, friend and Islamist leader Erdogan.

webber
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I am sure I can hunt down the news if you don’t believe me. It is important.

They are going to count votes cast as votes cast (there is some logic to that) regardless of whether they can be counted as yes votes or not.

webber
Guest

(and yes the official website still says they will not count those votes – but the OVB made the announcement that they will).

pappp
Guest

Webber is right. Basically it is impossible to cast an invalid ballot – no matter what the home page of the Election Commission says.

Especially as in most places it will be exclusively fidesznik commissioners who will evaluate, count the votes with no oversight whatsoever. Perhaps the closest opposition commission member will be 60 kilometers away in another county.

Only hopelessly naive people think they are capable of gaming the system.

No such luck. Orban set up the system and therefor he controls it.

Only by staying away is there any chance of making the job of fideszniks a little difficult.

PALIKA
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Are you sure? The blast was reported as being on Saturday evening 10.30 at the Oktogon not Blaha. Bastya was opposite the Hungaria Kavehaz about a mile away.

The story is interesting nevertheless

tappanch
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I witnessed the police operation around 4 or 5 in the afternoon on Thursday, 22nd September.

So either police practiced a similar scene 2 days before the blast, or it is also possible that they had general information like “bomb on the main boulevard in the next few days”.

PALIKA
Guest

Yes, acting on tip off intelligence. Your info is accurate what comes from the government maybe pure fantasy unless it comes from an independent source such as Ruiters

Andy
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I heard and saw Orban’s komments at the Vienna press konference.

What he said made GOOD SENSE.

i.e.
Europa: decide: either let yourself get run over by marauding foreign civilians or collect them at the entrance gate.

Methinks Orban MAKES SENSE ON THE LONG-RUN.

In case you do not agree reply to my comment below please.

Guest
When hundred thousands of Syrians suddenly decided that they had had enough of the civil war and fled their country by foot walking towards Europe it was called a migration crisis although it was merely a fluctuation in the already large migration towards Europe from Africa, the Middle East and Asia. The term migration crisis is misleading because a crisis is temporary. When the crisis is over everything is fine again. Unfortunately there is no reason to believe that people in poor and war-torn countries surrounding Europe will stay at home and wait to be killed by crazy warlords or starve to death. The migration towards Europe is a permanent condition. It may fluctuate but it is more likely to increase than to decrease in the long run. Allow me a contradiction in terms and call the mess we are in a permanent crisis until a better description emerges. When discussing what to do it makes a huge difference whether we think of how to solve a temporary crisis and how to react to a permanent crisis. A few days ago we heard that members of the Hungarian government proposed to establish concentration camps for migrants on lonely islands or… Read more »
PALIKA
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Yes, yes, of course. The best solution is to keep migrants near home and solve the problem there. OV is not the first to articulate it. Some mass a start but it has not worked. With OV in charge the chances are minus zero. To take people with you you, you need friends or at least admirers.

PALIKA
Guest

“mass” read “made”

Guest

re: ‘……. sure way to inspire terror acts against Hungary thus achieving the opposite of what was intended. In the long run it would lead to arming of the migrants and a permanent state of siege at the borders’

Precisely. And if there are migrants with nefarious intent they are already using Orban’s harangues to foment opinion against his kind of opposition.

Andy
Guest

whuuu – the word press system iz goin goin BANANAZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Misnomering my high credentials etc.

Letsz get it straight. If you are FOR free entry to the EU. Start with the word 001. If you are for waitin at the border for clearance, start with 002. If you dont know hat to think… start with 003

Bowen
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The ‘bomb’ has caused a lot of havoc. The 4/6 tram isn’t running at all, and the road between Oktogon and Blaha is closed off meaning that even replacement buses have to take a wide detour.

Bowen
Guest

Now this is interesting. I am in Kiraly Utca right now. Kurt Utca is blocked off because they are filming a movie there. Clearly about 1956 because the extras have flags and are shouting ‘Ruszkik haza’ and there is lots of artificial smoke. Very weird considering the Korut is blocked off with police cordons a few metres away. Maybe it’s all a piece of Hungarian theatre?

Bowen
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10million forints has been spent on referendum propaganda in the 8th district of Budapest (one of the poorest neighbourhoods). Nearly double the amount spent on daycare services for preschool children. https://vastagbor.atlatszo.hu/2016/09/21/10-milliobol-kampanyol-jozsefvaros/

Guest

Back to reality:
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Yessir, ‘hulyeseg’ usually tells it like it is, eh?
Csak a penz, csak a penz, koszonom szepen!

PALIKA
Guest

Go to nol.hu for pics of the scene of the explosion taken by Russian girl, alleged porn star, probably a stripper, from her upstairs window

Member
Re: tricks & scaremongering by Orban + Fidesz. Next Level. On Saturday night 24.9.16. at 10.45 pm, there was reportedly a bomb attack in Budapest. 2 people hurt, both police officers, no one else injured. It was on Erzsébet utca, the main ring road of the city. I went to take look at the scene today. It was cordoned off, but you could pass around it on foot. I was on the scene at 6.15 pm, at 6.30 pm the police were due to make a TV statement. One street back, parallel to the crime scene is a small street Kürt u. It was closed both ends by tape and guarded by private security. I watched as a lorry with a giant, car sized industrial fan hidden in Kürt u covered the scene with movie style smoke and an odd smell. 15 mins before the TV coverage. There were also 2 or 3 other smaller ride on machines, a digger etc, the type that put holes in walls etc. I couldn’t believe what I’d just seen. A totally stage managed, faked scene. I got a photo, but of course it was partially blurred by the movie smoke. Other important points… Read more »