The much-heralded seventh amendment to the Hungarian Constitution

Changing the constitution is a frequent affair in Viktor Orbán’s Hungary. The amendment promulgated today is the seventh since April 2012. So by now the ministry of justice can draft these amendments with relative ease and great speed. Admittedly, we don’t know when work began on this latest touch-up because the Orbán government kept its preparation secret.

According to Hungarian law, no referendum can be held on issues related to the constitution. Yet even before the “refugee” referendum was held, it was obvious that the result of a successful referendum would be a constitutional amendment.

"Five years old Hungary's Basic Law. God bless the Hungarians! April 25, 2016" Great celebration by Magyar Posta

“Hungary’s Basic Law five years old. God bless the Hungarians! April 25, 2016” Great celebration by Magyar Posta

Well, the referendum turned out not to be valid, but such setbacks don’t deter Viktor Orbán. Today László Trócsányi, minister of justice, submitted the government’s proposed amendments to the constitution. The text of the amendments is accompanied by a fairly lengthy justification. Under the heading “General Justifications” we can read:

At the referendum held on October 2, 98% of the electorate voted ‘no’ for forced settlement. With this act the new unity for Hungary came into existence. This new unity is above parties; it considers the defense of Hungary’s sovereignty and the rejection of settlement quotas to be national issues.

The common will of the 98% obliges parliament to endow it with legal force. This amendment is based on the will of a 98% majority, 3 million 300 thousand people. This is more than the electoral support of any party in the past quarter century.

So, let’s see what Trócsányi and his men in the justice ministry came up with. The translation was done by Ben Novák of The Budapest Beacon. I assume that eventually the government will make its official English version available.

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A sentence will be added to the much criticized Preamble, the National Avowal.

After the sentence that reads “We honour the achievements of our historical constitution and we honour the Holy Crown, which embodies the constitutional continuity of Hungary’s statehood and the unity of the nation,” the following sentence will appear: “We hold that the defense of our constitutional self-identity, which is rooted in our historical constitution, is the fundamental responsibility of the state.”

Paragraph 2 of Article E of the Fundamental Law will be amended to read:

Hungary, as a Member State of the European Union and in accordance with the international treaty, will act to the extent necessary to be in accordance with the rights and responsibilities granted by the founding treaty, in conjunction with powers granted to it under the Fundamental Law together with other Member States and European Union institutions. The powers referred to in this paragraph must be in harmony with the fundamental rights and freedoms established in the Fundamental Law and, in addition, they must not limit Hungary’s inalienable rights concerning its territorial integrity, its population, its form of government, and its state structure.

Article R of Article 3 (paragraph 4) will be amended to include:

It is the responsibility of every state institution to defend Hungary’s constitutional identity.

Article 4 (1), paragraphs 1-3 will be replaced with the following text:

(1) No alien population can be settled in Hungary. Foreign citizens, not including the citizens of countries in the European Economic Area, in accordance with the procedures established by the National Assembly for Hungarian Territory, may have their documentation individually evaluated by Hungarian authorities.

(2) Hungarian citizens on Hungarian territory cannot be deported from Hungarian territory, and those outside the country may return whenever they so choose. Foreigners residing on Hungarian territory may be deported only by means of legal adjudication. It is forbidden to perform mass deportations.

(3) No person can be deported to a state, nor can any person be extradited to any state, where they are in danger, discriminated against, subject to persecution, or where they are at risk of any other form of inhumane treatment or penalty.

Paragraph 4 of Article XIV will be expanded with the following text:

(4) Hungary will provide asylum to non-Hungarian citizens if the person’s country of origin or other countries do not provide protection, and also to those who, in their homeland or place of residence, are persecuted for their race, ethnicity, social standing, religion, or political convictions, or if their fear of persecution is grounded.

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It’s been only a few hours since the text of the amendments was made available, so few commentaries have appeared. One came from Csaba Molnár, a deputy chairman of the Demokratikus Koalíció, who put it bluntly: Orbán conned the country with these amendments. He used a somewhat indelicate comparison which I will translate here as “the amendments have no teeth.” In his opinion the amendments are simply a rewriting of currently effective Hungarian and European laws. They are no more than eyewash (szemfényvesztés).

Péter Magyari of 444.hu finds the wording vague and elastic. He pays special attention to paragraph 4 of article XIV which, in his opinion, doesn’t preclude the execution of quota decisions but only describes its road map. All in all, he thinks the text is cautious and elastic, so the European Commission will most likely accept it.

Now the question is what Gábor Vona of Jobbik will say to the amendments. After all, without his support Fidesz doesn’t have enough votes to pass them. The democratic parties already announced their refusal to engage in any discussion about them. DK, in fact, because of Fidesz’s attitude toward the results of the referendum, the “sanctimonious” amendment of the constitution and what happened to Népszabadság, will boycott parliament. From the little we know about Jobbik’s reaction, it looks as if Vona, who wants to have a private discussion with Orbán about the issue, also finds the text far too cautious and elastic. He and his party want certain changes. What these changes are we don’t know yet, but people suspect that Jobbik considers the amendments too wishy-washy.

I’m sure that legal scholars better versed in European law will find Trócsányi’s amendments a great deal more sophisticated than meets the eye. I’m looking forward to a lively debate on the subject.

October 10, 2016
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Ferenc
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Let’s first clarify the overall results of the referendum (again):

referendum results (tot.electorate – 8.272.625):
YES/IGEN – 56.163 – 0.7%
NO/NEM – 3.362.224 – 40.6%
Invalid/Érvénytelen – 224.668 – 2.7%
did not vote / nem mentek szavazni – 3.506.618 – 56.0%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About the constitution I’ll look forward to comments from people with thorough law and justice knowledge.

Member

Some More Sub-Carpathian Codswallop From Orban’s Peacock Throne

Unless there are some subtle nuances here I cannot detect, this is exactly the kind of peacock strut one would expect from Orban. He fails to con or browbeat enough people into a valid referendum, so he declares victory anyway and enshrines it in yet another constitution re-scribble, solemnly re-stating what was already the case, but with a bit more patriotic panache to fit the triumphal occasion.
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London Calling! Hearing Chief Lying Toad Zoltan Kovács on World Questions try and defend the validity of the Threatenerendum was a hoot – a long-winded explanation that lost most people, I believe, halfway through. Of course, everyone else’s referendum would be invalid in the same circumstances, but because it was Orban’s, the government “had to listen”! I predict that because Orban wants to change the constitution its mega-importance transcends the ⅔ rule – because the government “has to take heed” – that he will just go ahead and change it – regardless of Jobbik’s support or not. I propose that because the way Orban (and Maria Schmidt) rewrites and rides rough shod over history and installs ersatz kitsch furniture in Sandor Palace – and no doubt in the Buda Castle in preparation for his anointment as King Orban… that he should straighten up the cross on St Istvan’s crown. It looks stupid. Now would be a good time to include it with his plebescite changes. I’ve seen the crown in its glass box – and the silly tin soldiers who prance around guarding it. And that wonky cross spoils the effect. Tourists pay good money to see it and the… Read more »
Reality Check
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Petition to resurrect Népszabadság and press freedom in Hungary.

http://www.peticiok.com/vissza_a_nepszabadsagot_vissza_a_sajtoszabadsagot

Alex Kuli
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That’s going to do about as much good as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Orban is not going to be swayed by any petition, no matter how many signatures they manage to gather.

The only way is if the petition is accompanied by mass protests that cripple traffic across Hungary for days on end. Halting traffic in Budapest alone will do no good, because Orban already regards Budapest as the enemy.

Moreover, I’ve been to a number of free-press protests in Hungary. What usually happens is, thousands of people turn out, cheer for the speakers, then mutter “balsors, akit regen tep” and go home. If people want to resurrect Nepszabadsag, they are going to need organization, discipline and persistence. Hungary’s democratic forces are not known for such qualities, although I’d be thrilled to see a change in their attitudes.

tappanch
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Nepszabadsag shutdown.

Money flow.

Taxpayers’ money by order of Orban and Rogan – – – -) “settlement bond scheme”, largest beneficiary the Chinese WanHua as intermediary firm, Simon Mu – – -) VPC Pecina

Taxpayers’ money – – -) state-owned BKK bank, led by Matolcsy appointees , sold to people whose identity is declared state secret spring 2016 – – – -) purchased the brand names Nepszabadsag, Nepszabadsag, nol.hu in secret from VPC Pecina, summer 2016

Alex Kuli
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I assume you mean VCP, right? Can you give a link for these items?

webber
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It’s all up on Index. In English, Euobserver.com also has much of the story, though without some of the details that are on Index.
https://euobserver.com/political/135444
Bloomberg reported yesterday that the EC is “very concerned” but has almost no other details:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-newspaper-idUSKCN12A1NX
The Euobserver story is superior to what Reuters put up (Reuters is consistently weak on Hungary – and that is putting it mildly).
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-newspaper-idUSKCN12A1NX

tappanch
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Member

Number of total electorate: 8,272,625
59% voted against Orban by not showing up, cancelling their vote, or voting against.
That is 41% against 59%. Even if Orban does not respect his own laws (50% should attend for a valid outcome), can he even do math?

tappanch
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Since
A. the roster of the eligible mail-in voters contains lots of dead people,
B. 34% of them have only an email address,
C. 41% of their ballots were dropped off in bulk after the referendum day,
D. the chain of custody of the mail-in ballots is completely hazy,

The mail-in voting system as it is now is rigged and illegitimate as such.

tappanch
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Eligible voters with Hungarian address: 7 997 998.

Valid votes: 3 288 031 or 41.11%. Not in a single county did the ratio of valid votes reach the legally required 50%. It was below this threshold even among the mail-in voters.

Votes agreeing with the government on this single issue:
3 233 280 or 40.42%

tappanch
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The seventh amendment to the basic law.. Orban himself does not call his basic law a constitution. That was abrogated effective January 2012.

Parlament.hu, folyamatban levo torvenyjavaslatok, 12458.pdf

In my opinion, Orban and his regime are usurpers of power, therefore all of their laws and amendments are illegitimate and illegal since April 2011.

When Orban took power in May 2010, he swore to uphold the Constitution. Less then a year later he decided to abolish it.

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Re: ‘In my opinion, Orban and his regime are usurpers of power, therefore all of their laws and amendments are illegitimate and illegal since April 2011’ Does a bear sh** in the woods? From the ‘General Justification’… ‘The common will of the 98% obliges parliament to endow it with legal force. This amendment is based on the will of a 98% majority, 3 million 300 thousand people. This is more than the electoral support of any party in the past quarter century With that one gets a whiff of Rousseau’s ‘general will’ operating in the Magyar electorate. According to Rousseau all laws are the expression of the general will. It all emanates from the people. But it is quite evident no matter the obfuscatory spin Orban puts on the referendum the government evinces an attitude completely divorced from reality. The spin meisters are shrewd as hell. Really we see a government NOT supported by popular sovereignity but rather actually delegitimatizing themselves from representing the will of the people. It is in fact they who put themselves above the law as they run off their own interests as a separate agglomeration inimical to public good. The new amendments now are the… Read more »
Jean P.
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About the addition to the preamble.
The preamble as it is sounds like peptalk to boys couts. The addition about “constitutional identity” is gibberish to boy scouts and everybody else.

Guest

I was wrong. “Constitutional identity” is not gibberish to everybody. Kim Lane Sheppele explains it horrifyingly.

http://budapestbeacon.com/featured-articles/proposed-constitutional-amendment-may-undermine-eu-law-says-scheppele/40624

dos929
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“According to Hungarian law, no referendum can be held on issues related to the constitution. ” This is the real face of the Hungarian democracy, Orban style… Even in the totalitarian states such as Egypt had a referendum about their new constitution, and if I recall it correctly, Zimbabwe as well. But in ORBANISTAN only the great leader himself can define what issues, if any, can be put to the people…. And the silence emitting from the EU is deafening…..

PALIKA
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Professor Harnard is right. It is of no obvious significance and in my view it would be mistake to spend time on any further analysis. It is an example of the traditional Budapest grandiose mindset. Slogans, big phrases, zero meaning just propaganda.

Gabor Toka
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I am no legal scholar but habitually suspicious when I read that all government agencies will be responsible for sg extremely vaguely defined (like the rule of the proletariat or what) as in this amendment: “It is the responsibility of every state institution to defend Hungary’s constitutional identity.” I can imagine an agreeable definition for constitutional identity (how about rule of law and constitutional democracy for a start) and I know that the even more scary words of the Preamble have not seen (?) practical use as yet, but still, the doubt remains. On the short run though these amendments will firmly put Orban in the clown’s cloths.

tappanch
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% of advertisement income coming from the Hungarian state.
(Jan-May 2016)

Lokal 81%
Magyar Idok 63%
Magyar Hirlap 48%

These three fidesznik newspapers keep their circulation numbers secret.

Magyar Nemzet 8%
Nepszabadsag 1%

https://adatujsagiras.atlatszo.hu/2016/10/11/nehany-adat-arrol-hogy-a-kormanykozeli-mediat-hogyan-tartja-el-a-piac/

pappp
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This is not too complicated. Basically – after approving the new amendment – anything can be deemed contrary to Hungarian “constitutional identity”. In other words the EU decides something and then the Constitutional Court (not much more than Fidesz party chapter) issues a verdict that it’s contrary to the constitutional identity. And then that’s that. Orban will have a paper for all to see that he just can’t execute the EU decision. His hands are tied, see, he must follow the constitution (the Hungarian Basic Law). Certainly the EU can’t expect from him to break Hungarian law. Hungary is a true Rechststaat where laws must at all times be followed. It will be a start of a long legal-political process which itself the EU doesn’t want to get involved in. It’s too messy, its outcome is way too uncertain , too political, and makes the impotence of the EU even more obvious. Always better to pretend and compromise. In short: Orban wins again as he usually does. Currently the EU law – by legal scholars – is thought to be superior to member state law but for how long? If a Hungarian court decides that it’s not superior after all… Read more »
webber
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Actually, Orban has already had to change some laws, and some of his own constitution, because it was found to be in contradiction to EU regulations (which were adopted by Hungary before the new constitution was passed).
Perhaps you missed that because you were just reading Fidesz press in those days?

webber
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In case you don’t know what I mean, look up how and why the fifth amendment to the constitution was drafted.

pappp
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So Orban fooled you too? Orban always presents a more outrageous version of his plans first so that the compromise after some peacock dance (which he always expects) would be what he wanted from the beginning. Often he presets a version, he sees that there is some criticism so goes more to the extreme to which there is a real uproar from the EU which eventually rubberstamps the original version. Orban thereby – behind the scenes – looks pretty generous and effectively gives the opportunity to the EU to look competent and productive for which the EU is pretty grateful. Orban smartly lets the EU to claim credits when he knows those credits are in fact irrelevant. It looks as though (ie, for a few observers and intellectuals who follow these issues) Orban was forced to do something by the EU but in reality it was a meaningless compromise. Of course the majority of the voters wouldn’t even know about these issues because Orban owns the media. The point is no compromise hindered his looting, his ability to destroy the EU from within, to bind Hungary to Russia and so on. To the contrary, after every such compromise he was… Read more »
webber
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So, you think Orban is a genius.
No comment. It speaks for itself.

pappp
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Orban is no genius. Orban is only a focused individual who uses out the weaknesses of the EU. Nobody used those weaknesses out before, that’s all. You don’t need to be a genius for that. You only need to want to destroy it. Finally the EU admitted a member whose leader is intent on destroying it when said club doesn’t have powers to defend itself. The EU used to pretend it did the have powers, now it’s getting clear it just doesn’t.

Guest

Come on!

O is just a dwarf trying to play games with the EU – and destroying Hungarian people’s life (But that’s not the EU’s problem – if Hungarians want it that way …)!

Why should the EU worry too much about the silly things Hungarians do?

As long as the Opel and Mercedes cars get built on time and half a million Hungarians work in DACH everything’s fine.

PS:

And Hungarians go shopping like crazy in the ALDI and LIDL – also in the OBI and Praktiker, so:
What me worry?

tappanch
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This is how Orban & Co. put the yoke on the entire Hungarian mass media:

2010: new media law with “Media Authority”, all of them Fidesz appointees.

2010-2011: reorganization of public television & radio into state media,
firing of most of its journalists.
From 89% to 95% of all news on them are now government propaganda

Read the other 10 steps:

http://24.hu/media/2016/10/10/ezekkel-a-modszerekkel-gyurtek-maguk-ala-orbanek-szinte-a-teljes-magyar-mediaipart/

tappanch
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Chrome extension to read old articles of Nepszabadsag from the internet archive.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nol-arch%C3%ADvum/pdekkajpnnmjgcncegojkdjcimkkdopc

Thank you Mr Kozma !

tappanch
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CNN’s Quest means business Now to Hungary where the country’s largest opposition newspaper has closed down quite spectacularly over the weekend. Now normally we wouldn’t necessarily be covering just a newspaper closure in a relatively small country in central Europe, but in this case it’s very different. Two thousand demonstrators gathered outside parliament to protest against what’s happened. They believe that the left-wing papers demise is entirely politically motivated, and stems from the right-wing Prime Minister, Viktor Orban. […] HORVATH: During the last few weeks, we came up with a few scoops. One of them the chairman of the National Bank hiring his long-time lover for triple salaries. She happens to be a yoga teacher. Everybody wonders why the National Bank of Hungary needs a yoga teacher in a high paying job. And this other one was a cabinet minister flying on a helicopter to the countryside wedding with his family and then trying to lie about this. So we came up with a few stories which were very unpleasant, but I guess, the main problem of the prime minister was losing the referendum on migrants. QUEST: He says he won it. He says — […] HORVATH: I know. I… Read more »
tappanch
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New secrecy law to make it impossible to discover some of Orban & Co. shady financial dealings.

The law was submitted yesterday afternoon. The vote, with certain outcome is at 1 PM today. This what the English call rubber stamp Parliament.

http://www.parlament.hu/irom40/12450/12450.pdf

tappanch
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Voila, the zombie Fidesz MPs already made it into a law at 1:06 PM. It took less then 24 hours.

To my astonishment, MSzP also voted for secrecy !

tappanch
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tappanch
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webber
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Haven’t they made a similar mistake before? Or was that DK?

pappp
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MSZP is owned by Fidesz. Why would MSZP vote with a yes for anything unless it’s cutting taxes, raising pensions etc.?

It’s a very simple rule: vote always with no unless it’s a popular measure.

Since today there was nothing popular there was no reason whatsoever for MSZP to vote with a yes for anything.

But Fidesz paid the relevant people to make MSZP look stupid and corrupt at the same time.

Guest

A new law every day keeps sanity away!

From Germany where I am right now this looks like a movie made by Borat or rather an imitator, because Borat wouldn’t use such a bad and ugly script …

Unbelievable!

e-1956
Guest

After the decline of the Deak era, Hungary became a hostage of neighboring strong powers. Can this fidezz regime stay in power without the strong support of the russian state?

petofi
Guest

The KGB probably controls Pinter and the Hungarians won’t budge without approval.
A slave state.

tappanch
Guest

According to the state news source MTI, chairman of European Parliament, Social Democrat Martin Schultz is very submissive to Orban.

“We should not victimize Orban”, he has allegedly said.

This MTI news item was adopted by most Hungarian news outlets, as usual, without checking its validity.

Mr Schultz is silent on his webpage, which is bad enough.

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20161011_orban_aldozat

Guest

Nonsense!

Just look at the German news on Hungary:
https://www.welt.de/themen/viktor-orban/https://www.welt.de/themen/viktor-orban/

And Schulz said:
Orban spielt ein gefährliches Spiel mit der EU
O is playing a dangerous game – doesn’t sound “submissive” to me!

tappanch
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Statement of the biggest Jewish denomination, MaZsiHiSz about the closure of Nepszabadsag

“Freedom of the press is as important value as freedom of speech, assembly or religion”

http://mazsihisz.hu/2016/10/10/mazsihisz–demokracianak-fontos-eszkoze-a-szabad-nyilvanossag-9573.html

The web page of pro-Fidesz Chabad is silent.

tappanch
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1% tax donation by private taxpayers (data as of 2016-09-01):

by the number of taxpaying donors:

MaZsiHiSz: 70.5%
Chabad: 27.0%, increasing
Orthodox: 2.4%

by the amount of tax donations:

MaZsiHiSz: 71.4%
Chabad: 25.0%
Orthodox: 3.6%

tappanch
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tax year 2015

bimbi
Guest

Here are a couple of items from today’s Guardian which may appear “off-topic” but in the crazy world of “Our Dear Dictator’s Hungary” are very much “on-topic”:

Italy suspends Rome’s 2024 Olympic bid:
City offically drops application to host Games after mayor says it would be irresponsible to take on cost of event.
A city government panel in Tokyo warned last month that the cost of the 2020 Olympics could exceed $30bn (£24bn), more than four times initial estimates.

TIME TO END THIS IDIOCY!

tappanch
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Government funding for newspapers in return for referendum propaganda,
only in July 2016:

Mediaworks + Pannon lapok (Orban’s October acquisitions): 85.1 million
Russmedia: 37.4
Magyar Idők: 34.9
Magyar Hírlap: 34.9
Lokal: 23.8

https://atlatszo.hu/2016/10/11/a-nyomtatott-sajtoban-a-mediaworks-profitalt-a-legtobbet-a-kvotakampanybol/

pappp
Guest

I like the name Russmedia. Who’s behind this entity? I guess some Strohmen who just chose a fitting name.

Guest

Russmedia!

Guest

Russmedia? Talan ugy nez ki mint az ‘Roszzoroszmedia… Owned by ‘VP’ Worldwide Media Enterprises … a solo ownership company…’The Truth Speaks With One Voice’

tappanch
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Pol Pot & Olaf,

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As we can see, Hungarian authorities are much less likely to examine OLAF’s fraud charges than the EU average (12% vs 60%) and once they do that, they are less likely to indict anyone (25% vs 47%).

https://atlatszo.hu/2016/10/11/magyarorszag-dobogos-helyeken-az-europai-csalas-elleni-hivatal-az-olaf-feketelistain/

tappanch
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tappanch
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“Constitutional self-identity” of Hungary:

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Guest

An image is a thousand words! And just to paraphrase an ole adage….Nothing like . s*** plopping downpole’ … 🙀

tappanch
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Another step towards totalitarian rule:

Fidesz plans to ban all billboard companies that it cannot control (like Simicska’s now). In the future, only Fidesz approved big billboards can appear in Hungary.

Financial beneficiaries of the bill are Fidesz-created oligarchs like Garancsi.

http://index.hu/gazdasag/2016/10/10/oriasplakat_varoskep/

tappanch
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The new, fideszized version of Nepszabadsag:
(Cartoon created by the “Two-tailed dog party”)

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http://ketfarkukutya.com/?p=2043

tappanch
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All right, the government purchased (by proxy) the words “Nepszabadsag” and “Nepszabi”, so these names cannot be used in the future.

My suggestion for a new name (if someone like Mr Soros, US Congress or anyone are willing to give money towards a new, post-klepto-Fascist Hungary):

“SzABADSAGOT” (Freedom in accusative as in ‘I wish freedom’)

Other title ideas?

Guest

Re: the takeover of billboard co’s

Another shot in getting the word out.
Note one of the ‘London Boardmen’ doing their job in Victorian England. Purveyors of ‘on the street signage!’ Vik if he goes after bb’s could be seeing this down Vaci Utca if even access to the bb’s get tight……;-)…

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webber
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An excellent idea – for the opposition in 2018. There are still people who wear signage like that in the U.S., and I’ve seen one or two in Budapest.

Guest

Could be considering the state of media affairs. A thought occurred to me what would likely happen if the opposition constructed their own media enterprises to counter that Fideszian python around Magyar media outlets. Wait I know. Fidesz will do the tried and true. Let’s go to the Constitution! It appears to be the ‘all problem solver’ of the Fidesz nation.

I have seen here that the gang in charge has been described as ‘criminals’. Going to be tough putting them away because they are looking from the outside in at the prison they have made of the country. What a conundrum the country finds itself in. Such few guards holding a nation of ‘prisoners’ in check.

Guest
For many years on visits to Oxford Street (‘The West End’) – long before internet shopping – and the hallowed halls of retail therapy of Selfridge’s and Marks & Spencer – you might bump into Stanley Green. He represented the epitome of English eccentricity and to many was an object of ridicule. To some more considerate souls he was just someone doing something he believed in. He was a human bill-board – just like in your photograph – and at the very top of his boards – front and back – was LESS MEAT LESS LUST! Because it was illegal to sell on the streets ( practically all of the West End is owned by the Queen – Crown Estates) he used to sell a pamphlet – it was free but you had to make a 1/- donation. That’s ‘one shilling’ LSD. From boyhood to adulthood he was always a constant when you went shopping to assuage one’s materialism. I always bought my Levi’s and got a haircut from the same hairdresser who cut Rod Stewart’s hair! (Sir Rod Stewart as from this week!) Dear old Stanley Green was an entertaining backdrop to Londoners lives – famous the world over… Read more »
Guest

Oh yes! And he was against ‘sitting’ for some reason!

Guest

And Stanley would’ve been very disapproving of Trump!

Guest

Thanks for that piece on English ‘eccentricity’.

Kudos to the Brit democratic atmosphere to let the ‘eccentric’ thrive. He was simply ‘one’ man but nevertheless he could have and indeed did have ‘his say’. And that is in contrast to the magnified failure in VO’s land of what is occurring to all who want ‘their say’. It’s quite a bit muffled. In fact gravely stunted. Democracies aren’t really supposed to work that way. That is to shut off ‘minority’ points of view. I wish they can recall that runaway and apparently out of control train that has already left the station. It’s a speeder.

tappanch
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Fidesz has erased not only Nepszabadsag’s nol.hu archives, but its own past as well !

The website fidesz.hu was made unavailable on October 2nd, so we cannot confront Orban with his own past statements any longer.

http://hvg.hu/tudomany/20161002_fidesz_hu_oldal_nem_elerheto_facebook

Rigó Jancsi
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Fidesz is way too smart for this opposition.

tappanch
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tappanch
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Under the radar, corruption news , 2016-10-11

A.
Even the all-Fidesz “Constitutional Court” ruled that the sum of 267 BILLION forints that National Bank chairman Matolcsy secreted to his “foundations”, friends and lover is still public money.

Today, a mere government agency ruled that the utilization of this money is private matter.

http://www.vg.hu/penzugy/mnb-alapitvanyok-nem-kozbeszerzes-koteles-a-buda-palota-felujitasa-476530

B.
A new Fidesz law gives more agricultural land to the government, with the express aim to privatize it (into the hands of friends & family)

http://www.parlament.hu/irom40/10727/10727.pdf

tappanch
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Question:
How many votes took place in Orban’s rubber stamp Parliament within 23 minutes today?

Answer:
25, more than 1 / minute

Now I believe it is possible that the Socialists pushed the wrong button by accident at 2016.10.11.13:06:37

Votes:

2016.10.11.13:04:46 10727/9
2016.10.11.13:05:24 10727
2016.10.11.13:06:37 12450
2016.10.11.13:07:46 12178
2016.10.11.13:09:07 11231/6
2016.10.11.13:09:39 11231/8
2016.10.11.13:10:36 10540
2016.10.11.13:11:42 10915
2016.10.11.13:13:07 12180/7
2016.10.11.13:13:42 12180/9
2016.10.11.13:15:11 11232/5
2016.10.11.13:15:44 11232/7
2016.10.11.13:17:10 11907/5
2016.10.11.13:17:43 11907/7
2016.10.11.13:19:12 11901/6
2016.10.11.13:19:56 11901/6
2016.10.11.13:20:28 11901/9
2016.10.11.13:22:13 12176/8
2016.10.11.13:22:54 12176/8
2016.10.11.13:23:27 12176/11
2016.10.11.13:25:07 12177/3
2016.10.11.13:25:35 12177/4
2016.10.11.13:26:17 12177
2016.10.11.13:27:16 12065
2016.10.11.13:28:00 11023

Source:
parlament.hu

tappanch
Guest

“elections”, “Parliament”, the entire legal system are all just toys in the hands of an evil mind and his kleptocratic playmates.

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