A more fitting celebration of the 60th anniversary of ’56 in Washington

About a week ago I included a sentence about the reception Réka Szemerkényi, Hungarian Ambassador in Washington, was giving for the sixtieth anniversary of the outbreak of the October Revolution. I reported that to the best of my knowledge a number of important American officials serving in the White House, Congress, and State Department had declined the invitation over concerns about the alarming political developments in Hungary. In addition to their general concerns, they may well have also noticed the systematic falsification of Hungarian history, which includes the events of the ’56 uprising as well. Mária Schmidt, Viktor Orbán’s court historian who had already perverted the history of the Hungarian Holocaust, rewrote the history of the revolution for the anniversary. The result is a monstrosity that bears no resemblance to reality.

This assault on the revolution prompted a group of people in Washington to organize a gathering to celebrate the real events of sixty years ago. They chose not to celebrate with those who claim that executed Imre Nagy “died nicely but wasn’t a hero.” Yes, this is a direct quotation from the chief organizer of the anniversary, Mária Schmidt. Thomas Melia (who as deputy assistant secretary of state in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, had extensive dealings with Hungary), former Hungarian Ambassador to Washington András Simonyi, and Professor Charles Gati of Johns Hopkins University organized the event that took place last night. About forty people attended, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s national security adviser; Charles Kupchan, currently special assistant to the president and senior director for European affairs at the National Security Council; Damian Murphy, senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs and her husband, Robert Kagan, well-known author, columnist and foreign policy commentator; Hoyt Yee, deputy assistant secretary, Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs; André Goodfriend, chargé d’affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Budapest between August 2015 and January 2016;  Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor of the Washington Post, who writes many of the paper’s editorials on foreign affairs; and Pál Maléter, Jr. son of the minister of defense in the last Nagy government who was reburied along with Imre Nagy on June 16, 1989. Anthony Blinken, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State, couldn’t make it but sent his greetings.

Professor Gati briefly retold the story of the revolution, which is admittedly complex because the intellectual unrest that preceded it began as a factional struggle in the communist party between the Stalinists and the reformers but quickly led to a coalition government in which four parties were represented. This coalition government, which naturally included the communist party, decided to leave the Warsaw Pact. Gati emphasized that the revolution was “profoundly democratic—demanding freedom of the press and checks and balances (called ‘socialist legality’ )—and profoundly pro-Europe. These demands were at the top of the list presented by the students.”

One of the few pictures of members of the Nagy government: Zoltán Tildy, Imre Nagy, and Pál Maléter

One of the few pictures of members of the Nagy government: Zoltán Tildy, Imre Nagy, and Pál Maléter

Of course, we know that the Orbán regime’s narrative is very different: the revolution was transformed into an anti-communist crusade led by right-wing representatives of the pre-1945 period. Those intellectuals who were disillusioned communists were removed from the historical narrative prepared for the anniversary celebrations, as were social democrats and liberals. As if they never existed. They simply don’t fit into Orbán’s worldview.

Professor Gati then moved on to the situation in Hungary today and brought up the speeches of Péter Boross and László Kövér. “This Monday, the speaker of the Hungarian parliament blamed the United States not Moscow for crushing the revolution while another high official spoke of the heinous deeds of U.S. imperialism,” adding “I’m not making this up.” And, Gati continued: “Even in Washington, where Hungarian officials work hard to mislead us by praising transatlantic relations, on Sunday they somehow forgot to read Vice President Joe Biden’s message to their invited guests; I guess their feelings were hurt that they didn’t hear from President Obama.”

Gati told his personal story as a refugee after the revolution. “I came here penniless and was treated fantastically by everyone: the International Rescue Committee, Indiana University, and various employees of Columbia University, Johns Hopkins University, even the State Department.” He recalled that the quota for Hungarians (4,400) was quickly filled but that within days Congress was authorized to allow another 40,000 Hungarian refugees to come. He contrasted this behavior with the situation today. In Hungary they build a razor wire fence to keep refugees out and even in the United States some people contemplate building walls. “My hope is that the old spirit of generosity will guide us again someday soon. There is another Hungary there that deserves our attention and support,” he concluded. I think that every Hungarian refugee should join Charles Gati in remembering the generosity of Austrians, Germans, Brits, Swedes, Swiss, Canadians, Australians, and Americans in those days and feel profoundly sad at the behavior of the Hungarian government, which incited ordinary Hungarians against the refugees.

I should add that Anita Kőműves, a young journalist who used to work for Népszabadság, happened to be in Washington and was invited to speak. The applause that followed her words honored those journalists who paid for their bravery with their livelihood because Viktor Orbán doesn’t believe in a free press, one of the very first demands of the Hungarian students in 1956.

October 28, 2016
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Guest
London Calling! It’s good to see a kick back against Orban’s and Schmidt’s rewriting of history – and the reception of the Népszabadsag journalist. It’s good to see some Hungarians protesting at blatant falsehoods even though the events of October ’56 were chaotic and of necessity lacking focus and direction. This is one of the reasons the ‘cod’ historian Schmidt can get away with bending the truth – and why Hungarians accept without question Orban’s ‘act of heroism’ given such a prominence in the Terror Háza. It’s all so tacky and to this Westerner indicates just how the truth could be changed during communism – and during today’s Commocracy. I sometimes shudder when I contemplate the difference between propaganda and reality that people in Hungary suffer – but don’t realise. I put it on a par with North Korean defectors who take years to realise that they’ve been deceived and how deflated they must feel. The ground beneath their feet is no longer solid. It’s the more informed in Hungary that slowly chip away at the Orban Edifice of lies – and all his other cronies – that gives hope that one day the scales will fall from the electorate’s… Read more »
Orionpax
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I find hungarian fidesz supporters worse then trump supporters. These type of hungarian are always blaming Jews, Muslims, roma’s, refugees, leftist,liberal,homosexual, everyone who is not hungarian,straight and far right wing supporter. God, I hope romaniacs kick out all those szekely separatist scums with all their families deported to Hungary. I know for one that unlike geRomans, these type of hungarian feel no shame for hating on others who are different than them and take pride for killing innocent Jews and Romas. I can’t wait till Nato kick out Hungary and then I want to see these fascist hungarian fidesz ans jobbik try to take war against other nation. Only way they will learn when Nato as kick these fascist to 1945. And put all of fidesz and lackey in Hague.

Hungarian fascist forget that they got asskicked by Mongols, turks, Austrians, Romanians, Russian etc etc. These hungarian fascist need to remember that losing is hungarian trait and they need to shut the hell up and stay quite.
Hungary is third rate power and always will be.

Bowen
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You can even add ‘erdélyi román’ (Transylvanian Hungarians) to the mix. Some Hungarians are quite happy to hate anyone. These people must be so bitter and shrivelled inside.

Observer
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Bowen
Spot on – this is why the fidesz hate mongering resonates well with so many.
I have lived/worked in many places, the Hungarians are psychologically the most negative society, complexes included.
And once abroad, being Hungarian becomes an occupation for many.

petofi
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As I’ve said before…Orban gives Hungarians only one thing–the green flag to hate, and they’re more than satisfied with that!

Jean P.
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Did you know that “a filthy gypsy romanian jew” is called a string of epithets? Strings of epithets are mostly used positively such as “a plump, rosy-cheeked, wholesome, apple-faced young woman”.

webber
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You have quite a lot in common with Zyklon B. It’s just that the target of your hatred is different.

petofi
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webber–who made you the judge of one and all?

Member

You are a very sick person.

Orionpax
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Sorry for the typos. I prefer to write in my laptop. Unfortunately I had use my phone.

Guest

Re: ‘It’s the more informed in Hungary that slowly chip away at the Orban Edifice of lies – and all his other cronies – that gives hope that one day the scales will fall from the electorate’s eyes and Hungary can face the sun’

And there’s hope for the other reason that there are many on an impressive roster who defy and resist a self- serving interpretation and distorted view of history. One day perhaps the existence of integrity and its example will help to expose the chicanery and contradictory presentation of rulers ruling a state as their fiefdom and use it as their ‘Sherwood Forest’ the commons be damned. Others will then see how certain ‘narratives’ leak substance with analysis of facts. There has to be a limit on how the electorate could have the hood over their eyes. And it must be remembered owls even give a hoot…;-)…

Guest

It’s probably generally known on here that Zyklon B was the gas used in the Nazi Extermination camps and is a name that has stuck to the German manufacturers Siemens and Bosch ever since – not least because they have tried to perpetrate the trade name for other products.

In choosing the soubriquet this miscreant knows exactly what they are doing and it is a particularly vicious message.

exTor
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Ha fél olyan okos ez az [angol] SFB lenne az
átlag zsidónál, akkor kétszer okosabb lenne.

MAGYARKOZÓ

webber
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Your Hungarian looks like it came from Google translate.

exTor
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Ha fele olyan okos lenne mint az átlag
zsidó, akkor kétszer okosabb lenne.

Thanx for the headsup, webber.

Actually, my original version only had
one mistake, then I amended it,
somewhat complicating things.

My one mistake was having used ‘fél’
for ‘fele’. I consulted a native Magyar.

I’m sure you can do the math, webber.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Lutra lutra
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“Of course, we know that the Orbán regime’s narrative is very different: the revolution was transformed into an anti-communist crusade led by right-wing representatives of the pre-1945 period. ” That sounds like Fidesz subscribes to the “counter-revolution” interpretation of 1956 bandied about by MSZMP until 1989.

Surely that denigrates Fidesz rather than enabling them to latch onto the coat-tails of the revolt’s intellectual and political leaders, or have I over-estimated how much Hungarians know of their own history?

Orionpax
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Hungarian in Hungary is more ill informed about their history then their neighbours. After all they always moan about Treaty of Trianon, Propaganda reign supreme in that third class nation. Problem with that mafia state is that most of its population are ultra nationalist and fascist. That third class nation with crypto fascist government is imitating Serbia of milosevik era of 90s.

petofi
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Of course, you will remember herr Pyutin’s recent visit to Budapest when he had declared, in the midst of 56 remembrance, that the event was a “counter-revolution”. So, it seems to take about 1 year for the orders to filter down to Orban’s minions…

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with @postername to connect with the discussion thread instead of giving us all eye-strain in their haste to have the last word?

Istvan
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Eva did anyone from the American Hungarian Federation speak at this event or even attend?

Guest

That’s an impressive list of guests!

And the diversity of names …

At least that gives us hope that the USA know what’s going on in Hungary – even if the government has a lot of more important things to consider than those small unimportant Balkan countries …

PS:
I think that Eva should delete our latest Nazi troll! Enough is enough!

Observer
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Orionpax should watch his expressions too, I’m close to suggesting deletion.

webber
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I agree – and Eva, I hope you will delete it. That was a disgusting post, encouraging genocide (against Hungarians).

Ferenc
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Eva, I’m very curious from where the quote from ‘frau Schmidt’ is, you used in your article.

Member

Mrs Clinton will be elected in 10 days.

If she has to resign because of the e-mail scandal after the election, then Tim Kaine will become the president. Does he have any firm views on foreign policy issues, about supporting democracy abroad?

webber
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Please ask questions like this on a different blog – one about American politics. There are a lot of these.
If you ask questions about this sort of thing here, the irrelevancy factor of subsequent posts will exponentially increase. The irrelevancy factor is already rather high today.

Member

Have you seen the movie “Horton Hears a Who!” (2008) ? Or the book written by Dr Seuss? It is fantastic, at several levels, even theological.

You are like the Kangaroo:
“A type who’s convinced she knows better than you”

It is highly relevant for Hungary how much a US president cares about democracy in other countries.

webber
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I think it is a good question. I just think it is a good question for a blog on American politics (and I don’t know the answer).
I don’t think it is a good question for this blog.

Member

I feel like Horton, the elephant:

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webber
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Well so do I!

i-2016
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Tappanch, I hope with Petofi that many Americans will see the Clintons as greedy puppets. Who needs another Clinton?

Member

The Orban government silently reneged on its commitment to lower the social security & health care taxes on salaries.

http://hvg.hu/gazdasag/20161029_adocsomag_ngm_jarulek_tao

webber
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Index has translated an article into English about the Russian secret services’ infiltration of the Hungarian extreme right. Here:
http://index.hu/belfold/2016/10/28/russian_diplomats_exercised_with_hungarian_cop_killer_s_far-right_gang/

webber
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OT – “United Nations (United States) (AFP) – Russia on Friday failed to win re-election at the United Nations Human Rights Council in a vote rights groups said reflected international disapproval of Moscow’s involvement in the war in Syria.

The UN General Assembly elected Hungary and Croatia instead to represent eastern Europe at the 47-nation council, which monitors and investigates rights violations worldwide.

The outcome was an upset for Russia, which has been a member for all but one year since the council was set up in 2006.

Asked about the defeat, Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin quipped: “We need a break.”

“Croatia and Hungary fortunately, because of their size, they are not as exposed to the winds of international diplomacy. Russia is quite exposed,” he said.”

Now why do I think that Russia now has TWO votes on the council, whereas it used to have just one?

egon rump
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It’s unbelievable. Clinton is over and the FBI is killing her. The Democratic campaign is imploding thanks to Anthony Weiner. Who knew this moron will be the proximate cause of Trump’s victory?

In 2000 it was the SCOTUS now it’s the FBI. Trump says this is the biggest thing since Watergate. The next 10 days will be about the investigation and nothing else. 24/7. You can’t seriously vote for a candidate who’s under investigation. Basically the FBI says Clinton’s a potential criminal. She isn’t clean. Luckily this couldn’t happen with Orban, Putin or the Chinese. Maybe the American system is failing.

Chances are she will be exonerated in late December so she may even get an invitation to President Trump’s inauguration. It seems Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin were right betting on Trump after all.

webber
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“luckily”?

webber
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Member

“Luckily this couldn’t happen with Orban”

Luckily, the US is still a democracy. Unfortunately, Hungary is not. Here government members (Orban, Togan, Lazar, Matolcsy etc) can lie & steal incessantly . Pol Pot protects them. In return, Pol Pot & wife gets huge remuneration from the “cut”.

This is very “unlucky” for Hungary.

pappp
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Yes and no. It is ridiculous that the FBI can influence an election just days before the election based on some totally tangential issue. Something’s wrong with the system if this can happen. Now the FBI will really have to find something, anything, otherwise it will be blamed for handing the presidency over to Trump without any basis. It cannot be accepted politically that it changed the course of history (basically killing a sure Clinton presidency) for nothing. So I actually think FBI will find something, there’s no other option. Though of course the Republicans will reward a few people at FBI so I guess Comey and his underlings aren’t worried too much. There’s been no other major story in the last week or so (the sexual assault thing fizzled), this will be the story. It’s all circumstantial, assumptions, speculation but it’s more than enough to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s on New York Times in 24 point font size, Twitter exploded and the media will make a huge issue about it – not necessarily because of the seriousness of the potential crime but because of the historic chance of losing a slam dunk presidency against an insane and corrupt… Read more »
Istvan
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Good attmpet Webber from this discussion exploding on Eva’s blog, well she is after all a US citizen as am I and other readers on HS, so here we go. We will see very shortly what the actual Trump vote will be even with the FBI admission that some of Sec Clinton’s emails appear on the very computer her aide’s sex criminal husband used to commit possible crimes. Is former Rep Anthony Weiner or Trump the greater degenerate? I would see it as a toss up, as do many of us here. Do many of us want to see either Weiner or Trump elected to high public office, I suspect not. But Trump is running, not Weiner or top Clinton aide Huma Abedin, so I vote no on Trump. Hungarian citizens can just wait and see what happens, as a US citizen I for one have early voted for Clinton and do not regret it. I also voted for many Republicans for other offices. We will all find out soon enough the results of all of this. Does Ms Clinton periodically lie, oh yes she does, does Trump lie – yes habitually. Does Orban lie, yes habitually. Given the low… Read more »
webber
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Fealty has to go both ways. From subordinates to officers, and from officers to the troops. If officers dump a subordinate merely because s/he has troubles in his/her personal life (troubles s/he cannot have prevented), other subordinates will know not to trust that officer and will not back the officer up when s/he is facing his/her own troubles – and troubles will come, sooner or later, to all of us.

Guest

Thanks, Istvan, for those clear words!

Whatever stupid things Hillary may have done – or “permitted” others to do, they just don’t compare with Trump’s crazy activities and”juvenile” (to put it mildly …) behaviour!

And we all know that sometimes good women marry crazy guys – or the other way round!

petofi
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@wolfi7777

I suggest you read the Paglia interview in The Spectator; or, perhaps,
the comments of former governor Sununu about Hillary.

Guest

Sununu also once:
Sununu blasted Trump during a Monday interview with Bloomberg’s With All Due Respect, calling the front-runner “dumb” and saying he threatens to “ruin the Republican Party.”
So what?

He now prefers a dumb blonde to an intelligent woman?
And this from a man who claims to have an IQ of > 160 …

Member

Istvan,

What is your take on Tim Kaine (in case Hillary has to resign after a winning election) ?

petofi
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@ tappanch

re Tim Kaine

Milquetost. And picked by the Hillary for that very reason.

Istvan
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Maine seems to put it simply is under the radar. For weeks at a time you never even saw him on the talk show circuit during this campaign.

Istvan
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S/b Kaine – auto correct takes control

webber
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One thing seems sure – there is going to be an overhaul of the FBI at some point after the elections. Both parties are outraged (for different reasons) by Comey’s behavior. By all accounts, he has repeatedly violated standards for procedure. Both sides of the aisle agree on that. High time, too. There is a loose cannon here.

webber
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(we are really seriously off topic now – but I, too, am an offender).

Guest
I really can’t see that Hillary Clinton’s transgressions are anywhere near as serious as the unstable, thick, criminally groping Trump. Before you get ready to give me all the secret secret stuff – hear me out. You’ve all seen too much tinker, tailor, soldier, spy stuff. When IT systems are 100% secure – they are 100% unusable. If a network administrator can’t come up with a useable system which is practical and secure, then it is the administrator’s fault not the user. Don’t rush for the android stylus yet. Anybody who has worked in an industry requiring ultra secure access will know that having two PC’s, two phones and two briefcases requires resource management that is extremely cumbersome – which of itself is a security risk. It is extremely difficult to manage from a day to day practical point if view. Stay the stylus a little longer! Telling the President (Obama) that he can’t use his own Blackberry and restricting his access even to the government systems – the President! – is a woeful failure of the IT environment. With RSA encryption, and better algorithms, everything should be possible. Keep reading. I have had access – the highest access –… Read more »
Guest

Thanks, Charlie! Totally agree with you re IT – and of course re Clinton/Trump!

petofi
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I, too, were on Hillary against Trump for a long time, but I now agree that what’s really at play is the destruction of the behind-the-scenes power structure of both parties that have picked the president for far too long.
A Trump perisdency will bring that all down (that is, if they don’t ) him in the first 6 months…)

petofi
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correction: ” that is, if they don’t kill him in the first 6 months…”

PALIKA
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Maybe she is not. The FBI investigation originally cleared her. So, that is not the object of criticism.
Now they investigate again. Maybe they will clear her again.
The timing is unfortunate because of the closeness of the election. If the FBI have to investigate the closeness of the election is immaterial. Her problem, as stated, is that this is her of own making.
Bernie was pushed out by the Clinton friendly Democratic Party Establishment. He does not have server problems neither toxic personality issues. With Bernie as the candidate you would not be worrying about Trump.

petofi
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I have come to see Hillary as the greater evil. There is hope that Trump may reform–people ‘rise’ in office of the presidency–but there’s no such hope for Hillary. She is a hater. She hates Bill and only stuck with him because of her over-riding ambition. Bill would’ve left her if the baby Chelsea hadn’t arrived just in time. Note that Hillary, once tying Billy to her, never tried for any more children.

In Hillary, I see no humility (sickeningly nodding her head as Michelle Obama listed her positive traits); no altruism (who would charge $300-400,000 per speech at universities?) ; and no measure of decency.
If she had a bone of civility, after the first $2 million earned in speeches, she could’ve donated later fees to various needy areas like schools and inner cities.

No, Hiller is totally toxic. I am surprised that Michelle would go to bat for her but supporting the Dem party must mean a lot.

Of course, the first female President should be Michelle Obama and not
Hillary-Billary…

webber
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Trump is 70. The only “rising” I expect him to do is getting out of bed every morning. At that age, people don’t change.

webber
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P.S. How much do you want to bet that the universities made more from her speeches and dinners than she charged?
A friend of mine was involved with something similar – not with Clinton – and the university netted roughly $1 m. from the event. That is the profit they made after they paid the speaker his exorbitant fee.

Guest

Petofi! I’m afraid you haven’t made the case for Hillary not holding high office – she is experienced.

Bill presided over a very successful period when the economy was thriving. He will be in the background

She is not a criminal.

Who wouldn’t monetise her experience if they were her?

You over-estimate Trump-Fart – who hasn’t the intelligence of a gnat – and IS a criminal.

She is the best available option.

Guest

Petofi, come on!

have you looked at the people behind/besides Trump? Just take Pence – some of the things this guy says (and thinks) make me shudder!

His “Christians” positions re the rights of women, LGBT etc – unbelievable. Back to the Middle Ages!

And why did he make Bannon from breitbart.com (You’ve heard of them?) make his advisor?

petofi
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No doubt you’re right, wolfi. I’m just sickened by the whole thing, especially the part where the rightful winner of the Democratic primary–Bernie Sanders–was railroaded. Sanders would destroy both these jokers.

webber
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But Sanders wasn’t the “rightful winner” He lost. Again, look up the popular vote. I’ve already pasted it here for you to see for yourself. He got fewer votes in the primaries than Clinton.
The story that Sanders actually won is a Russian plant. And there are other such stories that you used to push here.
I know you are not Russian, but don’t understand why you suck up that propaganda about Clinton. I guess it’s because it fits your taste – you don’t like her, and so want to believe the worst.

PALIKA
Guest

Unfortunately you seem to have taken off but should try to come back down to earth. I do not think there is much doubt the Clintons rigged the vote against Bernie.

The director of the FBI is not a Russian agent. He is just a guy who is in a difficult position because his judgment to get the witch jailed has been over ruled by an Attorney General who is a political alliy of the suspect.

The FBI has been riddled with resignations on a scale that puts its operational abilities in question. It may all seem rather black and white in Buadapest but HC should just go and look after her grand child.

Guest

get the witch jailed

Now you made my day!

Witchhunts which usually ended in killing the “nasty woman” were common in the USA a few hundred years ago – and of course in Europe too.

So you want (like Trump and O and Erdogan and Putin …) to take us back to the Middle Ages?

I have to agree with Charlie now – you are a lunatic!

PS and OT:

here’s a “nasty woman” for you – wonder what she’d do to you …
https://kirangandhi.com/author/kirangandhi21/
She’s a feminist and a musician and she ran the London Marathon while she had her period …

webber
Guest

You “don’t think there is much doubt the Clintons rigged the vote against Bernie”
Paranoid delusional, or Russian agent. Possibly all three.
Not English, not American (by your own admission) def. not Hungarian (you botched that too), and certainly not German (horrible misspellings in German). We’ve established that already.

PALIKA
Guest

I did not see this until just now. I am entirely in agreement. She is totally toxic.
Nepszava reports today that the Clinton palace construction which is on a mega scale went ahead without permission being even sought. This is the same arrogance as her private email server which she knew was contrary to the rules. The Clintons believe they can just ignore the rules they do not like.
Of course they do not like the latest FBI stuff. Who knows what impact it might have? Whoever wins it heralds troubled times ahead. If she does not win, she has only herself to blame. If she had kept to the rules on servers there would have been no FBI enquiry to reopen in the last ten days of the campaign.
She knows she is deep trouble. I have watched her twice last week on CNN. They showed us an old lady far from glowing in confidence. Nodding away as she listened to Mrs Obama’s rescue attempt speech. She is clearly tired. Probably sick.

Guest

” Clinton palace ”

OMG – repeating that propaganda sh*t?

There’s only one thing worse than a liar – that’s a stupid liar, who is found out immediately …

PS:

Here’s another funny one for you gullibles:

http://www.snopes.com/wikileaks-clintons-purchase-200-million-maldives-estate/

Observer
Guest

Petofi
“Hillary hater, ..greater evil… toxic.. ”

WTF are u talking about?
Hollow BS slogans from the hate/negative campaign scripts of Finkelstein & co.
You don’t know much about politics it seems, otherwise you would appreciate the moderating role of the political organizations, or “power structures” as u call them.
Unless you want to see “rivers of blood” in a revolution , as the namesake poet.

Trump is a hoax, a salesman of the Trump brand, nothing more and HE IS TOXIC in politics.

Observer
Guest

BS. Look at the polls.
BTW Orban has bet on the wrong horse in all international events. Can’t see the world from Felcsut.

i-2016
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I heard an inteview with Michael Doran, who wrote a new book titled Ike’s Gamble.

Nasser was a deplorable tool of the “Active Measures”

Unfortunately, this dull guy managed to dupe the American president.

Also. put Egypt on a suicide path.

Russia has used, abused, and discarded Egypt, when had no nore use for it.

Hungary is just the same. Used, abused, discarded.

webber
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Since we are so seriously off topic anyway: I hope the DIA now sends the Senate a note informing Senators that they have opened an investigation into the possibility that FBI head Comey is a Russian agent.

mongoose
Guest

He may or may not be. But some of his underlings are for sure KGB or GRU. Robert Hanssen was also FBI. Surely the FBI has many Russian agents as we speak. There are some nice stories in the Israeli Mitrohin files. If the Russians infiltrated the Israeli intelligence community so thoroughly then they must have done that with the FBI too. There’s no question about that in my mind. But whatever the case the national security establishment failed again. This story and especially its timing is just mind-boggling. I’m hard pressed to think about any similar election-related case in the 20th century anywhere in the Western world.

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Think Hungary then, if considered western . Most memorable was the subpoena served to Gyula Molnar with cameras running, two weeks before elections. It was P. Polt of course.

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