A Christian Democratic politician’s illicit affair with a minor

Journalists from local papers often uncover important pieces of political news that would otherwise never be reported in the larger nationwide papers and internet sites. The County of Vas is lucky in this respect because nyugat.hu is an independent paper, unlike most of the regional papers recently acquired by Lőrinc Mészáros, the alter ego of Viktor Orbán. “Nyugat” in Hungarian means “West,” both as a geographic term and as a metaphor, standing for enlightenment.

When news reached nyugat.hu that Ferenc Szabó (KDNP), the deputy mayor of Körmend, had resigned, the paper’s journalists figured that something dramatic must have happened because Szabó has been deputy mayor of the town of 10,000 for the last 19 years. Szabó’s explanation for his departure was a desire to spend more time on his “research.” Nyugat.hu carried a short article about the resignation and Szabó’s stated reason for stepping down but ended with “we will return to the matter later.”

And indeed they did. The next day nyugat.hu revealed the real reason for the resignation. The parents of a 16-year-old girl, currently enrolled in grade 10 in the local gymnasium, had filed charges against Szabó. They claimed he had had an illicit sexual relationship with their daughter when she was Szabó’s student either in grade 7 or 8–that is, under the age of 16. In brief, they charged him with statutory rape. As it turned out, the people of Körmend had been whispering about the 56-year-old teacher’s affair with his former student and they even complained to members of the city council. But the Fidesz-KDNP-majority city council was reluctant to move until the parents themselves filed a complaint with the police. By the end of January, they convinced Szabó to resign, but they didn’t insist on his total removal from the body. He resigned as deputy mayor but kept his seat on the council as an independent.

Ferenc Eőry Szabó

The weak opposition in Körmend is up in arms. Jobbik demanded his dismissal from the Körmend Council and called on the Fidesz mayor to make the information about the reason for Szabó’s resignation public. MSZP’s Körmend organization demanded the same. A civic organization called “Pro Körmend,” which actually has a member on the city council, claimed that Szabó’s “proclivity” for sexual advances toward his young female students had been known for years in the school. They wanted to know why the principal had done nothing. They also accused the Fidesz mayor who, according to them, tried to hush up the scandal.

There is good reason for these complaints because the parents apparently first approached the school principal and the mayor but didn’t receive any assistance or encouragement. So, at the end of January, they decided to go to the police and file a complaint.

ATV approached the Szombathely center of the infamous Klebelsberg Intézményfenntartó Központ (KLIK), which is supposed to be in charge of the elementary school where Szabó was and still is a teacher. The head of the center told the television station that he had received “no written complaint” from the institution, which begged the question as to whether KLIK had gotten verbal information from the school. And indeed, the center did hear from the school, but “at first the center looked upon the complaint as a simple political affair.” After a few days of thinking, the leader of the center suggested a face-to-face meeting between Szabó and the parents and the child, which I don’t believe took place.

Meanwhile the national leaders of KDNP–Zsolt Semjén, chairman, and Péter Harrach, head of KDNP’s parliamentary delegation–promised that Szabó will be expelled from the party if he is found guilty of the charge. For the time being, it seems that the party would be happy if Szabó took the initiative, if he resigned and quietly disappeared.

In order to understand Ferenc Szabó’s prominence in Körmend over and above his political activities, spanning the period between 1994 and 2017, it is important to dig into those “research activities” he quoted as the reason for his resignation. As soon as I read that Szabó’s “field of expertise” is “őstörténet” (prehistory), I knew that he had to be one of those people who propound outlandish and singularly unscientific theories about the history of humankind in the period before recorded history. There are, of course, linguists and archaeologists who can offer some hypotheses about, let’s say, the movements of Hungarian tribes along the steppes of Eurasia, but these people’s assumptions are based on scientific evidence. By contrast, there is a whole network of self-styled prehistory researchers, whom I consider to be the lunatic fringe. Szabó is one of them.

When it comes to Szabó’s theories, nyugat.hu politely called them “rather strange.” Among other things, he believes that “Hungarians are an entirely different species.” And that is just the beginning of the madness. He believes that we might be “cosmic beings.”

Ferenc Eőry Szabó, the embellished name he assumed for his research, along with some other prehistory hobbyists, established the Körmendi Kulturális Műhely (Cultural Workshop of Körmend), which hosts meetings featuring similar “prehistory researchers” and makes the videos available on the internet. The workshop also publishes books. Eőry Szabó was one of the authors of Szkíták—Hunok–Magyarok. The book’s blurb claims that anyone reading this book will be convinced that Hungarians are the ancestors of mankind. “The Bible is right. In the past there was only one language and one nation,” which was of course Hungarian.

Eőry Szabó also organizes conferences, one of which was on János Móricz, who was born in Körmend in 1923. Móricz allegedly discovered an Indian tribe in Ecuador whose members “could converse with Móricz in Hungarian.” One of the participants in this conference was Eőry Szabó’s “fellow researcher” Ágnes Purisaca Golenya. She was born Ágnes Golenya in Miskolc but received her second family name from the Indian Purisaca family in northern Peru. Her “famous” book is The Children of Blue Blood, “who are humans, living on earth, who belong to the system of Sirius headed by Mother Isis.” Just to give you an idea of Purisaca Golenya’s linguistic expertise, she even managed to prove that the name Sylvester can be explained by an Indian language spoken in Ecuador (Szilveszter = Sili-Us-Ter).

I’ve linked to the video of Purisaca Golenya’s lecture on “From Sirius to the Carpathian Basin.” But there are at least half a dozen such lectures available online from the series of lectures Szabó organized in Körmend.

One can only hope that he leaves his so-called expertise on prehistory outside the classroom, but I somehow doubt it. He is dead serious about all this stuff. He believes that “history must be reformed,” as he put it in his introduction to one of the lectures, so I can’t believe that he doesn’t spread the gospel even in school. His removal from his teaching position is therefore doubly justified.

February 9, 2017
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“There is good reason for these complaints because the parents apparently first approached the school principal and the mayor but didn’t receive any assistance or encouragement”

Yes, of course. The alleged paedophile was a *Christian* and a good Hungarian patriot to boot. .

And, of course, the media, with a very few honourable exceptions, will not cover alleged child abuse when it is one of their own

Similarly the horrifying level of domestic violence suffered by Hungarian women and children is not worthy of comment in the Orbanist Utopia. One can only imagine their reaction if an immigrant had committed the same crimes

This is the sick country which we have allowed Orban to create.

Member

Körmend… Remember what happened there last year? Somebody claimed that men from the local refugee camp had gathered behind the window of a school sports hall to stare at schoolgirls playing handball, rumours had it that one of those men had broken the window and even that the girls had been harassed. Minister Pintér was going to take some immediate measures against violence and harassment at once (“Körmend shall not become Cologne”), and then, suddenly, the police told everybody to calm down: the window had broken but nobody knew how or by whom, no suspect people had been sighted, the girls had been sent home because the window was broken but there had been no harassment, not even a lusty gaze… (http://hvg.hu/itthon/20160505_rendorseg_kormend_lazar) Of course, this didn’t stop the local Jobbik sympathizers from organizing a demonstration against the refugee camp (http://hvg.hu/itthon/20160507_jobbik_atv_menekulttabor_kormend).
So, it’s mass hysteria if foreign men have supposedly stared at Hungarian schoolgirls. But a Hungarian teacher, a good patriot, really sexually abusing a schoolgirl…

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It’s not a typical Hungarian problem but a “Christian” fact – did you read that at least 10% (maybe even 20%!) of the Australian Catholic priests are pedophiles? And that of course means much more than just a sexual relation to a pubescent girl – rape of smaller children, boys and girls … And another example: Around 2010 it was found out that the US Jesuits sent known pedophiles into Inuit settlements in Alaska – because they knew that the Inuit wouldn’t complain … And when courts ruled that the victims should get millions of $s – the Catholic church tried to evade this by declaring bankruptcy in the US – this only stopped when the lawyers/judges said: OK, then we’ll take possession of your churches and sell them to the highest bidder … Btw this guy’s face reminds n´me of our “head Christian politician” in Germany, Bavaria’s Seehofer, who is against homosexual marriage – because every child needs a mother and a father … Well, he got his secretary in Berlin pregnant and then went back to his wife in Bavaria – so what about that child raised in Berlin. All of these lunatics are perfect examples for the… Read more »
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About christians:
I don’t want to insult anybody here.
But if I see which people claim to be christians – and that is not only Orbán, Seehofer and the like, but also e.g. the average catholic churchgoer in Germany – I really get sick.

I read once in the new testament; most of the writings from the different disciples tell the same stories about Jesus. And the stories about Jesus are really not difficult to undestand:
Jesus was really good. He cared for the poor, the ill, the outsiders. Love and empathy was his message. He was not corrupt either.
Jesus is Christ.

I simply cannot figure out, why people like Donald the Dumb are visiting church on Sundays.
Why are these people call themselfs christians? If they at least were a little bit humble and ashamed of their sins.

I’m not christian and I would never call me that, not at least to avoid to be in company with those mentioned above.

These religions and the psyche of the people, who belong to them, are a great miracle to me (Islamist killers of course included) (Pope Francis excluded).

bimbi
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This, surely, is not a difficult case. If the facts support charges against the teacher – and that appears to be the case – he should be brought to trial and if found guilty of sexual relations with a minor be punished as the law prescribes. Notwithstanding the diversionary comments of Petofi on this blog three days ago, such activities often leave the victim traumatized and damaged and must be acted upon seriously and speedily.

Herein lies the problem for the corrupted Hungarian judicial system, currently Fidesz-controlled, will surely do all in its power to delay and eventually exonerate “one of their own”, once again underscoring the sickness that typifies government in Hungary today.

Let us follow the “progress”. Here surely is a test case for the prosecutorial authorities.

Member

So, was it the original Magyar tribes who were cosmic, or the ones who are alive today? Has our cosmic blood been polluted by the Slav and German hordes who subjugated us to terror over the centuries? And if I am half cosmic (only my dad is Hungarian), can I still use any special powers?

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” Has our cosmic blood been polluted by the Slav and German hordes who subjugated us to terror over the centuries? ”

In fact there is an esoteric circle of pure blooded Magyar females who descent from Álmos’s maternal grandmother solely by parthenogenesis.

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Got a phone number?

webber
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Eva, that was the most eloquent illustration of the use and necessity of a free press.

OT Trump has got a large slap from the Federal Appeals Court, where every one of his arguments was rejected. Most importantly, all three judges agreed that Presidential orders can be challenged and overturned. The White House was arguing that they cannot. If nothing else, that is proof that Trump imagines the President to be a sort of dictator who is elected every four years. What a rude awakening for him…

webber
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A real victory for checks and balances. Here is a summary and quote from the judges’ decision from The Washington Post:
–The three judges think that they are well within their rights to check the president’s authority on matters of immigration and national security, and the government’s suggestion to the contrary is undemocratic.

“Instead, the Government has taken the position that the President’s decisions about immigration policy, particularly when motivated by national security concerns, are unreviewable, even if those actions potentially contravene constitutional rights and protections. The Government indeed asserts that it violates separation of powers for the judiciary to entertain a constitutional challenge to executive actions such as this one. There is no precedent to support this claimed unreviewability, which runs contrary to the fundamental structure of our constitutional democracy.”

bimbi
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@Webber 6:21 a.m.

Oh, so eloquent. But what on earth do these comments have to do with the topic in hand – “A Christian Democratic Politician’s Illicit Affair with a Minor”? And not content with that you then have to comment on your own comment! Gosh, you are really interesting…

webber
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bimbi
I wrote OT, which means off topic, fyi.
Apparently you’re still angry about my comments about Gyurcsány. Tough luck.
Szállj le rólam.

bimbi
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@ webber 7:19 a.m.

My objection is simply that you chose to write more crap about Trump rather than address the topic in hand. On a matter so serious, please, next time, stay on topic or don’t write anything, OK. Promise?

webber
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Just don’t read what doesn’t interest you. Kay?

petofi
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Stop it, Bimbi.
And Trump is not a serious topic?
The world hangs on a thread with
a myopic, delusional, narcissist in power bent on deconstructing 130 years of institutional development.
Get a grip on yourself…

petofi
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correction: 230 years of institutional development..

bimbi
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@ petofi 10:40 a.m.

Comments on Trump have their place but not in the discussion of a high school teacher in Hungary allegedly having sexual relations with one of his pupils. Webber and you would be better addressing your comments to the NYT where Trump is an ongoing topic of debate.

petofi
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Sorry, bimbo, but intelligent conversation is admissable anywhere.

petofi
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“…rude awakening…” –Not quite. Trump will challenge in the supreme court once his choice is approved. New math.

webber
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Can’t do it – he has a deadline to file an appeal, and the Supreme Court will have to deal with it quickly (rules of the game). IF he files an appeal with the Supreme Court, as he said he would, it will get to the court before his candidate for the empty chair has been approved (that takes a lot of time, you see – again, rules of the game).
The Washington Post has a nice summary on this.
And anyway, who says the conservative members of the court are against judicial checks and balances? So far, they’ve upheld them.

webber
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But I will say, petofi, that almost all analysts agree that what you’ve suggested is precisely what Trump would like to do. It’s just that he can’t – and he can’t count on other conservatives on the court to uphold his bizarre royal understanding of the Presidency. It’s the first time he’s headed an organization in which underlings can and do say “no,” and he doesn’t like it one bit.

pappp
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OT: as I remember you said Trump will be impeached.

“Here’s how GOP Senators voted on Trump’s nominees: YES – 412 NO – 3”

Despite the media bullshit the GOP is more disciplined and united than ever. There’s some posturing of course but when the votes are needed the Republicans deliver.

webber
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pappp
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webber: please check the voting record once again (l linked below).

FYI: the red cross indicates a no vote (I don’t even see four no votes only three, Sens. Collins and Murkowski against DeVos, and Sen. Paul against Pompeo, with one real abstaining Sen. McConnell re Chao which may be interpreted politically as a no; Sen. Strange is serving only since Feb 9 so he couldn’t cast a vote before that).

https://cabinetvotes.org/rep

There won’t be any impeachment in a hundred years. Republicans know their interests. I think it is you who continues to live in a dreamworld.

webber
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Pappp – I don’t know where you got your numbers. They are silly.

Have you looked at what happened to Betsy DeVos, Trump’s candidate for Sec. of Education?
I quote:
“the Senate confirmed Betsy DeVos as President Trump’s education secretary, 51-50. Vice President Pence had to cast an unprecedented tie-breaking vote (….) after angry constituents swamped Senate offices with 1.5 million calls a day; after two Republican senators defected; and Democrats held the floor overnight in protest.”

The VP had to break the tie, because some Republicans voted against DeVos. While the VP breaking a tie is not unheard of, this has never happened before in the history of approving a cabinet appointee.

So where’s your Republican discipline?

webber
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Observer
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When I, rarely, converse socially with Fidesz sympathisers, I’m amazed by their blindness or hypocrisy as they have the gall to waffle about morals and Christianity.

This case is a particularly disgusting one, when a learned teacher and a public figure commits such crimes and the respective organisations are so servile as to cover up a crime.
Orbanistan par excellence.

Observer
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And who knows how many other girls were traumatized, abused or stat. raped, because such things don’t happen all of a sudden.

webber
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More victims will surely come forward, unless the perpetrator is able to make life hell for the victim’s family. I would bet that many people in Körmend are afraid of him.

Istvan
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To my knowledge there is no movement in Hungary comparable to SNAP Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests in the USA, and other countries like Poland. I and other practicing Catholics here in Chicago have supported SNAP financially for years. If you have watched the film Spotlight you can see what an important role SNAP members played in exposing sex abuse within the Catholic Church in Boston. Reading stories about abuse with Catholic schools and the church is one thing, but for Catholics to do something is altogether another thing. We have known this has been happening for hundreds of years and some Catholics progressives believe the enforcement of celibacy in the Church has in part driven this. We know that Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men. The New Testament implies that women presided at eucharistic meals in the early church. We know that it was not until 385 AD that Pope Siricius left his wife in order to become pope. He decreed that priests may no longer sleep with their wives. Clerical celibacy did not become the enforcednorm until Second Lateran Council in 1139. Possibly Eva could… Read more »
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This really is an abomination – I just read somewhere that more than 10% of Catholic priests in Australia are accused of pedophile activities.

Many years ago we had a joke:
What’s the difference between a progressive Catholic priest and a conservative one?

The progressive has a girlfriend (which I wouldn’t mind at all – if he cares for her and his children) while the conservative has his altar boys …

Istvan
Guest

There were similar jokes amongst Catholics here until the extent of the pedophilia within the Church became undeniable. Now it’s a frightening reality. Of course it also exists in secular schools in the USA, the power of a teacher over a student is significant and that power can be manipulated.

Even in the US Army that power dynamic has led to abuse of young women recruits and possibly men too by those of higher rank and fortunately it has led now more and to court martials. Let up hope that the likely serial abuser President Trump does not reverse some of the progress that has been made in the Army in the name of opposing “excessive political correctness.”

Member

Istvan: “Possibly Eva could explore why Hungarian Catholics seem to be largely in denial about the reality of sex abuse within the Church and so many other Catholics across the world are beginning to confront this horrendous reality.”

The answer is: Hungary is walking the other direction towards the good old past

The good old times
– when political correctness was unknown
– when it was normal for a good christ to beat wife and children
– when the jews could be sent to Auschwitz
– when there was no annoying waffle about liberal democracy
– when dictatorships were booming
– when there were real tough wars

And no stupid, peace loving ‘Gutmenschen’ all over the place.

When You could still be a real MAN…

Member

The age of consent in Hungary is not 16 to 18 like in the US, but 14 ! Therefore the girl must have been under 14 when the “Christian” politician started his sexual relationship with her.

Member

Age of consent.

Europe:

14: Austria, Hungary, Serbia; Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, etc
15: Croatia, Slovakia, Romania, Slovenia; Greece, Czechia, France etc
16: Ukraine; UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Russia, Switzerland etc.
17: Ireland

US:
16: Pennsylvania, Ohio, South Carolina, etc.
17: New York, Illinois, etc.
18: Florida, California, Virginia, etc.

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Age of consent is 17 in Texas.

http://www.ageofconsent.us/

Guest

Yes, tappanch, the age of consent is low – but in Germany e g we have additional rules about relations between an adult and a “dependent” like a pupil. If a teacher has a sexual relationship with a pupil of 17 years he’ll still be prosecuted!

bimbi
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@wolfi7777 9:13

You are certainly quite correct – for Germany, but the case must be heard (if at all!) in Hungary – or will it just slide, like so much else, into the fetid pool of Hungary’s cases from “yesterday”? I wonder if KLIK has a policy stance on this issue?

Observer
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For those who understand Hungarian and are curious about the loony fringe of self-aggrandizing cum mystification this video is a gem. You can’t make these things up in your wildest attempts.

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