Does (government?) fiction portend trouble for Pintér?

Don’t expect anything even remotely resembling a coherent post today. I’m covering what is likely a fabricated allegation on the off chance that it, or a spin-off of it, morphs into something significant.

Pesti Srácok was the first internet news site to break the story, which spread like wildfire online. In it we learned that “a dreaded character of night life was sent to discredit Sándor Pintér.” A former national security officer gone rogue, Róbert Jakubinyi, wanted to use György Tanyi, who was arrested in 2012 for having allegedly attempted murder in 1996, to carry out a character assassination of the minister of interior. Tanyi is currently under house arrest.

The story was incredibly muddled. Jakubinyi allegedly paid a visit to Tanyi’s lawyer, trying to get her to cooperate with him in his attempt to have compromising documents about Minister of Interior Sándor Pintér smuggled out of the country. He wanted her to convince Tanyi to violate his house arrest and leave the country, taking along the compromising documents, which, by the way, the police claims were fake. But not even threats and a 20 million forint bribe changed her mind.

György Tanyi was a suspect in a 1996 case involving a driver at a trotting course. I wrote at some length about the case in October 2013. He and his two brothers were never even accused of the crime because a police investigation determined that although the bullets were fired from a gun similar in caliber and make to a gun owned by the brothers, they were not fired from the Tanyi brothers’ weapon. The suspicion has lingered ever since that Sándor Pintér, chief of the national police force at the time, was in some way involved. There was talk that Pintér was the one who replaced the Tanyi brothers’ gun to save their skins. It didn’t help Pintér’s case that he first denied having been on the scene, which later proved to be wrong. Whatever the real facts, it is strange that Tanyi was arrested only 16 years later.

Pesti Srácok also reported that the intelligence community suspects that foreign agents or foreign services are behind Jakubinyi’s undertaking. He is also accused of gathering information on important Fidesz politicians, especially on Viktor Orbán. For example, he wanted to learn whether Orbán reported to the internal security forces while studying in Great Britain at the end of 1989. Pesti Srácok seemed to know that Jakubinyi was passing on information about Fidesz to MSZP politicians during the 2010 election campaign.

Pesti Srácok and subsequently other government media outlets, like Magyar Idők and 888.hu, related this cockeyed story as fact. Válasz, on the other hand, a conservative but by and large pro-government publication, couldn’t quite swallow what on the face of it seemed to be sheer nonsense. The Válasz reporter who covered the story found it incredible. Some obvious questions presented themselves off the bat. Why was it necessary to use a fugitive from justice to smuggle out fake documents? Why was it necessary to physically cross borders with these documents when, in our digital world, the task could be accomplished with a few clicks on a laptop? Válasz found the story “strongly reminiscent of the 1950s.” What is behind this whole thing? the journalist asked. Is it possible that the government expects some revealing article from abroad on Pintér’s corruption and wants to prepare the ground for it?

With each passing day the government media further embellished the story. Magyar Idők reported on March 18 that there was a likelihood that “the character assassination of government members may continue and the prime minister himself might also be a target.” The National Defense Service (Nemzeti Védelmi Szolgálat) gathered enough evidence for the Buda Central District Court (Budai Központi Kerületi Bíróság/BKKB) to order Jakubinyi’s pre-trial detention.

From this Magyar Idők article we learned something that may shed light on the rationale for this story. In justifying its pre-trial detention of Tanyi, BKKB stated that “the investigation began only a month ago, and it required a very broad investigative effort.” Let me remind everybody that Átlátszó published key passages from Jürgen Roth’s Schmutzige Demokratie, in which Dietmar Clodo described Semion Mogilevich’s alleged bribery of both Sándor Pintér and Viktor Orbán. I would find it very strange if the current case against Jakubinyi had nothing to do with Roth’s Clodo story. I covered the story on February 5, 2017. Antónia Rádi of Átlátszó, who initially broke the story in 2013, also wrote an article titled “Do the Mafiosos attack or defend the minister of justice?” It is a very complicated story, but Rádi seems to be convinced that, even though Jakubinyi is currently sitting in jail, he is in cahoots with Pintér. He is being used, willingly or unwillingly, to deflect attention away from Pintér’s difficulties as a result of the Clodo testimony.

Magyar Idők reported today that Sándor Pintér is expecting ever more attacks from abroad because of Hungary’s “consistent and decisive action against migrants.” The other source of attack is domestic. The police under the supervision of the minister of interior are doing such a splendid job of eliminating criminals that certain criminal elements decided to strike back.

Well, that’s it. Is this story a preemptive strike? Does the government expect Pintér to come under closer scrutiny? I have no idea. We’ll have to wait to see what develops.

March 20, 2017

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petofi
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Just the KGB stirring the pot to keep in practice.

Google this: “Through The Looking Glass” by Edward Jay Epstein. It may lead to ideas about what is happening in the US…

webber
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Petofi is right. This is all just nonsense.
So, in the internet age, some “agent” wants to take physical documents across the border… Okay…. Possible…
But didn’t he also just photograph or scan them and send them to his agency?
And “character assassination?” The only assassinations going on here were committed by that Minister and his minions.

Ferenc
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English proverb:
“You measure other people’s cloth by your own yard.”

Ferenc
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Did You Know?
Since the beginning of this year has sharply increased
harassment by foreign agents against the state in Hungary.

Tudta?
Az év kezdete óta ugrásszerűen emelkedik az állam elleni
idegen kémkedés zaklatások száma Magyarorszagon.

Guest

Do these Fideszniks really think that Hungary is the most important state in the world – so everybody, from the CIA and MI5 to Soros “and his minions” (that’s what you usually read …) has nothing better/else to do than harass them poor Magyars?

petofi
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Ferenc,

Can you write that in Russian?

Ferenc
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No, know some languages, but no Russian.
Just adapted a last years referendum slogan to recent stories: Matolcsi, Jürgen Roth – Pinter, the ones in Eva’s post
Really curious if the upward trend will continue……..

webber
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webber
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On topic, now in English – a former Hungarian intelligence officer talks about Russian penetration of Hungary: http://index.hu/belfold/2017/03/21/hungarian_secret_agent_reveals_how_serious_the_russian_threat_is/

petofi
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@webber re intelligence officer

My but his English is faultless…

webber
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It’s a TRANSLATION Petőfi!!! The original is here: http://index.hu/belfold/2017/03/21/titkosszolga_orosz_fenyegetes_romagyilkossag_interju/

Don’t ask me who paid to have that translation done, because I don’t have the slightest idea.

Istvan
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By the time I entered the US military as a commissioned officer in early 1971 the Russian practice of Maskirovka or what we called “denial and deception” (D and D) was well known. Edward Jay Epstein cited by Petofi presents the discovery of the Russian practice of Maskirovka like a spy thriller, it is now institutionalized in the US Army and there are actually manuals on it for example see http://jfsc.ndu.edu/portals/72/documents/jc2ios/additional_reading/1c3-jp_3-13-4_mildec.pdf . There are now commercial companies that teach classes on Maskirovka, for example http://www.cicentre.com/?page=205 . It could certainly be argued that the majority of Tom Clancy novels are based on this well know practice. But President Trump believes he can out fox Putin at his own game of Maskirovka because he believes he is so smart and he put in place others like General Flynn, Carter Page, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and likely others who believed they could play the Maskirovka game with Putin and even possibly make money while doing so. Even though the Russian practice is well know and institutionalized doesn’t mean it can be defeated or should be played with by trying to predict what is deception and what is not. Central Europeans because the Maskirovka… Read more »
webber
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Istvan, it will end in impeachment. There is no doubt in my mind now.

petofi
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@ webber re: impeachment

What is clear to me is that Trump is seeking to be removed, which may actually lead to civil disorder.

Is that what the Russians are aiming at?

petofi
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What I also find alarming is the unbalanced news in the US. One would think that with the proliferation of news services, one would get a rounded view of a subject. I’ve yet to see a report on what the repeal of Obamacare means in financial terms to the major companies in Health care and pharmaceuticals. It seems to me that major companies have intimidated–or outright control–what the media report on them. This seems also to be the case in other areas as well: for instance, why has no one reported on how a criminal and a buffoon like Trump could defeat 15 other Republicans to win the nomination?

webber
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No, it won’t lead to civil disorder. Remember Nixon?
And no, Trump is not “seeking to be removed.” He is constantly scrambling to find new ways to deny it all, and to divert attention to other issues.

I only wonder how much Pence knew and knows. If he knew, he could be impeached too. That would be nice. The Speaker of the House would become Pres. in that case. Paul Ryan seems okay.

petofi
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re: civil disorder

Yes it will. Trump is madly, incoherently supported by a multitude of ‘thumb-your-noses-at-them’ types. Especially the country types from the south and the midwest who each have 10 guns. Any attempt to remove him, whether by Congress or not, will be met by violence.
Look at his campaign like travels even now–they’re predicated on getting the people on his side against the government itself. It’s freaky sick.

FoxiMaxi
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You put way too much faith in Republican politicians. And you probably read way too much Democratic news media. Just to remind you no smoking gun evidence whatsoever has been provided so far about Russia’s alleged penetration of the top echelon of US leadership. Lots of interesting articles but no solid evidence whatsoever.

webber
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Pardon??? One member of the admin has already resigned because he lied about his contacts with Russians. There is no smoking gun??
I’m afraid you haven’t been reading the news at all. If you had, you’d see there are a LOT of other contacts.

webber
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FoxiMaxi – When was there ever an investigation of the President and his administration for collusion with a foreign power? That is an investigation into high treason. When did it ever happen before? (never)

Observer
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Reps tried to impeach Clinton for “lying to the American people” about a blow job.

Now Trump is lying to the am people about President Obama committing a crime (an illegal wiretapping), and about the system being rigged, etc.

It’s like the fart and the s..t comparison.

wrfree
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Re: Russian penetration of Hungary and ‘maskirovka’

Quote by POTUS on Ukraine with his ref to the Czar..

‘He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right?’

I knew things were bad but that ‘through the looking glass’ look makes it come off even worse with the agent’s revelations. Add the POTUS remark and we can see the grave mismatch in viewing realities of Russian behavior.

It remains to be seen how future ‘deals’ that Trump appears to long after with Russia evolve in context of all the disinformation, propaganda and mendaciousness going on with someone that he wants so badly to be a ‘friend’. I’d suggest Europe and US would never be wrong on this view of a weak, dangerous and envious ‘friendly-enemy: hope for the worst and you will never be disappinted. They work completely with a different rule book. The democratic world will have its hands full for a long long long time. I hope we will be up to the heavy task.

petofi
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Also, think of this: what foreign nation wants to share secrets with the US now…?

Istvan
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A big problem Petofi. After what Trump pulled on Merkel last week I can’t see the BND sharing much and after the British were forced to publicly deny a White House claim allege that UK’s MI5 spied on President Donald Trump at the behest of former President Barack Obama my bet is MI5 will share only what is absolutely necessary. Its hard times over at the CIA, since the Hungarian Információs Hivatal seems to only know what the Russians tell them I suspect what is lost from IH won’t be too much.

Guest

Breaking “alternative news” – before you read on, this is from a satire site!

snopes.com already debunked it – will be interesting to see whether some alt right loonie sites will repeat it!
On 18 March 2017, the web site known as The Resistance: America’s Last Line of Defense (aka “The Resistance: Twisted News for Conservative Minds”) posted an article positing that George Soros, the Hungarian-American billionaire and philanthropist, had perished in a plane crash while on a trip to his home country:
But no, here’s the alternative fake story:
George Soros wasn’t on the plane that crashed in the Hungarian Alps, killing everyone on board. His spokesman just confirmed that Soros boarded a plane this morning for Hawaii, where he had lunch with Barack Obama and the federal judge who blocked President Trump’s new travel ban.

http://www.snopes.com/george-soros-death-hoax/

petofi
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Merkel’s look at Trump was perfect: ‘This guy is an idiot.’

FoxiMaxi
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I think it’s a good point that Orban may have been an informant of the foreign intelligence department during his time in Oxford. His recruitment took place probably earlier. Orban was in Oxford from September 1989 and people were still expecting the system to continue. The Berlin wall fell only in Nov 1989 but that famously took everyone by surprise. Until now we only knew that Orban was targeted by the military intelligence during his compulsory military service. But even though the military intelligence was not able to recruit Orban (at least it’s not totally clear), another department a few months later may have been more successful. Orban’s reporting to the intelligence could’ve been a condition to Orban’s ability to accept the scholarship.

petofi
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recruitment…
Orban was in Moscow when he was 19 or 20 for a number of months…

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