Mária Schmidt on George Soros, the grave digger of the left, part i

The Orbán regime must consider Mária Schmidt’s essay “The Grave Digger of the Left,” which appeared on her government-sponsored blog Látószög (viewing angle), a critically important piece of writing. It was promoted on MTV1, the state propaganda television network, even before it was published.

The essay is, as you might have guessed from its title, about George Soros. Schmidt contends that Soros is singlehandedly orchestrating world events to bring about a world he has been cunningly building for decades. He is a puppeteer, a “wizard/double agent,” as a Russian source called him.

Schmidt’s piece is the result of shockingly bad research. Admittedly, a blog post is not an academic treatise, but one would expect a historian to check her facts. At the very least, one would hope that a historian doesn’t blindly take the conclusions of highly questionable sources at face value. Schmidt’s one-sided interpretation of events with which George Soros has been connected over the years leads me to believe that she first has a theory and then looks for anything that could possibly pass as evidence. It doesn’t seem to bother her that her stories make no sense or that they sound more like fantasy than fact.

Here is one example. At the very beginning of the article Schmidt mentions two organizations in connection with the closing of the Trepca (Kosovo) lead mines: the International Crisis Group (ICG) and Doctors Without Borders. She claims that both are “generously” supported by George Soros. Schmidt is correct in pointing out that both George Soros and his son Alexander are on the board of ICG. What she neglects to say is that the board has 43 members from 33 countries and that ICG’s budget comes largely from governments and corporations and to a smaller extent from foundations and individuals. Her other claim is that Doctors Without Borders, which is also “financed” (Soros pénzel) by Soros, was responsible for closing the Trepca mines, which did unspeakable harm to the people of the area. A quick look at the list of organizations funded by George Soros and his Open Society Foundations would have revealed that Doctors Without Borders is not a recipient of Soros money. And this is a serious problem because, as a result, the whole conspiracy story of Soros’s involvement with the mines collapses.

As Mária Schmidt sees Soros and the world

If there is a problem with the Trepca story, there is also something very wrong with the conclusion of the blog post. Because that story from 2000 is supposed to be the prototype of George Soros’s predatory remaking of the world bit by bit. First, this shrewd and unscrupulous financier finds a project that makes good business sense. Then, he sends his civilians there to destabilize a region. Subsequently, he pays off the media, creates chaos and once the whole area is physically destroyed he offers assistance for the reconstruction. Meanwhile he cherry-picks the best business opportunities. Soon after that comes breaking down borders, abolishing national sovereignty, paying off the experts with scholarships, prizes, fame, calling them independent and democrats. This is what happened in Kosovo, where the “Soros-financed Doctors Without Borders” were called in to do the dirty work for him. They convinced the UN forces that the mines were having a deadly effect on the people working and living there. If, of course, Doctors Without Borders were not the henchmen of Soros, Schmidt’s prototypical example collapses.

This is a pretty embarrassing beginning, and I’m afraid the rest is no better. For instance, Mária Schmidt claims that George Soros was solely responsible for the 1998 Russian financial crisis. It is worth quoting her summary of what happened. “George Soros talked the ruble down, something which also caused significant hardship for Hungary, when he published an op-ed piece in The Financial Times in which he called for the devaluation of the ruble by 15-20%. As a result of this [article] the ruble collapsed and lost 60% of its value. The salaries, pensions, and of course savings of people were gone, just as five years later were those of the Brits.”

I don’t think one has to know much about economics to be suspicious of Schmidt’s interpretation of the 1998 Russian financial crisis. An op-ed piece in The Financial Times cannot be responsible for such a financial calamity. So, let’s see what an associate of the CFA Institute had to say about it. “The Russian crisis of 1998 was really an extension of the Asian Currency Crisis of 1997 (the ‘Asian flu’). The combination of declining economic output, falling oil prices, enormous budget deficits, and a currency pegged to the rising US dollar overwhelmed the fledgling Russian government. To maintain its peg to the dollar, Russia used its foreign exchange reserves to buy rubles. But as the country gradually depleted its foreign exchange reserves, it became clear that Russia would soon run out of reserves. At that point, the Russian government would no longer be able to maintain the ruble’s peg to the US dollar. Upon exhausting its reserves, Russia defaulted on its debt and revalued the ruble on foreign exchange markets.” Not a word about George Soros.

These two examples will suffice to demonstrate that Schmidt is offering up “alternative historical facts.” We can therefore move on to her other charge: Soros’s “capture of the left not just in the United States but also in Europe, including Hungary.” In her reading, by now Soros and the left are one and the same. People who are inclined to support social democratic, green, or liberal parties in reality “unscrupulously serve the interests of large global corporations and global financial actors.” How does Schmidt know this? Simple. She noticed that heading leftist parties are “businessmen, bankers, corporate managers, or politicians who will become sooner or later lobbyists for big business.” For example, Clinton, Schröder, Blair, Kern, Macron, Schulz, Gyurcsány, and Bajnai.

For Soros to buy the left and liberalism, he first had to buy the Democratic Party. Her evidence: Saturday Night Live. No, this is not a joke. But what follows is outright breathtaking. Somehow Soros managed to get the McCain-Feingold Reform Act of 2002 enacted, which, according to Schmidt’s interpretation, financially ruined the Democratic Party. The party subsequently became entirely dependent on Soros’s financial support. After that, everything went smoothly, Schmidt concludes.

Schmidt next turns to a dissection of Soros’s influence on current Hungarian society, especially on the youth. But this deserves another post tomorrow.

April 16, 2017
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Observer
Guest

M.Schmidt – the SO CALLED HISTORIAN is the right term. Whatever her beginning, she became a not so skilful propaganda scribbler and made herself a laughing stock on two international events (at least).
The reading is fun, although a bit unsettling by the thought that some actually believe this c..p. Too much MH, Echo TV and other Orbán crap (rizsa) can cause serious intellectual degradation.

wrfree
Guest

Re: Schmidt… so called ‘historian’

She does look a bit in our 21st as a female and malicious Procopius laying out the distasteful ‘facts’ of her object which is not a Justinian but a Soros and by inference the the dastardly West and what it ‘stands’ for.

Ms. Schmidt if anything is probably in the vanguard of the new Magyar ‘hysteriaography’ which amasses selected ‘facts’ , dismisses others editorially because of ‘fit’ and misleads in extravagant heights of exaggeration. All in the interest of backing an ideology intent on advancing into new historical periods.

This is ‘history’ where the square pegs have to get jammed into round holes. And we get nothing absolutely nothing when it comes to achieving a modicum of ‘truths’ in assessing an age, its politics, its social discourse and institutions. So arguably today in the country there is no such thing as the study of history. It appears to be a deformed intellectual pursuit.

Member
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webber
Guest

It’s too hard to amend the Constitution in the U.S. to dismantle the system of checks and balances. Making it more difficult to alter the post-Orban Hungarian constitution is vital to restoring democracy and making it harder for anyone else to do what Orban has done.

wrfree
Guest

webber you’re on with the checks and balances here.

I would suggest though in VO’s land that if the opposition cannot get traction with current youth in the next few years it would be difficult to change the course the country is on if things keep their way. And that means if change will occur it will have to be left with those who are not yet born.
Then they will have to be the spark.

Add in more and more youth wanting to leave and not so many going in to higher education it would seem there is a big sea to cross there. Tough business.

Guest

Sometimes I wonder what people in a hundred years will think about our times(if humanity should still exist in any way …) – we had so much info at hand and great technology and science too but at the same time many people were more stupid and disinformed than peasants in the Middle Ages or even the savages of three thousand years ago!

You can’t really blame them alone of course – you have to blame those purveyors of Alternative Facts and Fake news etc!

I never would have thought that idiotic and lunatic propaganda still works in the 21st Century!

Guest

If there is one thing I remember from high school, it’s that one should always double check any information and look at multiple sources – reliable sources – before forming an opinion. I don’t even remember which teacher taught me this but to this very day (roughly 30 years later), I still take it as the most important thing I learned in school. I wish everyone had been taught the same.

Beyond this principle, I can see that in Hungary, people’s judgment is blinded sometimes by their political affiliation, sometimes by their patriotism, sometimes both. My father in law does not particularly like Fidesz but he cannot stand that my wife criticizes Hungary and ultimately he wold rather defend not the Orbán government as such but the nation as a whole – although this is quite a contradiction in terms or actions if you ask me.

petofi
Guest

I’m afraid that most people miss the point of misinformation that Russia and their vassal states propagate: it is made to CONFUSE. The aim is to spread fatigue. And then, with time, to accept the calm of total surrender to whatever the KGB/FSB want the world to accept.

e-1956
Guest

Disinformation = weapon!

Is PETOFI the only one who can see it?

Observer
Guest

Wolfi

For English readers, check out the source SM offers and actually copies from (without acknowledging it) http://www.antiwar.com/rep/szamuely/szamuely50.html

It is self revealing re the idiocy level scribbling.

The rest is lies and wild speculation upon which another level of wild speculation is built to fit the propaganda agenda.
The few primitive illustrations, a la 1950/60 communist era ones, reinforce the impression.
It’s Fascism folks, writ larger and larger.

Guest

Thanks, observer, for that link!

The author (whose name I never read before) seems a strange person:
George Szamuely is a Jew born in Hungary like Soros – with very “interesting” ideas …

Katarzyna Batko
Guest
Guest

Yes, and very fitting(from that wiki):
In July 2008, the film was publicly screened in Budapest by Sándor and Tibor Gede, Hungarian right-wing extremists.[89][90] without the permission …
PS:
As a Schwab aka inhabitant of Württemberg I was also shocked when reading about this as a young man.
Jews were only allowed to live in some villages until the end of the 19th century and I still remmber the stories my mother told me about her school friends from Rexingen (one of these villages which was predominantly Jewish in 1930) – and suddenly almost empty when most of the Jews living there decided that life was getting too dangerous and moved to Palestine at the beginning of 1938 – lucky ones!

Ferenc
Guest

Checked the Saturday M1 evening news (23hr), and to my surprise Schmits essay was an item in it, just behind the 3 minutes (!!) item about OV’s interview in Magyar Idok……….
Here’s my summary of news items (2017.Apr.15, M1-23hr):
1.easter celebrations, international [incl.anti-terror “news”] (3:20)
2.easter celebrations, in Hungary [incl.touristical] (2:40)
3.Orban interview MI [main quotes] (3:00)
4.Schmidt essay against Soros [main quotes] (0:45)
5.demonstration in Budapest (0:30)
6.demonstration at Roszke border (0:35)*
7.migrants in Serbia (0:40)
8.Fidesz about Roszke demonstration (0:45)**
9.boatseason at Balaton (1:55)
10.world’s oldest person, died at 117 (0:35)
*main notes by M1: people organized by buss from Budapest and many foreigners at demonstration (while showing Márton Gulyás with microphone)
**longer than the item about the demonstration itself!!

IS THIS CORRECT PUBLIC MEDIA BRINGING BALANCED NEWS?
For who thinks (like me) NOT, what can be done about this??

Guest

You can at least ask the people what’s the difference between this and the way news are presented in Moscow or North Korea!

We discussed the political situation after breakfast with the family members visiting us – it was sad, but everybody had to laugh hysterically when the grandchild (five years) brought up a children’s verse about “The Plumber” …

ambator
Member

It is good that you unmask the speculative scenarios Schmidt is peddling, but the fact of the matter is that most of her claims are fictional and therefore, hardly merit the investment of work you accord to them.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ambator,

OMG! Surely, you guys must have read “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein? In the light of her international best-seller, Schmidt’s claim is spot on!
“The Shock Doctrine” is a well-known masterpiece about a “few, who are making a killing while more are getting killed.” (First published about 10 years ago) The book is known all over the world as a “thinking dynamite”! (available on Amazon.com)
Klein is into “Climate change” these days (I guess it’s the least dangerous platform for a leftie) and to my surprise, she’s teamed up with George Soros, a billionaire “leftie”, who fancies himself as a philanthropist. By the looks of it, he’s willing to blow his billions to see his lifelong dream to eventuate in his lifetime: “Open Society, open borders” etc.
F*ck the 2000 years of history of little helpless countries, like Hungary!
BUT what if the Hungarian people don’t want to share Mr Soros’s dream? What if they don’t want to have a f@#*ng “Open Society”? Are there going to be brought to their knees? Are they going to be starved out of the European Union? How? Any time frame?

This is what I’d call messing with the minds of ordinary people!

Guest

Nice (but no surprise) to see that Melanie is as lunatic as ever!

When Hungary joined the EU several things were signed – you might be able to look them up.
And if Hungarians don’t want these rights and freedoms and “openness” anymore – they are free to leave, just like the Brexshitters …
PS:
Yes, for many Hungarians society is kind of closed – luckily not for all, like my wife and her family and friends who like to visit other countries and maybe even live there for a longer time.

PPS:
melanie, why don’t you return to glorious Hungary and help Fidesz with their return to the class society of the 19th Century?
I’m sure you’d be a fantastic … (insert here what you’d like to be on the court of Emperor Orbán …)

Bowen
Guest

No, no, Wolfi. Melanie Zuben is right. Hungarians (all of them, clearly) want to live in a closed society. And they have a proud 2000-year history. Just as Melanie pointed out.

It’s probably pointless trying to argue with that kind of gibberish.

weljan
Guest
2000 years? 2000 years ago Hungarians migrated from the eastern Ural area to the west, living in Magna Hungaria (Bashkiria). From here several migrational waves to the west. In the 9th century Hungarians arrived to the area of today’s Hungary. The German Otto the 1st stopped the further migration in a battle. The clever king, later Stephan the 1st, even later Saint Stephan asked priests from Otto to turn his people catholic, i.e. to turn the ancient Asian-Ugor-Turkish-Kazar culture to an European one. Not much later, in “1000 A.D.” Stephan (István) got the holy crone prom the pope in Rome, Sylvester. Later mongolian, tatar, kun, turkish migrants came and went, killing part of the local population and leaving part of their people here. The lack of local manpower forced the landlords to import complete villages and thousands of people form Germany (Schwaben), from today”s Serbia and elsewhere. The mix of this nations re-established the Hungarian language and culture in the XVIII-XIX centuries. Today we are Hungarians, but just as different regarding our political, cultural, etc. habits and behavior as any other nation in Europa. But we are also different from the political point of view since we have no tradition… Read more »
Guest

Weljan, please …

Don’t you recognise a joke when it hits you?

You’re right of course re the Hungarian people and especially your last paragraph shows Hungary’s weakest point. Those almost 50 years under so called “Communist” rule didn’t help either.

The reality
Guest

You are wrong. Otto I. did not stop any migration, because Hungarians did not migrated to the West. (Medieval monarchs were not against migrations) You confused migrations with military campaigns. Before Otto I, Hungarians defeated Eastern and Western Frankish kingdoms in countless battles. Read about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe.

“Asian-Ugor-Turkish-Kazar culture”

Wrong again. Hungarians and Hungarian language have not genetic or linguistic kinship with Turkic people and Turkic languages.

“The mix of this nations re-established the Hungarian language and culture ”

How were these people taught to Hungarian? There were no compulsory primary school system in Europe, there weren’t newspapers radio or Television, the official language was latin until 1844.

“from today”s Serbia and elsewhere” Wrong. Hungarians were western Christians (Catholic-protestant) we do not marry with Orthodox people. Lajos Kossuth was the first who had inter-religious marriage in Europe and Hungary.

Guest

Our resident purveyor of fake history/alternate reality again!
Don’t you get tired of writing the same cr*p again and again?
At least you could try to correct your spelling mistakes – if you’re so clever and all-knowing, funny little fascist!

The reality
Guest

What is the pseudo history? That Eastern Frankish kingdom was defeated at least 10 times before Otto I ?

Guest

It’s not the number of won battles – it’s the end of the war that counts, funny boy!
Like germany won many, many battles in WW1and 2 – btw what about “modern” Hungary?

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Bowen,
You might find this helpful. The definition of Individualism (Soros) vs Collectivism (Orban)

INDIVIDUALISM
“Individualism is at once an ethical-psychological concept and an ethical-political one. As an ethical-psychological concept, individualism holds that a human being should think and judge independently, respecting nothing more than the sovereignty of his or her mind; thus, it is intimately connected with the concept of autonomy. As an ethical-political concept, individualism upholds the supremacy of individual rights …” (in short: F # @ C K your neighbour)

“COLLECTIVISM: Collectivism is defined as the theory and practice that makes some sort of group rather than the individual the fundamental unit of political, social, and economic concern. In theory, collectivists insist that the claims of groups, associations, or the state must normally supersede the claims of individuals.
(Please see: the surviving (sovereignty) of the
country and its people as a nation, etc. etc.)

Ferenc
Guest

(Melany in short: F # @ C K every INDIVIDUAL, who is not willing to follow the COLLECTIVISM as defined by Orban INDIVIDUALLY)

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ferenc,
Yours is a twisted liberal interpretation, with all due respect.

Bowen
Guest

Of course, Hungarians are the most neighbourly people imaginable, right? History only goes to show.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

wolfie,
You are mixing up the definition of “openness” with the definition of Karl Popper/Soros style “Open Society”. Hungarians are all for “openness”, they believe in their “rights to freedom”!

petofi
Guest

Melanie-baby,

It’s spring and you remind me of a cat ‘spritzing’ everywhere…

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Melanie Zuben to petofi, Hungarian Spectrum

“Petofi”- baby, it’s autumn in Australia and you remind me of my “I-Scratch-U” spritzing on the unsuspecting “I-Bite-U”. (I know you must love this part of the dialogue between Electra’s precious animals).

aida
Guest

This debate is not about ideology, open or closed society, liberal democracy or illiberal state. It is a concentrated attack on our laws that serve to protect the weak and on our efforts togive opportunities to those who have a long way to go to realise their dreams.
The beneficiaries will not be the braying bigotted nationalists. In Hungary as in Russia the aim is to dismantle all mechanisms of the state that stops the plunder by the oligarchy. The so called populist ideology is the instrument, not the formulation of its aims.
Brexshitters are helping the free traders to dismantle the achievements of 50 years and to establish an oligarchy of money launderers and gangsters. The lively debate in England is about whether the passport colour should be red, as now, or blue, as was. Meanwhile we listen to Mrs May talking platitudes about helping the poor at the same time as dismantling the benefits system designed to help the disabled.
If open society means anything, it is just the means of protecting us and our dreams from the greedy and powerful.

Observer
Guest

I guess somebody has messed with Melanie’s mind, but she should at least know the basic facts of the “little helpless countries, like Hungary”. Or check out the “great,..strong…historical” Hungary claims by the Orban agit-prop dept.
I don’t know folks, are the mellanies dumb or crazy or both?

NWO
Guest

Eva: You give too much credit to Schmidt, by actually taking her arguments seriously. She does not take her own arguments seriously. Her work is pure propaganda, pretending to be history. She is one special type of spokesman for the regime.

Guest

You’re right, everybody outside Hungary (maybe with the exception of Melanie Z) is laughing about Fidesz and its way to a Medieval society – or is it rather the way of North Korea?
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wrfree
Guest

Fatman looks pensive here. I’d feel more comfortable if he’s wondering about what kind of kimchee
he’s looking forward to at lunch. Sure better than
wondering which city of ours he’d love to take out.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi- re: Fidesz will return to Medieval society.

In this case, the commenters on this blog would better watch out. He might introduce public hanging on Kossuth Square. I’d be shaking in my boots if I were you! 🙂

Guest

You’d probably be cr*pping in your sandals – but you forget that there is NATO, EU etc – and if lunatic Hungary gets thrown out there’ll be a large exodus …
Again:
If you enjoy Orbanistan so much – why don’t you come over instead of whining from far, far away?

Melanie Zuben
Guest

wolfi -“but you forget that there is NATO, EU etc – and if lunatic Hungary gets thrown out there’ll be a large exodus …”

Large exodus? Do you happen to have a time frame for your prediction?
FAIT ACCOMPLI!
My heart is breaking for that little country! Instead of concentrating on the Hungarian Economy, Orban has to fight vicious ideological battles with you on a daily bases. It’s a miracle that he’s still standing.
God bless the Hungarians!

Guest

Why don’t you come back to Hungary and help O in his glorious fight against democracy and liberalism?

Then you would also see the reality of life in Hungary and maybe understand why so many young (and old …) Hungarians are leaving the “Alternative North Korea” (copyright by me) for greener pastures.
And when everybody has left – you could switch off the lights …

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfie,
Re: democracy and liberalism
I’m a citizen of a democratic, liberal country. We respect rules and laws. What you are working on and about to create in Hungary is nothing but CHAOS, it reminds me of total anarchy! After reading the comments on this blog for the last six years, this is what it seems like from a distance. Maybe some Hungarian Liberals had good intentions . . . I don’t know. They can thank YOU guys for f@#cking up their noble dreams.

And why don’t YOU leave Hungary if you hate the Hungarian government/people this much? I understand: you LOVE Hungary, but shame about the Hungarians! Is that it? Unfortunately for you, Hungary comes with the Hungarians you commenters on this blog hate soooooooooooo much!
Oh, you are so busy (so many vicious posts) working towards the day when you can finally “switch off the lights”! And that will be: FAIT ACCOMPLI!
Maybe the Hungarians should commit mass-suicide to accommodate you?! (NO CIGAR, I’d hate to disappoint you!)
You obviously don’t know or understand the Hungarian soul!

Guest

You’re really funny, M!
as a citizen of a democratic, liberal country you praise the illiberal government of Fidesz, which every day pushes through a new law without considerations?
And the almost 60% of Hungarians who didn’t vote for Fidesz (but are vozing with their feet …) are negligible in your eyes?
When were you in Hungary the last time – if ever?

PS:
I’m only online because we have really horrible weather all over Hungary right now – just above freezing, strong wind and rain – even our dog and cat don’t want to go outside …
So reading your and the other Fideszniks’ comments kind of makes me laugh – or should I cry?

Obsever
Guest

My heart is NOT breaking for the great, strong Orbanistan. Least of all for the half baked, sly criminal who’s been playing the damaged souls of the “nemzeti” dupes. He’s most arduous task is not the ideological battles, but hiding offshore the hundreds of billions stolen from the same dupes.
Instead of standing he richly deserves to be sitting, for life in jail, and then in hell.

And, yes, Mellanie’s is messed up.

Ferenc
Guest

If OV will introduce and execute such, he’ll most like have to hang himself…………. (in a hurry all others left the country)

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ferenc -“all others left the country”

Is that what you working on?
LIVE AND LET LIVE!

Ferenc
Guest

“LIVE AND LET LIVE!”
didn’t you mention possible re-introduction by OV of public hanging? so you’re not supporting ‘the small O’ anymore?

Here I’m ‘working on’ a better place for all people in Hungary, in my opinion the first necessary step is getting OV&Co out of power.

Member

Is it true that Ms Schmidt`s very own son attended The satanic Soros University?
Perhaps he and the Fidesz apparachiks who received diplomas from there should get round to sending them back?

Also if Satan Soros is as powerful as is claimed….why is the Orban Mafia still in power in Hungary? After 7 loooong years?

Guest

By sending their children to these institutions abroad (who pays all that money, they’re not cheap?) Schmidt like Ader etc are very good examples of the DAISNAID syndrome:

Do as I say – not as I do!
This is almost a definition of hipocrytical conservative “Christians” who like to f*ck around but talk about virginity etc ….

Guest

Totally OT:
The edit button has disappeared – of course it should have been refugees, hypocritical – and there are probably more mistakes because I’m so angry at these lunatics!

CEU grad
Guest

It is true, but he’s an LMP politician and not, I would say, a fan of Fidesz. I don’t want to say more since I knew him a bit personally and my opinion of him is colored by that, but I hadn’t realized his mother was Maria Schmidt and I’m actually having a bit of trouble reconciling that with his mentions of her. Weird.

CEU grad
Guest

I am also fairly sure his mother had nothing to do with his decision to attend CEU (in his 30s), although she may have funded his undergraduate studies (or he may have received a scholarship, I don’t know). But I don’t think it’s fair to conflate people with their relatives without evidence of similar outlook.

Here’s his European Greens platform: https://europeangreens.eu/zagreb2015/peter-ungar

Guest

A bit OT – back to reality re migrants reugees etc. For those who can read German:
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article161240452/Arbeitgeber-warnen-vor-Untergang-durch-neuen-Nationalismus.html
The boss of the German employer’s association says: German industry needs more immigrants – at least 200 000 a year!
Denke man daran, was Deutschland 2030 brauche, so seien dies unter anderem ausländische Fachkräfte, Bildungsinvestitionen und offene Grenzen. Die EU-Integration müsse gefördert, nicht infrage gestellt werden. „Die EU – wenn sie nicht erfunden worden wäre, müssten wir sie eigentlich erfinden“, sagte Kramer. „Was ist das für eine geschichtsvergessene Gesellschaft geworden, die das vergessen hat.“

Kramer rief die Bürger dazu auf, sich Populismus und Nationalismus im Alltag offensiv entgegenzustellen. „Jeder in seinem Bekanntenkreis muss dagegenhalten.“ Alle Bürger in ihrem jeweiligen Sprengel müssten hier Flagge zeigen. „Wir müssen massiv entgegenhalten.“
We need open borders and if the EU didn’t exist it would be high time to invent it!
And everybody should do the opposite of what lunatic Schmidt and Melanie are doing:
Tell their family and friends about this – we need an open society!
But of course he was surely also bought/indoctrinated/ bewitched by Soros aka Satan …

Guest

PS:
The Welt is Germany’s foremost conservative (!) newspaper – not what I usually read …

Kampflied der Fidesz
Guest

Fidesz marschiert in Feindesland,
Und singt ein Teufelslied.
Ein Schütze steht am Donaustrand,
Und leise summt er mit.
Wir pfeifen auf unten und oben,
Und uns kann die ganze Welt
Verfluchen oder auch loben,
Grad wie es ihnen gefällt.

Wo wir sind da geht’s immer vorwärts,
Und der Teufel der lacht nur dazu!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Wir kämpfen für Ungarn,
Wir kämpfen für Orbán,
Der Rote kommt nie mehr zur Ruh’

Member

An incredible piece of the pot calling the kettle black. To quote “Terror Mari” (my doubly non-native translation):

“The media stuffed with Soros money can be recognized, within and beyond our borders, by the fact that following the Leninist tactics they always attack the person. They never debate with causes, statements or claims, will not bother themselves nor the Highly Esteemed One to debunk them. They threaten individuals, and should that not be enough, destroy them, that’s why their journalists and activists are specialists in character assassination.”

What “arguments” beyond “Soros” (and, earlier, “Gyurcsány” and “the past 8 years”) have the government mouthpieces bothered to use in the last few years? And what is this incredible anti-Soros campaign if not “attacking the person”?

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“what is this incredible anti-Soros campaign if not ‘attacking the person’?”

It’s classical demagogic demonizing and scapegoating, while shamelessly doing exactly what he (Orban) is accusing his innocent victim of doing. Textbook stuff.

But isn’t it all rather like an old April Fool joke that we all (but especially the charitable and humanistic Magna Hungaria faithful) keep falling for, every time, like Charlie Brown and Lucy’s football…?

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Not totally OT:

If you’re thinking – “it couldn’t happen here” – just read this analysis of the British right-wing press aka “Yellow Press” which has been supporting Brexit etc.
It’s also an unbelievable level of hypocrisy shown by the tax-fleeing owners:
http://cicerossongs.blogspot.hu/2017/02/news-from-abroad.html

Observer
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OT, but not much.

Hun Free Press reported Orban’s threat in a Kosuth radio interview. Check it out, it follows the earlier Bayer threats and fits into the all fronts assault which started, or coincided, with the loss on the Olympics referendum issue.

pappp
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‘Essays’ like Schmidt’s show insanity and should not be treated as anything other than mean propaganda written by partially insane people (although I think many others may have contributed in addition to Schmidt, after all Schmidt is directing a ‘think tank’). Anybody who seriously attempts to explain ‘how the world really is’ and offer easy answers about extremely complex social issues must be insane. It is an interesting question why a blog post was so heavily promoted in various government-controlled media? Neither blog posts but in general no written articles until now have been cross-promoted by the Fidesznik media especially not about such world-explaining topics. This is something new. I may be wrong but I smell Russian expertise in these essays and the media promotion (by the way the Protocol of the Elders of Zion was also a Russian product). Promotion of well-thought out, hard-core conspiracy theories (detailed, long texts which can be googled the result of which can show some semblance of truth) in the general public is new in Hungary and Hungarians don’t have experience in conducting such conspiracy operations. But Russia has both the expertise in writing, distributing them and creating a media environment in which they… Read more »
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“The essay is, as you might have guessed from its title, about George Soros.”

I wonder if she mentions that Soros is Hungarian, and he might have some unselfish reasons to give the CEU to Hungary the same way as Szechenyi gave the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

pappp
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Jean, try not to be so rational. Soros is Jewish, embodying – in Fidesz’ narrative – the figure of ‘the Jew’ and as such not a Hungarian in her view.

This is pure propaganda and classic Jewish conspiracy theory.

This is the point, not anything specific in the ‘theory’.

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Pappp, you should have at least a short look at observer’s link or at the person who was the “inspiration” for Schmitt:
George Szamuely:
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/szamuely8.html
Really strange …

pappp
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J never heard of this Szamuely. FYI Szamuely is a household family name in Hungary for those over 40, there were streets named after Tibor Szamuely, the communist revolutionary, who seems to be the uncle of this man’s father. George Szamuely seems to be a conflicted, fringe intellectual who, however, is very useful to the Russians since (1) some of what Szamuely says is probably true and rings true; and (2) Szamuely, being ardently critical of the ‘US imperial power’, is actually on the same side as Russia. What the Americans don’t understand is that Orban (and G. Szamuely) are not just pro-Russian, but firmly anti-US. It is their effective anti-US ideological commitment why Russia uses them. The fact that Orban loves Russia, believes in the Dugin-idelogy etc. is just (one of) the means to coopt him – but he is used because he (Orban) is working against the EU, the NATO and the US from within, from the position of a formal ally which is a trusted, credible position. If Russia attacks the US in the media, it’s obviously not really credible, but when an English intellectual or an EU politician then it’s much more reliable. This is classic… Read more »
Observer
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Papp, Guys,

Orban’s doesn’t love Russia or Putin (who may or may not have him by the b…s).
Orban is trying to find implicit (as a justification) or explicit (as financial or political) support from various dictators: he visited or paid homage to the Saudies, to Aliev of Azerbajan, to Nazarbaev of Kazahstan, to Erdogan, now to Kaczinski and above all to Putin.
In the mean time “fighting” against the ideas of democracy and the democratic governments of the US and the EU..

pappp
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With all due respect I thought we’re long over this “Well, he isn’t really a Putin-lover, only acts like one, but deep down I know he’s not like that” bullshit.

In my experience if it smells like shit and looks like shit then it usually is shit.

Jean P.
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“Jean, try not to be so rational.”

Pappp, ever heard about irony?

pappp
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There is now officially no difference between ‘mainstream’ state/Fidesznik media and kuruc.info.

Observer
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Right. Orban IS the extreme whatever now. He’s become an accidental fascist, to coin a new term.

pappp
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No need for adjectives. He is a fascist. There’s nothing new in his ideas.

(Plus basically he confessed the other day that he doesn’t like democracy as if we needed more evidence).

Of course many will deny that he is a fascist thug because acknowledging that fact would have unbearable consequences for the EU (ie. to the ideology that EU was set up to prevent crazy leaders starting another European war).

But at least we know.

Obsever
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pappp

Note, we discuss motives here, a very important element:
– not love/sympathy, but opportunism – I think although Orban benefits from, but dislikes the Putin/Russia relationship where he feels small and dependent (see his face/body language at the last Putin visit).
– not a fascist ideology, but opportunism again – 1. no specific ideology, rather a hotch potch of shifting slogans
2. all pointing to dictatorship, where the ways and means happen to be closest to those of the Italian fascism.

The above in line with Orban’s total lack of morals, scruples or shame – see his coat turning in everything, his taking the EU money and rubbishing it. This ilk would sell their mothers for power/money.

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