Is Orbán an anti-Semite? Is Putin blackmailing him? A day of charges and countercharges

The Hungarian political arena was hyperactive today, so this post will be somewhat scattershot.

Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó gave a press conference, followed by his ministry’s issuance of a statement demanding the resignation of Vice President of the European Commission Frans Timmermans for “having accused Hungary’s Prime Minister and the country’s government of anti-Semitism.” Szijjártó insisted that the present government is in fact a benefactor of Hungary’s Jewish community, which “can always count on the respect, friendship and protection of the Hungarian government.” Yet Timmermans in an interview given to Die Zeit described Viktor Orbán as “clearly anti-Semitic” for “calling George Soros a financial speculator” in the European Parliament a week ago. Szijjártó retorted that the vice president was a coward for making the “strong and furthermore unfounded accusation” in an interview instead of face-to-face with Viktor Orbán.

The fact is that the government-induced Soros-bashing that has been going on for some time uses a vocabulary that is usually reserved in Hungary for anti-Semitic discourse: speculator, financial circles, globalization, multi-national business circles, and other similar epithets. Timmermans is not the first person to suspect that the government’s constant references to professions or occupations often associated with Jews are meant to awaken anti-Semitic feelings in Hungarians.

A few weeks ago I had a conversation with a journalist from a German radio station who asked me whether all these attacks against Soros have something to do with his Jewish background. That was her first thought.

György Konrád, the internationally recognized Hungarian author, wrote an open letter to Viktor Orbán, whom he knew personally from the days when Orbán was a liberal, accusing him of anti-Semitism. The letter was translated into English and published in The Tablet. Bálint Magyar, the author of many books on the “mafia state,” wrote a brief note on his Facebook page a few days ago in which he reported on the results of his Google search for the following word combinations: “spekuláns-tőzsde” (stock market) (27,400), “spekuláns-zsidó” (28,700), and “spekuláns-zsidó-Soros” (18,500). Clearly, the vocabulary of the government in connection with George Soros does resonate. I did my own search on “Jewish speculators” in  Google Images. And what did I find? The portrait of George Soros accompanying an article in The Greanville Post titled “Judeo-Centrism: Myths and Mania.” According to Fakenewschecker.com, “this publication is among the most untrustworthy sources in the media.” The article is pure anti-Semitic drivel. The portrait of Soros was put up to adorn this dreadful article only three days ago. So, it’s no wonder that people are suspicious of the language used by Viktor Orbán and the Hungarian government.

The search for “Jewish speculator” produced this portrait of George Soros

Once the foreign ministry finished with Timmermans, it was time to summon Canada’s ambassador, Isabelle Poupart, for a dressing down after she expressed concern over the fate of Central European University and academic freedom in general. She added that Canada “encourages a constructive dialogue” to resolve the matter. Nowadays even such a mild statement is cause enough for an ambassador to be dragged into the foreign ministry.

And that takes me to an article written by László Palkovics and published by the conservative Canadian National Post. The original title of the piece was “Calling out Michael Ignatieff,” a phrase that appeared in Palkovics’s piece, which was subsequently changed to “Michael Ignatieff is waging a media war against my government to suit his own ambitions.” In it, Palkovics accuses Ignatieff of “hijacking academic freedom in Hungary,” a curious interpretation in view of what has been happening in Hungary in the last four or five weeks. Although his alleged aim was “to dispel Ignatieff’s myths and set the record straight once and for all,” he simply repeated the lies that we have heard from government sources all along. Ignatieff responded to Palkovics’s accusations. He began by saying that “a battle to defend academic freedom is underway in Budapest and Canadians need to know what is at stake,” and he went on to point out all the factual errors in Palkovics’s article. I wonder what the reaction of the National Post editors was when they got the news today about the Hungarian government’s treatment of the Canadian ambassador. Perhaps Palkovics’s claims were not quite true after all.

Now let’s move to a topic that has been the talk of the town for at least two weeks: Ferenc Gyurcsány’s repeated statements that he was approached by unnamed men who claim to have hard evidence of Viktor Orbán’s unlawful or perhaps criminal financial activities, which would make the prime minister the subject of blackmail. The blackmailer, according to the story, is none other than Vladimir Putin. This would explain the sudden and otherwise inexplicable change in Viktor Orbán’s foreign policy orientation. Prior to 2010, he was a fierce opponent of anything to do with Russia and Putin, but after that date he became Putin’s Trojan horse inside the European Union.

Gyurcsány gave tantalizing interviews. Every time he appeared he offered up a few more details. He indicated that although he saw the documents, they were not in his possession. But he claimed that if Orbán sued him, then those people holding the documents would be compelled to release them and testify. At one point he gave Orbán 72 hours to make a move, which of course came and went without Orbán doing anything. Many people were skeptical of Gyurcsány’s revelations in the first place, but after the Gyurcsány “ultimatum” had no results, more and more people became convinced that the story was just the figment of Gyurcsány’s imagination. After all, they said, Gyurcsány uses these kinds of tricks to call attention to himself and his party.

Since the appearance of László Botka as MSZP’s candidate to be Hungary’s next prime minister, the left-of-center parties have been fighting each other instead of Viktor Orbán and Fidesz. Botka’s bête-noire is Ferenc Gyurcsány. He declared on many occasions that Gyurcsány cannot have a political role. In brief, he would like to have the votes of Gyurcsány’s followers without Gyurcsány. Two days ago Botka in an interview decided to join forces with those who consider Gyurcsány’s revelations bogus. “Gyurcsány must leave politics if he has no proof of the Russians’ having information about financial transactions that can be connected to Fidesz and personally to Viktor Orbán.”

MSZP’s position was that the allegation was simply not credible enough to hold hearings on it in the parliamentary committee on national security. Chairman Zsolt Molnár (MSZP) decided not to call a session to discuss the matter. Bernadett Szél (LMP), also a fierce opponent of Gyurcsány, agreed. As they put it, they’re not getting involved in a political soap opera.

That was the situation until today, when Bertalan Tóth, leader of the MSZP parliamentary delegation, announced that his party will after all demand hearings on the issue. Both Viktor Orbán and Ferenc Gyurcsány, he said, will be invited to testify. Molnár added that he wants information from the civilian and military secret services as well. Gyurcsány responded promptly, saying that he would attend as long as Viktor Orbán also makes an appearance, which, let’s face it, is unlikely. However, he is willing to personally and officially hand over all information in his possession to the chairman of the committee.

Depending on the nature of the information, this development might have very serious consequences. The only thing that is not at all clear to me is why the MSZP leadership suddenly changed its mind and now supports a further probe into the issue. One possibility is that they came to the conclusion that since Orbán will not attend, Gyurcsány would also refuse to testify. In that case, it would be patently obvious that his stories were inventions. Perhaps that would ruin his political career, which would make their job of getting rid of him simple. I’m sure they were not expecting Gyurcsány to offer to share all the information he has about Orbán’s possible criminal activities. What will happen if the accusations are credible? That may improve his standing, which would not be in the interest of MSZP, whose popularity, despite Botka’s month-long campaigning, is stagnating. MSZP has embarked on a dangerous journey, and no one knows at the moment where it will end.

May 5, 2017
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Nwo
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The question of anti-Semtisim &a Orban is quite vexed. There seems no doubt that the whole Soros canard plays on deep anti-Semitic and anti-capitalist themes, which resonate in Hungary. Orban has used this strategy frequently over the years when in need of rallying a core element of his supporters and especially whenever Jobbik seems to be more prominent. On other hand, it is true that in recent years Hungary and Orban have become far more supportive of Israel (as Muslims became the bete noire of Hungarian right) and Fidesz has had a seemingly decent relationship with the more orthodox elements of Hungarian Jewish community, especially Chabad. After watching this for years, personally, I don’t think anti-Semitism is a core part of his world view, but like Trump in US during election, Orban is more than willing to play on anti-Semitism and skate close to the line (or over it) if he feels it is expedient politically. As usual, no courage. No conviction for principle. All politics.

Member

The following I found in Wikipedia about financial anti semitism:

“The Anti Defamation League conducted a poll in Europe in 2007 which asked respondents if they agreed with the statement that “Jews have too much power in international financial markets”. Polling data showed that respondents agreed with that statement as follows: 61% in Hungary, 43% in Austria, 40% in Switzerland, 40% in Belgium, 21% in the United Kingdom, and 13% in the Netherlands.”

So, if especially in Hungary prejudices exist, that the world finances are controlled by jews and the leader of Hungary calls Soros a financial speculator although in the context of the CEU debate in the EU the profession of Soros is completlly irrelevant, why else did Orban mention it, if not playing with at least the hungarians anti semitic sentiments ?

The answer is simple; This was anti semitism and nothing else, no matter if Orban believes in what he says.

Observer
Guest

Now

As noted below, the Orban regime has been fanning racism inc. anti Semitism for a long time. Orban left the viscious hate speech to Bayer et al in order appear clean, but he’s calling all shots in his mafia, hence …
Actually the main emotional underpinning of their rise and rule has been hatred. Why the viscious hatred displayed even now after they have usurped all the power and have ripped off thousands of billions.

Ferenc
Guest

In the recent anti-Soros, “evil of all evils”, items presented in the public/state M1 news were several times used quotes from other media, mostly Magyar Idok, Origo, Figyelo, and the like. But one time I noticed that they used following US media: NewAmerican and InfoWars, who were reporting about “investigations in US about influence of Soros in Macedonia”.
Can anybody here clarify what those media really are?

PS: didn’t notice any other (better known) US media to be used and/or quoted in M1 news.

Curly
Guest

That M1 quotes “information sources” like NewAmerican (John Birch Society) and InfoWars (the Oklahoma City bombing, 9/11 and the Sandy Hook shootings were all US government-sponsored acts) says all you need to know about this (Hungarian government supported) TV station. Fake news cites other fake new sites.

Guest

Alex Jones from infowars is absolutely crazy!

You can look up on snopes.com the debunking of some of this guy’s prepostorous claims – no “constipation theory” is lunatic enough for this example of human aberration.

Rivarol
Guest

Is Orban to blame if Soros is Jewish? Is it antisemitic to attack Rotschild, etc.? If the big bankers were mostly Buddhist, would their crit
icism amount to an insult to Buddhism?

Guest

Orbán wished his friends a “Jew-free goodnight” when he was a guest of Soros in New York, but I guess you are right, Rivarol, that does not mean he is antisemitic, just simply that he wished to rid the world of Jews. Not antisemitic at all.

Hilo
Guest

Source?

Guest

If you are one of Orbán’s men, then it is none of your business.

Hilo
Guest

I am not anybody’s man except my wife. If you have nothing else to say, it speaks for itself

Guest

At the party held in Orbán’s hotel room on the last night of their stay, as guests of Soros, as the evening wore on, and as the party-goers got more and more drunk, more and more antisemitic insults were bandied about, and the evening ended with Orbán wishing his guests a “Jew free goodnight” as they left his room”.

But since you and Fidesz members don’t believe in or practice transparency, I am sure you will approve of my reluctance to share the source of my information.

Karl Pfeifer
Guest

Everything must be understood in context. Fact is a lot of attacks against Rothschild and Soros are explicitly or implicitly antisemitic. Orbán’s good friend the “fecal-antisemite” (Die Presse, 25.1.2011) Zsolt Bayer is often using antisemitic language and is protected by Orbán. So while Orbán takes care, to “protect Jews”, his buddy Bayer is using antisemitic language.

Guest

Agreed, Karl – Orbán uses others to do his dirty work, so he can appear to be squeaky clean.

exTor
Guest

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Zsolt Bayer a ‘fecal antisemite’ ??? Love the prettification of the descriptor, however ‘fecal’ doesn’t quite have the oomph of ‘shitty’, but I’ll take it, KP.

Were facts otherwise, were Zsolt Bayer not a rightwinger himself, were he a (rich) liberal, the racist right might call out ZséBé for being a Semite solely based on its contention that he ‘looks Jewish’.

There is a history of Jews hiding on the ‘other side’, witness that now-no-less-vile Csanád Szegedi, that detestable Jobbiker, who found Jews in his basement and abandoned the out-and-out racism of the ‘old Jobbik’ (the ugly version of the now-fumigated Jobbik) for the paradise of Israel.

Perhaps Zsolt Bayer is a true selfhating Jew, one who seeks to wipe the stain of his genetics in a wash of hatred, not unlike numerous selfhating closeted evangelicals in the US preaching against homosexuality.

http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne

It is always a pleasure when one learns the contrary truth with the outing of haters, especially US of America politicos. Check the link.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Roderick Beck
Guest

Orbán is to blame if he is targeting Soros because his Jewishness makes the attack more appealing to Hungarians.

PS: Most bankers are not Jewish.

Hilo
Guest

Is it appropriate marking critics for any reason against a speculant as sign of anti-semitism? If you say yes, you are who spreads anti-semitic propaganda by tying term “Jew” with “speculation”. Soros deserves plenty of critics, and it is unfair to evade it by playing the Nazi card

petofi
Guest

(This blog is becoming termite-ridden…)

Member

Hilo, You anti semite.
No one played the Nazi card, yet, as You lied.
Then let me start:
The current hungarian regime is more a Nazi regime than a democratic state.

Observer
Guest

Winston

No, no, not Nazi.

The Orban regime is “just” fascist,

Hilo
Guest

I am a bit confused, because the most frequent denunciation is that Orban is a communist. He is perhaps commie on Mondays, Fascist on Tuesdays, and Nazi on wednesdays. For the rest of the week he resides on the planet Mars to prepare next attack against mankind

Roderick Beck
Guest

Good point. He actually thinks like a Communist in terms of his economic policies. He has delusions about ‘reindustrialization’ and the state taking the lead role in economic life (State Crony Capitalism). On this tenure the government repeatedly attempted to takeover ‘strategic sectors’ like energy and telecommunications.

Zsuzsa
Guest

ditto

Guest

What nonsense you talk Hilo – you are exposing the confused values and muddled thinking of Orbán followers.
In what way is Soros, who is a wealthy capitalist having amassed his fortune by understanding the capitalist system.

While Orbán and those close to him have become rich by stealing, from the EU coffers, funds which were supposed to improve hospitals and schools and Hungary’s infrastructure, including providing decent wages in ine with European standards.

So what is the result of the Orbán lying and stealing? Talented professionals are leaving Hungary by the droves, leaving understaffed jobs, and insttead of dealing with the situation Fideszers are outraged and enraged every time attention is drawn to the government’s crimes and misdemeanors.

EU moneys have gone into the pockets of Orbán’s friends and family, enabling you all to buy palaces, and send your children to expensive foreign schools, while at the same itme rubbishing the CEU, a foreign institution, and trying to besmirch someone who through legal means is wealthier than you all are.

And the theft and pillage of Hungary is done with brazen lies and aggression. Shame on you, and Orbán and his criminal gang.

Hilo
Guest

“Talented professionals are leaving Hungary by the droves, leaving understaffed jobs, ”

Talented professional are leaving Romania, Poland, Slovakia, Bulgaria of a higher proportional rate, than Hungary. Surely all of them because of Orban

Roderick Beck
Guest

Actually, Hilo, Hungary’s demographics is considerably worse than its neighbors. So the exodus of talent has a far greater impact. Secondly, Hungary’s economic performance has not revived under Orbán based on average annual growth rate. In fact, by discouraging foreign investment and is discouraging foreign ideas Orbán has reduced the long term underlying growth rate. The future belongs to societies that embrace news ideas. It is not a coincidence that liberal America is rich America (Google mean employee is 160K USD per year). Education and social progress go hand in hand.

Guest

Well said, Roderick.

Observer
Guest

Roderick

Not only the US, but many liberal democratic countries are rich without oil gushers and illiberal ones with great mineral riches are very poor.
Moreover, once H, Pl, Tr, etc took the illiberal turn their economic performance deteriorated. Illiberal is poverty.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Of course. But US professionals are by far the best paid in the world.

Guest

Stay focused on Hungary, HiIo…though I know that the Fidesz policy is to deflect any and all criticsm and point fingers elsewhere.

How is this going to help to improve things in Hungary?
Don’t you want to live in a more fair and just society?

petofi
Guest

Soros deserves critics?

Oh yes, he built a university in central Budapest and gave employment to herds of Hungaricoes who otherwise would be fishing in the polluted Danube for their supper…

Hilo
Guest

Quite low proportion of CEU students and of teaching craft are Hungarians. Of the 1400 students are at around 300-400 Hungarians (exact number is kept secret by the CEU). Hungarians are there mostly for cleaning the building and similars

Roderick Beck
Guest

Your figures are wrong, and moreover, irrelevant. Elite universities should not be based on quota systems. Their job is attract the best and brightest.

petofi
Guest

‘..for cleaning the building..’–and getting triple what they would get anywhere else!

Roderick Beck
Guest

Hilo, I don’t see anything wrong with Soros outside of him marrying a woman half his age. A mistake common to men throughout recorded history. I admire the guy and wish I was 1/100th as great as he is.

aida
Guest

Surely you do not mean to say that the lady is too old.
Frankly this criticism is hardly worthy of this blog. Live and let live and as you may remember the Cole Porter lyrics in Can-Can “love and let love”.

Hilo
Guest

“uses a vocabulary that is usually reserved in Hungary for anti-Semitic discourse: speculator, financial circles, globalization, multi-national business circles, and other similar epithets. ”

Mr. Botka, the would-be candidate of MSZP for Minister President summarised his agenda for the next term: “Let’s make the riches pay”

Why not to declare it as an anti-semitic statement? Just based on the argumentation of this posting

Member

Hilo, You are an anti semite!

Member

Hilo: you are troll.
HS regulars: stop helping trolls do their dirty work.
(BTW, Zuben est omen: self-plug on the way… And I’ll bet 10 fillérs “Hilo” is latest mutant of “Doggo”… )

Guest

I answer anybody I feel like. Risk of helping a troll – too bad.

Guest

“Mr. Botka, the would-be candidate of MSZP for Minister President summarised his agenda for the next term: “Let’s make the riches pay”

Why not to declare it as an anti-semitic statement? Just based on the argumentation of this posting”

Everybody knows that the richest people in Hungary are not jews. They are the Fidesz inner circle.

Hilo
Guest

MSZP and former SZDSZ circles have had decades to steal everything. Just they called it privatisation. The only reason to cease it was the restless privatisation of state property for themselves. Then came the Tube line 4, the biggest corruption case ever detected by the EU anticorruption board (OLOF)

Guest

Other people’s (purported) crimes in other place or at other times don’t justify crimes committed here and now.

“Why am I to be punished when the other guy got away with it” is the standard argument for the perpetuation of crime. Who wants crime to be perpetuated?

Roderick Beck
Guest

Actually many prominent Fidesz politicians and members did extremely well as a result of privatization. Look at Maria Schmidt and her now deceased husband.

Hungary’s biggest failure was not opening up privatization to non-Hungarians and not doing it quickly. Czech Republic got a huge leap on Hungary because privatization happened sooner.

Much of the money paid out during Metro 4 occurred during the Orbán administration.

Observer
Guest

Hilo

Yours is complete BS, standard Fid lies.

You name how many got rich in the privatizations.
You name a single one existing exclusively on gov contracts.
You name one other Mèszaros/Orban in the world.

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘Fidesz inner circle’

Little by little we have been seeing much of the Fideszian cloak and dagger stuff getting into the light of day.

Surely the ‘circle’ has to get exhausted down the line in trying to fashion constant and coherent ‘defenses’ against the West, migrants, EU , CEU, etc etc etc from their rickety ramparts. Perhaps the CEU episode now can be seen as the result of a tired mistake where their policies are being shown for they exactly are in the ‘language’ they are speaking in. In that case Magyar isn’t a very difficult language at all to get the real sense out of it.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Is this a battle between the anti-Semites and the anti-Hungarians? (this is what it looks like from a distance . . . or is this only happening online?)

Hilo
Guest

Hungary is a relatively safe and tolerant country for the Jewish community. While in multi-cultural London the number of anti-semitic attacks has risen by 36% in the past year, there is nothing of special concern in Budapest. The dogfight between Soros and Orban is about supporting or opposing mass migration. Interestingly enough, Mr. Konrad, otherwise a defiant critics of Orban also supported him in this issue, protecting the interests of the local Jewish community

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Hilo,
Thanks for the clarification.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Melanie, stop posting with a fake Jewish name. By the way, the proper spelling is ‘Zubin”.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Roderick Beck,
Is that so? Now you are telling ME how to spell my name? 🙂
Just for the record: I’m NOT related to Zubin Mehta (conductor) 🙂

Roderick Beck
Guest

That is because the Hungarians so efficiently aided the Nazis in killing them.

Member

Melanie, You are anti semite AND anti hungarian!
The battle is between anti hungarian anti semites and decent people.
For me I can state:
I love Hungary, but I hate hungarian anti semitism.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Winston
This ongoing name-calling is soooooo yesterday! B O R I N G ! Would you please come up with a legitimate debate. Is it too much to ask to debate with style (without personal attacks)?

Roderick Beck
Guest

What is boring is people like yourself trying to change the topic from the issue at hand – does the Hungarian government harness Hungary’s long standing antisemitism for political purposes? PS: Hungary was one of the shining lights of antisemitism in the 20th century and one of the first to enact anti-Jewish legislation.

Member

MZ1: “Is this a battle between the anti-Semites and the anti-Hungarians?…”

MZ2: “This ongoing name-calling is soooooo yesterday! B O R I N G ! Would you please come up with a legitimate debate…”

Guest

No Malanie,
In Hungary, shockingly, it is normal to hear respectable looking people standing around on street corners, cafes, or anypublic place and loudly and shamelessly go on about Jews.

There my be too much PC in the UK and elsewhere, but in Hungary, thanks to Orbán, it is non-existent.

Observer
Guest

This Hilo/ Zuben BS gets pretty annoying:

Hungary was safe and not so intolerant for Jews, Schwabs, Serbian, leftists, conservatives, gays, etc until Orban came to the power.

Migration is just the latest avenue along which the regime whips up hatred, there were many others before. Mind you there are no migrants and very few Open Society funded NGOs. No matter: the ever lying Orban minions reacted to news on the ToHaz asylum appalling conditions with an article titled: Another assault on our country ? Soros is behind the organisation which claims …

What a tragic farce.

Bastiat2
Guest

Not one comment, so far, about Orbán about face concerning Russia.
One day Orbán stops all discussion with Russia about the new metro and the next Putin is his best buddy. Suspicious to say the least. Some of my friends in Hungary tell me that that was because he opposed Brussels and therefore needed a new ally. Not much choice: Erdogan or Putin.
On the other hand, I thought it was notorious that Orbán was using his son in law to acquire large wealth while remaining personally relatively “unrich”. Could this be leverage for blackmail if it is common knowledge?
If blackmail there is, then Orbán must have done something really crappy. Obviously not improbable.

Observer
Guest

Bastiat2

Forget about First Son in law Tiborcz who raked in a billion or so – peanuts by the Orban mafia standards.

Mèszaros/ Orban, after ripping off 100 billion in 2016, became officially the 5th richest person. Certainly more front men and secret accounts hold dozens of billions more, all embezzled public funds.

Hilo
Guest

Deals with Russia are not ideology-driven, just pure pragmatism. The most important economy partner has been Russia for decades, because of the known reasons. Hungary has built pipeline from Ural mountain facing our energy demands. Should we leave the pipe empty, and look for much more expensive gas sources just because we do not like Putin or Russian political system?

The same applies to nuclear plant. Nearly half of Hungarian electicity comes from a plant built by Russians a long time ago. It is scheduled to work with EU permissions until 2032 if I remember correctly. Should we demolish it? Or hire some other technical support from France? They tried to run the system for a period of time with disastrous consequences some years ago

Roderick Beck
Guest

Hungary exports virtually nothing to Russia and Russian investment compared to German. How about doing your homework before you begin the usual distortions

French nuclear power expertise is second to none. Certainly not inferior to Russia.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Western investment is an elephant compared to the flea called Russian investment.

Member

Today the trolls come out and show their faces.

Any denying, downplaying of anti semitism is anti semitic itself.
So far, we have the following anti semites under this post:

Rivarol
Hilo
Melanie Zuben

In 8 out of 21 comments.

Observer
Guest

I guess the Great Leader is nervous, there has been a series of failures and the propaganda machine has to blow more smoke.

petofi
Guest

If you had 10 billion salted away somewhere…would you be nervous?

Melanie Zuben
Guest

petofi,
If I had “10 billion stucked away somewhere” I would’not be “nervous”. I would make YOU “nervous”. 🙂

petofi
Guest

Melanie,
Have you misplaced your pills again?

Observer
Guest

Petofi

Orban has ripped the Hungarians of more than 10 billion, but he may have to run to Azerbajan or Kazakhstan in order to stay out of prison and not have his booty confiscated. Such prospectiv make one nervous. Kövèr said in 2002 “if we loose we are going to prison” and that was their age of innocence compared to now.
i bet hundreds of the bigger Fid thieves will be running with their loot if they loose power.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Winston,
Calling someone an “anti-Semite” is a very serious allegation. I expect an apology.

petofi
Guest

Picking at the scab of anti-semitism is to challenge a Hungarian’s favorite toy in his playpen…

Doggo
Guest

Quite something to talk about anti-semitism when many people in this community never criticize and never condemn Jobbik. I think a few days ago there were some who openly supported Jobbik and praised their rise in the polls. Just overjoyed that Jobbik gained in the poll numbers…

Remember this is the party which wanted a “list of Jews” a few years back, yet open support for them on this community is not rare.

If someone is openly happy that Jobbik gained in the polls, is that person not anti-semitic by default? If so there are quite a few of them within this community.

Member

Yes, Hungary has sunk so low, that one can be happy, if Jobbik gains support on the cost of Your much more extreme club, called Fidesz, Mr. Doggo, Hilo.

Doggo
Guest

“one can be happy, if Jobbik gains”

Winston are you a party member of Jobbik or just a regular antisemitic person? If there is any other interpretation of your comment, I can’t see it. Winston, do you support “lists for Jews” as Jobbik advocated?

Member

I support lists of Doggos.

Observer
Guest

Winston

Yes. In comparison to Orban’s fascist cleprocracy even the Jobbik looks better.

Roderick Beck
Guest

You are playing the Fidesz card that we have side to with Fidesz because the alternative is even worse. The focus of criticism is Fidesz because they run the country. And do so without virtually any checks on their power.

petofi
Guest

The similarity between Trump and Orban is that they both mock the democratic institutions of their country. Lessons of Pyutinism?

Doggo
Guest

I thought it was that both of them won the election.

Roderick Beck
Guest

Winning does not mean you are right. A pretty common mistake by right wing Hungarians have never studied political theory or even history.

aida
Guest

The same mistake has been made by the English by pretending that a peace threatening referendum result is ok because of a referendum vote. The first casualty will be the UK economy.
Napoleon imposed a blockade on the UK which inflicted serious damage. Are we about to see a repetition? In my view it would be richly deserved because clearly there is a definitive lesson the English must learn which is a realistic appreciation of their place in the pecking order.

petofi
Guest

It is precisely that winning means that you are right for Hungarians that every effort is expanded on cheating to attain it.

aida
Guest

You are mistaken, Trump would like to mock them but the American constitution was made by wise and learned men who knew they had to make a system that stood the test of having to deal with any powerful demagogue. Trump is going to be more or less ok. Orban devised his own system that suits him. He and his party are a serious menace not only to Hungary but to Europe.

petofi
Guest

@ aida

No, Trump will NEVER be ‘alright’.
Every 6 months Trump is in power probably means a gain of 20 billion dollars (on one hand) and the continuing encroachment of Russia into the Western democracies.

petofi
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One of the most laughable apologism concerning Orban is that he’s being blackmailed by Pyutin. This is the pinnacle of Hungarian cleverness…

Hilo
Guest

Putin blackmails everyone, most of all Trump. US bombing of Syrian military facilities was only to divert attention from it

petofi
Guest

Shut your trap, Hilo. Spread your shit somewhere else.

Orban is not blackmailed.

Guest

At the end of a perfect day let us sit down and enjoy a Hungarian joke:

Q: Why do the bees have a queen?
A: Because if they had a government there would be no honey.

aida
Guest

Muzzletoff

Guest

I had to google that one.

muzzletoff
i.e. mazel tov, lit. meaning “good fortune” in Hebrew and Yiddish. Jewish people use this expression to congratulate each other when something good happens, meaning something like good for you, well done, or congratulations.

A: I just passed my driving test.
B: Muzzletoff!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=muzzletoff

Observer
Guest

Love it. Tnx.

Guest

Just told this joke to my wife – her laugh was a bit “gequält” as we say in German.
And then she bemoaned those two “old Communists” Botka and Gyurcsany:
Don’t they realise that their time is up? They should clear the way for the next generation! Why can’t they leave the political scene – they are only baggage …

pantanifan
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I think Orbán knew in advance that he was going to attack Soros in the EU Parliament as a “financial speculator” and was worried about being called an anti-Semite. This was why he had Rogán Antal at his side as a precaution (“Look – some of my best friends are Jews”)

(Temporarily on loan from politics.hu!)

Ferenc
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Next time, hopefully soon, when the Hungarian government is ordered to come to the EU parliament, OV should be asked to introduce the staff he brought with him, name and function.
As follow-up Rogan could be asked how he sees his function, which politicians in the EU he knows with a similar task, and if he can recommend a separate group of, same as himself, ministers in the EU.
So similar to the EURO group with finance ministers, but in his case ministers of propaganda (possible task: promoting the EU).

Ferenc
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PS: before Rogan became “propaganda” minister, who used to accompany OV in EU institutions?

Guest
A bit OT but maybe relevant to the whole political situation between the USA, the EU and Russia – and of course Hungary. It seems I totally missed the “war” on Trump’s candidate for US ambassador to the EU – Mr Ted Malloch. This was all over the press early February because Malloch is a very outspoken enemy of the EU!: Economics professor Ted Malloch appeared as a guest on the late night political chat show, This Week, and when asked why he would want to be the US Ambassador to the EU when he didn’t like the institution he replied, “I had in a previous career a diplomatic post where I helped bring down the Soviet Union. So maybe there’s another union that needs a little taming.” He continued that the President of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker had been “very adequate mayor of some city in Luxembourg” to which he should return. http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/likely-us-ambassador-to-eu-wants-to-bring-down-institution wiki has not too much on him, he seems to be a very colourful person – like Trump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Malloch And now for something really funny: Because he’s connected to the Templeton Foundation (which gives oiut a lot of money – like Soros …) two… Read more »
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