Orbán is unhappy with the results of the French election

Last summer Viktor Orbán predicted that 2017 would be “the year of revolt.” People under the thumb of a liberal political elite incapable of understanding the real needs of the citizens would rebel in the voting booths and vote for right-wing parties like the Austrian Freedom Party, the German Alternative für Deutschland, the Dutch Party for Freedom and Democracy, and the French National Front of Marine Le Pen. Since then, three elections were held, and in all three cases Orbán’s predictions turned out to be wrong. There is one more to go: the German election in September, but the likelihood of AfD winning is about zero.

Since the stakes were highest in France, Emmanuel Macron’s win was perhaps the most disappointing for Orbán. He could hardly hide his bitter feelings in his very brief congratulatory letter to the new French president. While he was the first EU politician to congratulate President Recep Erdoğan on winning the referendum that endows the Turkish leader with practically unlimited power, Orbán was in no hurry in Macron’s case. The perfunctory letter is most likely a true reflection of Orbán’s feelings toward Macron’s victory. “I look forward to our cooperation and trust that in the future we will have the opportunity to further develop our bilateral relations and also to discuss our ideas with relation to the future of Europe.” President János Áder was a bit more expansive. He said in his letter that Hungary considers France an important ally; he talked about the “thriving relationship” that exists between the two countries, which he hopes will be further “enriched in the coming years.” He added that he hopes that he and Macron will have an opportunity to discuss these issues in person in the near future.

Over the years I have been collecting relevant articles on Hungary’s bilateral relations with other countries, but I never managed to find even one event that significantly furthered relations between France and Hungary. I remember only one visit of Orbán to France, in November 2010, when he more or less invited himself to several EU countries, allegedly to discuss matters pertaining to Hungary’s presidency beginning in January 2011. Today, the relationship isn’t exactly, to use Áder’s adjective, thriving.

Viktor Orbán was a great deal more cautious in the case of the French election than he had been in the U.S. election when he openly supported Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, whom he considered to be a disaster for Hungary. When Orbán was asked by reporters of Le Monde a couple of weeks before the election whether he supports Le Pen since the two share similar worldviews, Orbán was evasive. “My star among the candidates was François Fillon, whom I fully supported…. We worked together. We had our differences, but I still have an exchange of letters which is a basic document on modern friendship between men.” Orbán, as usual, might be overstating their friendship. He first met Fillon in November of 2010 when Fillon was prime minister of France. The meeting lasted less than an hour. By May 2012 Fillon resigned, after which he “retired” from politics.

Macron is an ardent supporter of the European Union and no friend of Viktor Orbán. Just the other day Macron said that the National Front’s “program of protectionism, isolationism, and nationalism leads to economic war, misery, and war in general.” It was at this point that the candidate said: “We all know who the friends and allies of Mrs. Le Pen are: Orbán, Kaczynski, and Putin. These aren’t regimes with an open and free society. Every day freedoms and rules are violated there along with our principles.”

István Lovas, a journalist with a checkered career who recently moved over to Magyar Idők as an “expert” on foreign affairs, doesn’t hide his antagonism for everything Macron stands for. Lovas is pro-Russian and by and large anti-American. He sang the praises of Donald Trump for a while, but lately he is no longer sure what he can expect from the new president. Lovas got the job of writing an article on the French election. He opted for a press review of sorts on Macron’s victory, which was an easy way to keep his opinions of the man to himself. Quoting Ryan Heath, the author of “Playbook Plus,” a regular feature of Politico, he stressed that Macron is “shell-shocked” because of the difficulties he is facing. And there is “Macron mania in Brussels.” French people voted for him just because they were against Le Pen. Not outright unfriendly, but Lovas’s disappointment is clear.

His deepest feelings are normally reserved for a blog in which he writes scores of short notes on his readings in the Russian, American, German, and French press. A day before the election he quoted Russia Today, which pointed out that Libération broke the campaign silence imposed on the French press by running an ad for Macron. Lovas introduced this bit of news with: “This is how liberal villains break the French campaign silence.” If one goes to the source, it’s not at all certain that Libération broke the law. But some people on Twitter thought it had.

A few hours later he quoted Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten in a misleading fashion. In the Lovas version, “the campaign team of Macron said to be victim of a hacker attack” (Macron választási csapata hekkertámadás áldozatának mondta magát). The original states that “Emmanuel Macron’s campaign team announced later Friday night that it had become the victim of a massive hacker attack” (Das Wahlkampfteam von Emmanuel Macron teilte am späten Freitagabend mit, dass es Opfer eines massiven Hackerangriffs geworden sei). The Hungarian version intimates that the campaign team’s claim might not be true. The German original is a simple statement of fact. Moreover, the title of Lovas’s note is: “French authorities: No one should dare publish information on Macron acquired by hackers,” which, though true, subtly suggests that the French authorities were suppressing important evidence in favor of Macron and thereby were working against Le Pen.

In his last note Lovas quoted an American publication called The Gateway Pundit, according to which “Macron Busted! Lied about Tax Evasion?” For those (like me) who were unfamiliar with this source, Wikipedia describes it as “a conservative political blog…. It is allied with Donald Trump and elements of the alt-right and extreme right in American politics and is often linked to or cited by Fox News, Drudge Report, Sarah Palin and other well-known conservative people and sites. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes.” It’s depressing that István Lovas, the foreign policy “expert” of the foremost government paper in Hungary, receives his information from publications like The Gateway Pundit. Foreign news is filtered through people like Lovas before it reaches the readers of Magyar Idők and other government media outlets.

I suspect that a propaganda campaign against Macron will start soon enough. Such a strong supporter of European integration and an enemy of nationalism will by definition be a foe of Viktor Orbán.

May 8, 2017
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old1956
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Correction: Russia is unhappy.

Viva France!

Doggo
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” Since then, three elections were held, and in all three cases Orbán’s predictions turned out to be wrong.”

Do you have a source where Orban predicted the names of the winners of three elections in advance? At what date was this said at what forum. Seems like a pretty fantastical claim that looks completely false on its face at first sight.

Ferenc
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This picture may petrify the Fidesz gang or at least give them the creeps.

wrfree
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Hehe right on! Art school: Sailing under the Black Flag…or …. Another example of Magyar optimism as it suns itself in the seas of Neptune….

‘The rougher the seas, the smoother we sail. We sing in the lifeboats!’👍

Guest

You are on the wrong track.The substrate painting is the Raft of Medusa by Géricault. They didn’t sing on that raft.

wrfree
Guest

That’s funny though. Why is Pete smiling ‘? Looks to me he and the boys are unoblivious as pretty soon they will descend oblivion.

Ferenc
Guest

I have the image from an album by The Pogues called “Rum Sodomy & the Lash” (after a quote from Churchill), and they surely were singing on it!!! Highly Recommended!!

wrfree
Guest

Says it all..as expressing the state of the Magyar state. Can it be saved?

Guest

The French media did not report on the details of the hackind of Emmanuel Macron’s servers because in France, a political news curfew starts the weekend of the election, only to end Sunday 20:00 when the voting is over. It seems the Russians (since evidence already points to them) missed that rule and the hacking was ultimately without effect because the release of supposedly controversial information was too late. The French-speaking media in Belgium however is not subject to this curfew rule and briefly reported on the hacking. It seems the actual data released on the Internet was not controversial after all, which prompted far-right “commentators” to publish false information to discredit Macron. But then again, it missed its target.

Marine Le Pen did the most damage to herself during last week’s TV debate when she destroyed the respectful image she’d been trying to give to Front national over the past 5 years. At that moment, many French voters realized FN hadn’t changed and the hacking / release of fake news could not have had much effect anyways.

LwiiH
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Additionally the hacked data was salted with misinformation. You lose again doggo. Your puppet masters finger prints are all over this.

Zsuzsa
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Vive la France!

Marco
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Attention. Deutsche Wirtschaftsnachrichten isn’t a trustworthy source. Promotes RTlike stuff, owned by an Austrian fpö-man.

Guest

Marco is right – DWN is “alt right” (pun intended …), almost like breitbart!

O and his Fidesz minions have shown their real faces by supporting Marine who really is a fascist at heart like her father, even if she tried to hide it – she and her Front National didn’t really change/soften, it was all meant to “throw sand in the eyes of the people”.

Luckily the democratic and civilsed countries in Europe are no longer in the danger of a fascist “revolution”/takeover like in the 1930s – the “Balkan” including Poland and Hungary etc however is still at risk. The three factors of the Communist history which keepes these countries back, the Russian influence and what petofi might call their genetically ingrained anti-democratic tradition work together here.

I always thought that the economic advances in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, might also lead to more democracy – am I wrong?

Observer
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Wolfi

“O et al have show their real faces by supporting Marine ..”

Le Pen/FN may be far right by European standards, but they are far from the hatemongering fascist cleprocracy of Orban’s regime.
The French wouldn’t stand for a 10% of Orban’s s..t, look what happened to Fillon for two minor jobs. Mèszaros et al would have been on the pitchforks long ago.

webber
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Lovas started cherry-picking b.s. from no-name American newspapers under the first Orbán govt. (1998-2002) when he had a column in Magyar Nemzet (then a Fidesz paper). He has not stopped since then. His show on Echo T.V. is as unwatchable as Zsolt Bayer’s. Almost nobody tunes into those shows, and I mean nobody (just look at their ratings). Neither Lovas nor Bayer would be allowed anywhere near television in a country with media that depends on market advertising revenue. They are on t.v. because someone in Fidesz likes them, and the government regularly slips money to their t.v. station in the form of advertising from government companies.

Karl Pfeifer
Guest

Fidesz has tried until now to see itself as the savior of Hungary threatened by an extreme right Jobbik. Despite the fact, that Fidesz and Jobbik share ideologically a lot.
Now one can read almost daily in “Magyar Idök” about the biggest worry of Fidesz, that Jobbik will not anymore be extreme right, but try to be a mainstream party.
Funny that you find an open letter (in this Fidesz rag) to Frans Timmerman because he dared to speak about Orbán’s antisemitism. Magyar Idök is praising at the same time a poster campaign, reminding of Nazi propaganda against Jews. A Nazi paper showed in 1942 Stalin as a puppet in the hand of a Jew. The Fidesz-Fidelitas poster seen everywhere in Hungary shows George Soros handling the leader of MSZP László Botka as his puppet. Of course, one does not have to mention in Hungary, that György Soros is Jewish.

Member

Fidelitas is many things, but certainly not original. Between the two rounds of the 1998 Hungarian election, unnamed people, almost certainly linked to the MSZP and their sidekick, the SZDSZ, began plastering the country with posters portraying Orban as a marionette controlled by sneering puppet masters that looked a lot like Jozsef Torgyan (remember him?) and Istvan Csurka.

The poster didn’t work too well for them.

Observer
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As noted before, Orban’s forays on the international scene have been a total failure, at a significant economic cost.
He personally may be viewing the world from Felcsut, but it ever more obvious that in his regime the sycophants are preferred over the experts ( Pröhle, Nèmeth, Màrthonyi).

Eva,
I.Lovas is a straight fascist and a bit unbalanced bully. I haven’t seen any white squares to make his career “checkered”, so why waste your time with him.

wrfree
Guest

Re: Magyar journalism… The new ‘reporting’

‘A free press can be good or bad, but, most certainly, without freedom a press will never be anything but bad’.
Camus

Magyarorszag…. in baaaadd shape. Consistently going from bad to worse in the journalistic endeavours. Truth looks as if its gone on hiatus for a long while buried in the million-fold sentences scribbled each day. Could be a lost art to write one nowadays.

Observer
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OT

Amazing haul of ancient human finds unveiled
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39842975

But we still have the “creationists” and other assorted i….ts who wants us to believe that the Earth is 10 000 y.o., if not flat.

Guest

Just go to the USA and visit the Creation Museum and the “Replica” of Noah’s Ark – they’ll explain it to you there …
https://creationmuseum.org/
and
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676331/Noah-s-ark-attraction-built-Australian-creationist-set-open-Kentucky.html
Btw if you believe them the Earth is only 6000 years old …

wrfree
Guest

One of these days I will have to check it out. I’m pretty near it now.

Going to be interesting here in Bible/Christian/Religious studies down the road say in about a few millennia if we’re still around with this ‘Ark’ business.

Would have to say it wouldn’t be surprising for some to point to those Ark artifacts then as the actual planks from the original one back in the ‘olden days’. And hey in Kentucky no less! And some even came are from Noah’s saw!! And the archaeo groundbreaking starts here in the 21st.
What are people going to know 2 million years hence anyways?
😎

Ferenc
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OT
How EU-funded projects secretly contributed to Orbán family’s enrichment
http://www.direkt36.hu/en/2017/05/09/rejtett-allami-munkakbol-is-jott-penz-az-orban-csalad-gyorsan-szerzett-milliardjaihoz/

Just some points:
-in 2015 Dolomit Kft. made 30% profit (after tax)
-involvement of Orbán-companies in several state projects, mostly EU funded
-companies not winners of public tenders, but participated as suppliers of the companies contracted by the state

A commenter recently asked: “Do you have proof for his stolen billions?”
My return question: Is the article sufficient convincing proof of Orbán’s stealing?
(30% profit! In materials for construction projects, come on)

ambator
Member

It is quite lucky actually, isn’t it, that Macron has never even heard of Lovas, but if he had, would’ give a damn about him, whatever sources he may be using to lie about him. Macron has gotten elected in a spectacular fashion, while Lovas is a some time contributor to a government mouth piece with a 4500 circulation. Now ain’t that too bad?

Doggo
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” Since then, three elections were held, and in all three cases Orbán’s predictions turned out to be wrong.”

To the author of the post: Do you have a source for your claim that Orban predicted the names of the winners of three elections in advance? At what date did he predict the names of winners at what venue? Thanks in advance for replying.

Istvan
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Orban is much like the Wizard of OZ, he knows all.

aida
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The first paragraph of Eva’s post seems to me to cover the point

Istvan
Guest

Interesting article on some parents who placed their children at gödi Topházat which was discussed on the blog the other day. For those who read Hungarian see https://mno.hu/belfold/otven-serult-gyerekre-ket-szakember-jut-2398141

Doggo
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On the topic of the French election : it is excellent news that Macron has won. This is evidence that foreign interference or attempts at foreign interference can get crushed rather easily. In fact it is very likely that the nation of France was enraged at the attempts to interfere with their election.

This is great news because it serves as a warning for anyone who is thinking about interfering in the upcoming elections of Hungary. There will be a forceful crackdown of agents trying to interfere in Hungarian elections by the electorate. The electorate will violently reject parties which do not forcefully condemn abusive foreign interference such as meddling and mass financing by Soros and others.

The days of open and admitted interference in foreign elections are coming to an end, no matter whether the oligarch Soros tries it or a Russian oligarch or other person would try it. Macron won an even greater victory than previously predicted.

I see this as proof that anyone who was planning to interfere with the Hungarian elections by funding agents or other means will not be successful.

aida
Guest

His Master’s Voice. N’est pas?

Member

I spent the time of the presidential elections in France. For the majority of French, the Le Pens are anathema. But she and the Communist-speaking Mélenchon received relatively high percentages in the areas where unemployment is high. They are both considered pro-Russian in foreign policy.

Member

Interesting parallel with the American election.
Both Clinton and Le Pen seemed to win [in my opinion] the presidential debate, but it was Trump and Macron who won the election.

aida
Guest

Well it seems in both cases you were wrong. You liked the ladies but the voters less so. Both are pretty strident and some people prefer a different approach. I am still in France and the relief that Le Pen is over for 5 years is tangible.

Ron
Guest

This French election is not over yet. Next month the Parliament Election will take place. Based upon that result we will know how strong the French President really is.

Further, according to Eva the Austrian Freedom Party, the Dutch Party for Freedom and Democracy, and Le Pen lost the elections. This is not the case all parties won considerable, but are not the largest yet.

Member

The two rounds: June 11 & June 18.

Member

“Front national” results:

2009 European election: 6.3%
2014 European election: 24.9%

2011 cantonal elections: 15.1%
2015 departmental election: 25.2%

2010 regional election (still with father Jean-Marie on the top), 1st round: 11.4%
2015 regional election, 1st round: 27.7%

2012 presidential election, 1st round (Marion Le Pen) : 17.9%
2017 presidential election, 1st round: 21.3%
2017 presidential, 2nd round: 33.9%

2012 legislative election, 1st round: 13.6%
2017 legislative election, 1st round: ???

Guest

In all democracies there is a certain potential for extremist votes – people who are really unhappy, not only/necessary fascists which of course also exist. I’d say that around 10 to 15% belong to this group.
In “less important” elections like for the EU parliament the number of protest votes is often higher.
And for presidential elections (like in Austria” with only tw alternatives the situarion is similar or even more extreme.

A real proportional election like we generally have in Germany with more alternatives is totally different.

Ron
Guest

Like in Hungary, in France there is a district election, so the outcome can vary significantly compared to the election percentages.

Talking about elections did you hear that the Police did not see a crime in sending the information regarding the “Referendum” or as they call it the National Consultation, to the Russian Servers. Apparently, there is no financial gain. Yeah sure.
https://mno.hu/belfold/nem-buncselekmeny-szemelyes-adatokat-kiadni-az-oroszoknak-2398056

Ferenc
Guest

“Le Pen won the presidential debate (in your opinion)”
Well in your opinion you might be true, but all articles/reports/etc I have read/watched/heard about it had a completely different opinion.
Only supporters/helpers/partymembers of Le Pen claimed otherwise.

Member

Le Pen’s epithet is “l’ennemie de la République”.

I met several people who did not like Macron’s promised policies (“candidat du monde de la finance”), do not like the “maghrébins”, but still went to vote against Le Pen as a civic duty.

Member

May 9, 10 PM:

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, niece of National Front leader and defeated presidential candidate Marine Le Pen and MP of Vaucluse will not stand for reelection.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/presidentielles/2017/05/09/35003-20170509ARTFIG00176-fn-marion-marechal-le-pen-envisage-de-renoncer-a-ses-mandats.php

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