A European Union first: Article 7(1) on the table

Headlines like “MEPs slam Hungary, call on EU to explore sanctions,” “EU Parliament demands action on Hungary’s rule of law,” and “MEPs vote to start democracy probe on Hungary” have appeared today in the western media. The novelty of today’s vote is that this is the first time that members of the European Parliament deemed the situation in a member country serious enough to justify “the triggering of the procedure which may result in sanctions for Hungary.” The resolution adopted calls for launching Article 7(1), which instructs the Committee of Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (LIBE) to draw up a formal resolution for a plenary vote. At the same time, it calls on “the Hungarian government to repeal laws tightening rules against asylum-seekers and non-governmental organizations, and to reach an agreement with the US authorities, making it possible for Central European University to remain in Budapest as a free institution.” It instructs the European Commission to strictly monitor the use of EU funds by the Hungarian government. At the end of this post you can read the complete text of the resolution.

In order to understand the mechanism that this EP vote has triggered, here is the text of Article 7 of the Treaty on European Union.

  1. On a reasoned proposal by one third of the Member States, by the European Parliament or by the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2. Before making such a determination, the Council shall hear the Member State in question and may address recommendations to it, acting in accordance with the same procedure. The Council shall regularly verify that the grounds on which such a determination was made continue to apply.
  2. The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the European Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2 after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations.
  3. Where a determination under paragraph 2 has been made, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide to suspend certain of the rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council. In doing so, the Council shall take into account the possible consequences of such a suspension on the rights and obligations of natural and legal persons. The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State.
  4. The Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide subsequently to vary or revoke measures taken under paragraph 3 in response to changes in the situation which led to their being imposed.
  5. The voting arrangements applying to the European Parliament, the European Council and the Council for the purposes of this Article are laid down in Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

Thus, as you can see, it is unlikely that the Hungarian case will ever reach the European Council of member states. Even if it did, a unanimous vote against Hungary is most unlikely. If no one else, the current Polish government would prevent such an outcome.

The first reactions of the Hungarian government have tried to minimize the importance of what happened today in the European Parliament. But it doesn’t matter how we slice it, Hungary has achieved the dubious distinction of being the first object of an EP resolution that evokes Article 7 as a possibility. The pro-government media is upbeat. The government’s official news service–Híradó, for example–is absolutely certain that the proposal, even if it reaches the second stage of the process, which in their opinion is unlikely, will fail right there because it will not be able to garner a two-thirds majority.

Híradó may be right, but the symbolic value of the resolution shouldn’t be underestimated. Even though the few official statements try to make light of the adoption of the resolution, there will be consequences. For example, it is unlikely that the Hungarian government will flatly refuse the EP resolution’s demands. At least the press release from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade makes no mention of the Orbán government’s steadfast adherence to its current policies concerning Central European University and the still pending discriminatory piece of legislation against the NGOs. It only states that “despite the application of international pressure, the Government of Hungary is continuing to practice a migration policy that is exclusively aimed at ensuring the security of Hungary and the Hungarian people.” Or, as Szijjártó put it, “no matter what pressure they wish to apply on us” and no matter what reports the EP is asked to adopt, the Government of Hungary will continue to concentrate on the security of Hungary and the safety of the Hungarian people. Everyone can be certain that “not a single illegal immigrant will be allowed to set foot in Hungary.” But note that the Hungarian government has not so far commented on the other two demands.

Otherwise, I came to the conclusion that the government hasn’t decided yet on the next steps to take in its battle with the European Union. At least György/George Schöpflin, a member of the EP Fidesz delegation, in an interview with Ildikó Csuhaj of ATV, said that “they are waiting for what the government will tell them about the strategy to follow.” On the other hand, the government seems to have decided how to package the EP resolution for domestic consumption. As Szijjártó and later Balázs Hidvéghi, spokesman for Fidesz, said, “We’ve had the Tavares Report, now comes the Soros Report.” This resolution is “a new attack on Hungary by George Soros’s network.” Hidvéghi tried to make Soros responsible for this humiliating defeat by calling attention to his “personal lobbying against Hungary” and labeling those MEPs who voted for the resolution as being in the pay of Soros. But, of course, most sane people know that the real reason for the resolution is Viktor Orbán’s behavior, which more and more EU politicians believe is a danger to the integrity of the European Union. Perhaps the last straw was Orbán’s ill-conceived decision to launch an openly anti-EU campaign, plastering “Stop Brussels!” posters all over the country and issuing his latest anti-EU “national consultation,” whose six points were all brazen lies. An article that appeared a few hours ago in Magyar Nemzet outlines how Orbán’s policies eventually created a situation in which 31% of the members of the European People’s Party, to which Fidesz belongs, voted for the resolution. A few years ago only the Swedes and the Luxembourgians wanted to have sanctions against the Orbán government, but by now the Dutch, the Belgians, the Irish, the Poles, and many others have joined their ranks.

The resolution was adopted with 393 votes in favor, 221 opposed, and 64 abstentions. The left, liberal, green and radical left delegations, which wrote the resolution, have only 360 members, so they needed support from the European People’s Party. Of the 200 EPP members who were present, 67 of them voted for the resolution and 40 abstained. The largest EPP contingent voting for the resolution was the Polish Civic Platform, the party of Donald Tusk, with 18 ‘yes’ votes. From the large German contingent only two voted in favor. A list of all EPP members who supported the resolution appears in an article published by 24.hu.

Viktor Orbán a year ago or so envisaged a European-wide revolt similar to the one he has engineered in Hungary over the last seven years. But so far voters in the rest of Europe, with the notable exception of Great Britain, don’t think that an Orbán-type return to the old Europe of nation states is a viable alternative. In fact, in the Netherlands and in France there was a liberal upsurge. No populist revolt has succeeded thus far, and, as Miklós Merényi said on k.blog.hu, what happened in the European Parliament in Strasbourg was “the price of [Viktor Orbán’s] revolt.”

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European Parliament

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Provisional edition

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Situation in Hungary

European Parliament resolution of 17 May 2017 on the situation in Hungary (2017/2656(RSP))

 The European Parliament,

  • having regard to the Treaty on European Union (TEU), in particular Articles 2, 6 and 7 thereof,
  • having regard to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, in particular Articles 4, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18 and 21 thereof,
  • having regard to the European Convention on Human Rights and the case-law of the European Court of Human Rights, in particular cases Szabó and Vissy Hungary, Karácsony and Others v. Hungary, Magyar Keresztény Mennonita Egyház and Others  v. Hungary, Baka v. Hungary, and Ilias and Ahmed v. Hungary,
  • having regard to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to the numerous United Nations human rights treaties which are binding on all the Member States,
  • having regard to the Commission communication of 11 March 2014 entitled ‘A new EU Framework to strengthen the Rule of Law’ (COM(2014)0158),
  • having regard to its resolutions of 16 December and 10 June 2015 on the situation in Hungary, of 3 July 2013 on the situation of fundamental rights: standards and practices in Hungary, of 16 February 2012 on the recent political developments in Hungary and of 10 March 2011 on media law in Hungary,
  • having regard to the hearing on the situation in Hungary held on 27 February 2017 by its Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs,
  • having regard to the plenary debate on the situation in Hungary of 26 April 2017
  • having regard to the Rome Declaration of the leaders of 27 Member States and of the European Council, the European Parliament and the European Commission of 25 March 2017;
  • having regard to Act CLXVIII of 2007 on the promulgation of the Lisbon Treaty amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community adopted by the Hungarian National Assembly on 17 December 2007;
  • having regard to Resolution 2162 (2017) of 27 April 2017 of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe entitled ‘Alarming developments in Hungary: draft NGO law restricting civil society and possible closure of the European Central University’
  • having regard to the statement by the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights of 8 March 2017 on Hungary’s new law allowing automatic detention of asylum seekers, and his letter to the Speaker of the National Assembly of Hungary of 27 April 2017 with a call to reject the proposed draft law on foreign-funded NGOs
  • having regard to the Commission’s decision to open infringement proceedings against Hungary concerning the act amending the National Higher Education Act, as well as other pending and forthcoming infringement procedures against Hungary;
  • having regard to the Commission response to the Hungarian National Consultation ‘Stop Brussels’;
  • having regard to the visit of Commissioner Avramopoulos to Hungary on 28 March 2017,
  • having regard to the letter of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs to Vice-President Timmermans requesting the Commission’s opinion on the compliance of the act amending certain acts related to strengthening the procedure conducted in the guarded border area with the provisions of the Union asylum acquis, and as regards the Charter of Fundamental Rights when implementing the measures mentioned in this act,
  • having regard to Rule 123(2) of its Rules of Procedure,
  • whereas the European Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of people belonging to minorities, and whereas these values are universal and common to the Member States (Article 2 of the TEU);
  • whereas the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union is part of EU primary law that prohibits discrimination based on any grounds such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation
  • whereas Hungary has been a Member State of the European Union since 2004, and whereas, according to opinion polls, a large majority of Hungarian citizens are in favour of the country’s EU membership;
  • whereas the Charter provides that the arts and scientific research shall be free of constraint and that academic freedom shall be respected; whereas it also guarantees the freedom to found educational establishments with due respect for democratic principles;
  • whereas the freedom of association should be protected, and whereas a vibrant civil society sector plays a vital role in promoting public participation in the democratic process and the accountability of governments towards their legal obligations, including the protection of fundamental rights, the environment and anti-corruption;
  • whereas the right to asylum is guaranteed, with due respect for the rules of the Geneva Convention of 28 July 1951 and the Protocol thereto of 31 January 1967 relating to the status of refugees, and in accordance with the TEU and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU);
  • whereas 91,54 % of asylum applications in 2016 were rejected; whereas since 2015 new laws and procedures adopted in Hungary in the field of asylum have forced all asylum seekers to enter Hungary through a transit zone on Hungarian territory that allows access to a limited number of people per day, e.g. 10 at the moment; whereas NGOs have repeatedly reported that migrants at Hungary’s borders are being summarily forced back to Serbia, in some cases with cruel and violent treatment, without consideration of their claims for protection; whereas the Hungarian Government has failed to fulfil its obligations to relocate asylum seekers in accordance with EU law;
  • whereas the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Council of Europe has declared that ‘due to sweeping changes introduced in Hungary in asylum law and practice over recent months, asylum seekers returned there run a considerable risk of being subject to human rights violations’ in relation to the written observations he submitted on 17 December 2016 to the European Court of Human Rights regarding two complaints against Austria concerning the transfer of applicants from Austria to Hungary under the Dublin III Regulation;
  • whereas 11 refugees, referred to as the ‘Röszke 11’, present on 16 September 2016, the day after Hungary closed its border with Serbia, have been charged with committing an act of terror and sentenced to prison, including Ahmed H., a Syrian resident in Cyprus sentenced to 10 years in prison in an unfair trial in November 2016 on the sole grounds of using a megaphone to ease tensions and of throwing three objects at the border police;
  • whereas since the adoption of its resolution of 16 December 2015, concerns have been raised about a number of issues, namely the use of public spending, attacks against civil society organisations and human rights defenders, the rights of asylum seekers, mass surveillance of citizens, freedom of association, freedom of expression, media pluralism and the closure of the newspaper Népszabadság, Roma rights, including the eviction of Roma in Miskolc and segregation of Roma children in education, LGBTI rights, women’s rights, the judiciary system, including the possibility to hand down a sentence of life imprisonment without parole, the forced eviction of Hungarian NGOs Roma Parliament and Phralipe Independent Gypsy Organisation from their headquarters, and the risk of closure of the Lukács Archives;
  • whereas the content and the language used in the national consultation ‘Stop Brussels’ – a national consultation on immigration and terrorism and the accompanying  advertisingcampaigns by the government – are highly misleading and biased;
  • whereas in the case of Szabó and Vissy Hungary the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Hungarian legislation on secret anti-terrorist surveillance introduced in 2011 had been a violation of the right to respect for private and family life, the home and correspondence; whereas in the case of Ilias and Ahmed v. Hungary the Court found a violation of the right to liberty and security, the right to have an effective remedy concerning the conditions in the Röszke transit zone and the right to be protected from inhuman or degrading treatment as regards the applicants’ expulsion to Serbia; whereas in the case of Baka v. Hungary the Court ruled that Hungary had violated the right to a fair trial and the freedom of expression of András Baka, the former President of the Hungarian Supreme Court;
  • whereas the most recent developments in Hungary, namely the act amending certain acts related to increasing the strictness of procedures carried out in the areas of border management and asylum, the act amending the National Higher Education Act, which poses a direct threat to the Central European University and which has triggered large public disapproval, and the proposed Act on the Transparency of Organisations Receiving Support from Abroad (Hungarian Parliament Bill T/14967) have given rise to concerns regarding their compatibility with EU law and the Charter of Fundamental Rights;
  1. Recalls that the values enshrined in Article 2 TEU must be upheld by all EU Member States;
  2. Regrets that the developments in Hungary have led to a serious deterioration of the rule of law, democracy and fundamental rights over the past few years, inter alia, freedom of expression, academic freedom, the human rights of migrants, asylum seekers and refugees, freedom of assembly and association, restrictions and obstructions to the activities of civil society organisations, the right to equal treatment, the rights of people belonging to minorities, including Roma, Jews and LGBTI people, social rights, the functioning of the constitutional system, the independence of the judiciary and of other institutions and many worrying allegations of corruption and conflicts of interest, which, taken together, could represent an emerging systemic threat to the rule of law in this Member State; believes that Hungary is a test for the EU to prove its capacity and willingness to react to threats and breaches of its own founding values by a Member State; notes with concern that developments in some other Member States show worrying signs of similar undermining of the rule of law as in Hungary;
  3. Calls on the Hungarian Government to engage in a dialogue with the Commission on all issues mentioned in this resolution, in particular the human rights of migrants, asylum seekers and refugees, freedom of association, freedom of education and academic research, segregation of Roma in education, and protection of pregnant women in work; reiterates that both sides should engage in such a dialogue in an impartial, evidence- based and cooperative way; calls on the Commission to keep Parliament informed of its assessments;
  4. Expresses its concerns at the latest declarations and initiatives by the Hungarian Government, in particular as regards maintaining the ‘Stop Brussels’ consultation campaign and the investigative measures targeting foreign employees of the Central European University, as well as the statements by the leaders of the ruling party opposing any legislative change addressing the recommendations made by EU institutions and international organisations; regrets that such signals do not demonstrate a clear commitment by the Hungarian authorities to fully ensuring that its actions comply with EU primary and secondary law;
  5. Calls on the Commission to strictly monitor the use of EU funds by the Hungarian Government, in particular in the fields of asylum and migration, public communication, education, social inclusion, and economic development, so as to ensure that any co- financed project is fully compliant with both EU primary and secondary law;
  6. Calls on the Hungarian Government in the meantime to repeal the act amending certain acts related to increasing the strictness of procedures carried out in the areas of border management and asylum and the act amending the National Higher Education Act, and to withdraw the proposed Act on the Transparency of Organisations Receiving Support from Abroad (Hungarian Parliament Bill T/14967);
  7. Urges the Hungarian Government to immediately suspend all deadlines in the act amending the National Higher Education Act, to start immediate dialogue with the relevant US authorities in order to guarantee the future operations of the Central European University issuing US-accredited degrees, and to make a public commitment that the university can remain in Budapest as a free institution;
  8. Regrets that the Commission did not respond to Parliament’s call to activate its EU framework to strengthen the rule of law, as contained in its resolutions of 10 June 2015 and 16 December 2015 on the situation in Hungary, in order to prevent, through a dialogue with the Member State concerned, an emerging systemic threat to the rule of law from escalating further; takes the view that the current approach taken by the Commission focuses mainly on marginal, technical aspects of the legislation while ignoring the trends, patterns and combined effect of measures on the rule of law and fundamental rights; believes that infringement proceedings, in particular, have failed in most cases to lead to real changes and to address the situation more broadly;
  9. Believes that the current situation in Hungary represents a clear risk of a serious breach of the values referred to in Article 2 of the TEU and warrants the launch of the Article 7(1) TEU procedure;
  10. Instructs its Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs therefore to initiate the proceedings and draw up a specific report with a view to holding a plenary vote on a reasoned proposal calling on the Council to act pursuant to Article 7(1) of the TEU, in accordance with Rule 83 of its Rules of Procedure;
  11. Reiterates the need for a regular process of monitoring and dialogue involving all Member States in order to safeguard the EU’s fundamental values of democracy, fundamental rights and the rule of law, involving the Council, the Commission and Parliament, as put forward in its resolution of 25 October 2016 on the establishment of an EU mechanism on democracy, the rule of law and fundamental rights (DRF Pact) and also to avoid double standards;
  12. Instructs its President to forward this resolution to the Commission and the Council, to the President, Government and Parliament of Hungary, and to the governments and parliaments of the Member States and the Council of Europe.
May 17, 2017
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old1956
Guest

Let us see if the heroic Hungarian people can liberate Hungary from all the Russian moles in Hungary.

dos929
Guest

….Too little and too late… Very much so! In the meantime Orban and his gang managed to destroy the very fabric of the Hungarian society right under the nose of the EU leaders, who by their appeasement policy basically became tools in Orban achieving his goals. Let’s be realistic and acknowledge that no matter what the EU decides, this regime is here to stay, as nothing short of a revolution can get rid of them. What kind of blind fools were and are still sitting in those decision making chairs of the EU, to whom not Orban actions, not the Tavares and Scheppele reports opened their eyes and ears, and who ignored the hundreds of alarm bells of the past 7 years? Like from a cornered mad dog, we can only expect worse things to come from this regime, the representatives of which care about the well being of their own citizens as much as the North Korean dictatorship of theirs.

Guest

I don’t think the EU as a whole was blind nor fool: Angela Merkel and the German EPP members who are still supportive of Orbán and who made sure he could carry on his policies pretty much undisturbed are still putting all their weight in to preserve Hungary. But I do agree with you: it’s too late to attempt anything against Hungary now that the Law and Order party now is in power in Poland and that they will make sure Article 7 is never activated.

wrfree
Guest
Re: those ‘alarm bells’ of the past 7 years.. You know the EP may have some fine political scientists, diplomats etc etc and perhaps even good firemen. Trouble is they heard the blaring sirens alright however it took them quite awhile to fly down the firehouse pole and concentrate themselves to fight scenes of political devastation within what were once fairly sturdy democratic institutions. Arguably today we can say that hesitation has brought on a charred and denuded democratic landscape. It is virtually unrecognizable from its recent past due to the speed of destruction in its smouldering. And it only took 7 years. It remains to be seen how Article 7 will in some shape or form hold back and repair the deliberate regression of Magyar political life. Yes, the ‘genie is out of the bottle’ and the EU must be continually faced with a ‘bad boy’ who already has gone off the rails in a sense. Recalcitrance with just a a bit ‘reconciliation’ thrown in every now and then will now be its hallmark in its relationship to the EU. In the last few years, tag team of Poland, Magyarorszag and Russia ( and there are few more that… Read more »
Pole
Guest

Eva is right Poland will block it anyway. But I don’t agree that wave of populism in Europe is stopped. Other Eastern European countries will follow Hungary and Poland.

Ferenc
Guest

The current Polish government will block. So the question is how stable are they?
Is there in Poland a chance that opposition forces in the society, against the current policies, will have soon influence in parliament? And cause outvoting the current government, so it will be sent away?

Tyrker
Guest

Not anytime soon. The next General Elections are scheduled for Autumn 2019. And support for PiS is pretty stable.

Pole
Guest

Tyrker told you about date of elections so only hope is decomposition of ruling party. Not now but revolutionist nature of Law and Order politics make it always possible. And even if support for Law and Order is stable the main opposition force PO is currently having very similar results in polls what makes ruling party very nervous.

Member

Perhaps the most telling result of this vote is that the fascists have lost support of more than half of the EPP. Including hia own representatives, Orban managed to garner only 81 from a total of 216 MEPS.

Pretty impressive work from the fat dictator to manage to lose so much support in the space of 7 years.
Does it matter? Well…. it is certainly good to see there are some even on the Right prepared to take a vote of conscience against the fascist regime

Zsuzsa
Guest

too late. the genie is out of the bottle.

Ferenc
Guest

no problem if it will float into vacuum

Zsuzsa
Guest

the vacuum is what the feral genie brought.

tappanch
Guest

Conversation in the US Senate on June 15, 2016 :

Sen McCarthy : “There’s two people, I think, Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump”

Sen Ryan: “This is an off the record” “NO LEAKS”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2209/

Remark: Orban also paid Rohrabacher.

Istvan
Guest
Tappanch attempting to keep pace with the current situation in the USA is an impossibility, don’t even try. McCarthy sent out a tweet in response to the Washington Post article that reads: “This was an attempt at humor gone wrong. No surprise @WashingtonPost tried to contort this into breaking news.” It is simply impossible to keep pace with the numerous angles of the Russia investigation, this is going to continue for a long time. I have very particular immediate concerns relating to our national security at this time, as do other retired US Army officers I am in regular contact with. General H. R. McMaster who has been a point of stability was forced to defend President Trump’s release of highly classified information to the Russians in their White House discussions. In doing so he admitted Trump had no discussion with him prior to doing so about the implications of releasing that information. This is a nightmare situation for General McMaster who documented lies made by US generals for President Johnson in the lead up and deepening of our war in Vietnam in his book: Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, The Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies… Read more »
wrfree
Guest

Agree. We are in treacherous waters. I’d think our enemies are feasting on the chaos enveloping this administration almost every day. Putin, Lavriv et al lap this stuff up. One wonders where the next shoe will drop. And we need to keep on eye on the Baltics before ‘they’ pull another fast one.

Let us hope we have leaders in the ranks who can apply stability to the ADD which apparently seems to have taken hold. The times are a changin’ once again.

Ferenc
Guest

For those, like me, who don’t know what the mentioned Tavares Report is about, have a look here:
https://theorangefiles.hu/the-tavares-report/

Tyrker
Guest

“Thus, as you can see, it is unlikely that the Hungarian case will ever reach the European Council of member states. Even if it did, a unanimous vote against Hungary is most unlikely. If no one else, the current Polish government would prevent such an outcome.”

This is true. It would be foolish of the current government of Poland to vote against Hungary. They know they would be next.

tappanch
Guest

Details of the overwhelming control the Orban regime has over the media in 2017:

https://tldr.444.hu/2017/05/18/fideszmedia

tappanch
Guest

The chief editor of the very last opposition daily, Népszava was fired yesterday.

Will this newspaper be taken over by proxies of the Orban regime too ?

http://nepszava.hu/cikk/1129650-tavozik-a-nepszava-foszerkesztoje

wrfree
Guest

Re: overwhelming control …Orban regime… over media…

Sad to say Magyarorszag in the past decade provides an etiology and apt primer on the nuts and bolts of governmental media takeover for all global populists who wish to steer their political ship the VO way. It could have the legs if a best seller as it highlights the weaknesses of democracies when faced with their governments who behave as if ‘all is permitted’.

Ferenc
Guest

Most are now concentrating on the Article 7(1) launch, and leaving less attention for the other two items, the adopted resolution calls for: repeal of laws (incl.CEU remaining a free institution in Budapest) and strict monitoring of EU funds.
I think most involved should from now on fully work on these last two, so that these have immediate and maximum effect on the operation and policies of the HU goverment. Especially the very strict monitoring of funds is more than urgent, I mean when the funds are given out, the money is gone to who (OV?) knows where. Getting anything back later, if possible at all, will take a lot of time and meanwhile it has ben used for not acceptable purposes.

bimbi
Guest

Slightly OT: Orban/Fidesz running scared.

Following the very clear advertising hoarding messages from Jobbik saying “You Work” and then showing pictures of government “leaders” under the title “They Steal”, it is clear that the government has really been hit hard.

This morning I passed a hoarding with “They Steal” plastered over with a large black banner saying (unsurprisingly) “They Work” – the pictures being of Orban and Rogan. I guess they do – they work at where their next € 1,000,000 is coming from! Sure looks as if a lot of taxpayer money and a big team of workers is going into this damage to legitimate advertisements.

Orban and Fidesz are scared alright – running scared.

Guest

Re the “appeasement” policies of the EU, especially the German CDU/CSU who voted for Orbán again right now:
There are several aspects to this. First the Christian parties want their cooperation partners in Hungary to stay in power just as the want to stay in power themselves so for themit’s better to be not too aggressive.
Secondly Mrs Merkel and her people have often criticised the Fidesz government but they are still hoping to reign them in somehow.
And last not least Hungary is a good partner in the economy, many German companies have factories here as you surely know.
On the other hand Hungary is really a “Nebenkriegsschauplatz”, not very important in the EU if you look at it globally. (Someone else might say: a sh***y little country …)
My favourite point here are the packages that we buy at Lidl or Aldi here in Hungary – whether it’s food, electronics or something for the dog, the description is usually in 10 or even 20 languages – so how important is Hungary to the producer?

Member

Fidesz reaction to the resolution of the EU Parliament:

“We do not have to change the anti-CEU law”

https://444.hu/2017/05/18/palkovics-az-ep-dontes-miatt-nem-kell-modositani-a-felsooktatasi-torvenyt

“The resolution is a political attack and has zero chance to yield legal consequences.”

https://888.hu/article-semmi-esely-arra-hogy-az-ep-bunteto-hatarozatanak-jogi-kovetkezmenye-legyen#

“We are going to explain why one should not take seriously the crazies of Brussels running amok”

https://888.hu/article-kinek-mi-a-kedvenc-resze-a-magyarorszagi-helyzetrol-szolo-ep-jelentesben

Member

Minister Lazar’s fiefdom, Hódmezővásárhely renamed “Táncsics Mihály” street [= 1848 advocate of freedom of the press] to “Bethlen István” street [= Horthy’s prime minister, who opposed secret and universal suffrage]

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Other changes:

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http://promenad.hu/cikk/tobb-utca-kapott-uj-nevet-hodmezovasarhelyen-177771

Guest

Typical “ghost driver” reaction!
We have this joke in German.
The radio announces: There’s a gost driver on the Autobahn A8, please be careful etc …
The driver laughs and says to his wife:
Crazy guys, it’s not one ghost driver – there are thousands of them!

At leat this shows everybody in Europe what Fidesz is made of …

Member

Result of a May “Zavecz” poll:

Splintered opposition: 28%
Fidesz 25%
Jobbik 12%

No [or other] party preference: 35%

Fidesz in
small towns: 28%
villages: 27%
Budapest: 22%
large towns [county centers]: 16%

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20170518_zavecz_research_fidesz_zuhanas_nagyvarosok

Member

Charge: Mr M caused $35 of damage to M Schmidt’s “House of Terror”

Defense: Mr M threw the paint at the house as an act of political expression.

Verdict: pay $2592 or go to jail for 6 months.

https://444.hu/2017/05/18/720-ezret-kell-fizetnie-mert-10-000-forint-kart-okozott-a-terror-haza-megdobalasaval

Observer
Guest

EU too little too late, but better than nothing.
I wonder how come that those protecting the absolutely corrupt, fascistic simpleton Orbán, don’t realise their act/inaction undermines the EU structure. Read about Nevile Chamberlain?

Guest

If you look here you might see at least part of the reason why the German “Christians” are behind Orbán and Fidesz:
https://bbj.hu/politics/public-scorn-of-hungary-is-foolish-says-orban_133072
Daimler Benz aka Mercedes is doing good business in Hungary (like Audi, Opel, Bosch etc) – so what me worry?

aida
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Neville Chamberlaine is much maligned. He supported Churchill after he was replaced by Winston as PM against the line of abject acceptance by the Halifax faction of German dominance.

He was overly influenced by the determination of the British population to have no more wars in dealing with Hitler. He was not a bad fellow, even if people have been questioning his judgment from time to time. The more recent examination of his part in the events leading up to WW2 on BBC gives a balanced picture but does not ask how he as a leading Tory allowed the Reich to gain such power after 1933. No comparison with EU v Orban

wrfree
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Re: ‘Neville.. ‘Not a bad fellow’

Overall probably not. But I’d suggest his ‘gentility’ predisposed him to possessing a wide eyed and bushy tailed outlook which he used to view his antagonists. He as a relative lamb was not of a disposition to fight cold blooded reptiles.

Observer
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Aida

Right.
I’m using the populst cliche to make it simple. However, the appeasement element and the reluctance to go into a dirty (1938 – bloody) fight is there.

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