Mária Schmidt and Zsolt Bayer on the fate of Europe

Viktor Orbán’s court historian, Mária Schmidt, has written an article that can perhaps be described as something between a book review and an attack on Germans and Germany. The occasion for her piece was the appearance of a new book by Hans-Peter Schwarz, a conservative political scientist and historian, titled Die neue Völkerwanderung nach Europa: Über den Verlust politischer Kontrolle und moralischer Gewissheiten. Due to Schmidt’s cavalier handling of borrowed text, it is hard to tell how much of the article actually reflects the ideas of Schwarz and how much comes from Schmidt’s own view the world. My sense is that Schwarz’s book is only an excuse for Schmidt to espouse her peculiar views on the state of Europe.

In the article, which bears the title “Egg without its shell, country without borders,” Schmidt vents her anger over the elimination of borders within the European Union. For Schmidt, the removal of borders meant “the abandonment of [the countries’] defense capabilities and thus their national security which are indispensable instruments of national sovereignty.” So, she continues, “Schengen soon became popular among tourists and businessmen, and naturally among drug dealers, human traffickers, prostitutes, pimps, and, naturally, international terrorists.” In brief, it was a dangerous experiment which by now cannot be undone and which leads ever more closely toward federalism. So, if I understand her correctly, if it depended on Mária Schmidt, she would dismantle the single market that seeks to guarantee the free movement of goods, capital, services, and people throughout the European Union. Some people in Hungary claim that this is the path Viktor Orbán will argue for in the future.

Schmidt’s venom is also directed against the European Court of Human Rights, which is “the favorite organization of federalists.” In Schmidt’s opinion the ECHR is largely responsible for the European Union’s crisis, mostly because, according to the court, human rights have priority over the defense of the borders, which means that the European Union became defenseless against the invasion of outsiders. In her tirade against the court, she recounts all the decisions that went against Hungary. The court, with the effective assistance of Soros-financed NGOs, will bankrupt Hungary, which is trying its best to save Europe from the migrants.

Schmidt’s hatred of Germans and Germany has no bounds. Germany was responsible for a borderless Europe which, as we already learned, is the source of all the evil that has befallen the European Union. The Germans are unable to get rid of their feelings of guilt associated with the Third Reich and what it entailed, and therefore they “dream of a federal Europe hoping to leave Hitler behind.” But in their eagerness to build a real union “they forget that a new German-led, unified Europe was in fact Hitler’s cherished dream.” Thus, Schmidt accuses today’s German politicians of continuing Hitler’s conquest of Europe by other means. And, she adds, “as we know, the ideology of socialism began its conquest of the world in Germany and socialism both in its national and international version is deeply rooted in German thinking.”

Mária Schmidt, very deep down, must know that the Hungarian government’s treatment of the refugees is unacceptable by any moral standard. She naturally knows what world opinion is of the Orbán government’s treatment of the refugees and its anti-refugee propaganda that poisoned the souls of Hungarians. One way of minimizing this anti-social behavior is to belittle the magnanimity and compassion of others. This is exactly what Schmidt does when she writes that “in 2015 the entire German elite and public fell in love with their own goodness and generosity, with their chancellor in the lead. They enjoyed the perception that they are now on the right side of history and that they are good-hearted, generous people, helping people in need.” Of course, the German people were told that it was time to be generous, and “once the Germans are told what to do, they don’t stop until they reach the bunker.” Once they receive the so-called order “wir schaffen das,” the consequences don’t matter. “A command is a command.”

It seems that it is not only the Germans who mask their “sentimental and romantic” nature with “arrogance and cynicism,” but the Council of Europe also believes that “the most important task is to prevent humans from drowning in the sea! Thus, the priority is not to halt the surging crowds but to save humans.” Can you imagine?

Schmidt spends considerable time on misinformation being spread in the West about Hungary in general and about the Orbán government’s treatment of the refugees in particular. There is nothing new in her arguments about the manipulated media of the West except for one amusing item. Schmidt uses President Trump’s “memorable” sentence–“The fake news media is not my enemy; it is the enemy of the American people”–as an epigraph for her section on “Fake news media.” Quite a literary coup for a man who, according to Philip Roth, is “incapable of expressing or recognizing subtlety or nuance, destitute of all decency, and wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven words that is better called Jerkish than English.” Decrying all the fake news about Hungary and bolstering her defense with Donald Trump’s attack on the media is pretty low. According to the latest Fact Checker’s ongoing database, Trump in 119 days made 586 false and misleading claims. Moreover, as Ruth Marcus says in today’s Washington Post, Schmidt’s idol “is impervious to embarrassment, no matter how blatant his falsehood.” To use the words of a liar to pass judgment on others is a peculiar way of defending one’s alleged truth.

Of course, the hero of Europe is Viktor Orbán, who stopped the flow of migrants who otherwise would have run down Europe. He saved Europe with his brave move of stopping the invaders at the Serbian-Hungarian border. The following picture appeared with the article.

This depiction of the alleged result of migration is the death of Europe as we know it. That brown foot tells it all. Schmidt is very careful, the word “white” nowhere appears in her essay, but Zsolt Bayer, another favorite of Fidesz and Viktor Orbán, is much more outspoken in his essay that appeared in Magyar Idők today. As far as he is concerned, the Europe Hungarians so fervently wanted to belong to during the Kádár regime in fact no longer exists. That Europe was the world of “white people,” but now the Western Europe of old is gone. He recalls the popular German television series Die Schwarzwaldklinik, which depicted life in the Black Forest where one could see beautifully kept lawns, clean streets, elegant cars, villas, and “white people taking care of their problems who were Europeans like us, only much richer, luckier, happier and freer but still familiar.” Hungary will not accept the demands of the European Union in the name of solidarity. The real solidarity means that “when the European white Christian people lose the battle in the defense of their own past, then we–the humiliated, the betrayed and the despised—will welcome them. However, in the meantime, we will not tolerate lecturing and empty threats. Is that clear?” I guess it is.

May 20, 2017
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fugitive
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“So, if I understand her correctly, …….” No Eva you do not understand her correctly. Her article is about the right of the Hungarian (and other European) people to decide whom they want to accept to live in their country and how they want to do it. This article is about that nobody (including Soros and Balogh) has the right to force a Nation to commit cultural, religious, economical, judicial and genetic suicide. I believe that this article is way above your level; therefore it is no surprise that you misunderstood it. What I do not grasp is what business you have in this at all as you are not a Hungarian Citizen, not an expat resident of Hungary, not a Hungarian tax payer that would contribute to the cost of the refugee program. What gives you the right to get involved with the issue and to comment on it at all? I know the “kibicnek semmi sem drága”. Show your concern for the migrant crisis with support rather than criticizing those who hold the bag. Deeds speak louder than rhetoric. My suggestion to make a significant donation to a genuine humanitarian organization (e.g. HIAS) to cover the cost of… Read more »
dos929
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You, ‘Fugitive’, are a miserable person who has no right to insult Eva or any one that has a different opinion from your own. Your words and expressions tell more about your own personality than about the validity of your argument, if one can call it an ‘argument’ at all. People like Scmidt and you are the real danger to Hungarians and to European civilization. The poison you are spreading will eventually kill you and your likes, and not your imagined enemies of Europe. Why don’t you vent your primitive ideas in Bayer’s publications instead of ranting in this respectable blog? And please, do not respond….

fugitive
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Because this is not a respectable blog. It is not a debating forum, as opposing opinions are banned from here. You perhaps have no idea that the operator of this blog captures the metadata of every comment and locks out whomever is not to her liking. I would be more than happy to conduct nice and “friendly debate” with anybody including Eva, but it is not permitted. I am a single issue participant, as I am not committed to any party but a devoted defender of personal freedom and freedom of speed and expression. When somebody steps on these I am in the first line of attack. I will stop disclosing the real nature of Eva as soon as she lifts the ban for everybody. On the invasion of Europe and especially Hungary I am a strong believer of that only residents of Europe and Hungary have the right to get involved because I hate when someone a “más f….val very a csalánt”. Eva has no business in it and should stay six thousand kilometers away from the subject. I cannot care if she runs a smear campaign against OV (which in my opinion she also have not base for)… Read more »
varvara
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I can see it: Hunarian nation of 10 million peole will be obliterated by 1300 refugees

Reality Check
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Genetic suicide assumes genetic purity. There is no such thing. Hungarians and all Europeans are mutts.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/theres-no-such-thing-pure-european-or-anyone-else

What gives her the right to write about Hungary? The internet is an open and free medium for communication. But, perhaps you’d prefer a soviet style approach to communication. You can form your own select politburo that decides who can write what about Hungary.

fugitive
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Addition to http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/05/18/is-it-time-for-viktor-orban-to-choose-sides/ under Persistence:: @tappanch … you are wrong and at the same time you are right. B.S. Eva is afraid of me not the other way around otherwise she would not block me and many others not agreeing with her vitriolic propaganda. But I also am afraid of for a totally different reason: she is spuming poison into the intellectual discussion about Hungary. She is an uninformed bias outsider that has one goal only; destroy the democratically elected government of Hungary without any respect for the will of the people of Hungary. @Alex Kuli … if you cannot understand “How can a blog that is so “ill-fated” and – will end up – “insignificant” (typical liberal way of taking part of a sentence out of content) also “create mayhem?” than you are a good candidate to participate in the discussion here without recognizing that you are serving the interest of a ultra-left-lib fascist dictator who is suppressing the very rights that she is masquerading to be the virtuous defendant of. @Ferenc … no, I am sorry to disappoint you, but this is not the beginning of any new campaign, rather a humble attempt to bring some democracy into… Read more »
Guest

Summary of fugitives verbose comments:
All commenters no matter how infantile should be welcome on Eva*s blog. As the only exception Eva is not entitled to express her opinions here.

Guest

Could you please explain what a “ultra-left-lib fascist dictator” means?

The good news about you:
You serve as a fantastic deterrent example of what’s wrong in Hungary right now!

Istvan
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Believe it or not the idea that Hungarians will be committing “genetic suicide” by allowing refugees into Hungary has been raised within the American Hungarian community, it’s not limited to “Fugitive” by any means. When I have given these believers in the idea of the pure Magyar genetic line the sad scientific reality of the situation I have been told why do I make up such lies, to justify your own corrupted blood line? Are you ashamed you are a korcs, only a few of us remain more or less uncorrupted? But that particular old fascist himself looked interestingly Slavic to my corrupted eyes. No doubt his own DNA needed to be checked. The original Magyar genetic contributions based on all legitimate studies have become very diluted over the centuries due in large part to intermarriage with European tribes. This means that the modern Hungarian people are only somewhat descended from the ancient Magyars whose modernized language is spoken. I have no doubt that tappanch could comment extensively and intelligently on the evolution of the Hungarian language which he seems to have a deep understanding of. One study amongst many on the near total dilution of the Magyar genetic code… Read more »
wrfree
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Interesting article on a truly very complex subject. Won’t be ‘solved’ tomorrow’..😎
Would be great to get filled in on the linguistic/language aspects of the topic. Would love to know how much of the Magyar language say today contains its original words.

Member

Fidesz preparations to cheat in the 2018 election:

fake parties:

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20170519_Az_ugyeszseg_megszuntette_a_2014es_kamupartok_elleni_nyomozasokat

fake voters:

http://hvg.hu/gazdasag/201705_vandorlas_amagyarukran_hataron_kis_nepessegrobbanas_ahazai_oldalon

There are only 5 out 175 járás, where there was natural growth in the population between 2010 and 2015.
(Budakeszi, Dunakeszi, Szigetszentmiklós, Hajdúhadház, Encs)

http://hvg.hu/gazdasag/201703_demografiai_foldrajz_hol_alegkevesebb_a_gyerek

aida
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I certainly would not want to ban “fugitive” from contributing here. Also I would not spend much time trying to read his posts as both the quality of his English and of the content is pretty poor. Rather unexciting stuff, really.
However, his rambling style is reminiscent of Schmidt’s, whose latest outpouring might make her a welcome guest in Downing Street. But she should hurry as Mrs May might not be still there on 9 June.

Member

Schengen “was a dangerous experiment which by now cannot be undone and which leads ever more closely toward federalism.”

Cannot be undone? Given Orban’s penchant for fence-building, it would seem pretty easy for Hungary to leave Schengen, rebuild border stations and redeploy border patrols. Governments have never lost the right to reinstate border checks, as several countries have done during major international events (e.g. soccer championships) or crises (migrants, etc.)

Until recently, Fidesz considered Schengen a benefit. In 2015, Peter Szijjarto even threatened to veto Croatia’s eventual membership in Schengen as revenge for some perceived slight by its leaders.

LwiiH
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I think that France currently has border controls in place demonstrates the ignorance that fugitive is trying to exploit. That people aren’t taught the of the political and treaty structures that they are living in represents a complete failure of the educational system. It allows trolls like fugitive to salt the narrative with false or intentionally misleading information. Hecknows that he won’t convince the regular readers but he might influence the newer or accidental readership. All we can do is note that his post contains false information and move on.

The bigger question I have is what motivates people like fugitive to be stooges for people who have no real interest in them.

Guest

If these idiocies by Schmidt and Bayer (and also by our latest troll fugitive) are for real then there is only one solution:

Hungary should exit the EU pronto!

Why should the EU continue financing the fascist regime of Fidesz?

Re fugitive:
I always find these combinations of words silly and laughable “ultra left lib fascist dictator” applied to Mrs Merkel e g ???

Btw it’s funny: Schmidt is a typical German name …

I wanted to write more but that would spoil my appetite – my wife is just cookingwonderful Hungarian (!) green and white asparagus, we’ll eat it with some new potatoes, ham (also Hunhgarian) – and some Irish butter that we bought in Germany. My wife says Irish butter is much much better than Hungarian butter (and cheaper!) – is she now also anti Hungarian?

PS:
Fugitive the troll – you don’t have to read its idiocies, it’s just a rehash of the old Communist motto:
No meddling in the internal affairs allowed!

aida
Guest

I think Hungarian butter is very expensive but was good last time I tried it. I now buy Italian butter while we still can in London pre Brexit. After that there will no doubt be state issued British butter, British fish, British meat and of course British Beer.
I am roasting a whole duck for lunch and some red cabbage. All British, of course. The wine I pour on the cabbage is however Spanish.

old1956
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The ridiculous trolls in this blog, and the regime supporters in general, are the sad confused supporters of the Russian Active Measures.

They are a cancer of our nation. They keep up the oppressive Gulash Fascism.

Melanie is invited to develop plans for the liberation of Hungary from this illness.

Guest

Sleeping dogs don’t lie.

wrfree
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Re: Zsolt, Maria , fugitive and all who swim on the right..

Er… We can see that they for the future prefer not to put all their ‘eggs in one basket’. The ‘Euro’ omelet will not happen. It’s tojas only for the ‘right’ volk. and something says it is not only tojas that gets scrambled but opposing heads if the pristine ‘ethno-state’ message isn’t accepted.

Below.. Central European realities mimicking acts in nature. As the generations move on we may not have to wonder why some like the black boot along with their version of ‘democracy. Rule by a uniform elite supremacy offered up in a pure Christian revelation. And for sure we are warned to be ‘clear about it’.

‘The eggers destroy all the eggs that are sit upon to force the birds to lay fresh eggs and by robbing them regularly compel them to lay until nature is exhausted and so but few young ones are raised’. John Audobon

wrfree
Guest

Re: Die Schwarzwaldklinik..

The name kind of brought up the scientific Schwarzschild radius. Reminded me of how far beacons of light have dimmed from the country to apparently making it a virtual black hole where light is trapped and cannot escape into the Euro constellation. Arguably we look into a Magyar darkness.

Observer
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For those who know the animals there’s no real need to read this post – we know how a pigsty/den looks and smells like.

The term “historian” still bothers me – the silly but pretentious prophecies of Schmidt e.g. 2008 the imminent end of capitalism, etc are a joke.

Notably these two characters decry and object to everything open/free – movement, press, thinking, borders, business, culture, society, etc.
Fascists par excellence by their own words.

reborn
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As expected in the name of the freedom of speech fugitive has been banned. Now is brother have to pick up the fight for your rights.

reborn
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Now you see Guys and Girls, as I promised in one of my earlier “troll” (could be beneficial if you check the meaning of a word before using it) I brought some live back into this dying blog. It seems to me that one by one commenters start to use arguments rather than throwing labels and profanity (not all of them but it takes time to enlighten some minds) and engage in meaningful debates. I guess Eva should be thankful for this and perhaps will realize that locking me out is not such a great idea.

reborn
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This is a summary reply to all of yours. @ dos929 Beyond what I already expressed here is some addition for you. Forgive me for not taking your psychoanalyzing my character as a base for discussion but if Eva has the right to insult everybody she writes about than it should be mutual without granting her special privileges. Whether the “enemies of Europe” are imagined or real look no further than Paris, Brussels, Nice, etc. Just because you can’t see (or understand) they are embedded into the mess migration and in time people of Europe (which I guess you are not one of) will feel the effect of, they are not the product of any imagination. Thank you for your question about “Why don’t you vent your primitive ideas in Bayer’s publications…” it is simple; he does not advocate opening our borders to the invaders. @varvara I expect you to be more intelligent than believing it for a second that the quota system would stop the number of forced migrant allocation into Hungary at 1300 refugees, therefore the only way to avoid 13,000 or 130,000 or 1,300,000 is to resist the quota system all together. @Reality Check I would argue… Read more »
reborn
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Eva it is time to break down your “fences” and allow the free flow of opinions whatever they may be. That is the essence of REAL DEMOCRACY which you are promoting in words. Follow it up with deeds too!

Eliminate your B list and let everybody to comment or I will keep playing this cat and mouse game until you get tired of it.

Guest

This blog is Eva’s private property. There is no democracy within the boundaries of private property. All decisions are made by the owner. She is in her full right to exclude anybody she chooses without explanation or justification. Excluding agressive and obstructive people may be necessary in extreme cases like yours. Your cat and mouse game doesn’t interest the numerous regular readers and decent commenters. It adds nothing.

reborn
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Jean P Just for your information there is no such thing in the Cyber Place as “private property”. Once it is published anybody can assess it. I understand your reasoning about controlling comments and could agree with it if this site was about how to grow tulips. But it is about the life of a Nation that the blog owner has nothing to do with; therefore her involvements are unjustified, harmful and unqualified. My goal is to make sure that the readers are aware of it as a fact and not as an opinion.

exTor
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You need to grow up, reborn. Did you think that your words were so profound that you had to repeat them twice, lest the readers miss the import of your profundity, splayed in the three-most-recent articles?

Hungarian Spectrum is not a democracy. It is a limited-access forum: belligerent reactionaries are excluded. Civil discourse is encouraged.

Even illiberalism is accepted, as long as it is politely proferred.

MAGYARKOZÓ

reborn
Guest

@ extort I understand your reasoning and could agree with it if this site was about how to grow tulips. But it is about the life of a Nation that the blog owner has nothing to do with; therefore her involvement is unjustified, harmful and unqualified. Thank you for confirming that this is a “controlled” blog rather than a democracy and if you were privy to the history of my involvement you would know that I started with “civil discourse “. Short of OV bashing nothing is accepted on this site. My goal is to make sure that the readers are aware of it as a fact and not as an opinion.

Observer
Guest

“..the life of a Nation….”
– Complete BS – EB/we can discuss anything we want.
– Orban bashing is very popular here and for very solid reasons.
– Fascists complainibg about lack of democracy ?!? C’on, very thick.

Guest

Why do you troll invest so much time in this “dying blog” (your own words)?
As I’ve said before you’re just a deterrent example of what’s wrong in today’s Hungary. Illiberal fascist might be a good description of you and Maria S and many others serving the “Great Leader” O – in reality serving Putin and hids dreams of a new Russia dominated “Eurasian Empire”.

exTor
Guest

There is no worth engaging with the likes of reborn, who says that he is not linked to any party, yet acts as a mouthpiece for Fidesz. The people cohered around Hungarian Spectrum are of necessity antiOrbán; they understand that Éva Balogh is a knowledgeable straightshooter. I myself have learned much from her, as have most of the other readers.

The problems that exist in Hungary in this decade are mostly the result of Viktor Orbán and his ultimately selfserving actions. Most of the Hungarian Spectrum readership knows that things in Magyarország cannot improve until Fidesz has been dispowered. That is the current and necessary orientation of Hungarian Spectrum.

Reading and replying to reborn is a waste, this post excepted.

MAGYARKOZÓ

wrfree
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I concur. Ostensibly the individual would appear to want debate. But I’m not too sure that is the purpose as posted texts are re-interpreted and given back by an ‘editor’ who has other agendas one being an apparent dislike of alternative opinions not towing the ‘main line’ and making sure everbody is er….. ‘Vilagos’ on things.

old1956
Guest

Some Hungarians enjoy to be the intellectual and physical hostages of fascist, oppressive foreign allies.
Why are not all Hungarians equipped to resist the disinformation generated by the active measures agents?

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