CEU: New York State vs. Hungarian legal gobbledygook

It was less than a week ago that I wrote a post in which I included a couple of paragraphs about the state of the “negotiations” between the Hungarian government and the administration of the United States. On May 17 the European Parliament “urged the Hungarian Government to immediately suspend all deadlines in the act amending the National Higher Education Act, to start immediate dialogue with the relevant US authorities in order to guarantee the future operations of the Central European University issuing US-accredited degrees, and to make a public commitment that the university can remain in Budapest as a free institution.”

Today, a week later, the National Higher Education Act is still in force and the Hungarian government has shown no intention of altering the recently adopted law that makes the continued existence of Central European University (CEU) in Budapest impossible. Neither has the Hungarian government gotten in touch with the “relevant US authorities.” As for direct negotiations with the administration of the university, after about a month the government sent a bunch of middle-level bureaucrats who, as it turned out, had no decision-making authority.

It matters not that the United States government made it abundantly clear that the U.S. federal government has no authority to negotiate with a foreign power about educational matters relating to schools and universities. The Hungarian ministry of foreign affairs simply ignored the message and kept insisting that the State Department is ill informed. The Secretary of Education is authorized to conduct negotiations on the fate of Central European University with the Hungarian government. Tamás Menczer, a former sports reporter and now spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, confidently announced that, in the past, the two countries had signed three agreements dealing with education. Buried in the government archives was a 1977 agreement on cultural, educational, scientific and technological cooperation between the two countries. The second was signed in 1998. It dealt with the legal status of the American International School Budapest, which functions under the aegis of the Office of Overseas Schools of the U.S. State Department. The third was from 2007, when the two countries signed an agreement about a committee that would oversee student exchange programs between the two countries. Clearly, these cases have nothing to do with the issue on hand, but that fact didn’t seem to bother the foreign ministry, whose spokesman announced that the ball is still in the United States’ court. The Hungarian government is just waiting for a letter from the secretary of education inviting them for a discussion about Central European University. Kristóf Altusz, an undersecretary in the ministry, claimed that about four weeks ago he “negotiated” with the U.S. government, but his approach was described by the U.S. authorities as “seeking information.” I believe this meant that Altusz was told he was knocking on the wrong door.

The Hungarian government is obviously stalling. If nothing is done, they will wait until CEU’s next academic year is in jeopardy. Students normally apply to universities in the winter, and sometime in the spring the applicants get the much awaited letter about their future. Under the present circumstances, the Hungarian government is playing with the fate of the best university in Hungary. But this is exactly the goal. Not only the ministry of foreign affairs but also the ministry of human resources, which is in charge of education, are waiting for the letter they know full well will not come. Zoltán Balog told Index that “I’m expecting a letter from the madam secretary who is competent to negotiate, which I will probably receive. It will be after [the arrival of the letter] that I will formulate my position concerning the case.”

A day after this encounter, on May 23, the U.S. State Department published a press statement titled “Government of Hungary’s Legislation Impacting Central European University.” The statement read:

The United States again urges the Government of Hungary to suspend implementation of its amended higher education law, which places discriminatory, onerous requirements on U.S.-accredited institutions in Hungary and threatens academic freedom and independence.

The Government of Hungary should engage directly with affected institutions to find a resolution that allows them to continue to function freely and provide greater educational opportunity for the citizens of Hungary and the region.

The U.S. Government has no authority or intention to enter into negotiations on the operation of Central European University or other universities in Hungary.

The Hungarian Foreign Minister’s reaction to this statement was what one would expect from the Orbán government. “It is regrettable,” said Tamás Menczer, that “no assistance comes from the American federal government…. A press release is a far cry from an official diplomatic answer outlining a negotiating agenda.” The Hungarian government is obviously quite prepared to wait for an official diplomatic letter, which will never arrive. So there is an impasse, exactly what the Hungarian government was hoping for. This way they can show the world that they are flexible and ready to negotiate and that the deadlock is entirely the fault of the United States.

The deadlock might have been broken this afternoon when Governor Andrew M. Cuomo of the State of New York announced his readiness to enter into discussions with the Hungarian government. Let me quote the whole statement:

Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced his readiness to enter into discussions with the Hungarian Government to continue the New York State-Government of Hungary relationship that enables the Central European University to operate in Budapest.

The Government of Hungary has recently adopted legislation that would force the closure of CEU. This legislation directly contradicts the 2004 Joint Declaration with the State of New York, which supported CEU’s goal of achieving Hungarian accreditation while maintaining its status as an accredited American institution.

The Government of Hungary has stated publicly that it can only discuss the future of CEU in Hungary with relevant US authorities, which in this case is the State of New York. The Governor welcomes the opportunity to resolve this matter and to initiate discussions with the Hungarian government without delay.

The Central European University in Budapest is a symbol of American-Hungarian cooperation and a world-class graduate university that is chartered by the State of New York. For more than 25 years, this institution has provided tremendous value to Hungary and to its diverse student body representing more than 100 countries.

An agreement to keep CEU in Budapest as a free institution is in everyone’s best interests, and I stand ready to enter into discussions with the Hungarian Government to continue the New York State-Government of Hungary relationship and ensure that the institution remains a treasured resource for students around the world.

This offer at least broke the silence, but I’m not at all sure whether it will break the impasse. At a press conference Michael Ignatieff, rector of Central European University, welcomed Governor Cuomo’s statement and expressed his hope that the Hungarian government will react positively to the New York governor’s willingness to negotiate. Ignatieff reminded his audience that Cuomo’s statement is timely because today is the day when the Hungarian government must answer the European Commission’s official letter on the possible infringement procedure.

Népszava got in touch with both the ministry of foreign affairs and the ministry of human resources about their reaction to Cuomo’s letter, but the paper has received no answer as yet. On the other hand, the government paper Magyar Idők came out the following intriguing couple of sentences: “If the headquarters of a university is in a federal state where the central government is not authorized to enter into binding international agreements, then the issuing of the document must be based on a prior agreement with the central government. These preliminary agreements with the federal government must be concluded within six months after the date of entry into the force of law.” It is such a complicated text that I may have misinterpreted the meaning of these sentences. So, to be safe, here is the original Hungarian text: “… ha az egyetem székhelye egy föderatív államban van, és ott a nemzetközi szerződés kötelező hatályának elismerésére nem a központi kormányzat jogosult, akkor a központi kormánnyal létrejött előzetes megállapodáson kell alapulnia az oklevél kiadásához szükséges nemzetközi szerződésnek. Ezeket az előzetes megállapodásokat a föderatív állam kormányával a törvény hatályba lépését – a kihirdetését követő napot – követő fél éven belül meg kell kötni.”

If my interpretation is correct, the Hungarian government will invoke some arcane (or newly minted) law, imposing a most likely unattainable legal requirement which will extend the agony of Central European University for at least six more months.

May 24, 2017
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sunyilo12
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Hi Eva,

My – layman – interpretation of the quote is that the latest amendment to the Education Law known as Lex Ceu contains this stipulation that is quoted here. Essentially it wants to retroactively enforce additional requirements onto already existing agreements (ie NY State to obtain federal “approval” for an already existing agreement, within six months of the ratification of the CEU law). While this type of lawmaking is typical of NER, it’s unacceptable in international law. So good luck with swimming against the tide for Fidesz here.

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Hungary does not deserve the CEU to operate in Budapest, while the criminals and thieves, masquerading as the Hungarian Government are in Power.

It is the intention of the Fidesz to recreate the Dark Ages in Hungary, so let it be. If the citizens did not, do not and will not stand up for their rights and their children’s future, then they deserve what is coming to them.
The Dark Ages.
Book burning and Russian language education will come soon too.

wrfree
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Re: book burning..

And if things get worse before they get better we might look to the Magyar cinema authority to eventually ban ‘Fahrenheit 451’. No use in giving individuals the idea of memorizing books and the thoughts in them. This could be looking further into a regime which likes to cover all the bases.

LwiiH
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These guys are playing on not only a Hungarian but European ignorance of how the governance of both the US and Canada functions. The effects of the law is already being felt as students are unable to renew their grants and are being forced to continue else where. Corruption aside, these sick Fidesz “leaders” are playing with people lives, livelihoods and damaging their futures.

LwiiH
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I should also add, shame on the EU for standing by and watching it all happen…. Shame on them for continuing to fund these thugs.

petofi
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The only thing that makes sense in the face of continuing EU inaction against Hungarian government malfeasance is…that the Russians are working in the background to protect the Hungaricoes. (Flinging millions of euros here and there does a wonder in effecting one’s will…)

wrfree
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You know it has been constantly said here the current Magyar government has a very idiosyncratic perception of the operation of ‘law’ in its fiefdom. The style is of the medieval with always God on their side. And the manipulation of the ‘law’ just might be the new plague to potentially devastate Europe and its ‘values’. With VO as Kiraly, the assizes meet , confer, deliberate and with all vassals pay homage and offer steady fealty to their king. This would include the manner of ‘lawmaking’ as well. Whichever way the ‘lawful’ winds may blow they are ready to pivot whatever which way and offer the stamp with the ‘red’ seals to their Kiraly who can be seen as a posing and wannabe Charlemagne in the 21st gone bad. Mr. Ignatieff is quite a defender of CEU. He is a fighter who knows the consequences of the fight. It is compelling to hear from him that even if some agreement does manage to go through in negotiations there is the matter of trust in following through. He no doubt is aware of the prevarications and manipulations inherent in the making of laws and communications in the country. We and Mr.… Read more »
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And from experience with the “Fidesz law unmaking” Mr. Ignatieff surely knows as well as us here that Fidesz never gives up – even if they have to take back a law, doesn’t matter whether people protest (like the Sunday closing or the internet tax) or the law is found out to be unconstitutional or it is against EU rules …
They’re always trying to find new ways and means so the next “brilliant” idea can be expected soon even if the current law is changed or revoked.
As I wrote above it might be best to have tabula rasa in Budapest or crudely said:
Take your money and run!
There are lots of places that will take CEU “mit Handkuss” to paraphrase an Austrian expression!

wrfree
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No doubt. Mr. Ignatieff would of course prefer to have CEU’s home right by the Danube. I’d hope he has the measure to control himself if the VO clique in their usual irritable and arrogant way tells him to keep ‘telling his story walkin’ if some understanding cannot be reached. But he may have to understand as to what kind of people and their mind sets he is actually dealing with.

You know scientists now have suggested Mars at one time had an atmosphere conducive to harboring life. It’s suggested events apparently coalesced to cause the atmosphere to slowly dissipate into the ether and eventually gives us a dessicated and arid ‘Red’ planet. An environment completely devoid of life. The orange-red dunes its legacy.

CEU research scientists might want to check on the possibly new ‘Martians’. There are holes in the Magyar atmosphere which are a gold-mine in providing analysis of its slide towards a world of parched orange-red dunes. Magyarorszag in the future: perhaps a red and barren desert.

petofi
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If you may be considering the soul of Hungarians now, I’d say it’s already ‘red and barren’…

dos929
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The appeasement policy by the EU of the past 7 years towards the Orban regime led to the situation where no matter what, this regime will continue it’s tactics of lies, deceptions, re-writing history and making the Orwellian nightmare a reality for the people of Hungary. When is enough is enough? The misery brought and forced upon the Hungarian people by Orban and his cronies is being exported to the rest of Europe by this wicked regime. When the governments of the EU countries will stop the ‘talk-fest’ and really act against this regime? Don’t they understand that the future of Europe is at stake? Don’t they comprehend that just like when the genie was let out of the bottle, once they let Orban to get away with his underhanded ‘peacock dance’ policies they can’t put him back to his place? Whilst Merkel et al were and are worrying about their People’s Party majority within the EU, they are the ones that Orban is dragging down whilst they tolerating him. If this behaviour of the EU leaders towards the Orban regime will continue, then they are digging their own and Europe’s graves as well…

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Dos929
Yes, the EU is a nightmare.

Whilst the US again in 2 sentences very clearly and easy to understand, tells the hungarian government, what they expect, EU folks like Manfred Weber still fancy continuing the peacock dance with Orban, which Weber calls dialogue.

The role of Merkel, for me, is unclear.
I don’t think, she angages much in the EPP affairs concerning Hungary. At least as party leader of CDU she is guilty for not intervening.
But I hope now, after Hungary has stepped over another couple of red lines in addition to the uncountable red lines they already stepped over, that Merkel will support the Art 7 proceedings and after the German elections in September eventually will engage more openly for the rescue of the Eropean Union (if she gets reelected).

petofi
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Russian involvement on the side of Hungary may be the reason why Merkel, who has a lot of business (gas/oil etc.) with Russian, refuses to get involved against Hungary…

Member

Until a few years ago Merkel was mainly interested in the EU for economic reasons (money).
I think it was since Putin started his aggressions against Ukraine, she changed a lot and started to value the EU as political peace project, too and as we know from the refugee crisis she also stands for human rights.
She just doesn’t talk too much concretely. This is called ‘ merkeln’.

Judit
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It is crystal clear for me that the EPP is an accomplice helping Orban finance his building of his and his cronies’ power
and creation of a dictatorship. In such a situation it is easy for Orban to divide the opposition thus paralysing their actions.
This is what defines state capture. What more does the EPP need to understand this absolutely clear situation?
Hence my calling them accomplice and collaborators of the Orban dictatorial regime.

Guest

It seems that the German Vergangenheitsbewältigung was not as thorough as they say.

Guest
It’s all about power … And of course there are also very “conservative” people in the EPP like the German CSU (Weber, Seehofer etc) whose understanding of political values is dangerously near to O’s “Illiberalism”. Those special kind of “Christians” think like Fidesz or the Polish PPI: No equality for the sexes, no abortions, no acceptance of LGBTx – in Bavaria 8the home of the CSU) there’s even a certain (I was tempted to write “high” …) level of xenophobia though Bavaria makes a lot of money from tourists … One of my relatives was a school director in Munich (which luckily for him is rather liberal) and the stories he tells about his relations with the CSU government – they might as well be from an encounter with Orbán! I call these people “Clerical Fascists” – when I was young we had them evrywhere in West Germany, now luckily they are in a minority, but still the Christian parties are full of them! PS: My favourite story about the CSU is their DAISNAID syndrome: Do as I say – not as I do … Most of their leaders which have been/still are against same sex marriage (Waigel, Söder, Seehofer… Read more »
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Wolfi,
Hungary is Kis Russia
and
Bavaria is Kis Hingary.

Member

Orban’s [his government’s] explicit answer: he will not change the anti-CEU law.

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20170525_CEU_torveny_lesopri_a_kormany_az_Europai_Bizottsag_aggalyait

Mr Totalitarian wants to shut down the LAST independent university inside Hungary. Period.

Guest

Besser ein schnelles Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende …

Following this German proverb I think that it really would be better if CEU left Hungary asap for greener pastures – a climate where modern liberal ideas aka open society can flourish (like Vienna or Bratislava – that would be a real thorn in O’s side …) to continue their work and show Hungarian reality.
And then the work on arranging Hungary’s leaving the EU could begin – Fidesz is on its way already – Good riddance!
Though I feel sorry for my Hungarian family …

petofi
Guest

Orban will not shut the EU down: this is all ‘sound and fury signifying nothing’. In time, Orban will illustrate his benevolence by backing down-

kővári
Guest

A dictator is never satisfied. Orban will push ahead with his pet projects unless somebody stops him. The only question is who will that be?

Member

On state television, in the prime time news yesterday:

“Soros is an evil Zionist – American multibillionaire” , quoting Ayatollah Khamenei’s website.

https://444.hu/2017/05/24/uj-szint-a-magyar-kozmedia-az-irani-iszlam-koztarsasag-despotajara-hivatkozva-allitja-azt-hogy-soros-gyorgy-gonosz

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I searched the “khamenei.ir” website for Soros.

There were four references of him.
Three anti-Soros articles actually came directly from the Russian state propaganda website rt.com !

2016-08-15 “Soros hacked, thousands of Open Society Foundations files released online ”

2016-01-31 “China warns George Soros: Don’t go to ‘war’ against our currency ”

2015-12-01 “Prosecutors ban Soros Foundation as ‘threat to Russian national security’ ”

The only non-Russian source Khamenei uses is from “Peter Koenig, an economist and geopolitical analyst”, who defends the Iranian leadership from the CORRUPTION revelations contained in some of the Panama papers, and Soros mentioned perfunctorily.

2016-07-19 “‘Economy of Resistance’ liberates Iran from sanctions”

“In short, the Panama Papers are a farce, if there ever was one.”

Member

http://english.khamenei.ir/news/4024/Economy-of-Resistance-liberates-Iran-from-sanctions-former

Here is the key !! Soros is hated by dictators, because the organizations he supports financially dig up the THIEVERY of these dictators.

petofi
Guest

Soros go to war against the yen?
Laughable.
Soros’ 15 billion would be swallowed without a hiccup
by Chinese monetary power.

Member

You mean the Yuan?

Member

yuan = tügürig (Inner Mongolia) = gor (Tibet) = xelq puli (Uyghuria).

¥ (two strokes) = yuan or yen < 圆 < 圓

The abbreviation 元 is only used for yuan inside China

The original meaning of he Japanese yen, Chinese yuan and Korean won is the same: "round-shaped" from the Spanish [Mexican] silver rounds.

Member

Wow. Next time I’ll just keep my rétes-hole shut.

Member

I did not mean to intimidate you.

$1 = ¥ 111.9 (yen)
$1 = ¥ 6.9 (yuan)

So there is a difference, similarly to forint (Ft), florin (Fl) < fiorino (f)

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘retes’

OT: Just in a culinary mood as I miss greatly the above as well as all the other cakes, pies and pastries made by our family.

Perhaps that’s it in Magyarorszag. Too much rigo jancsi and not enough retes. 😎 Then you got those who’d die for dobos torte.
Can’t satisfy everybody, you know?

If anybody would like to open up a Magyar pastry shop in NYC please try. What’s there is a far cry from calling it ‘like mom used to make’. Don’t even know why they are in business. That’s the taste. The stomach ache comes next when you pay by credit card. 👍

Guest

Even more OT:
Come to Germany and try our Black Forest cake …
It’s better than Sachertorte imho!

Rétes of course is also very nice – soon now my wife will make the first with sour cherries from our own tree here near the Balaton, a friend let us already harvest the early May cherries – yummy!

Member

In Hungary you get Black Forest Cake much better than in Germany all over the place.
It is called Fekete erdö torta.
Hungary is unbeatable in tortas.

Member

Wolfi,
Schwarzwaldtorte;
Keszthely, from Fö ter up into Kossuth Lsjos utca.
The first cafe right hand.

Member

In my former home town Dortmund there was a little place called Cafe Budapest, where you could get Esterhazy, Dobos, Mignons and all that….

petofi
Guest

re: cakes in Budapest

Actually, there is only one good place for dobos torta–that is Gerbeau…because their chocolate filling is special. Others use a much cheaper chocolate.

But, as for the best Hungarian cake–KUGLOFF–no one makes it the way my mother used to any more.

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petofi
Guest

Yes, the Yuan…thank you.

Guest

It doesn’t get any better than this …

Now we’re waiting for evrybody to realise that Hungary and Poland’s current illiberal regimes are no better than Erdogan, Putin or the extreme Muslim states. It’s funny in a way that all these right wing reactionaries have similar ideas – only the god they get their rules from is different …

Member

Another remark:

Of course, Soros is far from being Zionist.

“According to one document, for example, the Arab Regional Office Presidential Portfolio Review, dated August 6, 2015, the Soros network has given $2,688,561 in 14 grants since 2001 to Adalah. A self-described “independent human rights organization” that has been instrumental in accusing Israel of war crimes on numerous occasions in international forums, Adalah has called on governments the world over to sever or downgrade their diplomatic relations with Israel. An additional $1,083,000 in nine grants since 2003 went to I’lam, a Nazareth-based Palestinian media center.”

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/210826/soros-hack-reveals-evidence-of-systemic-anti-israel-bias

petofi
Guest

Well researched, Tappanch.

old1956
Guest

WOW – Tappanch can track down all subjects.

But all roads lead to Moscow. Active Measures.

Obviously, the Soros foundations are in constant conflict with Moscow, but some times surprisingly closely allied with the Russian plots, like in the case of the Middle East.

Member

The mainstream Jewish religious organization MaZsiHiSz condemned the state television for calling Soros an “evil Zionist-American”.

The state news agency MTI was not willing to publish the MaZsiHiSz statement.

https://444.hu/2017/05/25/az-allami-hirugynokseg-nem-hozta-le-a-zsido-hitkozseg-kozlemenyet-mert-az-allami-tevet-kritizaltak

Istvan
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Technically Governor Andrew M. Cuomo has no legal right to enter into government to government discussions with Hungary over CEU. In the United States, a business entity is created under the laws of a particular state and there is no federal law governing business entity formation. So what is being proposed by Cuomo is a commercial discussion over a State of New York chartered entity. It is an offer to arbitrate on the part of the Governor of the State of New York. What follows is a discussion of how these discussions between Hungary and the State of New York are legal but very limited. They are also not a proxy discussion with the United States of America over the fate of CEU in Budapest. Certain commercial organizations formed outside New York may not do business in New York until authorized to do so under that state’s laws. They are called “foreign,” whether formed in another state of the United States or in another country, such organizations include for-profit and not-for-profit corporations, limited liability companies, and limited partnerships. The framers of the US Constitution carved up the power to make treaties so we see in Article II, Section 2 that… Read more »
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Istvan

Your elaborate reasoning is well over the top in this case of primitive chicanery at a gypsy horse trader level.

I wonder what more do the “Christian” pols need to realize/cknowledge that they are acomplces in the greatest corruption scheme in the EU as well as in the establishment of a fascist regime/s in the EU.

Istvan
Guest

Observer to put it simply the State of New York has no right under the US Constitution to trade any horses with Orban over the CEU. They are acting as an arbitrator between a legal entity incorporated in NY and Orban the horse trader.

petofi
Guest

Oh please, Istvan, the whole CEU thing is a typical, gypsy Pava Tanc by Orban to get people to watch as he tries to ‘force’ the great US to take notice of Hungary and Hungarians. The locals lap it up…

bimbi
Guest

OT I am afraid but…
The following web site recounts the tragic rip-off that was the Rio Olympics. The incompetence, the lack of planning, the lack of care, the callous brush-off of the city’s population and above all, the corruption:
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/rios-example-no-city-bid-host-olympics-183332226.html

Was this the model that Viktor Orbán was using for “Budapest 2024” – the icing on the Great Hungarian Olympic corruption rip-off?

Why is this guy still leading the government in Hungary and still stealing?

Member

Bimbi :Why is this guy still leading the government in Hungary and still stealing?

I wrote it already somewhere….
I picked a hitchhiker from Budapest and asked him the question, why the Humgarians elect a government that lies and robs them blind ?

His answer was “They are sheep”.

petofi
Guest

As I’ve stated numerous times before, the Hungarians get back what they most earnestly desire–the allowance to hate others, namely Jews and gypsies (odd, this, because Orban is a gypsy himself). HATE, enabled, is tremendously empowering…ask the Nuremburg crowd–

bimbi
Guest

Where did the Lex CEU come from? It was generated by the pathological hatred of Viktor Orban for what he (Orban) is pleased to see as the Great Satan, George Soros. After that, the steps were easy:
1) Grub through the set-up of the various overseas universities operating in Hungary until we find some difference peculiar only to CEU – and they found the US campus issue.
2) This was a complete irrelevance EXCEPT that it provided the hook whereby George Soros could be poked in the eye.
3) Then enact the new Higher Education law with its demand that CEU cannot fulfill and the job is done – even though CEU had been in full compliance with the law up to that point.
4) Parade the useful idiots like Lajos Kόsa who says that “no one wants to shut down CEU”
5) And so the argument is then on Orban’s terms- “Everyone must be in conformity with the law. We are a law-abiding democracy.”
Hungary is in the hands of a power-hungry, obsessively controlling,
completely corrupt clique. Welcome to Fidesz 2017.

Guest

An interesting question imho:
Why does O hate Soros – the man who made it possible for him to study in England? Did something go wrong there and then? Did O have some kind of bad experience which he connects to Soros?
I mean he should be eternally grateful – or not?

petofi
Guest

Soros is the instrument by which Orban heats up the salivating hatred of Hungarians…

Member

Hungary spends 0.5% of its GDP on the military.
(2010: 1.2%, 2015: 0.5%)

Orban promised today to satisfy Trump’s 2% demand by 2024.

https://444.hu/2017/05/25/orban-megigerte-a-nato-csucson-hogy-magyarorszag-megnegyszerezi-a-katonai-kiadasait

If Hungary spends more on the army, arms race will ensue, because Romania and Slovakia will feel threatened by Hungarian irredentism.

aida
Guest

Thank you for your research.
Why is Hungary in NATO? Freeloading.
Why is Hungary in the EU? Freeloading.
Are they contributing in some other way?
Is it not a country with a toxic mindset?

Guest

OT On the Metro slaves.

At each entrance to the Budapest Metro two elderly men are standing on their feet all day long checking tickets. They may not sit down. The only chance they have to sit down is during their 15 minutes break when they can sit on the toilet.

For God’s sake give them some bar stools.

Istvan
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President Trump today pushed aside Dusko Markovic, the prime minister of Montenegro in order to get to the front of a photo-op standing in front of Markovic and Hungarian PM Orban http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/25/politics/trump-pushes-prime-minister-nato-summit/index.html

Member

Trump positions himself at front of NATO line and Orbump, having just wheedled a mini-audience with Trump, positions himself in the shadow of his Donaldganger…
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHL5wy0RQo&w=854&h=480%5D

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