George Soros and the mafia state: The Hungarian reaction

The Brussels Economic Forum (BEF) recently held its annual conference on economics and finance. BEF is a European Commission- sponsored organization where politicians and scholars deliver lectures, and where panel discussions are normally moderated by journalists. It is a truly international gathering. This year’s keynote speech, delivered by George Soros, created an uproar in Hungarian government circles.

The speech was mostly about the European Union’s precarious position given that it is confronted with powers that “are hostile to what [Europe] stands for”–“Vladimir Putin’s Russia, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s Turkey, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi’s Egypt, and the America that Donald Trump would create if he could.” Soros talked about the need for “both salvation and radical reinvention” of the European Union. He addressed Brexit, the Eurozone, the migration crisis, and the banking crisis in Italy. It was at the very end of his short speech that he talked about the resistance of young people all over Europe and Great Britain against undemocratic right-wing parties and governments. He singled out “the ruling Law and Justice party in Poland, and Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz party in Hungary.” He was most surprised and heartened by the resistance in Hungary to the Orbán government’s attack on Central European University, something he was not expecting. He added: “I admire the courageous way Hungarians have resisted the deception and corruption of the mafia state Orbán has established, and I am encouraged by the European institutions’ energetic response to the challenges emanating from Poland and Hungary. While the path ahead is perilous, I can clearly see in such struggles the prospect of the EU’s revival.”

George Soros had visited Brussels a few weeks ago to confer with EU politicians about the plight of Central European University, but otherwise he had remained silent on the subject. Nonetheless, for months he has been under relentless attack by the Orbán administration, so it was amusing that the first reaction to his speech from members of the Fidesz leadership was that Soros’s comments were a clarion call for war against the Orbán government. As Tamás Deutsch, a Fidesz EP member, put it a few hours after the speech, “if it’s war, let it be war, we are ready.” By the next morning, when Viktor Orbán delivered his Friday morning “interview,” Soros’s critical words about the “mafia state” had become a “declaration of war.” Orbán said that if anything in Hungary can be called “mafia-like,” it is “the Soros-sponsored network of NGOs.” Fidesz filed a complaint with the European Commission, the sponsor of the Brussels Economic Forum. The party is looking for an explanation of how such comments could have been uttered at an event under the aegis of the European Commission.

It has been in the air for some time that certain Fidesz politicians are preparing themselves for renewed anti-government demonstrations sometime in the fall. If trends continue, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if spontaneous or quickly organized demonstrations would take place as soon as students return from their summer vacations. Most likely the Fidesz leaders feel the growing dissatisfaction, and they’re trying to lay the groundwork to counter such events. One way of handling such situations is to blame any kind of anti-governmental movement on a foreign culprit. And, of course, there is no more prominent culprit than George Soros. Antal Rogán, at one of his propaganda campaign stops, indicated that there might come a day when the police will have to use force against the demonstrators, who receive instructions in training camps and who provoke the police. He claimed to know about the existence of such training camps in Hungary. And who is behind these training camps? Naturally, the Soros-financed NGOs.

This nonsense is now being spread far and wide by the government propaganda machine. Ottó Gajdics, the editor-in-chief of Magyar Idők and one of the most primitive Fidesz propagandists, is warning Viktor Orbán to be prepared for “blockades and the occupation of government buildings.” The organizers of the past demonstrations realized that “rallies with music and dance” are not effective enough, and therefore hard-core violent demonstrations might take place. Gajdics’s fear of such a development was reinforced by George Soros’s “message.” Soros said in his speech in Brussels that “it is not enough to rely on the rule of law to defend open societies; [one] must also stand up for what one believes.” As far as Gajdics is concerned, that is a call for revolution.

The editors of Magyar Idők found the idea of a revolution in the fall organized by George Soros so attractive that, in addition to Gajdics’s editorial, the paper published another opinion piece in which the unnamed author foresees a scenario similar to that taking place in Macedonia. Macedonia, in his opinion, “has been ravaged” by George Soros via his NGOs. There the situation has deteriorated to such an extent that a few days ago a would-be assassin fired three shots at an outgoing minister of the Gruevski government. “We can only hope that [what happened in Macedonia] is not the dress rehearsal for the Hungarian elections [because] the expression ‘mafia state’ wasn’t uttered by accident as the crowning moment of the merciless speculator’s speech.”

It is somewhat surprising how enraged the Orbán government is with the label “mafia state” since the term, as readers of Hungarian Spectrum well know, has been in circulation since at least 2013, when Bálint Magyar published the first article in which he used it. The term stuck abroad as well. I found via Google over 1,000 mentions in English of Hungary as a mafia state. In Hungary about a year ago an opinion poll revealed that a majority of Hungarians describe the Orbán regime the same way.

A couple of days ago I saw a headline claiming that the anti-Soros propaganda campaign is not as successful as earlier Fidesz propaganda efforts had been. Well, equaling or surpassing the anti-migrant campaign would be a difficult task, I admit, but the latest Republikon Intézet poll reveals that this particular Fidesz effort is in fact effective. Only 31% of the population think that Soros does not at all or does not seriously intervene in Hungarian domestic politics, while 28% believe that he has considerable influence on Hungarian politics and 12% think that he has some influence on Hungarian politics, with about 20% not willing to take sides. That means that 40% of the adult population more or less bought the anti-Soros propaganda. Of course, Fidesz voters are especially prone (about 70% in this case) to believing whatever the party tells them. For those who understand Hungarian, I highly recommend taking a look at this video where hard-core Fidesz voters tell the journalist what they think of George Soros and Brussels.

The socialist-liberal-Jobbik group is more immune to the government propaganda: only 30% swallow all the horror stories they hear on television or radio or read on the right-wing internet sites. Indeed, it could be worse, but unfortunately propaganda Orbán-style is extremely attractive because it appeals to patriotic or nationalistic impulses, which are hard to combat.

June 3, 2017
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Guest

“……there might come a day when the police will have to use force against the demonstrators…”

I predicted quite some time ago that Orbán will not be satisfied until he has orchestrated a civil war in Hungary. This is what he hopes for and it seems he is doing well with his agenda, as the Fidesz fraternity of criminals and thugs are quoted more and more frequently uttering violent threats.

I wonder, after years of funding such a government, what the EU will do then?

Observer
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The most vigorous reaction of the EU/international community to date will come in the case of violent suppression, which will make the prime time news. (Ridiculous as it is, one burning car or bleeding head gets more media attention and political reaction than a constitutional putsch cum grand robbery involving millions of people and billions of dollars).
While violent suppression would nor objectively serve the regime’s interest, the current threats and conditioning of the public can easily be followed by such actions. The Orban regime has taken counterproductive steps before, e.g. latest the CEU war, and its intolerance and vengefulness is a major factor which can also lead to overreaction beyond the planned terrorizing measures.
On the other side the frustration of the ever more oppressed, muted or muzzled parts of society is likely to lead to more active and radicl actions.
Such are, at least in principle, the dynamics of a dictatorship.

Guest
Are Hungarians really that stupid to believe that Soros stands behind everything? The whole EU and all the NGOs (where people are active because they care – not because they are being paid nicely …) are controlled by just this old man? My wife vacillates between laughter and despair when reading index or 444 … Hey, Fidesz propaganda works even better than Kádár’s propagabda it seems – poor Hungary. The few intelligent people are already on their way out of course. PS: We see similar activities in the USA and even in the civilized coutries of Western Europe – but there it’s mainly a few odd internet sites and of course organisations like the AfD or UKIP, another sign that Fidesz has now joined the rank of the “lunatic alternative fascist extreme right” aka LAFER! I regular have to laugh when reading from US people “It is safe to visit Germany (you can insert any other EU country here) now with all those no go zones and Sharia law? Some sane person answered that the murder rate in the USA is still five times as high as in Germany – go figure … I really hope that Macron and Merkel… Read more »
Observer
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Wolfi

People are stupid and gullible ( I know, I know, PC) everywhere, e.g. they elected Trump, Orban, Kacsinsky, Erdogan, Milosevics, Chavez, Bucaram, Peron, Hitler, etc…
But some are more so than others – the Hungarians have a great propensity to shoot themselves in the foot and to commit suicide, and here they are at it again. Witness the popular syndrome of “God clobbers the Hungarian” (Isten veri a Magyart) , the belief that the Hungarians have suffered the most, that it’s always someone else’s fault, which are all to explain away the self inflicted historical (and individual) failures and disasters.
Hungarians although bordering Austria are a world apart.

Pole
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The Polish people also believe that we are innocent nation “Christ of the nations.” who sufferes the most. Practically every nation in this part of Europe believes in it that others are responsible for our failures.

Observer
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Pole

The Poles have by far a much better claim to national sainthood – from the WW2 calamity through the 17th cen devastation, all the way back to the 14th cen Teutonic order wars (and perhaps earlier tribulations I don’t know of.

Observer
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If Sobieski was a Hungarian, he would have split the Hapsburg possessions with the Turks, Prince Bethlen and Tököly were suggesting similar to the Sultan re Poland.

petofi
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Yes, G-d has clobbered the Hungarians…but they deserve it!

Guest

If it looks like a mafia-duck, swims like a mafia-duck, and quacks like a mafia-duck, then it probably is a mafia-duck.

Guest

A bit OT – but not too much:
My wife just showed me some of today’s facebook entries – it’s Trianon and Greater Hungary all the way, “nice” pictures of Horthy surrounded by soldiers, maps etc, the usual cr*p !
Some acquaintances of her (she doesn’t call them friends anymore …) are pushing it – will the loonies never learn?
It’s been almost a hunded years …
If you would ask a German what he thinks of Versailles, probably 25% would say: it’s a really nice castle, the others would ask:
What’s that? A French wine or a kind of Cognac?

aida
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Poorly educated people, particularly those who are not very bright are easily manipulated. Hungarians have an additional handicap, the isolation of the language and of their culture.
The interviews published by Eva in an earlier post which came from Csepel showed this. These unfortunates were not only ill informed but also inarticulate. Not only do they speak any foreign language but hardly able to speak Hungarian.
Hungary is a very unfortunate country. It will become increasingly depopulated. The rich will continue to strip it of its wealth and drain it away abroad. The bright and the ambitious will continue to leave. If the EU cuts funding of Hungary they will follow the English and leave.

Ferenc
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“additional handicap, the isolation of the language and culture”
Fully agree!
Hungarians, since more than 1000 years, feel themselves surrounded by other people they don’t understand (culture). The others being friendly or not, Hungarians are not able to communicate with them at all (language). This makes Hungarians very inward looking, strongly keeping to and more than admiring their own, so basically “too proud for their own good”.
Of course there are more people in similar language and culture situations (e.g.Fins), but most not living in land-locked countries (i.e.most having a less dangerous sea-side).
PS: will always remember my Polish collegues in Czech, when confronted with Hungarians complaining that they were unable to communicate with them, as their language was like Chinese for them.

Member
Hungarians tend to take this “isolation” idea to ridiculous extremes. Hungarian culture has a lot of similarities to Slav and Germanic cultures from the surrounding countries, mostly because most modern-day Hungarians are descended primarily from these groups. True, Hungarian traditional music is unique, but how many kids do you see listening to csardas or Bartok on their iPhones? Hungarian lacework is very similar to Slavic, many food names (kolbasz, palinka, sonka, etc.) are Slavic, painting is from the Western European schools, Liszt could not speak a word of Hungarian, Szechenyi spoke it as a second language. Hungarian culture has a lot of unique and very impressive features, but is it really so different that it makes Hungarians feel isolated? Language is obviously different. Today, many Hungarians blame their poor ability to speak foreign languages on the fact that their mother tongue is not Indo-European. However, before World War II, Hungarians were world-famous polyglots. My grandfather spoke German well enough to get an engineering degree from a university in Nurnberg. He learned English at the age of 50 when he emigrated to the US. If the idiosyncrasies of Hungarian language is the reason that Hungarians have a tough time mastering foreign… Read more »
Guest

As Alex wrote, this “language isolation” can be a good thing if it motivates or even forces the young ones to learn the language(s) of the surrounding or near powerful countries – look at Scandinavia or Benelux where almost everybody speaks English and/or German.
Of course this is more difficult for Hungarians because their language is unconnected to the others – so only the clever ones or really motivated will learn.
But as the example of our beautician shows that’s possible even if you are no intellectual giant – and as my wife’s example shows you can do it even at an “advanced age”:
She only spoke rudimentary German with her customers in the ladies’ boutique – this is too small, that’s too big, we have that also in another colour etc …
But when we met she learned quickly – without this she would have been helpless in Germany!
And she was already over 60 years when we met
So for young people there should be no problem with “isolation” especially now that the world is connected via the ‘net – if you are willing.

wrfree
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You know maybe ‘isolation’ can have other possible roots? We have to admit that Magyar interpersonal relations have a history going back where it can be hard to communicate when sonebody is quietly whispering stuff in the back of your head..;-)…I think I understood very well when I walked in ‘Kadarland’.

Did I say the wrong thing? What’s the right thing!? Shall I open the door if I hear a knock? Should I pick up the phone? Should I talk to this fellow? What is this guy thinking? Why are they asking me that? What do they want from me? Are they communists? Or socialists even? What if they ask me if I liked Kadar? Or hey even Stalin?? Fill in the questions…

Observer
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Alex K

Add that the second half of 19th cen saw a great INCLUSIVE cultural development in Hun on the foundations of which the liturature, painting, architecture and science reached their heights.
Unfortunately, after WW1 the retrograde politics hit the breaks on this.

Pole
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I have a question do you think that Orban believes that alliance with Russia gives Hungary a chance to take back territories
lost after WW1 ? Of course major european war is needed to fulfill this scenario but war is realistic option if we look how in bad directon world is moving.

Ferenc
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I think OV’s unofficial main goal is making Hungary bigger (territory wise), so regaining some “lost” areas. He (mis)uses the Hungarians living in those areas for his own goal, but in reality cares less for them than for any square km of former Hungarian ground.
Looking to many of his policies, but also to his speeches (he has said things like: “Hungary: the country which, in its current condition, is the size that it is – though of course when we speak about our motherland…” while showing with his hands the size(s) of Hungary), all point into the direction of his, in my opinion, main goal.
Looking then to which other country and it’s leaders might be most supportive to (or at least less against) him, Putin’s Russia is very obvious (remember Crimea), but even China (think Tibet) might be possible also. So being friendly with Putin/Russia makes changes for his unofficial goal bigger.

Ferenc
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And don’t forget 2020 is coming nearer!!

Pole
Guest

Thank you. this is what I have thought about. I remember Orban claim to give more rights Hungarians in Ukraine in 2014 just during Crimea War.

Observer
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Éva, Ferenc

Greedy, provincial, totally immoral, uncultured, etc Orban may be, but not stupid nor that crazy to nurse any territorial ambitions.
Second, If there is anything sacrosanct/taboo in Europe it is the national borders.
Third: unless Russia destroys the Ukraine no country can be pressured to scede anything to Hu.
Fourth: the number of ethnic Huns in the neighbour ing countries is rapidly diminishing, soon any claims will have no leg to stand on. Not that the remaining Huns would support such delusional follies.

The latter are nursed primarily in the small circles of demented irredentists and idiotic ultranationalists.

Member

“Greedy, provincial, totally immoral, uncultured, etc Orban may be, but not stupid nor that crazy to nurse any territorial ambitions.”

I would usually agree with you, but every time I say, “Orban cannot possibly be that stupid…” I am proven wrong.

“If there is anything sacrosanct/taboo in Europe it is the national borders.”

Ask any former Yugoslav for a second opinion.

“Unless Russia destroys the Ukraine no country can be pressured to scede anything to Hu.”

Unless.

Roderick Beck
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Russia is over-extended in the Ukraine. Bogged down would be the appropriate term.

Observer
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Alex K

Yugoslavia was en exception and the fighting parties more or less agreed at the end.
Note that Kosovo, with 90% Albanian population is still not part of Albania.
A dozen other border issues like South Tirol, Finland/Russia, East Prussia, etc are never even mentioned.
The Russia/Ukraine conflict will not go beyond its current status, I believe. Eastern Ukraine may become practically semi independent, but this will not be recognized.

Member

I am afraid I do not share your confidence on Ukraine. As far as Yugoslavia goes, many Serbs and Croats want to partition Bosnia beyond its current divisions (two states within a state plus 10 autonomous cantons). And they talk about a further carve-up openly.
Serbia still claims Kosovo as its own, and it will require a constitutional amendment to change this (in legal terms). That will never happen.
Kosovo is not part of Albania for two reasons: The US doesn’t want a greater Albania for geopolitical reasons, and Kosovars consider Albanians to be soft-headed cousins. Should any of this change, all bets are off.
I would agree that border revision is off the table in more advanced countries, i.e. Austria-Italy.

Guest

Yes, thirty years ago bombs were thrown and other terrorist attacks happened in Alto Adige aka Soth Tyrol – now it’s only a small minority of the usual suspects, the right wingers Jobbik style (fascists imho) who want a return to Austria, everybody else has accepted the situation.
I’ve surely written about this before:
When I went there with my wife she was usually addressed in Italian – when they saw me the waiters/salespeople automatically switched to German – it was really funny, no problem at all. Now they have the best of both worlds – get Italian torists and German/Austrian ones.
And again we have to thank the “horrible” EU for this – open borders …

What I find really crazy and unbelievable almost is that some (should I write many or most?) of those “Greater Hungarians” profit immensely from the German etc guests and their business – and still they want the borders back?

PS:
I have time to write because we fled the sun and the heat (32 Celsius outside) and are now relaxing in our living room with the air condition running – the first time this year. Climate change anyone?

Istvan
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The idea that the Trump administration really cares about a greater Albania is simply beyond conception. The Trump administration also does not care in the least about the occupation of major parts the Ukraine, the U.S. Permanent Representative to the UN Nikki Haley is a complete outlier on this issue. The reason for that is many hard Trump supporters like Steve Bannon are ideologically opposed to the UN, so Haley is simply seen as a placeholder for a useless institution. Lt. Gen. McMaster, Trump’s major national security adviser in an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal following Trump’s trip around the world put it this way: “At every stop in our journey, we delivered a clear message to our friends and partners: Where our interests align, we are open to working together to solve problems and explore opportunities. We let adversaries know that we will not only take their measure, deter conflict through strength, and defend our interests and values, but also look for areas of common interest that allow us to work together. In short, those societies that share our interests will find no friend more steadfast than the United States. Those that choose to challenge our… Read more »
Istvan
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Bringing this back to the topic of Eva’s essay to see some of Mr. Soros’ thinking on the use of military power for economic purposes I would recommend reading this essay by him https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/12/the-bubble-of-american-supremacy/302851/ Of course Mr. Soros does actively support using US military force to prevent or limit genocide which he does not discuss in that essay. He fully supported the use of American arms in the NATO action called Operation Deliberate Force against Serbia over Kosovo. I don’t agree with either Soros or Trump by the way on the bigger issues of using US military force.

Roderick Beck
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So Putin would undertake to deepen his international isolation and encourage more sanctions? I don’t think so. Crimea and the Dunbass is a huge economic drain on Russia whose economy is in terrible shape

Ferenc
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Observer

Just tell me one fact, policy etc. from OV, which undermines his, by me assumed, unofficial main goal

Observer
Guest

Ferenc

You simply have assumed too much, no facts substantiate such far fetched assumptions so far.
After all Orban is a political whore of opportunity, no ideology, no vision. His grab of power and wealth has been incremental, along the line of least resistance – steals a piece, no reaction, so he goes for the next bigger one and so on. Mind you, he and Simicska started this in 1998 and their appetite only grew as the dupes kept doodling along.

Ferenc
Guest

see my comment further down

Pole
Guest

if NATO will fall borders will not be taboo any more at least in this part of Europe. Russia wants whole Ukraine as formally independent protectorate but Putin is realist if he can not retain whole Ukraine under his influence he can divide it with coalition of willing. Russia did the same with Poland in XVIII century.

Roderick Beck
Guest

You are really starting to get ridiculous. Nato will not fall and the Ukraine is a quagmire for Putin. We are getting to that stage where the Hungarians unsheath their unnatural pessimism and begin to bore me. I still remember the claim by many of you that the US will collapse into an authoritarian regime once Trump assumed power.

wrfree
Guest

Re: Tamas Deutsch.. ‘if it’s war let it be war..we are ready’

Sounds like a clarion call Europe heard just on the eve of WWI… some just love stoking the simmering pot of recriminations and obtuseness and bumbling into a bonfire.

And on things ‘European’. Hope she can keep the ‘U’ for the forseeable future. If not we can look at those with the ‘eastern’ persuasion trying to pick each off both within and against themselves. They will never stop.

Soros’ observation on the great challenge ahead fir the EU is probably one of the greatest understatements. If there’s a time to get out from under the malaise it’s now. There’s integrity in there and it needs to continually and forcefully come out in banded leadership.

bimbi
Guest

Right now in Hungary George Soros is described by the Orban government as a “speculator”, which, I guess is true – and good luck to him. Smart guy using his smarts. But if Soros is a “Speculator”, what is Orban?

Orban is a criminal and thief who has amassed a huge fortune for himself and his intimates by STEALING FROM THE HUNGARIAN PEOPLE. Oops, maybe Fidesz supporters don’t quite get that, so I shall repeat it:

Orban is a criminal and thief who has amassed a huge fortune for himself and his intimates by STEALING FROM THE HUNGARIAN PEOPLE.

Orban and his government constantly lie, deceive and distort in order to maintain themselves in power.
So, which one would you rather have leading a government in Hungary? The Speculator who shares his fortune in advancing openness and democracy, or the thief, the cheat and the liar?
No brainer I would have thought.

Ferenc
Guest
I have sensed my suspicion about OV’s goal during my stay in the 2000s in Hungary and now after some 5 years having been dragged into Hungarian matters (thanks to those big blue billboards from last autumn), and seeing developments my suspicions are getting only stronger. Observer didn’t come up with facts, statements, policies etc.undermining my suspicions, so herewith a short list in support of it: 1999: “status law” concerning estimated three-million ethnic Hungarian minorities in neighbouring countries 2004: referendum for dual citizenship for ethnic Hungarians (Fidesz failed because of low voter turnout) 2010: government granted ethnic Hungarians in neighboring countries dual citizenship (aimed at offsetting the harmful effects of the Treaty of Trianon) 2014: speech, with call for autonomy for ethnic Hungarians beyond borders since 2016 referendum: several speeches with texts like “Hungary: the country which, in its current condition, is the size that it is – though of course when we speak about our motherland…” (incl.additional hand movements about it’s size) in general: calling new regulations after popular historical figures (e.g.Szechenyi, Erzsebet) Why that last in the list? I suspect OV aching for to go down in history as a famous Hungarian himself, and seeing anything “anti-Trianon” as… Read more »
Ferenc
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OT
Macron slams RT, Sputnik news as ‘lying propaganda’ at Putin press conference (found through https://444.hu/2017/06/04/az-orosz-propagandamedianak-sem-konnyu):

tappanch
Guest

I gave up trying to log in today.

Orban has destroyed the Dagaly spa for 2 weeks of glory as the dictator-host of the World Swimming Championship 2017.

His new plan is to destroy the Palatinus spa in Margit island in order to build a tennis court from taxpayers’ money.

He hates Budapest, he wants to make it uninhabitable.

https://444.hu/2017/06/04/tizmilliard-forintbol-epitene-teniszkozpontot-a-palatinus-helyere-a-kormany
https://mno.hu/belfold/tizmilliardbol-epulhet-teniszkozpont-a-margitszigeten-2401822

tappanch
Guest

With a previous law, Orban took away Margit island from the opposition district 13. I am sure the Fidesz-friendly Clown Mayor will not oppose Orban’s new object of desire.

wrfree
Guest

And if they have concerts coming the fans will then
get to hear the lovely strains of ‘Back in the US, Back in the US, Back in the USSR’. Life rocks on..;-)…

tappanch
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sunyilo12
Member

Re: Republikon poll,
HVG.hu also posted a report on this with the conclusion that that Soros is influencing Hungarian politics (in their reporting “Hungarian public life”) more likely than not. The most disappointing aspect of this poll and its interpretation was that somehow participation of NGOs in public life, or politics for that matter, is being conceived as something undesirable – whereas it should be the normal state of a democratic society. The saddest fact about Hungarian history is that Hungarian public has been unable to live up to its born rights to control politics/public policies over the last couple of hundreds of years – while self-appointed leaders/aristocats/comrades/mafiosi were given blank cheques to destroy Hungary (Trianon being the most emblematic moment of this, but who knows what kataclysm Orban is leading this country to…).

Guest

I have a riddle for you all:
During cross-examination, ***** told Newman that he smokes marijuana roughly once a year to “monitor its strength.” He apparently finds pot too strong nowadays, and blames this on billionaire George Soros – who funds some marijuana legalization efforts – saying that Soros has “brain damaged a lot of people.”
Who is this?
Answer in a few minutes.

Guest
Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi – re: Rolling Stone article Alex Jones’s madness “blames this on billionaire George Soros – who funds some marijuana legalization efforts – saying that Soros has “brain damaged a lot of people.”
I often wondered about this rumour. Does Soros really supports the legalisation of drugs? How appalling is this! I guess we are about to have the pleasure of driverless cars in Australia/New Zealand. Our road safety will be guaranteed! And all the potheads out there will be able to sit back in their luxury cars while enjoying the pleasure of shortening their lives. God bless technology!

Guest

You’re funny again, latefor!

Even in the USA Marijuana is legal in many states – of course not in Hungary.

But in Hungary Fidesz made a law that allows every adult Hungarian to distill 50 liters of alcohol per year – totally tax free …
Now that makes for a healthy people!

Cheers, crazy sweetie!
PS:
If I were a Tiszta Magyar I would already have had my shot of pálinka this morning …
And your writings often make me think that you’re really a Tiszta Magyar, ain’t it true?

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi,
It’s much easier to identify drunks than “functioning” potheads. Just have a look at our world today! At least you cannot blame the problems on the “Tiszta Magyars” and their “organic” palinka.
And who legalised drugs in the USA? Surely the idea didn’t come from the Amish!?

Guest

I’m sure that where you live just as in the USA many more people are hurt by “legal drugs” than by dope or cocaine or … – most of the deaths are caused by tranquilizers, Z-drugs etc which were supplied via docs. You should read up on wht’s really going on in the world!
And anyway more people are killed by Coca Cola etc than by terrorists and drugs of all kinds …

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Currently, we have an “ice epidemic” in the big cities here (Sydney/ Melbourne). And the psycho users are driving on our roads, jeopardizing our safety. . . but, you must be better informed than we are here. All good. . . No worries, Mate! Perhaps our government should legalize it to make it more accessible to the users . . . That would really satisfy your twisted logic!

Guest

You don’t know the difference between pot and Peevitin aka ice? You really should look it up!
Hey, German Nazis used it and almost won WW2:
It was used extensively by all branches of the combined Wehrmacht armed forces of the Third Reich, and was popular with Luftwaffe pilots in particular, for its performance-enhancing stimulant effects and to induce extended wakefulness.[134][135] Pervitin became colloquially known among the German troops as “Stuka-Tablets” (Stuka-Tabletten) and “Herman-Göring-Pills” (Hermann-Göring-Pillen).
Typical for a silly girl to not differentiate between different drugs – btw you could use it too, ice is prescribed against obesity also …
But I always thought this site was about Hungary and not drug abusers worlwide …

Melanie Zuben
Guest
@Wolfi, Hungarian Spectrum Hey, you abusing dirty old man! Are you talking to me? Are you calling me “obese”? Me, who is proud of my genetically inherited looks?! You don’t like the way I look, huh? Why don’t you and your mate “petofi” go and find a couple of 10 year olds to “break in”, huh? Remember the abuse I’d received on this blog because I stood up for the defenceless underage/young girls (re: incest/child abuse a few months ago)? And YOU and YOUR kind are abusing/name calling ME and everybody else who dares to stand up to you? I can see now, it could’ve been one of your “boys” who hired a drone to spy on me in my bathroom a few weeks ago! But calling me “obese”??? (Ok, I could lose a few pounds) Unbelievable! A woman like me wouldn’t even notice you, you nasty, miserable piece of work! Do you think you are the only ones who can dish it out?? As far as my innocence is concerned re: drugs I’m PROUD that I don’t know any of the drugs you’ve mentioned and I’m proud that I have never ever experimented with any drugs and I never… Read more »
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Religion is opium for the masses – that’s drug use enough …

wrfree
Guest

Loopy loopy loopy do… This alt-right fella sure read ‘1984’ as he’s ‘proud to be a thought-criminal against Big Brother’ . Can you believe this guy????…;-)…And Soros as if he needs more tomatoes thrown at him has Jonesy describing this apparent arch- enemy as a ‘boat of foul spirits’ and a ‘spawn of hell’. And the diatribes and denunciations keep on coming. The Soris harangue book grows day by day!

tappanch
Guest

The gross debt of the central government reached a new high in April (AKK)

2010-04-30: 19.32314
2017-04-30: 26.12474 trillion HUF,

up by 3.5% y/y, up by 35.2% in the last 7 years (AK)

(MNB)

2010-03-31 21.8766
2017-03-31 34.5098 trillion

up by 57.7% in the last 7 years.

Observer
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Bearing in mind the GDP has grown by 12% for the same period (y/y basis KSZH) how has the GGDebt been reduced? My suspicion that it’s Hokus-pokus or unsustainable emaciating of other sectors or both. Unless the Virgin Mary has performed a miracle for us.

https://www.ksh.hu/docs/eng/xstadat/xstadat_annual/i_qpt001.html

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